Session 16 August 2014

[John G]

Hi Alkhemist,

Take anything you like from: https://www.google.com/search?q=nicotine%20healthy&sitesearch=www.sott.net

Thanks, but I was looking for something that wasn't from SOTT.

You could google "nicotine neuroprotective" too.

 

[Buddy]

Thanks, but I was looking for something that wasn't from SOTT.

You mean stuff like University of California's Legacy tobacco documents library and research within the psycho-pharmacology domain?

This article with its links at bottom will prolly get you up and running:

_http://dengulenegl.dk/English/Nicotine.html

 

[Kosma]

I agree. Something else that makes me uncomfortable is the whole idea of having a big emotional release in this context, especially with a person not involved in the Work. Remember the advice Gurdjieff always gave: play a role always (i.e., with people not in your network). In other words, I'd be very careful with whom I choose to get emotional. 3D reality being what it is, and people being what they are, it's a situation that will inevitably result in some kind of feeding dynamic, like sitta mentioned, especially in an SRT context, when the energies involved are more subtle in nature. In sum, keep your head, stay aware, remember yourself, be critical, and process things in your own time and with your real network. OSIT.

Indeed. Anyone not involved in The Work is still plugged into the Matrix with all that implies. It seems that much of the SRT experiences which were, I remind you, in the way of an experiment, end up being a feeding-fest of Internal Considering. What is important about SRT, as I have said over and over again, are the details that enable one to learn. If you want an emotional release, do EE or see a qualified therapist.

Hi, are there some big changes in attitude towards SRT? I mean, Patrick's Rodriguez' thread is gone and I can't find informations regarding this?

 

[Palinurus]

Hi, are there some big changes in attitude towards SRT? I mean, Patrick's Rodriguez' thread is gone and I can't find informations regarding this?

Hi Kosma,

Indeed! I recently read somewhere that the Patrick Rodriguez thread has been moved to the FOTCM private section for further discussion and evaluation, in the light of what you just referenced.

The C's remarks in this latest session combined with the discussion here, has prompted a complete overhaul of what precisely was going on within and around those sessions -- particularly with regard to possible evasive tendencies vis a vis doing the Work, with all the personal difficulties it implies.

That's my current understanding. FWIW.

 

[Mr. Premise]

Can someone please point me in the direction of the research that nicotine is good for you?

I'm not arguing against it because I'm always open to new information, but I've never been a fan of cigarettes. I'm one of those weird people who have smoked off an on since high school (I'm 51) but have never liked it enough to get hooked on them. Now I can't even remember the last time I smoked.

However, my partner is a life-long smoker. He only smokes occasionally now when he's at work, but it has been a point of concern for me. As you know, we're all told that smoking is bad for you, and he has had health problems that docs say are due to smoking. If this isn't true, I'd like to know more.

I know the Native Americans used tobacco, but in far less quantities than do today's smokers, so there must have been some good reason for it. I also heard recently that a nicotine-based drug showed promise in the fight against Ebola.

Thanks in advance.

[Moderator, please feel free to move this post if it should go elsewhere.]

I am very sceptical of the claim that Native Americans smoked way less than today's smokers. I think that anti-smoking people took anthropologists' claim that they did it "ceremonially" or "ritually" to claim that they didn't smoke much. But you can do something ceremonially ten times a day. And anthropologists studying people in developed countries today would also identify a ritual element to people's smoking habits.

There are plenty of accounts that show natives smoking frequently and heavily, going back to Columbus. Also, most North American Indians smoked Nicotiana Rustica varieties which have at least twice the nicotine of The standard Nicotiana Tabacum types that we usually smoke and that were grown by the natives of South America and introduced to the world by the Spanish.

As for your partner, try to encourage him not to smoke commercial cigarettes since they are loaded with chemicals. Even Organic American Spirits are required by law to make them with Fire Safe papers which have some polymers added in stripes to stop a forgotten cigarette from burning. Most countries now require this.
People who've switched from commercial cigarettes to additive free roll your own or make your own report much improved help. There is a ton of information in the thread "Is Smoking... Good " https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,84.0.html
where we try to keep most of the discussions about tobacco.

 

[Buddy]

Hi Kosma.

I was unaware of "big changes in attitude towards SRT", but I thought that potential existed and I was afraid it might materialize. I don't know how well-read you are on the concept of "the Matrix" and "the controllers", but I compare something AI said:

I'd be very careful with whom I choose to get emotional. 3D reality being what it is, and people being what they are, it's a situation that will inevitably result in some kind of feeding dynamic...

...with what we can know of how emotions were running wild and out in the open in the '60's when government operations were directed against progressives, the hippies and anti-war protesters. Now we have 232 articles of, or related to, the "Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon" on SoTT that detail a lot of what "the controllers" were doing behind the scenes and what role feeding dynamics can play in their success.

I'm sorry, but I think a person would have to be dead asleep not to know about or to realize that there is a Matrix - especially since we can occasionally find mainstream reporting on it and even the CIA admitting their role in creating "Modern Art" during the cold war:

_http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html

I'm not ripping on SRT by any means because I don't know anything negative about it, I'm just saying it's hard to avoid the feeling that everything is a conspiracy these days.

 

[anartist]

Thank you for this session. I found the information on auto spirit release very helpful, and the discussion on doing the work illuminating. Identifying what is me and what is not me is a crucial first step.

 

[IncenDiary]

[..] it's hard to avoid the feeling that everything is a conspiracy these days.

Yeah, that's very true. It must be because everything IS a lie that we are told. The stripping away of these is a long, hard and painful thing to do - but once you are investigating and researching and THINKING for yourself, you do not want to go back to that place - where most people are now. Then YOU end up "looking" crazy to them, but again from their perspective of believing their particular brand of lies, just like cigarettes.

Laura said, there is a website, for everyone, to vector them away from the truth. With the plethora of slightly different but still the same topics and websites out there, it's very believable. Who gets the airtime? Who DOESN'T get the airtime? This is very interesting to see, since I have found that those who are undermined, mocked, ridiculed, blocked from airplay, the MOST , are the MOST interesting to read about and discover from, and those who DO get all this popularity, are strangely off when you go through their material, it's a weird thing I've found, in the same way as sour milk....

 

[Kosma]

Hi, are there some big changes in attitude towards SRT? I mean, Patrick's Rodriguez' thread is gone and I can't find informations regarding this?

Hi Kosma,

Indeed! I recently read somewhere that the Patrick Rodriguez thread has been moved to the FOTCM private section for further discussion and evaluation, in the light of what you just referenced.

The C's remarks in this latest session combined with the discussion here, has prompted a complete overhaul of what precisely was going on within and around those sessions -- particularly with regard to possible evasive tendencies vis a vis doing the Work, with all the personal difficulties it implies.

That's my current understanding. FWIW.

I've wanted to read about some details in topic of SRT and maybe ask some questions, but I find it a bit inappropriate now from my position as it's moved to private section.

Hi Kosma.

I was unaware of "big changes in attitude towards SRT", but I thought that potential existed and I was afraid it might materialize. I don't know how well-read you are on the concept of "the Matrix" and "the controllers", but I compare something AI said:

I'd be very careful with whom I choose to get emotional. 3D reality being what it is, and people being what they are, it's a situation that will inevitably result in some kind of feeding dynamic...

...with what we can know of how emotions were running wild and out in the open in the '60's when government operations were directed against progressives, the hippies and anti-war protesters. Now we have 232 articles of, or related to, the "Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon" on SoTT that detail a lot of what "the controllers" were doing behind the scenes and what role feeding dynamics can play in their success.

I'm sorry, but I think a person would have to be dead asleep not to know about or to realize that there is a Matrix - especially since we can occasionally find mainstream reporting on it and even the CIA admitting their role in creating "Modern Art" during the cold war:

_http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html

I'm not ripping on SRT by any means because I don't know anything negative about it, I'm just saying it's hard to avoid the feeling that everything is a conspiracy these days.

I'm not native english speaker and I feel like I might loose some general context sometimes when reading, but I hope it's not the case. I think I realize more or less the concept of Matrix in which we are living, I'm just confused a bit about revealing some significant danger that SRT may carry with, as it was advisable on this forum in recent times.

Anyway I hope SRT is still helpful is some cases with adequate awareness involved.

 

[Alkhemist]

Thanks, but I was looking for something that wasn't from SOTT.

I don't quite understand what you mean by this, Alkhemist.

Most pieces carried by SOTT originate from somewhere else, which is always mentioned in their header info.

Clicking on any title brings you directly to the original source, and from there you can search for corroborating extras on the spot -- provided you would want some.

Ok, I misunderstood, then. I looked at a few of the links and saw they were all from SOTT, but I didn't realize they cited outside research. I'll take another look.

Thanks.

 

[Laura]

Thanks, but I was looking for something that wasn't from SOTT.

I don't quite understand what you mean by this, Alkhemist.

Most pieces carried by SOTT originate from somewhere else, which is always mentioned in their header info.

Clicking on any title brings you directly to the original source, and from there you can search for corroborating extras on the spot -- provided you would want some.

Ok, I misunderstood, then. I looked at a few of the links and saw they were all from SOTT, but I didn't realize they cited outside research. I'll take another look.

Thanks.

Most of what we post and discuss IS OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT RESEARCH. We just have the nasty habit of experimenting ourselves to see if they are telling the truth or not.

 

[lainey]

Thanks for the session. This has confirmed what I was thinking about SRT and the work. Why put a band aid over the problem when you can do the work to eradicate it completely. Some habits feel impossible to kick and I can relate to the feeling of it being someone else who is doing it. Inside I am thinking "I shouldn't be doing this" yet I carry on doing it. It takes a lot of inner strength to drag yourself away from certain things. That's why I feel self remembering is so important so you can catch yourself in the moment and say no to your habit.

 

[Alkhemist]

Most of what we post and discuss IS OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT RESEARCH. We just have the nasty habit of experimenting ourselves to see if they are telling the truth or not.

Hm. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing!

I'm curious -- from your personal experience, when smoking the non-corporate cigs, do you find any difference in the addiction itself? Do you still crave nicotine in the same way other smokers do? In other words, do you get grumpy or tired when it's time for a new fix?

As I mentioned elsewhere, I don't smoke, but addiction is one of those things I've studied over the years because I find it really interesting (and because I've experienced addiction, as well).

 

[Psalehesost]

I'm curious -- from your personal experience, when smoking the non-corporate cigs, do you find any difference in the addiction itself? Do you still crave nicotine in the same way other smokers do? In other words, do you get grumpy or tired when it's time for a new fix?

As I mentioned elsewhere, I don't smoke, but addiction is one of those things I've studied over the years because I find it really interesting (and because I've experienced addiction, as well).

It's been discussed in the big thread on smoking. Many others notice a difference - basically, the corporate cigarettes contain additives that make them addictive in a different way. When smoking pure tobacco, many find less is needed, and the 'urge' is different.

Personally, I can't really compare the two, because I've never been a smoker of big tobacco cigarettes. For me, the 'sign' that I need to smoke is simply that I don't feel as focused as I could be, and I want to become as sharp as possible.

 

[Mikha'El]

Most of what we post and discuss IS OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT RESEARCH. We just have the nasty habit of experimenting ourselves to see if they are telling the truth or not.

Hm. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing!

I'm curious -- from your personal experience, when smoking the non-corporate cigs, do you find any difference in the addiction itself? Do you still crave nicotine in the same way other smokers do? In other words, do you get grumpy or tired when it's time for a new fix?

As I mentioned elsewhere, I don't smoke, but addiction is one of those things I've studied over the years because I find it really interesting (and because I've experienced addiction, as well).

Interestingly enough, I had a prolonged episode of not being able to smoke yesterday, about four hours.

I did notice that I was not as grumpy or moody as I would have been had I still been a Camel smoker. I also noticed that when I finally did get to light one up that I didn't get the crazy head rush that I would have gotten with the mainstream cigs.

I've been smoking hand rolled, organic tobacco for about two years now, previous to that I had smoked Camels for almost twenty years.

In conclusion I would say that there is a much lower level of withdrawal associated with natural tobacco according to my experience.