Session 11 August 2018

Jones

Dagobah Resident
FOTCM Member
Without getting into a big essay about it, the symbols they were using were: 1) lamb, 2) anchor, 3) vase, 4) dove, 5) boat, 6) olive branch, 7) the Orante, 8) palm, 9) bread, 10) the good shepherd, 11) fish, 12) vine and grapes.
The Orante - the statue in the Gauguin? "Where do we come from? What are we? Where are we going?" I read what I could find on the Gauguin to try to figure out the symbolism of it and did a search on Goddesses to see if I could find that statue, but wasn't successful.
 

thorbiorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
The Orante - the statue in the Gauguin? "Where do we come from? What are we? Where are we going?" I read what I could find on the Gauguin to try to figure out the symbolism of it and did a search on Goddesses to see if I could find that statue, but wasn't successful.
Could it be that the word to look for is "Orans", at least it gives: Orans - Wikipedia
, a loanword from Medieval Latin ōrāns translated as one who is praying or pleading, also orant or orante, is a posture or bodily attitude of prayer, usually standing, with the elbows close to the sides of the body and with the hands outstretched sideways, palms up.[1] It was common in early Christianity and can frequently be seen in early Christian art. In modern times, the orans position is still preserved within parts of the Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican and Lutheran liturgies, Pentecostal and charismatic worship, and the ascetical practices of some religious groups.
or in the Spanish version of the Wiki, translated to English
Prayer (iconographic theme)
The praying man, the word coming from the Latin orans,1 is a topic iconography of paleo-christian art which depicts a person with outstretched hands in a gesture of prayer. This is a typical position of prayer, which is attested, for example, in some texts of the Old Testament (cf. Ex 17, 11, Lm 3, 41, Ps 118, 48, etc) The gesture is also referred to in some works of the antiquity, as a carmina where Catullus says that Calvo had no choice but to contact the gods by raising hands (Carm 53, 4-5). Also Virgil tells that Anquises would have stretched hands to the sky to pray to Zeus (In II 687; see also: In VI 314).
The picture that is used in both cases is 31304
 

thorbiorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Behind the story of the Virgin Mary or Mother Mary some could argue there is a linking to, Venus/Aphrodite of the Roman Greek civilization On Roman Goddess Venus: Universal Divine Love there is:
The goddess Isis, may be one more value of the feminine aspect, besides Venus, that was absorbed into the figure of Mother Mary. On
Isis one finds:
It was not until Isis was worshiped in Rome that people wrote about the cult to any great degree [...] Her temple on the island of Philae in Upper Egypt would remain an active pilgrimage site for thousands of years until closed in the 6th century CE by the Christian emperor Justinian. [...]
She is depicted in some stories and inscriptions as a homeless woman, an old woman, a wife searching for and mourning her lost husband, a mother mourning a missing child, a woman fighting for her family, and all of these stories identified her with the common people of Egypt and their darkest moments; because of this, Isis became the goddess of all the people of Egypt, male and female, royal and common, alike. [...]
Eventually, she became associated with the sea and was a protectress of sailors and merchants who wore talismans honoring her and invoked her aid in times of trouble (attested to by archaeological evidence). Unlike the other gods of Egypt, Isis transcended national borders and was worshiped by the Greeks and the Romans who believed in her as the supreme deity who created the world. Her cult in Rome was the greatest rival to the young religion of Christianity, which drew upon the image of Isis and the child-god Horus for the depiction of the Madonna with the Christ child.
In this post Laura comments on the meaning of Isis according to the C's and her own research.
 

Agron

A Disturbance in the Force
I will try to add to this thread since it was the one I landed into prior to getting tips from @Beau. Theres a good reason I picked this one, Im sure :-) . And sorry for the messy post but Im trying to adress few things of interest..

@Ruth says
"I can't help but thinking the longer it goes on for, the bigger the wave will be when it hits."

I think its not just A wave. Waves make a sea right? I think its more like two seas going through each other. When the process is over who is still in this 4D reality is sadly still here... and who transitioned higher will be higher.

So, maybe this is overly simplified, but given how symbolic the Cs' messages can be, what if the whole idea of hybridization, alien&human interactions, etc. could be explained by "as above, so below"?

Two different species can reproduce/merge, and the examples of aliens having intercourse with humans are SO rare,
@Chu

Why think that different species could breed at all. Nature doesnt allow for that, right? I think all life shares the same DNA though. If thats the case, which it seems to be, than we can imagine how a caterpillar is transformed to a butterfly. Transformation through activation of information written in the DNA. Enviroment gets the DNA going and it transforms the cells and the "body" to which it is connected. So, in my hypothesis, humans could be transformed into different species if the enviroment and other factors are there.

I also noticed one thing in qs an as from a transcript copied to a post in this thread which I cant find now to copy/reply to. When mrs. @Laura asks about when this is going to happen, or when is it going to be over, the wave and when it will finally hit the Earth. I think it is all already happening NOW but it wont be an overnight deal.
If we imagine that we are on a 3rd density wave in a 3rd density sea which is coliding with a 4th density sea that would be a long-lasting interaction. And since its all NOW thats why we cant have dates for when are things going to happen. Its a process that has to grow and rise and mature... and only when its ready it happens. Theres more to this and I dont know if we even have the capacity to understand it all here, in this reality. Maybe we shouldnt try to understand everything all the time too. Alan Watts said that the Universe will always escape our scrutiny and we will think its complexity, when in fact its a game of catch :cool:

I understand Time, as we know it, ia a mind-construct made for better learning in our 4D experience. A program that all conscious beings here must share. But no one said how any individual should percieve that "time". So it seems we have options and we dont have to look at that narrow second/minute as that is all we get out of it.

Ancestors? Everything said in the transcript resonates with my thinking about ancestors and their role in our reality. Im building a much better understanding about how this interaction is possible now. Its certainly no wonder that respect/reverence of ancestors always held a high place in old cultures of this planet but Im realizing there is much more to it than going to graves of deceased family members once a year.

Hope I made sense with all this, it was a 27 page read and it was hard to catch it all, Im sure I missed something :-) ..

I wish a very nice day to all yall and a big thank you for this session and all your input.
 

Pashalis

Ambassador
Ambassador
FOTCM Member
When the process is over who is still in this 4D reality is sadly still here...
for better learning in our 4D experience
You mean 3D in the above statements, right? According to the C's, we are 3D STS.

Theres more to this and I dont know if we even have the capacity to understand it all here, in this reality. Maybe we shouldnt try to understand everything all the time too. Alan Watts said that the Universe will always escape our scrutiny and we will think its complexity, when in fact its a game of catch
I'm always reminded of this quote by the C's when it comes down to discussions and ideas of "how 4D is like" and how to interpret things like "the wave" from our very limited perspective:

Q: (L) So, if all that exists were like a blown up balloon, and the surface of the balloon represents the static state of gravity, 7th density maybe... and it begins to bump out in different places... and all these little bumps are loci of manifestation of various densities - and this is very simplified, I am just trying to get an image - is this getting, even very simplistically, an idea that I can work with?

A: As long as you have an "anti-balloon" too.

[...]

Q: (L) A non-balloon? You are making me CRAZY! You are saying that NOTHING exists! We are just not even HERE!

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, for God's SAKE! Help me out with a visual on this! Okay, a balloon in front of a mirror, the reflection of the balloon is the "non-balloon."

A: No.

Q: (L) The non-balloon is when the balloon switches off - but it does it so fast you are not aware of it - like a pulsation...? I mean, I am desperate here!

A: You see, my dear, when you arrive at 4th density, then you will see.

Q: (L) Well, how in the heck am I supposed to get there if I can't "get it?"

A: Who says you have to "get it" before you get there?

Q: (L) Well, that leads back to: what is the wave going to do to expand this awareness? Because, if the wave is what "gets you there," what makes this so?

A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your lessons in "third grade," where do you go?


Q: (L) So, it is a question of...

A: Answer, please.

Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.

A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in order to be allowed to go there? Answer.

Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things...

A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the lessons.

Q: (L) What kind of lessons are we talking about here?

A: Karmic and simple understandings.
And the following two:

Generally, I would say it is very hard if not impossible for third density beings to truly fathom, grasp or analyze anything that might be going on in higher densities, like for example at the fourth level. When it comes to higher ones than that, this might be even harder to fathom/interpret. Keeping that in mind is important I think also in regard to our interpretation of what was said in the RA and C's material.

Having said that, from what we do have in the form of the Ra and C's material, this can likely give us a much clearer picture or approximation of what might be going on, keeping our limitations in mind.
Yup. When the Cs said that we should concentrate on the lessons of this level in order to graduate, and I began to learn just how badly people are in need of these very basic concepts, I decided that I would concentrate my attention and energy on where I am with the intent to grow.

So, basically, I don't waste my time in fruitless speculation; I know my limits.
 

Agron

A Disturbance in the Force
You mean 3D in the above statements, right? According to the C's, we are 3D STS.
Yes, I get confused with time being 4th dimension to our reality.
3D here means third density, right?

And thanks for Who says you have to "get it" before you get there?.
I agree, our limitations should be taken into account if we want to have a notion of real possibilty and then make it happen.
 
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