Session 1 November 2025

[Benjamin]

I had a memory of the first quote but I only found it via the second, so I guess I could say that both of these excerpts popped into my mind recently.

Jul. 17 2022

Q: (The Farmies) What is the "vital force" described by homeopathy? Is the vital force the same as chi? Is chi the flow of electricity?

A: Very close. But mainly the organizing of molecules within the information field.

Sept. 23, 2023

Q: ... (Ryan) In a previous session [July 17th, 2022], you described "chi" as being "mainly the organizing of molecules within the information field." Does the geometry of movement within practises such as Tai Chi and Chi Gong activate a 'flow' of this 'organising principle' in a similar way to the symbols in Reiki?

A: Yes.
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Q: (Ryan) Could sufficient chi flow organise not just the geometry of molecules, but also the subatomic structure of individual atoms, effectively transmuting elements?

A: Yes.

The "organizing of molecules" sounds like what happens when something gets magnetized. And then Ryan's question regarding "subatomic structure of individual atoms" got me thinking about the TDARM and how the atomic structure of the passages in the Pyramid change atomically.

I started thinking that the picture of the Tree of Knowledge/Life might have two meanings combined into one: a technological one and, for lack of a better term, and esoteric one.

The tech idea is that it's an actual device (a TDARM?) that interacts/connects with the Pyramid grid and that the pine cones, purses, watches, etc. are all secondary devices that interact with the Tree in one way or another, attended by 4D STS and their demigod overseers.

The esoteric idea is shamanistic: the staff that represents the spine, the chakras/Rosettes creating magnetic resonance, the pituitary gland that connects to the information field, shamans, sages or priests.

If there are two different versions being shown in the same image, and the pine cone represents a physical device (telescope of sorts?) and the 'pineal gland' then what is the purse? If the pine cone is held up high, could there be something corresponding with the position of the purse being low? Some suggest the purse is a bucket (dalu, banduddu) for carrying water, pollen or for fruit collection. How about 'chi'?

This technological idea has me thinking of today's tech lust. Would it be fair to suggest that reliance on tech is an enslavement of sorts, or is that too simplistic?

As a side note, since the parietal eye is a direct extension of the pineal gland in certain exotherms, I wondered if it was being used as scientific evidence (at least after 1872) to support the idea of the pineal gland in humans being the organ of psychic abilities rather then the pituitary gland? Is it a jump-to-conclusions mistake or wilful diversion?

Hormones secreted from the pituitary gland help to control growth, blood pressure, energy management, all functions of the sex organs, thyroid gland, metabolism, as well as some aspects of pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding, water/salt concentration at the kidneys, temperature regulation, and pain relief.

I thought it was interesting that the C's said the sexual centre ('lake of chi from which to draw water'?, power generator?) is the solar plexus and the pituitary gland closes the circuit in the shape of a crook.

 

[Toni Lorenzo]

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[panoptix]

I started thinking that the picture of the Tree of Knowledge/Life might have two meanings combined into one: a technological one and, for lack of a better term, and esoteric one.

The tech idea is that it's an actual device (a TDARM?) that interacts/connects with the Pyramid grid and that the pine cones, purses, watches, etc. are all secondary devices that interact with the Tree in one way or another, attended by 4D STS and their demigod overseers.

The esoteric idea is shamanistic: the staff that represents the spine, the chakras/Rosettes creating magnetic resonance, the pituitary gland that connects to the information field, shamans, sages or priests.

There are a few hermeneutical connections of the Biblical Tree of Knowledge/Life with others religions. Hinduism has the sacred trees: Ashwath and Vriksha. If you give it a try to Daoism, you will find that the human body has two “inner trees:” The Conception Vase and the Governor Vase.

In Qigong (Chi-Kung: the Discipline of Chi) the body is a network of connections known as “Meridians,” through which the vital energy called “Chi” moves through maintaining the life processes of all of the body's organs and functions. So, the Conception Vase is also known as the Function Channel (the ANS' Parasympathetic system, which can be connected to the Tree of Life) and the latter as the Control Channel (the Sympathetic system or Tree of Knowledge).

Qigong teaches how to route the Chi in a counterclockwise path, against the mechanically dextrorotatory movement predetermined by the biology of the organism, so you can convert Jing in Chi and then Chi in Shen. In fact, Qigong can be connected with Fourth Way subtle Hydrogens and sitting techniques which Gurdjieff, according to Joseph Azize, a priest in the Maronite Catholic Church, could have learned from Mount Athos. There is a two-part MindMatters interview about his book:

Mount Athos technique is also known as Hesychasm and I'd like to recommend you British author Robin Amis famous two works: Holy Hesychia: The Stillness That Knows God and A Different Christianity. If you like the Oriental side, there are two authors I can suggest to you: Gopi Krishna autobiography of his inner awakening (who explicit tells about the chakras and the dangers of Kundalini) and Lu K'uan Yü: Taoist yoga.

 

[axj]

However, wouldn't such a thing depend on how big the object was? As well as how big the object acting on them was? Escape velocity must be a function of speed, mass (size) interacting with gravitational pull

The mass of the escaping object does play role, however in practice it is usually miniscule compared to the mass from which it escapes.

Since the mass of the Sun is magnitudes larger than any of the planets, the escape velocity is practically the same for both a planet like Venus and a small comet (Venus mass is only 0.000245% of the Sun mass). For example, the solar system escape velocity difference between Venus and an average small comet is about 0.0001%.

What does play a big role for escape velocity is the starting location. The closer to the Sun you start, the higher the speed you need to escape the solar system. When starting at 1 AU (Earth orbit) the solar system escape velocity is about 150,000 km/h, while at 20 AU it is only about 33,000 km/h (no matter if it is a planet or a comet or spacecraft).

 

[agirl]

Thank you all involved in new session

 

[seek10]

I am sorry for the late reply to this thread. Thank you for the session.

(seek10) "The War of the Ten Kings" is from the Rigveda, and it is between the Puru clans and other clans. Do the C's mean that "The War of the Ten Kings" is part of the "Athenians vs. Atlanteans" battle on the Indian front?

A: Memory of similar and simultaneous conflicts.

I guess this just before YD event around 10.9 K BCE

Q: (seek10) If so, are the Purus, Atlanteans or Athenians (or Kantek descendants/Aryans) or some combination?

(L) Oh dear... Let me... Are the Purus Atlanteans or Athenians?

A: No

Q: (L) Are they Kantek descendants?

A: Yes

In the context of modern day controversy of "Aryan Invasion vs out of India" theories, I wondered whether we can trace the races back to Atlantean period ( what ever the level it is possible ). It looks, Indians doesn't seem to follow rest of the world's identity camps here too ( Athenians vs Atlanteans).

As per the traditional Indian history, things in India started with Vedas and those are attributed to Aryans, though some ( or very few) mention of Pre Vedic locals as Dravidians. C's were explicit of it by saying Paranthas and Parantha descendants etc. The historians like Vedveer Arya (VA) takes the genealogy to Vedic period (16K to 10K BCE) and divides the kingdoms into lunar and solar dynasties citing later day puranic sources ( most probably after 3000 BCE - Venus's settling period and destructions needed proper representation and that is done in the form of Avatar Doctrine of mainly Vishnu and little bit to shiva, Shakthi ) .

The main hero 'Rama' from Ramayana supposed to be belong to ikshvaku dynasty also tied to Puru's as Per VA. VA places Rama at 6000 BCE . But, as per C's , Rama belong to much older period ( 48K BCE) . I was trying to understand how much these ancient puranic writers knows of the past cataclysms before they wrote - at least at 10,000 ft level mythical level. One can't write things randomly and hope to adopted by the rulers or masses. There has to be some truth in it to sustain it, else controversies consume them. This where large life spans of the Atlantean period becomes interesting. Given that later day life spans were less, if some body has to reconstruct the history, they are forced to pad it with more characters or the story becomes ridiculous.

VA places ikshvaku dynasty under solar dynasty and places Indra & co in Lunar dynasty ( Lot more complicated than 2 divisions). I was convinced that Indra, Rudra etc. are cometary phenomenon, those are representation of waves of cometary observations in the sky. I suspect Hindu cosmology of manu's, manvantara, Rishis as the administrators of manvantara etc. are original representation of streams of cometary phenomenon, but lost to the time, got appropriated by later rulers as ancestors ( these things happen in modern day politics all the time), got mixed up with ancient legends.

(seek10) Can I ask one question related to the previous discussion? The C's said that The Odyssey is from 9,000 BC. Can I ask when the Ramayan was orally created? There are some sources that suggest a date of 6,000 BC. Rama is more like Odysseus. Was the Ramayan also created around that time too?

A: Yes

YD is 10.9 K BCE, few thousand years of 'Age of Floods' ( as per some indian texts) - aka slow melting of north pole extra ice from mars water and comets are still circling around periodically. This is the period 19 million out of 6 billion survived - i.e 99.7 % wiped out. That is the background under which the writer of Ramayan 'Valmiki' composed Ramayan by roping in 48K BCE hero 'Rama' into post-Atlantean period composition. Cayce too mention Rama as a some sort of big character whose period is some sort of milestone though he was not clear of his actions.

In a strange way, the same Rama became central figure of 1990's mandir-masjid political polarization that culminated in the construction of Ram Temple in Ayodhya in 2024.

Q: (seek10) Can they give an exact date? Is it around 6,000 BC or 9,000 BC?

(L) Didn't we ask about that? That there was something, it was about a nuclear war…

(seek10) That is the 48,000 BCE event. That's pretty old. Rama is the main character in the Ramayan. C’s told us that Rama was an Indian high priest under the influence of the Confederation and fought with lizards. At that time, I thought that “fought with lizards” meant he was fighting against psychopathy. C’s also told us that the earliest mutation into psychopathy happened around that time in India. Do the C’s mean real lizards, or lizards manifesting as psychopathy? That is at 48,000 BCE.

Q: (L) Now, tell me what he said. It's not.. I have hearing aids and they really mess up certain frequencies.

(Andromeda) He was saying around 48,000 BC there was a mutation of psychopaths in India. That's where it started. And it was because of the lizard’s influence?

(seek10) Yes.

(Approaching Infinity) So was Rama fighting actual lizards or psychopaths?

(L) Ah!

A: Both In some cases. Keep in mind that lizard beings are 4D and can only interact in 3D under special conditions. This is the reason that so-called "fish gods" came and went from the sea on unusual scheduling demands.

I am not sure how to interpret it. One way to say is Any gods with fish reference is lizard. This assumption itself poses some confusion. For example, Vishnu's Fish Avatar (Matsya Avatar) is clearly "flood of Noah" story and is documented in all cultures across the world. This may not be intended meaning.

I asked AI for fish references in Ramayan given that C's answer is in reference to Rama.

In the Ramayana, the sea monster Surasa attempts to block Hanuman's path while he is traveling to Lanka. She is described as the mother of serpents and speaks to Hanuman, stating that the gods have bestowed him upon her as food. Hanuman, in response, grows to an immense size to enter her mouth and then shrinks to the size of a thumb to pass through safely, after which he emerges unharmed. Surasa, pleased by his devotion and strength, blesses him and allows him to continue his journey. This episode highlights the significance of fish and sea monsters in the narrative, with Surasa being a prominent figure in the Sundara Kanda.

Surasa is a Hindu goddess described as the mother of the Uragas (primordial reptilians) and is prominently featured in the Ramayana, where she tests the strength and intellect of Lord Hanuman on his journey to Lanka in search of Sita. She is one of the 12 daughters of Daksha {mind born son of Creator Brahma} , married to the sage Kashyapa, and is considered the mother of various serpent races, including Vasuki, Takshaka, and Airavata, who reside in Bhogavati. According to some texts, she was born from the wrath of another wife of Kashyapa, Krodhavasha, and has three daughters—Anala, Ruha, and Virudha—whose descendants are also serpents

If the story of Ramayan came through the composition of very later day period ( 9000 BCE), it is hard to know who is lizard in the story. There is all sorts of "races" in the hindu cosmology - Devas (Gods), Danavas (asuras) , Gandharvas (Demi-gods) , Raksasas (demons) , Yaksas (paragods) and Uragas (serpents).

In any case, the story itself has many references to shape shifting characters, , giants, monsters, travels, exotic weapons ( Brahmastra Rama seems to have used to kill Ravana (fictional character) is considered a Nuclear weapon), exotic planes (Pushpaka vimana Rama used to travel back to Ayodhya is considered airplanes or some even consider it as a UFO) etc.

Shape Shifting Characters in Ramayana

Several characters in the Ramayana possess the ability to shape-shift, a power often used for deception and manipulation. The most prominent example is Maricha, Ravana’s brother, who transforms into a golden deer to lure Rama and Lakshmana away from Sita, enabling Ravana to abduct her Another significant figure is Surpanakha, Ravana’s sister, who, like other rakshasas, can assume various forms, including that of a beautiful woman, to pursue her desires The rakshasas as a class are known for their shape-shifting abilities, allowing them to appear as animals, monsters, or even beautiful women, which they use to disrupt rituals and deceive others In a later episode, Mahiravana, Ravana’s son, also uses shape-shifting to infiltrate Rama and Lakshmana’s resting place, disguising himself as Vibhishana to kidnap them and take them to Patala-loka These abilities underscore the theme of illusion and the constant challenge to truth and dharma throughout the epic.