Session 1 November 2025

[Wandering Star]

Upon seeing the following image from your post, which I have cropped, I was reminded of the statue of "the Lady of Elche".

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You see the wheel?

I think it could be a helmet for driving a vehicle or a combat helmet like the ones fighter pilots wear.

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And thanks to this statue we know what the open helmet looked like.

You see the wheel?

The cinema showing the helmets:

 

[Puma]

And thanks to this statue we know what the open helmet looked like.

Helmets and headbands could be very important for handling ancient technology. In the case of El Negro, archaeologists suggest that what surrounds the head is a ceremonial helmet like the one used in the pre-Hispanic ball game. In the stone, you can even see that the "helmet" protects the chin.

Some interpret this as an aviator's or astronaut's helmet.

As a whole, the Negro stone evokes a person falling in a nosedive. It could also possibly be swimming, but no legs are visible, rather a snake-like or fish-like body like Oanes, who also wears a helmet.

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(Approaching Infinity) So was Rama fighting actual lizards or psychopaths?

(L) Ah!

A: Both In some cases. Keep in mind that lizard beings are 4D and can only interact in 3D under special conditions. This is the reason that so-called "fish gods" came and went from the sea on unusual scheduling demands.

 

[seek10]

I think that is a big leap to make. Do we know that undergrounders immortal or do you make the assumption that because he was an undergrounder, then he couldn't have died on the island? Even if Napoleon did not die on the island of Saint Helena, it doesn't follow that the story about the doppelgangers therefore is true.

Given the amount of effort involved in creating, maintaining, controlling undergrounder, their utility to 4d STS is very high - aka Return on Investment as STS works through shortest means achieving their goals. So it is economical to swap the body of the undergrounder with another dispensable human.

Choosing the genes, abducting woman for the conceptions, growing fetus in those liquid chambers with slow heart rate (once a hour) etc. are VERY complicated process.

As we can pull out from C’s sessions w.r.t controlling mechanism 4d STS uses - Nephilim, grays, direct interaction where ever possible, human psychopaths, hybrids whose physical characteristics are distinct from others, deep level punctuators ( human looking), under grounders etc. In terms of historical milestones, Impact rulers had and the program changes.

• Red headed hybrids ( before yd) - with a assumption that 4D STS is in control.
• First Aryan types went underground around 1200 BCE, initially due to comets.
• Nephilim brought in 12k and died out 6k BCE
• Baalbek Nephilim creation experiment - Venus entry period
• Sargon the Akkadian - 2279 BCE died - Post 2200 BCE cataclysms, needs new program
• "Sarah" or Egyptian princess Nefertiti - introduced monotheism based on Zoroastrianism - 1600 BCE
• Alexander the Great influenced by UFOs - is he under grounder too ? - Around 400 BCE
• Rothschilds small level punctuator - around early 19th century , control of British empire and Industrialization
• Napoleon - around early 19th century -
• Epstein -
• Macron?

I am sure there is LOT more over the timelines.

 

[seek10]

You could tick "potential match" with Vishnu's fish avatar. No need to validate it, may keep it on the side as a potential match. then you see if you find fish gods elsewhere or if you find more about Vishnu.

I think there is LOT more to it. There are few words to tie - Rama, early Ramayana Writer "Valmiki", Vishnu ( Vishnu as cometary Venus from Vedas, Sukra as planetary venus from Valmiki's Yoga-Vasistha , Sukra as planetary Venus in current day Hindu cosmology), fish (Matsya), avatar doctrine etc.

Rama : 48K BCE Indian High Priest fought with lizards and psychopathy. Psychopathy is mutational result of Nuclear war at 48K BCE.
Ramayan Writer Valmiki:

• As per C's, Ramayan was initially composed around 9000 BCE where Rama (Hero), Ravana (Villian, fictional (cometary)), but Ravana's entire clan has shape shifting capabilities all over the place).
• Recently, I opened a book named Vasistha- Yoga by Valmiki. A impulsive purchase purchased long back, I never read, probably I was not ready for it. In that what picked my interest is Sukra's endeavors - More or less matches with Vishnu of Vedas ( A mighty distant cousin of Indra).
  • If Valimiki really wrote Vasistha- Yoga by Valmiki around 9000 BCE looking at the distant wanderings of Cometary Venus ( named as Sukra) by naming names that became nuts and bolts of later Hindu cosmology, it all makes sense, but I need to layout timelines.
  • In fact, I looked at some books from Kumara Kundam early days, they too have detailed cometary venus description

Fish References:

From Wiki :

The earliest account of **Matsya is found in the Shatapatha Brahmana, where Matsya is not associated with any particular deity.** The fish-saviour later merges with the identity of Brahma in post-Vedic era, and still later, becomes regarded with Vishnu. The legends associated with Matsya expand, evolve, and vary in Hindu texts. These legends have embedded symbolism, where a small fish with Manu's protection grows to become a big fish, and the fish saves the man who would be the progenitor of the next race of mankind.[4] In later versions, Matsya slays a demon named Hayagriva who steals the Vedas, and thus is lauded as the saviour of the scriptures.[5]

Remember Shatapatha Brahmana is post Vedic making sense ritual work of Vedas. if Vedas writing ended with YD ( 10.9 K BCE), collection, packaging and other standardization happened AFTER 6249 BCE Aryan invasion by archaic Sanskrit speaking Aryan brahmin priests.

I asked Grok - What is the story line of matsya in satapata brahmana

It appears in Shatapatha Brahmana 1.8.1 (in the context of the Prāyaṇīya and Udāyanīya rituals, but the myth is narrated as an explanatory tale).

Summary of the Matsya story in Shatapatha Brahmana:​

1. Manu finds a tiny fish
   One morning, while the sage Manu (the progenitor of mankind) was performing his ablutions and offering water (tarpana), a small fish came into his hands along with the water. The fish spoke to him and said:
   “Protect me, and I will save you in the future.”
2. The fish asks for protection and grows rapidly
   Manu placed the fish in a jar (kamaṇḍalu). But in a single night it grew so large that the jar could no longer contain it. The fish then asked Manu to put it in a larger pit. Manu kept transferring it to bigger and bigger water bodies—a ditch, a pond, a lake, a river, and finally the ocean—as the fish kept outgrowing each container in an astonishingly short time.
3. The fish reveals the coming flood
   Once in the ocean, the fish (now enormous) revealed its true nature and warned Manu:
   “In seven days, a great deluge (pralaya) will destroy all living beings. Build a boat. When the flood comes, I will come to you. Tie the boat to my horn with a rope.”
   The fish had a prominent horn on its head.
4. Manu prepares and the flood comes
   Manu collected all kinds of seeds (bīja – representing plants, animals, and the essence of life) and built a large boat. When the deluge arrived, the oceans overflowed, rains poured endlessly, and all land was submerged.
5. The fish saves Manu
   The giant fish appeared. Manu tied the rope (made from a serpent, according to some interpretations) to the horn of the fish. The Matsya towed the boat through the raging waters, over the northern mountain (identified as the Himālaya or specifically the “Northern Mountain” – Himavanta or Naubandhana), until the flood subsided.
6. The boat rests on the mountain
   The fish guided the boat to a peak called Naubandhana (“the binding of the ship”). The boat was fastened there. As the waters receded gradually, Manu descended along with them.
7. Manu becomes the sole progenitor
   Because all other humans had perished, Manu was left alone. He performed intense austerities and sacrifices, desiring offspring. From his offerings arose a woman named Idā (or Ilā), who became his daughter/wife. Through her, Manu became the ancestor of all future humanity.

Key differences from the later Puranic version:​

• The fish is not explicitly identified as Vishnu in the Shatapatha Brahmana (though later tradition identifies it as Vishnu’s Matsya avatar). It is simply a divine fish, sometimes linked to Prajāpati or Brahmā.
• There are no Asuras (Hayagrīva stealing the Vedas, etc.) – the flood is a natural cosmic deluge.
• The emphasis is more on the ritual and sacrificial aspect: Manu’s survival enables the continuation of yajña (sacrifice), which sustains the cosmos.
• The rope is not always specified as Vāsuki; the mountain is called Naubandhana rather than Malaya or Himālaya in some Puranic versions.

This version in the Shatapatha Brahmana (c. 8th–6th century BCE) is widely regarded as the oldest fully developed flood myth featuring a fish-savior in world literature, and it shows striking parallels with Mesopotamian flood stories (Atrahasis, Utnapishtim, and ultimately Noah), though the Indian version has its own distinct theological flavor.

So in essence:
A tiny fish asks Manu for protection → grows miraculously → warns of a cosmic flood → tows Manu’s boat to safety on a mountain peak → Manu repopulates the earth. This is the core Matsya legend as told in the Shatapatha Brahmana.

Is this thing that grew bigger and bigger is Venus or Mars? If Mars is the one that came nearer and nearer to earth and dumped the waters, then it has to be Mars.
The thing that has horn- If it is Mars, it doesn't have horn by default, but the dumping stream of water can also be seen as stream or horn.
Given that Matsya gave 7 days warning, I was leaning towards Cometary Venus as Matsya - dragging mars into earthly interaction and water dump. so What i mean to say Matsya is the cometary venus in the flood of Noah event, where Mars dumped water on earth.

This is my thought process to reconcile what C's said w.r.t myths.

I am having hard times understanding "came and went from the sea on unusual scheduling demands" - but this is very precise:

• Look for a fish[-god]/person
• Must come from the sea - or go to the sea. Simple motion.
• An unusual schedule / "unusual scheduling demands"

If the lizards cannot remain in 3D for too long (cf the Men in black), they would appear and disappear, quite quickly. Their appearing would be "odd":

Fair enough. I think we need to gather all fish references all over the world and compare story lines for urgencies ( or unusual schedules)

"And Rama, while he approached the shore, noticed that old man ...". Kind of "an apparition". Out of nowhere.

I am not sure of the source of the text you mentioned. But, Ramayan has LOT more shape shifting phenomenon than Mahabharat. So allegories to 48 K BCE Rama event is a better fit.

Grabbing all pdfs of all Indian texts, starting a search on the folder for "fish" - and see if anything comes out? You keep when it's a mention of "fish headed". If you find anything, you can then refine Vishnu's fish avatar and determine if it's the same.

Probably, I will have to do it later for few reasons. There are SO many layers of interpretations made by so many people over long time, it is time consuming. The main point I am trying to say if some body wrote it , doesn't mean it is correct. I prefer to map it against comet angle.

Does the Vishnu fish avatar appear in unusual circumstances? I had a look at the wiki but I need to mold my mind and factor in all the names etc to really understand the circumstances of his apparition. From what I see, he pops up and saves Manu. Would be about the exact moment where Vishnu pops up. "Vishnu appeared to the fellow human, in the form of a fish, and appeared from behind of a rock". That would match. "Unusual scheduling" matching the Men in Black thing - "just popping up".

My line of thinking is rather simple. Some body wrote it means , there is a motivation and masses bought it means they saw some thing, resonated with it, took it forward with patronage. Sky is easy fit for it all.

The necessity of Vishnu and avatars came after Cometary Venus settled in the orbit in 3rd millennium BCE. So they have to fit in all the old stories from different new books ( Puranas and modifications of old epics Ramayana and Mahabharata ) and fit in to Avatar doctrines of different deities - Vishnu, Siva , Shakti etc.

Any thing that which shows that Vishnu cannot stay too long? "And Vishnu had to take care of additional things, in the ether..."

Please let us know the source of the text or context.

 

[halogenlight02]

Thanks for sharing the session.

Interesting. In fact, the predominant Chinese and Asian culture is a Confucian Marxist culture, with capitalist elements (in line with the various transitions predicted by Marx. ah, I'm not defending Marxism). The price to pay for these elements, in terms of psychopathy, is to be assessed, which is why in other threads I have wondered whether the remarkably low rate of psychopathy assigned to China in the past by CS is still relevant today. Considering the explosion of the entertainment system within and outside China and Asia in relatively recent times, an explosion of evil and luxury slaves is undoubtedly possible, as are the tragedies associated with it. This is one side of the coin. On the other hand, the decadent Western empire is being challenged at the heart of its own propaganda (entertainment) strategy and is taking advantage of this to reaffirm itself (misery loves company), with algorithmic hype totally aimed at magnification. Maintaining an anthropological approach, which is inevitable if one wants to retain a shred of sobriety, all this has nothing to do with darkness linked to Daoism. Ihmo.

Huh???

 

[palestine]

urgencies

This makes sense thank you. The French translation uses "schedule" - calendar. But urgency / emergency tells much about the meaning of the word (not even sure that this is what C meant!)

I am not sure of the source of the text you mentioned.

I invented it, so as to show you that in the Indian texts, you may be able to find out "a guy" (fictional example!) definitely "popping up out of nowhere". You would have to just read texts, where there are fish-people, and see if their apparition is not a bit too exaggerated / too odd / strange / etc.

You know: let's look at the Odyssey, there are a lot of those kind of things. "And there, as Odysseus approached the mound, he figured out that a nymph was sitting there, and etc etc". This kind of thing. A literary process portraying a character popping out of nowhere.

Ramayan has LOT more shape shifting phenomenon than Mahabharat.

This makes the gathering of data complicated, if you end up with tons of fish-people.

Probably, I will have to do it later for few reasons. There are SO many layers of interpretations made by so many people over long time, it is time consuming. The main point I am trying to say if some body wrote it , doesn't mean it is correct. I prefer to map it against comet angle.

Seeing you digging your way into this whole Indian thing, I can only encourage you to listen to yourself, do your best and explore the avenues that you believe are worth exploring.

My line of thinking is rather simple. Some body wrote it means , there is a motivation and masses bought it means they saw some thing, resonated with it, took it forward with patronage. Sky is easy fit for it all.

Let me be a devil's advocate: yes, Vishnu, as you explain it, is multiple, important, very "various", immensely strange, very odd - and "it's a fish-god"!

If I had to bet money on the fact that Vishnu is a fish-god, according to what the C's said: I wouldn't.

I would say: "yeah it looks like, and there is a lot around this". "But I am not sure - I cannot be sure, this requires deeper digging".

You are right, in the sense that "somebody wrote it". There is a motivation, and "Vishnu" has been conditioning thousands and billions of people.

But with this consideration, what you got is:

- Vishnu had a big influence
- "Vishnu-fish god"
- C's speak of fish-gods

Well... It's close... Very close... "All indicates that this is it".

But, technically, according to the rules of logic, I would see that one cannot "make the link", with it.

It's looks very obvious, and to you it's even like "the nose on the face", etc. I would suggest than to keep a buffer here, as a matter of strategy. If your assessment is correct, pieces of the puzzle will naturally fall into their places, according to your idea.

Because if that's a "all indicates that this is it", you must watch out.

Please let us know the source of the text or context.

I invented it again! Fictional example.

In a text, where a lizard would come by, temporarily, there may be a hint, in the text, of "a hurry to leave". I suggest that the writings could be mentioning a fish-person, saying: "...now that I have fulfilled my work, I need to go to other horizons..."

You see? Cannot stay too long, because of the density mismatch etc etc

If the case, how would this be translating? It could be that if you find a fish-god, a very slight mention of "me-need-to-go" could be present..

Good luck in your work, you seem to have many different leads to explore and that things are starting to make sense.

 

[SasaM]

I invented it,

I invented it again!

You might consider not doing that.
And if you really have to go down that lane, it would be considerate to others here who extend their time and energy in reading your writings and responding to them, to let them know you went on an "inventing" tour again.
FWIW.