Session 17 May 2014

Eboard10

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Divide By Zero said:
Hmm, very interesting with the credit in the formula. So it makes more sense that deflation happens, because nobody will have real money in the bank, just credit- which will dry up.

At this time it will be very scary and dangerous, because with deflation comes lower raises or pay cuts. At the same time , like mentioned, prices will go up for necessities, but go down for frivolities.

Yes, deflation is a real threat to the economy and that's why central bankers try to inflate the currency supply. Only problem is that they seem to be blind to the fact that increasing credit availability does the exact opposite of the assumed outcome. The Great Depression was a clear example of this and it's surprising how modern day economists aren't able to see it.

The only 'positive' aspect that I see is that real estate and farmland prices will be hit hard so if you have capital to invest in before the next crisis begins, it will then become a lot cheaper to buy property to build communities where needed. This is something that FOTCM could consider. Here's an article on the subject that might be of interest:

_http://www.businessinsider.com/great-depression-real-estate-bubble-2012-5

The Great Depression's Farmland Bubble Looks Eerily Like Today

The housing bubble during the Great Depression was caused by overvaluation of properties and easy access to credit.

Sound familiar?

Greater credit availability makes the economy more sensitive to any shocks, according to a recent study by Raghuram Rajan at the University of Chicago and Rodney Ramcharan of the Federal Reserve Board.

In the 1920's, anyone could get a big loan for a farm or a house. But when the markets tanked and people lost their jobs they found they couldn't sell their property for the same value they bought it.

Here's what the study had to say about the effects of easy lending on the economy:

Our evidence suggests that the rise in asset prices and the build-up in associated leverage was so high that bank failures (resulting from farm loan losses) were significantly more in areas with greater ex ante credit availability. Moreover, the areas that had greater credit availability during the commodity price boom had depressed land prices for a number of subsequent decades – probably because farm loan losses resulted in the failure of banks that lent to farmers, and depressed agricultural credit in subsequent decades.

The study's findings about the cause of the mortgage bubble hit home today, with an estimated 23 percent of Americans underwater on their mortgages.
 

happyliza

The Living Force
Words of advice for teenagers from 1959. Still true today. Except I think we could call it "words for adults" as well.

(I can’t copy the words as they are on an image but the link is below).

https://www.facebook.com/BeneathMyHeart/photos/a.376145224565.155202.256983959565/10152143280574566/?type=1&theater


I managed to finally rent my house yesterday on the exact terms I was asking- so something positive is finally happening on my own financial blocks!!!
Was finding a feather in the meat compartment of my fridge an acknowledgement of my relief? How on earth would it have got there otherwise?




A: More than that, it means that total engagement in energy exchange with the network. If a person benefits from the efforts of others and there is no return energy, there will be blocks of all sorts in their lives.

Q: (L) Okay, when you say, "There will be blocks of all sorts in their lives"... Blocks of what kind?

A: The blocks will reflect what it is that they are unable to give. If a person cannot be sincere, they will experience people in their personal lives who are not sincere with them. If a person devalues another's efforts, they will find their own efforts devalued. If you need to unblock a certain area of your life, make the effort to give what you want or need yourself.

Q: (L) But are you talking particularly about people engaged in the Work, or just anybody in general?

A: Anybody, but double in the work.
 

lilies

Dagobah Resident
Q: (L) Okay, when you say, "There will be blocks of all sorts in their lives"... Blocks of what kind?

A: The blocks will reflect what it is that they are unable to give. If a person cannot be sincere, they will experience people in their personal lives who are not sincere with them. If a person devalues another's efforts, they will find their own efforts devalued. If you need to unblock a certain area of your life, make the effort to give what you want or need yourself.

This effect truly works! I had an idea: What do I value that I can donate?
Because I found that by simply deciding about an amount and going through the motions of mouse clicks, does not elicit a valuing-response signal in my mind.

- that I should truly donate the price of an edible item[that I really value and researched so its toxin free]. Buying it regularly in my favorite grocery store and value it, because it serves as reward after a stretch of hard work, helps relax and rest and have some good time. It has a real psychological value so if I sacrifice that item by not buying it, but donate its price to FOTCM, I'm seriously, psychologically valuing QFG's efforts as the best psychological reward-item, I could find in that store. If I consciously decide not getting it and but give its value to FOTCM it leaves a psychological "imprint effect" in my mind.

So basically the idea is, if people value something - plan to buy a nicely performing piece of computer hardware for example - that they can get later too and donate the price of that valued, treasured thing, I think this creates the needed psychological valuing effect somewhat comparable to the described visualizing energetic effect, while walking on that treadmill, as was described by Laura.

It works in a truly truly surprising, exhilarating way. I mean, I already resigned to tanked summer sales. Thinking that "everybody" is on holiday, nobody is working. So nobody is buying from my store. So I will get to see tanked sales during the whole of June and as a result get depressed more, right?? NO! For a summer period, that was always slow (past years experience), the sales are holding up surprisingly good. Refreshingly surprising - this unblocking effect really needs to be emphasized -, that shakes me up, is the keyword. This whole unblocking process is very much energizing, like finding a small spring in a desert that gives cool water, it is revitalizing my soul.
 

lainey

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
lilies said:
Q: (L) Okay, when you say, "There will be blocks of all sorts in their lives"... Blocks of what kind?

A: The blocks will reflect what it is that they are unable to give. If a person cannot be sincere, they will experience people in their personal lives who are not sincere with them. If a person devalues another's efforts, they will find their own efforts devalued. If you need to unblock a certain area of your life, make the effort to give what you want or need yourself.

This effect truly works! I had an idea: What do I value that I can donate?
Because I found that by simply deciding about an amount and going through the motions of mouse clicks, does not elicit a valuing-response signal in my mind.

- that I should truly donate the price of an edible item[that I really value and researched so its toxin free]. Buying it regularly in my favorite grocery store and value it, because it serves as reward after a stretch of hard work, helps relax and rest and have some good time. It has a real psychological value so if I sacrifice that item by not buying it, but donate its price to FOTCM, I'm seriously, psychologically valuing QFG's efforts as the best psychological reward-item, I could find in that store. If I consciously decide not getting it and but give its value to FOTCM it leaves a psychological "imprint effect" in my mind.

So basically the idea is, if people value something - plan to buy a nicely performing piece of computer hardware for example - that they can get later too and donate the price of that valued, treasured thing, I think this creates the needed psychological valuing effect somewhat comparable to the described visualizing energetic effect, while walking on that treadmill, as was described by Laura.

It works in a truly truly surprising, exhilarating way. I mean, I already resigned to tanked summer sales. Thinking that "everybody" is on holiday, nobody is working. So nobody is buying from my store. So I will get to see tanked sales during the whole of June and as a result get depressed more, right?? NO! For a summer period, that was always slow (past years experience), the sales are holding up surprisingly good. Refreshingly surprising - this unblocking effect really needs to be emphasized -, that shakes me up, is the keyword. This whole unblocking process is very much energizing, like finding a small spring in a desert that gives cool water, it is revitalizing my soul.
Wow, I had never thought of it like that. Perhaps I shall experiment and let you know the results. To sacrifice something I really want but don't necessarily need. Or perhaps I could sell something I have a bond to which I am willing to give up in order to donate a little extra. Thanks!
 

Mike

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
(Nicholas) I have kind of a personal question here, about how to maximize my FOTCM donations. I have an investment in the stock market that's not doing very well, and I'm wondering I should just bail out now or should I be patient and hope for some better returns?

A: The future for stocks is not very good.

Q: (Aleana) Is that in the near term, or is there a timing...?

A: 11 months.

Q: (Nicholas) I'm shorting the market, so I'm wondering if that's a good position to be in.

(L) You never know.

The recent dive the US stock market indexes are taking made be think of the above. Looks like the C's are pretty good stock callers - lol.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average and S&P 500 peaked in mid-May 2015, which is about 12 months since this session, and recently taking a big dive. http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/djia and http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/SPX (look at the 1 yr chart for both). The NASDAQ peaked in July.

I'd say this is a hit for the C's.

And makes me think about the exchange below and how far along until we hit the no money part. Looks like the economic systems worldwide are starting to go crazy, so maybe the process to get to that point is starting to accelerate.

(Aleana) Well, that's my plan, because I want to be a part of the North Carolina community. But I want to come with something, but if I should pull it out and invest it all in the community and do whatever we need and not worry about having money for the future, that's fine.

(L) Yeah, because... Well, let's ask that. How do you want to ask it?

(Aleana) I was thinking about paying off my car and takng the rest of it and investing it in the house and then if I get social security, great, but if not I can work. I'm not real sure about how to say that. I mean, is that a good plan?

A: Very good in fact because there will soon be no money. Notice that banks are already making gestures toward confiscating funds.
 

thorbiorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Q: (L) Another question?

(Horseofadifferentcolor) I was kind of curious about Ukraine: the Cs once said in the past that Nazi Germany was a test run for everything that is happening today. Since the Nazis are kind of back in action over there, I was wondering if this is a continuation of what that was, or if it's just the US and their greed and their normal games? Or if there was something different about this Ukraine issue?

A: A combination. There has long been survival of Nazi ideology in various places. It has been encouraged by similar forces in the USA and Israel.
In the following article there is some history and an example of the survival of Nazi ideology. It comes after the introductory paragraphs about the situation in Bolivia in November 2019. I don't know if the thesis Thierry Meyssan argues about Bolivia is correct, but the history behind the coup is the part that is interesting in this context. I inserted a couple of links to the Wikipedia.
Bolivia, laboratory of a new destabilization strategy
by Thierry Meyssan
The international press reports the events in Bolivia with caution. It describes the overthrow of President Evo Morales, evokes yet another coup d’état, but fails to identify what is really happening. It does not see the emergence of a new political force, hitherto unknown in Latin America. For Thierry Meyssan, if the continent’s religious authorities do not immediately assume their responsibilities, nothing can prevent the spread of chaos.
VOLTAIRE NETWORK | DAMASCUS (SYRIA) | 26 NOVEMBER 2019
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The new president of the Plurinational State of Bolivia brandishes the "Four Gospels" and denounces the "satanic rites" of the Indians. Contrary to comments in the international press, she doesn’t attack the Indians as an ethnic group, all of whom are Christians, but imposes religious fanaticism.

On October 14, 2019, President Evo Morales told a GigaVision television interview that he had recordings of the preparation of a coup by far-right figures and former military personnel if he won the presidential election [1].

However, it was not exactly a coup d’état, but a simple overthrow of the constitutional president. There is no reason to believe that the new regime will be able to stabilize the country. This is the beginning of a period of chaos.

The riots that have driven the President, Vice-President, President of the Senate, President of the National Assembly and First Vice-President of the Senate to flee one after the other since October 21st have not ceased with the induction of the Second Vice-President of the Senate, Jeanine Áñez, on November 12th as Acting President. Her political party has only four deputies and senators out of one hundred and thirty. On the contrary, the appointment of a new government without indigenous people led the Indians to take to the streets instead of the killers who drove out the Morales government.

Everywhere, there is inter-ethnic violence. The local press reports public humiliations, rapes and counts the deaths.

While it is clear that President Áñez is supported by the army, it is not clear who drove her predecessor out. It could be a local force or a transnational corporation or both. The cancellation of a mega-lithium exploitation contract could have pushed a competitor to invest in the overthrow of the president.

Only one thing is certain: the United States of America, which is pleased with the turn of events, has not provoked them, even though US citizens and officials are probably involved, as the director of the Russian SVR, Sergei Naryshkin, has indicated.

The publication of a recording of a conversation between Colombian Foreign Minister Claudia Blum and her ambassador in Washington, Francisco Santos, in a café in the US capital leaves no doubt [2]: today US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is against any intervention in Latin America. He has already abandoned Venezuela’s self-proclaimed president Juan Guaidó, plunging anti-Maduro Colombia into disarray, and refuses any contact with the many Latin American coup apprentices.

It appears that the appointment of Elliott Abrams as US Special Representative for Venezuela was not only a bargaining chip for the closure of the Russian investigation by Prosecutor Robert Mueller [3], but also a way to put an end to the neo-conservatives in the administration. This "diplomat" behaved so badly that in a few months he destroyed any hope of US imperialist intervention in Latin America.

Moreover, the US State Department is a field of ruins: high diplomats come to testify against President Trump before the House of Representatives committee charged with dismissing him.

But if the Trump administration is not leading the way, who is? Obviously the networks installed by the CIA in the 1950s to 1970s have beautiful remnants. Forty years later, they are still alive in many Latin American countries and can act on their own with little external support.

The shadows of the past

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Ante Pavelić, leader of the Ustasa militia, and his protector, the Catholic Archbishop of Zagreb, Mgr. Alojzije Stepinac. The former is considered one of the worst criminals of the Second World War, the latter a Blessed One because of his fight against Titism.

When the United States decided to contain the USSR, the first director of the CIA, Allen Dulles, and his brother the Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles, exfiltrated Axis militiamen all over the world to fight against the Communist Parties. They were brought together in an association, the World Anti-Communist League (WACL) [4], which organized in Latin America the "Condor Plan" [5] aimed at organizing cooperation between pro-US regimes and at assassinating revolutionary leaders wherever they sought asylum.

Bolivian general-president Alfredo Ovando Candia (1965-70) entrusted the Nazi militiaman Klaus Barbie (the "butcher of Lyon") with the hunt for the Argentine Che Guevara, whom he succeeded in eliminating in 1967, as he had done, in 1943 with the leader of the French Resistance, Jean Moulin. During the dictatorships of General Hugo Banzer Suárez (1971-78) and Luis García Meza Tejada (1980-81), the same Klaus Barbie, assisted by Stefano Delle Chiaie (a member of the Gladio who organized Prince Borghese’s failed coup), restructured the police and secret services.

However, after the resignation of US President Richard Nixon, the United States engaged in a major unpacking of the Church, Pike and Rockefeller commissions on the CIA’s secret activities. The world only discovered the foam of the waves, but it was already far too much. In 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed Admiral Stansfield Turner as head of the CIA with the mission to clean up the service of its Axis collaborators and change pro-US regimes from "dictatorships" to "democracies". Hence the question: how were Klaus Barbie and Stefano Delle Chiaie able to supervise the repression in Bolivia until August 1981?

Clearly, they had managed to organize Bolivian society in such a way that they could do without the support of the White House and the CIA. They could be satisfied with the discreet help of a few senior US officials and the money of a few multinational companies. This is probably the same way the 2019 putschists acted.

During the anti-communist period, Barbie had facilitated the installation of Croat Oustachis who had facilitated his flight from Europe. This terrorist organization, created in 1929, claimed above all a Catholic identity and had the Holy See’s support against the Soviets. During the inter-war period, it carried out many political assassinations, including the one in France of the Orthodox King Alexander I of Yugoslavia. During the Second World War, it allied itself with fascists and Nazis, while preserving its specificity. It massacred the Orthodox, but enlisted Muslims.

In total contradiction with original Christianity, it promoted a racialist vision of the world, not considering Slavs and Jews as human beings in their own right [6] The Ustashi, including their leader Ante Pavelić, fled Europe at the end of the Second World War to Argentina where they were welcomed by General Juan Perón. But some refused his policy and split. It was therefore the hardest group of people who emigrated to Bolivia [7].

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For the neo-Oustachi Luis Fernando Camacho, "Bolivia belongs to Christ! "; a truism that no one disputes in a country where 98% of the population is Christian. What is he talking about exactly?
The Ustashi in Bolivia
Whatever the ethical reasons, it is always difficult to deprive oneself of a weapon. It is therefore not surprising that the collaborators expelled from the CIA by President Carter still collaborated with Ronald Reagan’s Vice-President and former CIA Director George Bush Sr. Some of them formed the "Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations" [8] mainly Ukrainians [9], Baltics [10] and Croats. All these criminals are in power today.

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Concert by a neo-Ustashi group in Zagreb in 2007.

The Bolivian Ustashi have maintained links with their brothers in arms in Croatia, particularly during the 1991-95 war when they supported Franjo’s Christian Democratic Party (HDZ) Tuđman In Bolivia, they created the "Santa Cruz Youth Union", a militia known for its ratonades and murders of Aymara Indians. One of its former leaders, lawyer and businessman Luis Fernando Camacho, is now president of the Pro Santa Cruz Civic Committee. He is the one who openly leads the nerves that drove the Aymara Evo Morales out of the country.

Identically, it seems that the new Commander-in-Chief of the Army, Iván Patricio Inchausti Rioja, is of Croatian Ustasa origin. It is he who leads the repression against the Indians with carte blanche to kill from President Jeanine Áñez.

The strength of Bolivian Ustashi does not come from their numbers. They are only a small group. Yet they managed to drive out President Morales. Their strength comes from their ideology: the instrumentation of religion to justify crime. In a Christian country, no one spontaneously dares to stand in the way of people claiming to be with Christ.

All Christians who have read or heard the new president announcing the return of the Bible or the Four Gospels to the government - she does not seem to make the difference between the two books - and denouncing "the satanic rites of the Indians" have been shocked. All believed that she came from some kind of sect. No, she’s a fervent Catholic.

For several years now, we have been warning against supporters at the Pentagon of the Rumsfeld/Cebrowski strategy who wish to do in the Caribbean Basin what they have done in the broader Middle East.
Technically, their plan came up against the lack of a Latin force comparable to the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda. All the manipulations were the traditional opposition of "liberal capitalists" against "21st century socialists". Not anymore, I don’t. From now on, a political current within Catholicism advocates violence in the name of God. It makes chaos possible. Latino Catholics are in the same situation as Arab Sunnis: they must urgently condemn these people or be caught up in their violence.

Thierry Meyssan
[1] Bolivie: Morales redoute un coup d’Etat s’il gagne les élections, AFP, 15 novembre 2019.
[2] Exclusivo: audios de polémica charla entre embajador Francisco Santos y la nueva canciller Claudia Blum, Publimetro Colombia, 20 de noviembre de 2019.
[3] “Venezuela, Iran: Trump and the deep state”, by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Pete Kimberley, Voltaire Network, 21 May 2019.
[4] “The World Anti-Communist League: the Internationale of Crime”, by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Anoosha Boralessa, Voltaire Network, 12 May 2004.
[5] Operación Cóndor, 40 años después. Stella Calloni, Infojus (2015).
[6] En 1823, le poète Antun Mihanović, influencé par le romantisme allemand s’interrogea sur une possible origine non-slave des Croates. À partir de cette hypothèse romantique, Ante Starčević théorisa la justification de l’indépendance croate face aux autres peuples des Balkans. C’est sur cette base que les Oustachis ont construit leur idéologie racialiste, indépendamment du nazisme. Les Nazis, qui auraient dû considérer les Croates comme des sous-hommes et en faire leurs esclaves, trouvèrent commode de les mobiliser à leurs côtés en feignant de croire à ce mythe. Cf. The Racial Idea in the Independent State of Croatia. Origins and Theory, Nevenko Bartulin, Brill (2014).
[7] Nationalism and Terror. Ante Pavelic and Ustasha Terrorism from Fascism to the Cold War, Pino Adriano and Giorgio Cingolani, Central European University Press (2018).
[8] Old Nazis, the new right and the Republican party, Russ Bellant, South End Press, 1988.
[9] “Who are the Nazis in the Ukrainian government?”, by Thierry Meyssan, Voltaire Network, 3 March 2014. “The Ukraine: Neo-Nazi criminal state looming in the centre of Europe”, by Andrey Fomin, Oriental Review (Russia), 25 February 2014. “Neo-nazis trained by the US”, by Manlio Dinucci, Translation Anoosha Boralessa, Il Manifesto (Italy), 10 February 2015. “Nazi Demonstration in Kiev”, Translation Anoosha Boralessa, Voltaire Network, 17 October 2017. « Le vivier Otan de néonazis en Ukraine », par Manlio Dinucci, Traduction Marie-Ange Patrizio, Il Manifesto (Italie), 23 juillet 2019.
[10] “Latvian President Rehabilitates Nazism”, by Thierry Meyssan, Voltaire Network, 16 March 2005. “Right to reply by the Latvian government”, Translation Pete Kimberley, Voltaire Network, 14 October 2018.
While the article above makes one think of the right the modern left has tendencies going in the same direction although the right is not forgotten either. I have highlighted the passages
Q: (L) Well, is it accurate or correct to derive from this Jungian business some of the philosophical or psychological foundations of the current American liberal postmodern movement?

A: Indeed!

Q: (L) So some of Jung's ideas of the anima and animus and the hermaphroditic nature of the soul and so forth were foundational to the current liberal paradigm of sexual fluidity?

A: Yes. And notice well that this conflicts directly with objective reality.

Q: (L) Well, according to the postmodernists, there is no objective reality. They say that everything people think is completely culturally conditioned, and one truth is no more true than another truth or whatever.

A: That will backfire tragically. Think "Tower of Babel."

Q: (L) So, in other words, this whole postmodernist conception of there being no objective truth is similar to the attempt to build a Tower of Babel?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) The Tower of Babel was to be unable to speak the same language.

(Andromeda) It was to reach heaven.

(L) They were joining together to build this tower in order to reach heaven, and then God made them all speak different languages and scattered them all over. So the “unification of the masses” under the umbrella of Postmodernism has its own seeds of destruction of society contained within?

A: Right. Think of the strong fascist trend of the modern left.


Q: (L) Like the anti-smoking thing and trying to force vegetarianism, and “cultural diversity” and so forth. They have decided that they will arbitrate what people shall and shall not do under the guise of accepting all and anything that people might or might not do. It’s utterly bizarre. I'm trying to get through this Detmer book I'm reading about it but it’s difficult to imagine people coming up with things that are so retarded; I think it’s safe to say they are schizoid psychopaths because the thinking style is so characteristic. And they miss the big flaw: If everything is culturally conditioned or if there is no objective truth, then what a leftist says is equally culturally conditioned and as subject to the same conditions that what they say is not true either...

(Andromeda) Right. It should be...

(Pierre) The similarity with the Tower of Babel is that those people got together to become gods. It's the same as what the left is doing because they deny nature and the objective nature of the universe. And then they create “their” truth, and what they say is the truth, so they replace god.

(L) So in other words, this whole left attempt to take over our world is sort of what 2nd Thessalonians referred to as man attempting to take the seat of god in the temple, so to speak?

A: Yes. The Beast.

Q: (L) Okay, well that's pretty interesting; there’s a lot of beastliness in our world today. I was reminded when I was thinking about all of this postmodernism and this Jungian business about something that was said in a session back in 2002 or 2001 or whenever; it was about frequency resonance vibration. And then there were mentions in the transcripts about frequency resonance robots and frequency resonance pied pipers. Basically, then it was said that the plan was to get bodies to resonate in such a way that 4D STS could download directly - if only temporarily - into this reality. So, is that what is happening with a lot of these groups of leftists and postmodernists inspired by Jung and the postmodernist philosophers and sociologists?

A: Indeed. But do not get misled by labels because the right has similar tendencies.
 

goyacobol

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
@thorbiorn ,

Thank you for that history of how the Bolivian government has been manipulated by former Nazi influences. It was like shinning a flashlight on the dark forces of evil.

These evil STS forces are like maggots infesting everything they can eat. I think the Gladio connection shows how criminals and psychopaths join together across ideologies to achieve a common goal.

For years the idea of the far left and far right coming full circle arrive at the same authoritarian position of control made a lot of sense to me.

A: Indeed. But do not get misled by labels because the right has similar tendencies.

It is also supported by a false Christianity that leads the masses to their own destruction.

We are truly in need of a new Christianity based on truth. I think the Cs were right about Paleochristianity as the only hope for humanity.

Session 30 May 2009:
Q: (L) Okay, what is the importance of Paleochristianity?

A: The only hope for the survival of your realm and species.
 
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