Session 1 November 2025

[Benjamin]

A question that probably needs to be asked is: are those actually purses?
Because, while many of the stone cravings do look like purses, some of them are so oval that they look more like portable gongs. And gong means sound.

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And this one in particular reminds me of those modern doctor's bag, which are rather large and can have all sorts of medical equipment in them. It wouldn't be far-fetched if the original "purses" also were large, to carry several rather sizeable devices, but artistic interpretation caused them to be downsized them over time. And thus, evolution into purses.

I think the 'sound' idea is interesting. Thanks taratai.

I think the word purse was used to identify these gadgets because of its shape/form and what we are familiar with nowadays making them look very similar. I don’t think they were purses as we know them today, but maybe they were just boxes made of something or covering something, with a hang.

So, all people would see was the 'cloth' or 'veil', as it were. Also interesting.

If you look closely at the 'purses' held by the Apkallu, you can actually see some kind of connector between the handle and the body, like an eye-hook or something, as if to say the body of the purse could 'swing' from side-to-side.

I agree that the idea that these are actual purses, as we know a purse today, is ridiculous. Imo, at the very least these are reproductions from memories. There's no guarantee that the original devices, whatever they were, even looked like that. At best, what I can think of, is a purse, pail, bag, bucket is a type of container, and so that's the closest item that people could associate the actual device with. These objects are designed to hold items; "water, pollen, fruit," etc. Incidentally, a 'purse' is wholly tied to money, which equals power in our society; pollen and fruit: reproduction and agriculture; water: practically everything, chi, life. These refillable items are used to hold other items usually to transport them from one place to another. This is why I'm thinking it was a rechargeable device.

I couldn't say if the purse could actually be opened with stuff being placed inside. Maybe the device was the thing that did the opening?

Perhaps the original devices were actually made out of rock, idk, or spaceman suit cloth, or the same material that their ships were made out of, or the same material the pyramids were made out of - synthetic crystal?

 

[MJF]

Well in the video below, David Miano, a professor of ancient history, has it all sussed out. Apparently, the purses or handbags seen in the Assyrian carvings were actually just buckets for carrying water. So I guess the C's had it all wrong .​

See:

Why would the Apkallu deities (or Assyrian wise sages) be carrying buckets you may ask. This seems to be somewhat a menial task for such exalted beings you would think. Well, Professor Miano believes they were using the water carried in them to pollinate the Assyrian sacred date palm tree to ward off evil. Hmmm.

I also think he is wrong about the Assyrian tree of life, since I would suggest that there is indeed a link with the Jewish tree of life known as the 'Sephiroth'. The Jewish culture and philosophy did not come out of nowhere and it is highly likely that their Semitic ancestors hailed from Assyria and the even earlier kingdom of Akkad, a kingdom that had once been ruled over by the undergrounder Sargon the Great. Afterall, the C's suggested that the Jewish notion of the Exodus, as depicted in the Hebrew Bible, drew on an inherited folk memory of their Semitic forefathers having being slaves or underdogs in Mesopotamia or Sumeria. What other memories or concepts could they have inherited from their Semitic forebears?

What I do note though is that in the images of the Apkallu (Lizzies anyone?) and other beings carrying these purses (sorry I meant buckets ), they all seem to be wearing on their wrists what appears to be something like a modern day wrist watch. These could, of course, have been just decorative bracelets or bands but I wonder if they could possibly have represented some kind of technology that might have even been connected to the directed energy power source held within the purses.​

 

[Benjamin]

What I do note though is that in the images of the Apkallu (Lizzies anyone?) and other beings carrying these purses (sorry I meant buckets ), they all seem to be wearing on their wrists what appears to be something like a modern day wrist watch. These could, of course, have been just decorative bracelets or bands but I wonder if they could possibly have represented some kind of technology that might have even been connected to the directed energy power source held within the purses.​

No conclusions yet, but we've started discussing these points already in this thread. There are some posts previously but I bring in the Apkallu starting here. Ruth and Jeep start discussing the wrist band here with Gaby's response here. So, some form of interaction with the 'purses' and 'tree' is a possibility.

 

[Bernardo GA]

If you look closely at the 'purses' held by the Apkallu, you can actually see some kind of connector between the handle and the body, like an eye-hook or something, as if to say the body of the purse could 'swing' from side-to-side.

I agree that the idea that these are actual purses, as we know a purse today, is ridiculous. Imo, at the very least these are reproductions from memories. There's no guarantee that the original devices, whatever they were, even looked like that. At best, what I can think of, is a purse, pail, bag, bucket is a type of container, and so that's the closest item that people could associate the actual device with. These objects are designed to hold items; "water, pollen, fruit," etc. Incidentally, a 'purse' is wholly tied to money, which equals power in our society; pollen and fruit: reproduction and agriculture; water: practically everything, chi, life. These refillable items are used to hold other items usually to transport them from one place to another. This is why I'm thinking it was a rechargeable device.

Yes. And a car battery is also a storage device, container, receptacle. It is filled with electrical energy and becomes a source of energy to move something and do things.

The bag-shaped devices depicted in these bas-reliefs seem to me to be quite similar to a car battery.
Apart from the differences in the type of energy they use, there may be similarities in both cases.

For example, a car battery has two terminals, positive and negative.
And in the case of the guys holding the “bags,” they do so directly with one hand (without insulated gloves). Not only that. In some cases, these guys are barefoot, and in other cases, they are wearing shoes, that is, they are not grounded.
It occurs to me that depending on what they are doing, in some cases they need their own body to be like a grounding wire, and in other cases they need the ground to be their own body.
I'm just speculating.

From what I understand, electromagnetism is the energy they handle in this activity. That's why I'm not surprised that thought is what directs this energy in a specific direction, for a specific purpose.

If we consider that in 4D, physical matter is manipulated directly through thought, perhaps it is not unreasonable to think that in 3D, they can do similar things.
I believe the key may lie in balancing gravity.
The fact that stone spheres are gravity balancers caught my attention.
Perhaps balancing gravity in a certain area allows them to direct energy with their thoughts, manipulating matter within that area.
Something like a small, momentary 4D zone, but within 3D.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

 

[axj]

From what I understand, electromagnetism is the energy they handle in this activity. That's why I'm not surprised that thought is what directs this energy in a specific direction, for a specific purpose.

Sounds reasonable. If the "purses" are for energy storage, it makes sense that the cone in the other hand receives this energy to be directed somewhere. The watches may be for setting the frequency or something like that.

 

[N1mTzo]

What I do note though is that in the images of the Apkallu (Lizzies anyone?) and other beings carrying these purses (sorry I meant buckets ), they all seem to be wearing on their wrists what appears to be something like a modern day wrist watch. These could, of course, have been just decorative bracelets or bands but I wonder if they could possibly have represented some kind of technology that might have even been connected to the directed energy power source held within the purses.

I read somewhere that the "watches" on the Anunnaki's hands (sometimes depicted on BOTH) were chronographs, useful for time travel, among other things. It was important for them to keep track of precise periods of time.
I didn't attach much importance to this theory until I recently read about the SERPO project - Planetary objects proposed in religion, astrology, ufology and pseudoscience - Wikipedia
We won't speculate on the veracity of this project; what's interesting is something else.
According to the diaries of the experiment participants, their main problem was the inability to keep track of time on a planet other than Earth. This was a long time ago, in 1965, when human technology wasn't as advanced as it is today.
So, the planet SERPO was located in Zeta Reticuli, in a solar system with TWO suns. And because of this, there was no day/night cycle (and you couldn't even tell the approximate time; you didn't know the rotational periods of any of the suns). Gravity on the planet was slightly different from Earth's, so the American military's mechanical wristwatches worked poorly. They also had an atomic clock with a battery, but after two or three years, the battery broke and they couldn't fix it. After that, real hell began, since people are accustomed to living by the clock.
And what about the Gray Sights (or rather, EBEN)? It seems they never used wristwatches on their planet. Instead, they built "solar towers" (in cities and towns) that tracked the position of one sun relative to the other. Eventually, people also switched to this system (solar towers) due to the impossibility of using human clocks (or navigating the day/night cycle).

 

[MJF]

Something to be taken into consideration by the peeps that comets can also be inter-dimensional i.e they can instantly appear in our Solar system out of nowhere and leave us with very little notice. C's have touched on this indirectly in some of the oldest sessions that part of the comet cluster is in another realm. See below for relevance.

Session 23 March 1996​

I did ask a more direct question in an earlier session with the above in mind and it was more or less confirmed that these can come from anywhere without any notice and our 3D tech is not good enough to detect it.

Session 18 December 2021


Just think that even with the hidden tech that the PTB is possessing, its not good enough to tell them the location of all the comets which could potentially hit because some of them are not in our realm.

C's did allude to how they can arrange a comet hit which means that when a decision is made at a higher level for balancing purposes, a comet can be nudged to cross into our realm. Perhaps another of those Quorum activities.

Session 23 March 2013​

But, where will it hit?
There is a clue in the below excerpt from the same session as above.

Session 23 March 2013​

Think of the current parts of the world where ignorance rules and things have gone so pear shaped that we may be wishing for the comets to rain down everyday i.e the western bloc of nations. But, even the Islamic nations in the middle east and Indian population are so much orthogonal to the truth due to their religions and associated practices that they are also a prime candidate for a direct hit due to the negativity and need for a cleansing. FWIW!

The thought that comet, asteroid or meteorite strikes on Earth may synchronise with times of intense human conflict (e.g. the Trojan War, the major conflicts in Europe in the 17th century etc.) made me think about the largest known meteorite crater found on Earth, which is the Barringer Crater, an impact crater about 37 miles (60 km) east of Flagstaff, Arizona. It is about 3,900 ft (1,200 m) in diameter, some 560 ft (170 m) deep, and is surrounded by a rim that rises 148 ft (45 m) above the surrounding plains. The centre of the crater is filled with 690–790 ft (210–240 m) of rubble lying above crater bedrock. Using the C's description, this strike must have been a real "doozie". Scientists estimate that the asteroid or meteorite that created the crater was approximately 160 ft (50 m) in diameter.

See: Meteor Crater - Wikipedia

What grabbed my attention though is that the scientists believe the crater was created about 50,000 years ago during the Pleistocene epoch. Very few remaining craters are visible on Earth, since many have been erased by erosive geological processes. The relatively young age of the Barringer Crater, paired with the dry Arizona climate, has allowed the crater to remain comparatively unchanged since its formation.

Mainstream historians and archaeologists would have us believe that at the time this impact crater was formed humans were simple cavemen and hunter gatherers. However, the C's have suggested that during this period the Atlantean civilisation was at its height with large colonies on the Moon and Mars (and possibly other planetary bodies or moons in the Solar System too). Moreover, they have said that there was a war going on between the Celts and the Parathanas in India during this period, which may subsequently have spread to Mars as well, since there are signs of nuclear detonations on Mars, particularly in the Cydonia region (where the infamous Face on Mars is located) according to NASA scientist John Brandenburger - see: john brandenburg mars nuclear explosion - Search Videos
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Session 25 February 2023:
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(seek10) The C's mentioned that Hindu god Rama was a high priest influenced by the Confederation. What is his time period?

A: 50k years ago

Q: (seek10) What is the evil he fought against?

A: Lizards.

Q: (seek10) Is "Ravana" a fictional character based on cometary activity?

A: Yes

[...]

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Q: (seek10) The C's said that 50k years back, there was a war between Kantekkians and the Paranthas. Does the Rama play into that picture? Was it before or after the war?

A: After.

Q: (Ursus Minor) When did the Atlanteans start building pyramids on Mars?

A: Also about 50k years ago.

The C's subsequently confirmed that it was this war that led to the extinction of the Paranthas:

Session 13 January 2024:

Q: (seek10) What is the destruction event and approximate year that made the Paranthas go extinct?

A: 50KYA War.

Q: (Joe) A war 50,000 years ago.

If the scientists are correct about the formation of the Barringer Crater being the result of a meteorite impact 50,000 years ago, then this would put it in the same ball park as the war between the Kantekkians/Celts and the Paranthas and the construction of the pyramids on Mars, which seem to have become the targets for a nuclear attack.

So, did this massive meteorite impact in Arizona coincide with the war between the Kantekkians/Celts and the Paranthas and, if so, did it play any part in their extinction, depending on where they had been located of course. An asteroid or meteorite impact like this would have put out a huge amount of kinetic energy equivalent to a large nuclear weapon detonating. Indeed, the impact energy has been estimated at 10 megatons TNT. There may have been secondary impacts too, as pieces of the meteorite undoubtedly broke off prior to the main impact. Could this impactor have even been the basis of Ravana (meaning "roaring"), the ten-headed demon king of Lanka in the ancient Hindu epic Ramayana?

What strikes me about this though is that despite the Atlanteans advanced technology (supposedly vastly in advance of our own according to the C's), they were not able to protect the Earth against this impactor. If they were unable to stop such an impactor getting through, what chance do we have? Finally, is it possible that the Quorum arranged this strike?​

 

[Mark7]

I asked Deepseek for an even more simple explanation of the electromagnetic interaction affecting the brown dwarf's orbit:

The Cs were indicating basically that it's not either/or.

 

[Mark7]

Sounds reasonable. If the "purses" are for energy storage, it makes sense that the cone in the other hand receives this energy to be directed somewhere. The watches may be for setting the frequency or something like that.

If 'thought' is involved at all, then no wonder this technology is invisible to our current materialistic worldview. Thought, sound, frequency, rather than a 'dumb' particle. Maybe they were manipulating 'informed particles'.

 

[palestine]

The thought that comet, asteroid or meteorite strikes on Earth may synchronise with times of intense human conflict (e.g. the Trojan War, the major conflicts in Europe in the 17th century etc.) made me think about the largest known meteorite crater found on Earth, which is the Barringer Crater, an impact crater about 37 miles (60 km) east of Flagstaff, Arizona. It is about 3,900 ft (1,200 m) in diameter, some 560 ft (170 m) deep, and is surrounded by a rim that rises 148 ft (45 m) above the surrounding plains. The centre of the crater is filled with 690–790 ft (210–240 m) of rubble lying above crater bedrock. Using the C's description, this strike must have been a real "doozie". Scientists estimate that the asteroid or meteorite that created the crater was approximately 160 ft (50 m) in diameter.

See: Meteor Crater - Wikipedia

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What grabbed my attention though is that the scientists believe the crater was created about 50,000 years ago during the Pleistocene epoch. Very few remaining craters are visible on Earth, since many have been erased by erosive geological processes. The relatively young age of the Barringer Crater, paired with the dry Arizona climate, has allowed the crater to remain comparatively unchanged since its formation.

Mainstream historians and archaeologists would have us believe that at the time this impact crater was formed humans were simple cavemen and hunter gatherers. However, the C's have suggested that during this period the Atlantean civilisation was at its height with large colonies on the Moon and Mars (and possibly other planetary bodies or moons in the Solar System too). Moreover, they have said that there was a war going on between the Celts and the Parathanas in India during this period, which may subsequently have spread to Mars as well, since there are signs of nuclear detonations on Mars, particularly in the Cydonia region (where the infamous Face on Mars is located) according to NASA scientist John Brandenburger - see: john brandenburg mars nuclear explosion - Search Videos
​

The C's subsequently confirmed that it was this war that led to the extinction of the Paranthas:



If the scientists are correct about the formation of the Barringer Crater being the result of a meteorite impact 50,000 years ago, then this would put it in the same ball park as the war between the Kantekkians/Celts and the Paranthas and the construction of the pyramids on Mars, which seem to have become the targets for a nuclear attack.

So, did this massive meteorite impact in Arizona coincide with the war between the Kantekkians/Celts and the Paranthas and, if so, did it play any part in their extinction, depending on where they had been located of course. An asteroid or meteorite impact like this would have put out a huge amount of kinetic energy equivalent to a large nuclear weapon detonating. Indeed, the impact energy has been estimated at 10 megatons TNT. There may have been secondary impacts too, as pieces of the meteorite undoubtedly broke off prior to the main impact. Could this impactor have even been the basis of Ravana (meaning "roaring"), the ten-headed demon king of Lanka in the ancient Hindu epic Ramayana?

What strikes me about this though is that despite the Atlanteans advanced technology (supposedly vastly in advance of our own according to the C's), they were not able to protect the Earth against this impactor. If they were unable to stop such an impactor getting through, what chance do we have? Finally, is it possible that the Quorum arranged this strike?​

Could be a nuclear hit, instead of a comet/asteroid. Did they find "cometary proxies" (comet debris in chemical analysis)?

 

[Sindy-S.R]

Well in the video below, David Miano, a professor of ancient history, has it all sussed out. Apparently, the purses or handbags seen in the Assyrian carvings were actually just buckets for carrying water. So I guess the C's had it all wrong .​

See:

Why would the Apkallu deities (or Assyrian wise sages) be carrying buckets you may ask. This seems to be somewhat a menial task for such exalted beings you would think. Well, Professor Miano believes they were using the water carried in them to pollinate the Assyrian sacred date palm tree to ward off evil. Hmmm.

I also think he is wrong about the Assyrian tree of life, since I would suggest that there is indeed a link with the Jewish tree of life known as the 'Sephiroth'. The Jewish culture and philosophy did not come out of nowhere and it is highly likely that their Semitic ancestors hailed from Assyria and the even earlier kingdom of Akkad, a kingdom that had once been ruled over by the undergrounder Sargon the Great. Afterall, the C's suggested that the Jewish notion of the Exodus, as depicted in the Hebrew Bible, drew on an inherited folk memory of their Semitic forefathers having being slaves or underdogs in Mesopotamia or Sumeria. What other memories or concepts could they have inherited from their Semitic forebears?

What I do note though is that in the images of the Apkallu (Lizzies anyone?) and other beings carrying these purses (sorry I meant buckets ), they all seem to be wearing on their wrists what appears to be something like a modern day wrist watch. These could, of course, have been just decorative bracelets or bands but I wonder if they could possibly have represented some kind of technology that might have even been connected to the directed energy power source held within the purses.​

Watching this video gave me an idea, I don't know if anyone has already mentioned it.
What if the watch-shaped object or band, the bag, and the pineapple were actually what they are "literally"?

Let me explain, these beings had to "disguise" themselves, according to the fashion of that era, because presenting themselves dressed as what they are could have created too strong a visual and cognitive impact for the humans of that time.
In the case of the bag, watch, and pineapple, they were technological devices they used, but they disguised them to avoid creating a strong visual impact.

If you were a time traveler from the future and needed to interact with people from the past, for example, from more than 5,500 years ago, wouldn't you disguise yourself?

Note: I'm not saying that the Apkallu were time travelers; on the contrary, I think they were beings from that time, but more evolved.