Session 19 July 2014

[zaarus]

I'm no sure if it were ever a matter of interest in any session, but could you possibly reveal the truth of the catastrophy of Polish government plane in Smolensk?

Welcome to the forum, zaarus.

I'm not sure about the sessions, but this topic deals extensively with your query: Part of Polish gov members including president probably dead in plane crash

As it so happens, the latest post (# 157) from Nienna in that thread says:

Along with reading through this thread, there are several articles about this crash on SOTT.net. Just put Smolensk in the search function.

Here is one for starters:

http://www.sott.net/article/208992-Smolensk-Crash-A-Wake-Up-Call-For-Us-All

Hope this helps a bit. :)

Thank you for your help :)

 

[ripvanwinkle]

Perceval) It seems to me that this might apply to a lot of forum members who have been just quietly absorbing the information, but unable to do anything with it because of all this programming and stuff. The seed of knowledge has been planted in those people, but they haven't actually done anything with it.
Regarding this ...I know that I'm not so active in the forum, because English is not my language I do speak Spanish, but I do can read and understand English very well, and also because Here where I live I don't know anybody who read Laura and the cassiopaeans..or else...but I 've been reading laura for more than 4 or 5 years..and all the sessions..sometimes is a lonely situation....the only thing I can do is slowly but steady making my own choices..it is not easy because I don"t share it with friends or family, in the minute you are going to say something different , people don't want to ear or think more of what they just see.....but the seed is here with me..and sometimes I wonder what for? but anyway
thank you, thank you ,for being here all the members of the forum and the C'S , Laura ,and the team.....wonderful as always this last 2 sessions
wow!! This is amazing...<3 :)

piliangie,
I very well understand how you feel. You're not alone. There is only one person I know personally that reads SOTT and the Cassiopaean information. Between the two of us, we feel very isolated in this world. But, at least I have one person to talk to. I have also tried to talk to people about the Cassiopaean material and the events that are happening around the world and it's rare that I don't get back either ridicule, a condescending smile or just a blank stare. I read the SOTT pages daily, have read many of Laura's books and occasionally read the forums but, I too seldom post. There were times that I wanted to share a news article or video that I thought would be helpful or interesting to someone but after searching the forum found it already there. In a certain way, the forum has kind of morphed into a database. Try to stay focused and aware piliangie. I would like to mention to the mods that I would like to help in any way possible. I'm not sure in what area I could be most helpful but certainly it could be somewhere. Just point me in the right direction.

Perhaps you could get involved as a SOTT translator or proof reader? I know they have some spanish folk on board already. Maybe you could join them?
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,31252.0.html

Unfortunately, English is my only language. Thanks for the link though. Maybe it will give me an idea for something that I can contribute with.

 

[lainey]

Perceval) It seems to me that this might apply to a lot of forum members who have been just quietly absorbing the information, but unable to do anything with it because of all this programming and stuff. The seed of knowledge has been planted in those people, but they haven't actually done anything with it.
Regarding this ...I know that I'm not so active in the forum, because English is not my language I do speak Spanish, but I do can read and understand English very well, and also because Here where I live I don't know anybody who read Laura and the cassiopaeans..or else...but I 've been reading laura for more than 4 or 5 years..and all the sessions..sometimes is a lonely situation....the only thing I can do is slowly but steady making my own choices..it is not easy because I don"t share it with friends or family, in the minute you are going to say something different , people don't want to ear or think more of what they just see.....but the seed is here with me..and sometimes I wonder what for? but anyway
thank you, thank you ,for being here all the members of the forum and the C'S , Laura ,and the team.....wonderful as always this last 2 sessions
wow!! This is amazing...<3 :)

piliangie,
I very well understand how you feel. You're not alone. There is only one person I know personally that reads SOTT and the Cassiopaean information. Between the two of us, we feel very isolated in this world. But, at least I have one person to talk to. I have also tried to talk to people about the Cassiopaean material and the events that are happening around the world and it's rare that I don't get back either ridicule, a condescending smile or just a blank stare. I read the SOTT pages daily, have read many of Laura's books and occasionally read the forums but, I too seldom post. There were times that I wanted to share a news article or video that I thought would be helpful or interesting to someone but after searching the forum found it already there. In a certain way, the forum has kind of morphed into a database. Try to stay focused and aware piliangie. I would like to mention to the mods that I would like to help in any way possible. I'm not sure in what area I could be most helpful but certainly it could be somewhere. Just point me in the right direction.

Perhaps you could get involved as a SOTT translator or proof reader? I know they have some spanish folk on board already. Maybe you could join them?
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,31252.0.html

Unfortunately, English is my only language. Thanks for the link though. Maybe it will give me an idea for something that I can contribute with.

My only language is english too. I do proofreading for the SOTT talk radio shows that get transcribed for the hard of hearing.

 

[Maat]

My only language is english too. I do proofreading for the SOTT talk radio shows that get transcribed for the hard of hearing.

And which serves of base for translation in others languages too ;)

 

[dredger]

Hi all,

Regarding "explosion in Ukraine, nuclear or chemical", this recent news is obvious :
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gJeHhpPSz0

 

[Rabelais]

Session Date: July 19th 2014

Q: (L) Okay. We're going to change topics here. As you know, we just had this plane fall out of the sky over the Ukraine. Immediately the US blamed Russia, and then it started blaming the Russian-aided freedom fighters in East Ukraine. Meanwhile, the Russians say it was clearly the Ukrainians in conjunction with US/NATO/UK/Whoever. So, I guess the first thing we ought to ask is: What brought the plane down?

A: [Spiraling] Bomb on the plane placed there prior to departure.

Q: (Pierre) Schiphol airport, again! The famous Underwear Bomber place! So, MOSSAD?

(L) Who was involved?

A: Note change in altitude for "signature".

Q: (Perceval) From 35 to 33...

(L) 33. Is 33 the clue?

A: Yes. Consortium. And who is at the top of this STS pyramid??

Q: (Perceval) Figures.

(L) Who is at the top of this pyramid? And who is at the top?

(Perceval) MOSSAD.

(L) MOSSAD? The Israelis?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) It seems the goal was to further demonize Putin and Russia. But was it also to distract from what's happening in Palestine?

A: Absolutely!

I was doing some research on Malaysia and the Malaysian Prime Minister, Najib Razak, today and came across this in Wikipedia:

The government of Malaysia has long been a strong supporter of the Palestinian cause against the Israeli occupation of the West Bank.[59] Malaysia also supports unity between the Palestinian Fatah and Hamas factions. Najib visited the West Bank with his wife Rosmah Mansor, escorted by senior officers of the Malaysian government.[60] Najib Razak became the first Muslim leader from South East Asia to set foot on Palestinian soil...

This would seem to offer a solid motive as to why Malaysia Air was the selected carrier at Schiphol to be the doomed plane.

 

[Puma]

Session Date: July 19th 2014

Laura, Ark, and Andromeda at the board
Pierre, Perceval, PoB, Chu, Kniall, Bubbles, Oxajil, Terran, Alana, Timotheos, Parallel, Athena, Data

(L) Well, let me ask this: 20 years ago, on 3rd December 1994, you gave a series of short little prophecies. Being so long ago, they kind of hit to the side, but one of the first was, "Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear". The second one was: "Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military." And those two were juxtaposed next to each other, and there was a semicolon and period, and then the next sequence began. The next sequence was a series of earthquakes in California, destruction of California, Mount Lassen, several other volcanoes along the west coast of the US erupting, the sea floor subsiding, and so forth.

{3 Dec 1004: Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear. Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military. More California seismic activity after 1st of year: San Diego, San Bernardino, North Bakersfield, Barstow: all are fracture points. Hollister, Palo Alto, Imperial, Ukiah, Eureka, Point Mendocino, Monterrey, Offshore San Luis Obispo, Capistrano, Carmel: these are all stress points of fracture in sequence. “Time” is indefinite. Expect gradual destruction of California economy as people begin mass exodus. Also, Shasta erupts; Lassen activity. Ocean floor begins to subside.

Getting to my question: Was that “Hawaii crash” a reference to what has happened here recently, like for example with MH 370 and MH 17? Even though the original was Hawaii, I would say Malaysia is in the Pacific more or less, so it's kind of sideways... Was that a reference to these events, even that far in advance?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) So that was seen that far in advance as a marker, as a major event. There's been a lot of stuff that has happened since then that they didn't mention. So, why did that one stand out 20 years ago? Why did this event stand out so strongly? Are we all screwed?

A: Interpretation is key. The elements here are metaphoric. That far in advance it can only be approximate. However, note the confluence of major elements in terms of similarity.

Q: (L) So, Ukraine obviously has been known in advance as a flashpoint, and there is some awareness of... Could it be said that these sorts of things were already in the minds of some planners that far in advance?

A: Yes.

[...]

END OF SESSION

Chemical Plant in Ukraine was attacked, causing three large explosions and a release of a deadly cloud of chemicals in Donetsk, Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLEdzgaa13s


Gregor Peter &#8207;@L0gg0l 3m
BREAKING - UKRAINE'S DEFENSE MINISTER SAYS RUSSIA ATTACKED LUHANSK AIRPORT WITH TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPON pic.twitter.com/vvOJg8mbdX


RT says it was a "munitions factory"

A powerful explosion occurred at a military plant in the rebel-held Ukrainian city of Donetsk after a shell hit it. A fire is now ravaging the damaged facility.

The plant was used for producing explosives and ammunition as well as for dismantling unexploded munitions collected on the battlefields. On Saturday morning, residents of the war-torn city heard a powerful blast, which was followed by a huge cloud of white smoke rising into the sky.


http://rt.com/news/189280-donetsk-explosives-plant-blast/

 

[Puma]

Another video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEJ_VSXqTDQ#t=23

 

[Puma]

Another video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEJ_VSXqTDQ#t=23

Last night's headlines crowed in bright red flashing text that Russia and Ukraine had (once again) agreed a cease-fire and terms over the borders between the two nations. Perhaps not surprisingly, mere hours later, Ukraine is claiming that Russia has broken the truce... with the use of a tactical nuclear weapon at Luhansk airport.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-20/military-plant-east-ukraine-devastated-massive-explosion-kiev-blames-accuses-russia-

 

[Niall]

Q: (L) Okay. We're going to change topics here. As you know, we just had this plane fall out of the sky over the Ukraine. Immediately the US blamed Russia, and then it started blaming the Russian-aided freedom fighters in East Ukraine. Meanwhile, the Russians say it was clearly the Ukrainians in conjunction with US/NATO/UK/Whoever. So, I guess the first thing we ought to ask is: What brought the plane down?

A: [Spiraling] Bomb on the plane placed there prior to departure.

Q: (Pierre) Schiphol airport, again! The famous Underwear Bomber place! So, MOSSAD?

(L) Who was involved?

A: Note change in altitude for "signature".

Q: (Perceval) From 35 to 33...

(L) 33. Is 33 the clue?

A: Yes. Consortium. And who is at the top of this STS pyramid??

Q: (Perceval) Figures.

(L) Who is at the top of this pyramid? And who is at the top?

(Perceval) MOSSAD.

(L) MOSSAD? The Israelis?

A: Yes

The later 23 August 2014 session included this exchange:

(Perceval) I have a question. Was the cockpit of MH17 shot at by a jet?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) Was the point of that to kind of take out the pilots so that they couldn't communicate or whatever, and then the bomb in the plane would go off afterwards?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) Fair enough. It figures.

RT is reporting today, very nearly on the one-year anniversary of the terror attack, that Russian aviation experts have identified an Israeli Python air-to-air missile to be the likely culprit for taking out the pilots.

 

[thorbiorn]

(L) Well, let me ask this: 20 years ago, on 3rd December 1994, you gave a series of short little prophecies. Being so long ago, they kind of hit to the side, but one of the first was, "Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear". The second one was: "Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military." And those two were juxtaposed next to each other, and there was a semicolon and period, and then the next sequence began. The next sequence was a series of earthquakes in California, destruction of California, Mount Lassen, several other volcanoes along the west coast of the US erupting, the sea floor subsiding, and so forth.

Getting to my question: Was that “Hawaii crash” a reference to what has happened here recently, like for example with MH 370 and MH 17? Even though the original was Hawaii, I would say Malaysia is in the Pacific more or less, so it's kind of sideways... Was that a reference to these events, even that far in advance?

A: Yes.

On April 26, was the 33 anniversary, if you like, of the Chernobyl accident. A couple of days later there was this article translated by Stalkerzone.org Why Ukrainian Parliamentarians Started Talking About the Possibility of a Repeat of the Chernobyl Catastrophe • Stalker Zone

Why Ukrainian Parliamentarians Started Talking About the Possibility of a Repeat of the Chernobyl Catastrophe
April 28, 2019 Stalker Zone
The deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Sergey Shakhov said that some nuclear power stations in Ukraine became “time bombs” due to a lack of control of safety. According to the parliamentarian, he regularly receives complaints from employees of nuclear power plants and such a situation can lead to a repetition of the tragedy that happened in Chernobyl in 1986. Emergency situations happen at Ukrainian nuclear power plants very often. Experts consider that the authorities of the country do not allocate a sufficient amount of financing for this sphere, which leads to a lack of qualified personnel. In addition, in attempt to break off all relations with Moscow Kiev tries to buy fuel elements in the West, however they are not suitable for the reactors constructed by the Soviet specialists.

 

[Michal]

I would like to understand what Laura ment in those words: Aristotle still holds sway.
From this conversation of this session:
[...]

A: First of all notice that the STS side uses two hooks: money and promises of power. It is not so much "unity of purpose." Secondly, just as you have learned from your studies of psychology and from the work of Gurdjieff, people with the genetics for "soul" or conscience are very wounded by the programming of family and society.

Q: (L) So, it's their wounds, their programming, their buffers as Gurdjieff says, that keeps them all pointing in dozens of different directions with different opinions, ideas, wounds, fears, and so on. And that prevents unity. Is there anything that can change that?

A: Sure!

Q: [laughter] (L) What?

A: Work or a huge shock!

Q: (Perceval) A huge shock like a giant fireball? Giant meteorite or an earthquake?

A: Some cosmic activity might do it provided the seeds of knowledge have been planted as you have been doing for years now. As we once said, from the fire comes light. There are several levels of meaning there.

Q: (L) Cosmic fire, maybe?

A: Yes!

Q: (Pierre) Cosmic activity can help this seed to grow?

(Chu) No, I don't think that's what they're saying.

(L) I think they're saying that that's the shock. And if there is a seed there, and if there is any potential in the individual, if the shock doesn't kill them, then...

(Pierre) So the shock due to cosmic activity is what will make the seed grow?

(Ark) No!

(Chu) The seed of knowledge has to be there for people to interpret it, right?

(L) I think they already have to have it inside them, then they get a shock, and then afterwards...

(Pierre) Yeah, the shock makes the seed of knowledge grow...

(Ark) No! The knowledge cannot grow by shock. The knowledge can grow only if you get more truth. Shock may only cause the seed to do some job.

(L) Like what?

(Ark) I mean, because you may know things, know things, know things... and do nothing! And then, there comes shock, and then you realize that your knowledge - you were not using your knowledge!

(Perceval) It seems to me that this might apply to a lot of forum members who have been just quietly absorbing the information, but unable to do anything with it because of all this programming and stuff. The seed of knowledge has been planted in those people, but they haven't actually done anything with it.

(L) But when it becomes real...

(Perceval) When they realize that, "Holy shit, this isn't just theoretical! A fireball just blew the crap out of Washington, DC!"... God willing... [laughter] Suddenly it's true for them, and it may activate the knowledge that they've been growing slowly inside.

(L) In other words, it will kind of like blow the fear away because what's really holding people back is fear: these programs, these buffers. That's what Caesar said last week. He said to be true to your inner nature, and fear nothing. You have to get to the point where you fear nothing. You have to get to the point where you can say “It’s a good day to die” like Black Elk said before going into battle.

(Chu) But there's also the other side of the coin in people who think that things don't apply to them, or they can learn that tomorrow, or...

(L) Or it's happening over there, and not here... That’s why working on SOTT is so important; it provides LOTS of shocks!

(Chu) I was telling people this morning in the kitchen that I watched a video. It's really shocking. It's a meteorite that fell in Argentina. People saw the light, the crater. The authorities covered it up really quick. And you see a hundred people at least, protesting that the authorities are lying, and that it wasn't a gas stove burning the house down. But NONE of them was able to say it was a meteorite because none of them had the frame of reference. And it was SO frustrating hearing these people saying, "People are lying to us! We want the truth!" They were shouting. But none of them, it never occurred to them... They thought it was like a missile, or an attack...

(L) Well, it's like the chemtrails issue. They KNOW that the government is lying to them, and so they create this elaborate conspiracy theory that the government is spraying masses of chemicals in the upper atmosphere. Every single plane that makes a contrail is automatically a chemtrail producer.

(Chu) And it's usually the cosmic connection that is not in people's minds. It has to be the government, it has to be some kind of force or whatever, so it seems to me they're saying it has to be...

(L) Aristotle still holds sway.

Is this something negative here expressed? I am not sure about it.
In this context people learning path was discussed: some people learn truth but not doing much or nothing about it. Then comes shock which may activate "seeds of knowledge" in people and somehow help people to be fearless and live up to their true inner nature.
Then @Laura brings Aristotle that he still holds sway.
So You @Laura ment what exactly?

 

[benkostka]

I would like to understand what Laura ment in those words: Aristotle still holds sway.
From this conversation of this session:
[...]

Is this something negative here expressed? I am not sure about it.
In this context people learning path was discussed: some people learn truth but not doing much or nothing about it. Then comes shock which may activate "seeds of knowledge" in people and somehow help people to be fearless and live up to their true inner nature.
Then @Laura brings Aristotle that he still holds sway.
So You @Laura ment what exactly?

Michal, I’d read the end conclusions of Comets and the Horns of Moses where there’s a discussion about Aristotle. Around pages 388-389 she talks about how cosmological speculation fell off after Aristotle and we’ve essentially had that view ever since. Anyway, it’s a good place to start if you have the book.