Session 17 August 2024

[baltazar]

Hello



I had an experience that I guess needs to be shared.



I experienced a big depression (2021) where I was obviously inattentive and something happened. A long time passed when I became aware that I was in some kind of "prison", as if someone had wrapped an invisible wire around me with all the side effects that go with it.



I was freed with the help of EE, Laura and Prayer of the Soul. The deliverance lasted three times every couple of days and always with Prayer.



It also seems to me that the granddaughter was also saved in this way. She is four and a half years old and called me in a panic before the Prayer.



There, that would be it. I don't want to waste too much space in case this event isn't important, but if it is I'm available for further explanation.



In the end, I would like to thank Laura, the team and all the members of the Forum for everything you give, with which you have encouraged my growth and knowledge/cognition out where we live as well as the way we should approach the problem and thereby enable our Soul to grow in all its beauty and glory.



P.S. I know I should introduce myself. I tried many times, but the brake is somehow stronger.



I hope the translation is correct.

google translator

 

[hiker]

Britain and France planned to attack the USSR in 1940 (Operation Pike), even after the German annexation of both Czechoslovakia and Austria in the years before. Britain and France vastly underestimated the Soviet power after Stalin "lost" the Finland war, which he apparently ended quickly because of the looming British/French attack threat:


Why Everything You Know About World War II Is Wrong

Corroborates the article at Sott.net cited above. - Why Everything You Know About World War II Is Wrong

I had the typical "Hollywoodian" understanding of WW2 in my younger years. As time went by, I learned that it wasn't that simple after all: Pearl Harbor was "allowed" to happen, there was no need to drop the A-bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Winston Churchill wasn't such a pristine wartime leader, but actually quite the opposite, etc. (In a way, Churchill "pleaded guilty" when he [allegedly] said that "history is written by the victors".)

My knowledge was still somewhat cursory, so thanks for posting the article, it was an eye opener in its thoroughness.
I listened to the audio version while driving, and a lot of the points mentioned were news to me. For example, I was unfamiliar with Operation Pike and had no idea that after the war, the occupying Allied (US) forces orchestrated the death of million(s) of Germans due to starvation.

Also, when David Irving was mentioned, I remembered seeing him on the evening news back in the nineties and how he was being portrayed as a madman for "denying" the Holocaust. In the snippet shown, people actually spat on him, and there was almost a lynch mob mentality occurring. Apparently it was a smear campaign, arranged to discredit him for presenting a well-researched, differing point of view to the established WW2 history, particularly how the holocaust went down.

I got the impression from the article that the scope and extent of the holocaust narrative has been exaggerated. In reality, it seems to have happened on a smaller scale.

A personal anecdote: I suppose Auschwitz was one of the places where it took place. I visited the camp in 2005 and in my experience, I had this feeling of "uneasiness" and "heaviness" while there. I guess when something bad and negative happens in a location, it can leave its mark and an imprint.

 

[Ruth]

Q: (Joe) So the program was the planned assassination of Trump?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) And... but it was changed to avoid mass violation of free will. And who made the decision to change the program?

A: Quorum.

Q: (Joe) Right. So they had a good think about it, and thought it was a bad idea.

A: Violations of free will on that scale are similar to violations of gravity in your realm.

Q: (Niall) It's like trying to break a natural law, or something. It's too much.

(L) Yeah, if you jump off the roof and you think you're not going to get hurt, that's violating gravity.

It looks like the Quorum did the 3D gravity equivalent of putting a parachute on! They needed to slow things down or they'd hit the ground at terminal velocity.

It reminds me a little of Trump winning over Hillary in 2016. It slowed things down and things didn't get as bad as they could, as fast as they would have under the 'Wicked Witch of the West'.

 

[taratai]

A personal anecdote: I suppose Auschwitz was one of the places where it took place. I visited the camp in 2005 and in my experience, I had this feeling of "uneasiness" and "heaviness" while there. I guess when something bad and negative happens in a location, it can leave its mark and an imprint.

This uneasiness might not be because of what actually happened there, but because that place got turned into a temple of grief and suffering.

Because let's not fool ourselves - those in charge of Auschwitz today WANT people to feel uneasy when going there, and it the entire tour was designed to invoke those feelings. It is supposed to have a negative impact on visitors, and to feed the "Holocaust Was The Worst Thing That Happened To Humanity EVER" egregore.

 

[hiker]

This uneasiness might not be because of what actually happened there, but because that place got turned into a temple of grief and suffering.

Because let's not fool ourselves - those in charge of Auschwitz today WANT people to feel uneasy when going there, and it the entire tour was designed to invoke those feelings. It is supposed to have a negative impact on visitors, and to feed the "Holocaust Was The Worst Thing That Happened To Humanity EVER" egregore.

That could have played a part in the oppressive feelings I had there. They interestingly began to appear when the bus parked in front of the camp; perhaps seeing the place for the first time, knowing its heavy history, had its effect also. We then walked (I was with a friend) the grounds and visited the buildings on our own.

Yeah, the concept of the Holocaust is taken advantage of and is used for nefarious purposes.

 

[Joe]

Was thinking about the "program change" mentioned in three sessions this year, starting in March, and wanted to try and understand it better because it's not exactly clear, at least to me.

So they brought up the change themselves in March.

March 9th

Q: (L) And what's the deal with the numbers?

A: Sequence of program change.

Q: (L) What program change?

A: Your reality is about to undergo one such.

Q: (L) And what would the numbers do for us?

A: Sorry, that was information code unknown to you as yet.

Q: (L) Okay. So, you were parsing some kind of... something similar to a computer code?

A: Close.

Q: (Joe) Do these program changes of the type our reality is about to undergo happen fairly frequently? Have they happened in our lifetimes before?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they happen frequently?

A: No

Q: (Gaby) Was 9-11 one?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Was the assassination of John F. Kennedy one?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Well, neither of those events were positive from our perspective. So, it’s probably best to assume that this next one will be the same – i.e. not positive from our perspective?

A: Close

Q: (Joe) And when they say, "is about to undergo", is that imminent or within the next year?

A: Months or so.

Q: (Joe) What are the chances of Trump being assassinated this year?

A: Possible made to look natural event.

Q: (Gaby) Like a heart attack.

A: Stroke.

Q: (Joe) Does the program change that they're talking about that's within X number of months relate to the releasing of a new virus?

A: Not yet.

Q: (Andromeda) So something else before that.

(Niall) Geopolitics. Ukraine.

(Joe) Is it related to geopolitics in Ukraine and Russia?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Should we give any credence to the European politicians' talk of Europe going to war with Russia?

A: Some, certainly. Hubris knows no bounds.

Q: (Niall) They really, really, really, really don't want Putin to win.

(L) And they really, really, really don't want Trump to win, and they're really, really, really getting desperate and the reason for their desperation seems to me that there is some big change approaching. Is that part of it?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) So the program change then is something other than the work or the machinations of the overt political elite in the West?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Is it 4D STS?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) What is it, Laura? What is it then?

(Niall) A space threat?

A: Watch the skies and land and oceans.

Q: (L) Well, that's everything.

(Andromeda) But mostly natural.

(Niall) Earth changes.

So initially it was said the program change was related to geopolitics in Ukraine and Russia (although possibly not ONLY related to that) and also that we should "watch the skies and land and oceans", and at that stage they threw in the idea that Trump *might* be assassinated in a way that made it look natural, although that was not necessarily related to the program change. I threw in that question about Trump because I thought that that was what the "program change" involved.

Then in April we came back to it.

April 27th

Q: (Altair) Which events initiated the upcoming program change?

(L) What program change?

[Discussion of beginning of March 9, 2024 session - Session 9 March 2024]

(L) Okay, so this is just Altair's tricky way of trying to get more answers than they gave the last time. [laughter]

(Joe) He wants to know why it's happening now, I suppose.

(Altair) Which events initiated the upcoming program change? Is it because of Ukraine losing on the battlefield?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it because of Trump?

A: Closer.

Q: (Niall) Something to do with American politics?

(L) So, does this program change have to do with American politics?

A: Warm.

Q: (L) Is it something that we're seeing at the present moment with these massive protests that are going on at the US universities, which is basically making Israel look really, really bad?

(Joe) Because of what they're doing in Palestine.

(L) So they've got some kind of something that's got to be done about this?

A: Very warm.

Q: (L) So, it has to do with Israel, possibly with Trump and the American political scene and the mass protest against the genocide and Palestine?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So, they're going to try to do something because...

(Joe) To distract from all that.

(L) To distract from all that, or to damp that down?

A: Yes

So here it was stated that it was NOT related to Ukraine losing on the battlefield and instead specifically related to Israel and Trump and distracting from the negative press Israel was getting on US campuses (and elsewhere we suppose).

Then it was discussed again in July where they volunteered that the Quorum was meeting and changes were coming. Note, this was one week before the attempt on Trump's life.

July 6th

A: Quorum is meeting. Changes coming.

Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?

A: Nomendei of Cassiopaea.

Q: (Joe) The name of God, or the names of God...

(Scottie) That's unusual.

Q: (L) Okay. So you say the Quorum is meeting. Is that the Quorum you have spoken of in previous sessions?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) And where are they meeting?

A: 4D.

Q: (L) And is it unusual for them to meet? I mean, is that why you brought this up?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When was the last time they met?

A: 40 years ago.

Q: (L) Was that 40 years, or did I miss a number? Was it 40?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) 40 years ago was when?

(Joe) 1984.

Q: (L) 1984. Uh-oh, argh! [Laughter]

(Joe) What are they meeting to discuss or decide?

A: Future of Earth.

Q: (L) Is it a good thing they're meeting, or a bad thing?

A: Depends on perspective.

Q: (L) Okay. Is it a good thing from our perspective?

A: Probably not.

Q: (L) Does it mean that from our perspective they're going to effect, or make some nefarious plans in the direction of greater control of human beings?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is it because there is too much resistance against the increasing control, or not enough?

A: Not enough for balance.

Q: (L) So, based on things you've said in the past, does that mean there needs to be more suffering so that more people wake up?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Well, swell!

(Joe) So the meeting that they're having, the decision that they're coming to will determine the future of Earth in a definitive way, or is it just another step?

A: Not as you suggest, no.

Q: (Gaby) It's more about the future of humanity...

(Joe) Or the future trajectory, or the next step in the...

A: There needs to be balance.

Q: (Joe) There needs to be balance, but they said there's not enough resistance from people, right?

(Chu) Yeah.

(Joe) And there's not enough resistance for balance. And there needs to be balance. So...

(L) They need to make more resistance.

(Joe) Well, these people aren't intending to produce more resistance. They're probably intending to create more control, but by trying to do that, they'll provoke more resistance.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So the controls may get tighter.

(Joe) And then people will rebel more.

(L) Well, swell! There went my retirement!

(Joe) It's kind of funny how someone would want more control, but that to get there, and in trying to get more control, they're not aware that they're going to get more resistance.

(L) Yeah, well, isn't that what Mephistopheles said in Faust? You know, he who intends evil, but... something along the lines. Somebody find that quote from Faust. "He who intends evil but ends up doing good..." or whatever. ["I am part of that power which eternally wills evil and eternally works good"].

(Joe) So does that relate to the program change that they talked about in the last session?

A: Yes, indirectly.

Q: (PoB) Does "future of Earth" also involve things like Earth changes, climate and...?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) So, what is within the purview of this Quorum people is basically control of human beings rather than...

(Chu) Well, if they're in 4D, they might be controlling the weather too.

(Joe) But can they effect changes like cataclysms? Can they induce or provoke cataclysms?

A: Yes to all.

Q: (Joe) So we're looking at something more along the lines of Earth changes then... [Laughter]

A: No dice!

Q: (Joe) So, we're looking then at stuff more along the lines of more control over human beings, which provokes Earth changes because of the...

A: Close.

So the Quorum was meeting in July to "decide the future of earth" because "more resistance is needed for balance" so more control measures need to be exerted on the population. And this was being done with the intent of creating more control but in reality it will produce (at least some) resistance and therefore balance. And that the result of creating more resistance and balance is NOT what they intended.

Most importantly, this quorum meeting related only INDIRECTLY to the program change.

Then after the attempt on Trump's life, we revisited the "program change" thing.

Aug 17th

Q: (Joe) So, and was it just luck, let's say, that made Trump turn his head?

A: Divine intervention.

Q: (Joe) Divine intervention by Trump's higher self?

A: Yes. Powered by mass prayers. [...]


Q: (Niall) Wow! Was the attempted assassination of Trump what the C's referred to…?

(Joe) They mentioned the program change...

(Niall) And the meeting with the Quorum.

(Joe) And they talked about program change upcoming. This was like in maybe February or March. They said it was in a timescale of months. Was that [Trump's assassination attempt] the anticipated program change, and it got subverted? Or is the program change still to come?

A: Program had to be changed to avoid mass violation of free will.

Q: (Joe) So the program was the planned assassination of Trump?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) And... but it was changed to avoid mass violation of free will. And who made the decision to change the program?

A: Quorum.

Q: (Joe) Right. So they had a good think about it, and thought it was a bad idea.

A: Violations of free will on that scale are similar to violations of gravity in your realm.

Q: (Niall) It's like trying to break a natural law, or something. It's too much.

(L) Yeah, if you jump off the roof and you think you're not going to get hurt, that's violating gravity.

(Joe) So it was strange that such smart people in the Quorum would have not realized that that was a bad idea from the get go.

(L) Well, I don't think they expected so many people to be praying for Trump, and to be supporting him.

(Joe) Yes. Because that suggests that they didn't change it, because it was Trump that prevented his own assassination.

(L) Yeah. In a sense.

(Joe) They still intended to assassinate him. So they didn't change the program. The program was changed by other forces linked to Trump's higher self or whatever.

(L) Yeah. But it still is woven together.

(Joe) It is divine intervention, like they said.

(L) Yeah.

(Joe) Well, anything else Niall?

(Niall) On that? No.

(L) All right, moving on.

(seek10) One quick question, Laura. Is it the good guys in the Quorum who intervened?

A: Not the right concept.

Q: (Niall) Yeah. Remember the Quorum thinks in terms of... it's not good or bad per se, it's what will work. And remember they were thinking of resistance and balance as well. If they were going to off Trump, when there's so much support for him, at least some among them realize that's a breach, that's going too far.

(L) It's like Ra said, you know? If they go against the free will of humanity, STS gets degaussed.

(Joe) There's blowback.

(L) Yeah, serious blowback.

(Joe) Because in one of the last sessions, when talking about the Quorum and program changes, they said that the Quorum was meeting to affect changes, to produce more control. And we discussed it. But that control would lead to more resistance because more balance is needed. So it brings in the question of whether these people in the Quorum are aware of the broader scale of things.

(L) They might have lost control completely, if they had actually succeeded.

(Joe) Right. And they're aware of the broader dynamics involved and how balance is needed. But you know... because it is weird, they're planning to create resistance by introducing some kind of pandemic or some things that are going to make people suffer...

(Andromeda) Some sort of extra control...

(Joe) ...that will cause resistance. And that creates more balance, right? So it's almost like the idea of people who are intending evil but doing good.

(Andromeda) Right.

(Joe) But they're aware of that as well, at the same time. So it's probably kind of high-level stuff. And it's not so simple.

(L) It's a way of thinking that we don't... we hardly can fathom.

(Joe) It's big picture thinking, you know?

Most of those excerpts make it sound like the "program change" was not related to Trump's assassination but to something bigger that has yet to happen "watch the land sea and skies". They also said that the quorum meeting which was "indirectly" related to the "program change" and was to "determine the future of earth" and that more control was going to be imposed because there wasn't enough resistance for resistance. Unless, of course, the assassination fo Trump would have produced much more serious knock-on effects than we thought for the world at large. In the end, in the Aug session, they said explicitly that the program change WAS the planned assassination of Trump, so I suppose we have to take that at face value.

Anyway, the whole thing left me wondering how such a supposedly high level group could have planned the assassination of Trump without realizing it would be a forbidden infringement of free will and therefore a no go and, as a result, give Trump a massive boost that essentially won him the election by a large margin. I know 'wishful thinking gets ya every time' but this one was a doozie that essentially got them the exact opposite of what they intended, and according to the Cs, the quorum themselves had to make the decision to not assassinate Trump, yet they obviously didn't actually pull the plug on the attempt because the attempt went ahead. Maybe an answer to this confusing matter is that one part of the quorum wanted to go ahead but another put the kabosh on it by manipulating Trump to move his head at the right time? Who knows. Anyway, just thought I'd share.

 

[taratai]

Perhaps "the program change" is related to the right-wing pushback to left-wing insanity: they saw that backlash will be too severe if they will keep pushing it further, so they decided to loosen up a bit and bolster up the right, to give it momentum to rise. That would imply letting Trump to win, among other things.

Of course, that would also mean diverting part of that momentum in a direction that is beneficial to the control system. I don't really want to try to guess what it will be, but the Cs mentioned that there will be a right-wing pushback, and that our "overseers" might appear to us again, as blonde nordics.
So they might want to create a situation that, in the end, will require space saviors to come down and help us, while the culture not being predominantly anti-white anymore.

(though i think The Woke is so hateful of blonde whites that they would be actually willing to accept literal space lizards helping us, so why not push it further to that point? too revealing? i don't know... )

 

[Persej]

Was thinking about the "program change" mentioned in three sessions this year, starting in March, and wanted to try and understand it better because it's not exactly clear, at least to me.

So they brought up the change themselves in March.

Most importantly, this quorum meeting related only INDIRECTLY to the program change.

Most of those excerpts make it sound like the "program change" was not related to Trump's assassination but to something bigger that has yet to happen "watch the land sea and skies".

Well, 10 days after the session, Halley's Comet started coming back. And the last time it was here was 38 years ago. And the Quorum had the previous meting two years before that. I wonder if the meetings are connected to that comet?

 

[Bluegazer]

Anyway, the whole thing left me wondering how such a supposedly high level group could have planned the assassination of Trump without realizing it would be a forbidden infringement of free will and therefore a no go and, as a result, give Trump a massive boost that essentially won him the election by a large margin. I know 'wishful thinking gets ya every time' but this one was a doozie that essentially got them the exact opposite of what they intended, and according to the Cs, the quorum themselves had to make the decision to not assassinate Trump, yet they obviously didn't actually pull the plug on the attempt because the attempt went ahead. Maybe an answer to this confusing matter is that one part of the quorum wanted to go ahead but another put the kabosh on it by manipulating Trump to move his head at the right time? Who knows. Anyway, just thought I'd share.

Perhaps what happened at that meeting is that the STS half ended up with a divided opinion because the STO half WARNED them of what would happen with those changes. In that sense and as STO responds to the call of both STO and STS, they simply gave their point of view of the one who sees things as they are and not as one wants them to be. The STS half simply followed their wishful thinking, only in the attempt, trying to dodge the karmic bullet. The final effect is that it gave people a chance to develop more resistance. That is, the STS half had to make compromises. Accept that people become more resistant or take the bullet. STS lost some control. If they violated the will of the people, they would lose even more control. 4D chess at its finest.

 

[Windmill knight]

Anyway, the whole thing left me wondering how such a supposedly high level group could have planned the assassination of Trump without realizing it would be a forbidden infringement of free will and therefore a no go and, as a result, give Trump a massive boost that essentially won him the election by a large margin. I know 'wishful thinking gets ya every time' but this one was a doozie that essentially got them the exact opposite of what they intended, and according to the Cs, the quorum themselves had to make the decision to not assassinate Trump, yet they obviously didn't actually pull the plug on the attempt because the attempt went ahead. Maybe an answer to this confusing matter is that one part of the quorum wanted to go ahead but another put the kabosh on it by manipulating Trump to move his head at the right time? Who knows. Anyway, just thought I'd share.

I'm glad you brought this up because my wife and I had a conversation about it recently, wondering along similar lines. We sat down and re-read the same passages you quote above, and we couldn't quite figure it out. However, we did have a couple of ideas that might contribute to the puzzle.

First, how come elections are stolen all the time in many countries and those are mass violations of free will too, yet we can assume those have been no big deal for the STS hierarchy since the elites are still there and so are we? What was different about Trump in particular? One thing is, that him being elected or not has global repercussions (Ukraine, the ME, the global balance of power, woke ideologies, etc). Another, it seems that a lot of people understood that (I don't think many people normally understand why they vote the way they do, except superficially), not just in the US but around the world. Finally, and this might be the most important part, a significant number of people were praying to protect Trump, according to the Cs, and what he represents. It kind of suggests that praying and understanding of a situation has a lot more weight than simply having an intention to vote one way or another. A million people may choose to support a candidate or an ideology but if they barely know why, maybe that doesn't have that much of an impact on 'upper levels' and on the consequences for 3D as perhaps a thousand who do understand and pray! So when Trump was scheduled to be killed, the 4D types could have done it anyway, but seeing a strong will of the masses against that, as expressed through consciousness and prayer, they simply allowed the prayers to do their stuff, rather than interfering further and getting a big karmic bill.

Second, the non-assassination of Trump was one central element of the program change, but perhaps not the only one. The Cs hinted at different points at Ukraine and Russia, Israel, Earth and Cosmic changes, and when Joe asked about a virus they replied 'Not yet' (they didn't simply say 'No', sort of implying that it was indeed part of the picture). So maybe we shouldn't think of one event as the program change, but rather a number of somehow interconnected events, all of which put together are the program change. If you look at the state of the planet from a 4D perspective with a higher form of intelligence, it all must seem pretty obvious and transparent, but for us it's super complicated to grasp, if not impossible. I imagine it's kind of what the Cs once told Laura about learning 'mossaic thinking', as opposed to linear thought, but taken to a 4D level.

Perhaps "the program change" is related to the right-wing pushback to left-wing insanity: they saw that backlash will be too severe if they will keep pushing it further, so they decided to loosen up a bit and bolster up the right, to give it momentum to rise. That would imply letting Trump to win, among other things.

We did wonder about the left-right divide as well. That maybe the tighter control will apply mostly to one side of the spectrum, somehow - perhaps to the left, since they are totally controlled at the moment and they could use some balance. That would fit with a pushback against anti-Israeli protesters, as well as allowing a Trump win. Further down the road, right-wingers may feel empowered to take things too far by targeting lefties. And maybe eventually the left will wake up (re-balance) and recover some of the lost values that were actually useful to the people, unlike the woke stuff, etc. Who knows.