Session 28 June 2025

[axj]

Precisely... Matrix Vol. IV (or V, if memory serves me right) presents Robert Monroe under the umbrella of Kyle Griffith's War in Heaven.

I don't know how accurately they present Robert Monroe's ideas. I am relying on what he reported in his own three books.

 

[cbi]

I don't know how accurately they present Robert Monroe's ideas.

Matrix V presents Monroe's ideas accurately, IMHO. Following Michael Topper's death (aka “Marshall Telemachus,” “Mother Terasu,” and “Morris Tarantella”), as the only author who had read Oahspe, Hilarion (Maurice Cooke), Ra Material, Jacques Vallée, Gordon Creighton' FSR, Kyle Griffith, etc., John Grace drew on Robert Monroe's ideas to complete the esoteric puzzle.

 

[Mark7]

According to the C's women blamed men for the cataclysm, so it is not clear whether it was a patriarchy or matriarchy or something else that was in power during the final downfall of the Atlantean civilization.

If, on some level, the Earth is a giant machine, where human suffering is the main product, then any fissures in humanity must be aggravated by the PTB, which seems to have created a Karmic wheel of suffering that grinds through eons of time because humanity lacks a certain perspective. All the punishments for eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil sound like something designed to cause human suffering. We desire to serve each other, but we are also driven to compete in the world of STS. We end up with parents and children, and husbands and wives competing with each other - the most important relationships.

I wonder how many times the 'winners and losers' had traded places by the time the Pentateuch was written, which we know now was written much later than we thought.

Genesis 3:15

And I will put enmity between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel

Genesis 3:16

Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.

Combine that with all the other punishments for a simple mistake by a naive country bumpkin up against the Lord of Darkness, and we have a sad and miserable humanity.

But 'he who learns must suffer' it seems.

 

[Harr077]

It’s been mentioned a few times in this thread that we are STS. But there seems to be some grey area on this subject.

There is an understanding we’ve gotten from the C’s transmissions that there was in the past a push to make people more evil and selfish so that it would create human bodies or vehicles that 4D STS entities could then enter into. The fact that 4D STS had to do that shows us that the average human is not sufficiently polarised towards STS for a being who is for all intents and purposes fully polarised towards STS to inhabit them.

This shows us that it’s not black and white, and we shouldn’t think of humans as being simply STS. What we should be factoring in is the idea of FRV, and that our dial from STS to STO can be - and is - altered and adjusted through decision making.

I think the fact that this concept - written about extensively by Laura in The Wave - is so easily forgotten is because the idea that we are just STS can be conveniently used as a crutch and as an excuse for not making enough of an effort to fulfil our STO potentials.

finishing the last “Wave” section atm. Super interesting and I acknowledge all the work done and still going
It seems we are like the swinging pendulum of sorts and the “All” is balanced through natural progression from STS to STO through our own choices/ free will. And vice versa. Maybe chances to change every 300k years ?!
It seems for eternity in 3D! Though hard to understand at the levels above without time.
Try to enjoy the ride I guess. Learning is the key to progression and it seems the concept of Love is tied to Light energy and Knowledge is the Light energy. Knowledge = Light = Love…
Throw in that knowledge gives protection from the darkness the Lizzie’s are projecting.
Something to think about.

Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that point. You have said before that on this density we have the choice of being STS or STO.
A: Oh Terry, the battle is always there, it’s “when” you choose that counts!

With the approaching Wave and the possibility of progressing to 4D “for some” ,on an Earth that transforms as a new creation? Or does this 4D earth already exist but the wave gives some the opportunity to explore the next level?
With others staying for a cataclysm in 3D and another 300k years of learning gulp…

 

[Harr077]

Regarding the above

Q: (J) Go back to what they said before: “Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.”

(T) We, as the human race, used our free will to switch from STO to STS.

(L) So, at some level we have chosen the mess we are in and that is the super ancient legend of the fallen angel, Lucifer. That is us. We fell by falling into that door, so to speak, going after the pot of gold, and when we fell through the door, the serpent bit us!
A: But this is a repeating syndrome.
Q: (L) Is it a repeating syndrome just for the human race or is it a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation?
A: It is the latter.
Q: (L) Is this a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation simply because it is the cyclic nature of things? Or is it as the Indians call it, Maya?
A: Either or.

 

[T.C.]

finishing the last “Wave” section atm. Super interesting and I acknowledge all the work done and still going
It seems we are like the swinging pendulum of sorts and the “All” is balanced through natural progression from STS to STO through our own choices/ free will. And vice versa. Maybe chances to change every 300k years ?!
It seems for eternity in 3D! Though hard to understand at the levels above without time.
Try to enjoy the ride I guess. Learning is the key to progression and it seems the concept of Love is tied to Light energy and Knowledge is the Light energy. Knowledge = Light = Love…
Throw in that knowledge gives protection from the darkness the Lizzie’s are projecting.
Something to think about.

Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that point. You have said before that on this density we have the choice of being STS or STO.
A: Oh Terry, the battle is always there, it’s “when” you choose that counts!

With the approaching Wave and the possibility of progressing to 4D “for some” ,on an Earth that transforms as a new creation? Or does this 4D earth already exist but the wave gives some the opportunity to explore the next level?
With others staying for a cataclysm in 3D and another 300k years of learning gulp…

Sounds like your reading of The Wave has been fruitful! I think you’ve got a very good grasp of the key concepts.

On the idea of whether the 4D Earth is being created, or already exists for some who can progress to inhabit it, if time doesn’t really exist and is just one of the ways we break up reality in order to experience it, then what we think of as a 4D Earth should theoretically exist ‘already’.

 

[Harr077]

Sounds like your reading of The Wave has been fruitful! I think you’ve got a very good grasp of the key concepts.

On the idea of whether the 4D Earth is being created, or already exists for some who can progress to inhabit it, if time doesn’t really exist and is just one of the ways we break up reality in order to experience it, then what we think of as a 4D Earth should theoretically exist ‘already’.

Yes. Many possibilities.
If we are thinking it. It is possible?! I always go back to the Kybalion “The universe is mental”.
My simple thoughts on learning that Energy measured at the quantum level, has a rock made of the same stuff as a man this thought is what started me thinking differently.

Now fast forward to “The Wave” series.
I’m open to possibilities though have always been skeptical on the aliens thing.
Yesterday’s “Wave” reading (my take. Please excuse my poor memory) has Us being planted here on Earth by possibly “future Us” from the Orion area.
cut and paste from C’s: “The most heavily populated region of your Milky Way galaxy! This is a region that extends across 3rd and 4th density space for a distance as vast as the distance between your locator and it. There are 3,444 inhabited “worlds” in this region. Some are planets as you know them. Some are artificially constructed planetoids. Some are floating space barges.”

Ok. When I think the “Wave” has given me everything. Next turn steps up the hill of knowledge
Reading between the lines they mention that the Lizzie’s are owned by Orion STS (not sure what density) to which they are pets to some. Being used to manipulate humans for feeding purposes?!

Also. We may in fact in 4D, be the ones that choose who inhabits the Earth. Well our descendants…
“A: Here comes a shocker for you … one day, in 4th density, it will be your descendants mission to carry on the tradition and assignment of seeding the 3rd density universe, once you have the adequate knowledge!!!”

The “Wave” certainly has me questioning existence on a whole other level now…
I come to this forum in hope of discussion on “the wave” and any other — journey towards 4D topics though am finding it hard to navigate the noise.

Lots more reading to do. Where would I find more information on how to increase toward our 4D frequency ?
Is it natural progression and not something to rush?
My plan is to read “Amazing Grace” next.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Ricardo]

Yes. Many possibilities.
If we are thinking it. It is possible?! I always go back to the Kybalion “The universe is mental”.
My simple thoughts on learning that Energy measured at the quantum level, has a rock made of the same stuff as a man this thought is what started me thinking differently.

Now fast forward to “The Wave” series.
(...)

In case you haven't checked these links : Searchable Transcripts, Transcripts by date , Casswiki , CassBooks in epub format or Online.
Additionally many of the books in the recommended reading list are available in pdf format online , if one's looking in the right places.

 

[Breo]

Lots more reading to do. Where would I find more information on how to increase toward our 4D frequency ?

Another important aspect is diet as pointed out in this link in your welcome message. In this section you will find lots of information on the impact of diet on the increase or decrease of frequency.

 

[MJF]

Harr077 said: Also. We may in fact in 4D, be the ones that choose who inhabits the Earth. Well our descendants…

“A: Here comes a shocker for you … one day, in 4th density, it will be your descendants mission to carry on the tradition and assignment of seeding the 3rd density universe, once you have the adequate knowledge!!!”

This statement always makes me think of the mirror universe stories in the various Star Trek TV series. In one universe, humans as part of a peaceful federation seek to be STO as far as possible and use space travel to learn more about other intelligent species and the universe generally. However, in the other alternate universe the human or terran civilisation has become an evil, expansionist empire that is completely STS orientated.

I appreciate that Gene Roddenberry, Star Trek's creator, was involved in channelling sessions with a group of entities calling themselves 'the Council of Nine' or the 'Ennead', a term linked historically with the nine principal deities of ancient Egypt, including Ra. Whether he gleaned the notion of a galactic federation from his channelling experiences I can't say but I understand the Council of Nine may have referred to many of the things that he incorporated into the original Star Trek series and later in his follow-up series Star Trek the Next Generation.

Early on in the transcripts the C's spoke of two groups occupying the Orion sector of our galaxy, one being the Orions (Empire), the other being the Orion Federation who seem to be in conflict with each other at the 4D level:
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Q: (L) Will there be a war in the sky with the aliens?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Will it be between Orions and the Federation?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Will it be visible on earth?
A: Oh, yes.
Q: (L) When will this be?
A: It has already started. Will intensify steadily.
Q: (L) Why are we not aware that it has already started?
A: Disguised at this point as weather. Fighting part still in other dimension. Will go to this one within 18 years. Anytime within this period. Not determinable exactly when. Could be tomorrow or 18 years.

It would seem the C's are allied to (if that is the correct term) the Federation:
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Q: (L) What group are you with?
A: Federation. Among many.

The C's subsequently confirmed that the Orion Federation were 4D STO here:

Q: (T) 4th density STO beings can actually help in a meaningful way! We knew there was both sides, but we never asked. We have been concentrating on the Lizards. (S) Yeah! There are 16 groups on both sides, and noboby has ever asked... (J) And by concentrating on the Lizards, we have been feeding their f______energy. (F) Their damn energy. (J) Their damn energy. (T) That DARN energy! Who are these 4th density STO beings that we need to contact? Obviously we need to talk to them because they can talk to us. Sixth density "Us" can't.

A: Orion Federation.

Apart from the STO Nordics, the Orion Federation also seems to include the Minturians (4D insect like beings) and the Pleiadeans:

Q: (V) I had an experience with Preying Mantis beings. Who are they?

A: Minturians.

Q: (L) Where are they from?

A: Orion.

Q: (L) Are the Orions the bad guys?

A: Subjective.

Q: (L) Well, what group do they belong to?

A: Federation as do the Plieadians.

Q: (L) Did they abduct me or what is the source of this memory?

A: It is a memory of a past life held in the deep subconscious level.

Q: (L) What did they do to me?

A: Retroprogramming for learning purposes.

Q: (L) For what?

A: Lessons are to be learned by you not told by us.

The C's then added:
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A: Find a "Nordic." They are on Earth posing as humans.

Q: (T) They are 4th density. I thought they...

A: Yes.

And these Nordics are seemingly Orions too:

Q: (L) Okay guys, you are telling us we are under attack, you are telling us it is going to get worse, you are telling us that maybe some of these other guys can help us out, what can we do in the meantime?

A: Prayers help but more is needed.

Q: (T) More than prayers is needed. So, we are on our own until we get contacted?

A: Find an Orion!!!

However, there seems to be an exact balance between the Orions and the Federation judging from what the C's said here:

A: Lyra is not inhabited. There have been homes in all places, but some were/are transitory, and some are not. Pay attention to Orion! This is your ancestral home, and your eventual destination. Here is the absolutely accurately accurate profile of Orion to follow: This is the most heavily populated region of your Milky Way galaxy! This is a region that extends across 3rd and 4th density space for a distance as vast as the distance between your locator and it. There are 3,444 inhabited "worlds" in this region. Some are planets as you know them. Some are artificially constructed planetoids. Some are floating space barges. And some are "satellites." There are primary homes, travelling stations and incubator laboratories all in 2nd, 3rd and 4th densities. There are overseer zones in 5th and 6th densities. Approximately one half is STO and one half is STS. Together, along with many other colonies, located elsewhere, this is called, in translation, Orion Federation. Orions created grays in 5 varieties, as cyber-genetic beings, and installed them on Zeta Reticuli 1, 2, 3, and 4, as well as on 2 planets orbiting Barnard's Star. The Reptilians also inhabit 6 planets in the Orion region in 4th density, and are owned by the Orion STS as slaves, and, in some cases, pets!!! The name "Orion" is the actual native name, and was brought to earth directly. Study the legend of the "god" of Orion for parallels.

Q: (L) Are the Orion STS the infamous red-headed Nordic aliens?

A: Yes, and all other humanoid combinations.

So, it seems the term "Orion" can be applicable both to STS and STO beings who inhabit the Orion sector of space, which also seems to include us here on Earth.

Given that the C's have also said that the Grays are time travellers, which allows them to manipulate the time line(s) repeatedly, one must assume that other 4D Orions have this capability too.

So, where the C's say "one day, in 4th density, it will be your descendants mission to carry on the tradition and assignment of seeding the 3rd density universe, once you have the adequate knowledge!!!”, does this mean the choices the human race make as we transition to 4D will decide if we get either Gene Roddenberry's peaceful Federation or the evil Terran STS empire should we lose the battle with STS forces over the 4D world that emerges post the Wave and the realm border crossing?

Yikes, I hope we don't become the Borg .​

 

[MJF]

axj said:

According to the C's women blamed men for the cataclysm, so it is not clear whether it was a patriarchy or matriarchy or something else that was in power during the final downfall of the Atlantean civilization.

Could it be that the final cataclysm that destroyed Atlantis was brought around by a conflict between the two philosophical/religious groups that Edgar Cayce referred to in his trances, i.e., the 'Sons of Belial' and the 'Sons of the Law of One':
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Q: Cayce talks about the division in Atlantis between the "Sons of One" and the "Sons of Belial." Was this a racial division or a philosophical/religious division?

A: It was the latter two, and before that, the former one.

Q: Well! That is not good!

A: Subjective... you are not bodies, you are souls.

Could these two groups have been similar in many ways to the Freemasons and Rosicrucians today in that they were all male brotherhoods, who possibly represented a prevailing patriarchy? If so, I could see why the surviving Atlantean women may have blamed them for the cataclysm, which could have in itself have been a repeat of what happened on Kantek.​

 

[T.C.]

Where would I find more information on how to increase toward our 4D frequency ?
Is it natural progression and not something to rush?

To my understanding, we don’t increase our 4D frequency. We can start to increase our STO frequency and reduce our STS frequency, though. One way would be to learn to recognise if/when we are violating other people’s free will and to stop doing it.

 

[mantle]

And another apart from the practice of restraint would be the avoidance of convenience.
I have always marvelled at the practice of the power of inhibition. In the classical sense.
the capacity of saying NO and carrying it out meaningfully.

 

[meadow_wind]

and the fact that children from single mother homes do insanely worse than children from two parent households and the children from single father homes. Put 2 and 2 together and you get that it's many western women motivated by government brainwashing campaigns and the prospect of cheating the free market of life and it's consequences, who are destroying the families and children themselves.

I'm sorry I did not have time to read/follow the whole discussion with all the details. I just happened to see this sentence while diagonally reading and I would like to point out that:

1- You issued a statement that sounds like an absolute. You can't simply state "this is a fact" when it's not, unless you bring forth studies, statistics, etc.

2- It seems like your view of the situation might be affected by your own experiences, but there are many variables, many different people, many different situations, many different fiscal situations depending on the countries/provinces/states.

3- I don't see why children from single-father homes would fare "insanely" much better than those from single-mother homes. This statement in itself does not make sense if you look at it from an objective angle.

This said, I AM a single mother and my kids are not only doing very well, they are also very mature and well behaved (compared to some others...). I've also met many single mothers who are doing well, very well, or not so well, and it's not a constant; it's variable in time, and variable with certain aspects of their lives.

 

[axj]

To my understanding, we don’t increase our 4D frequency. We can start to increase our STO frequency and reduce our STS frequency, though. One way would be to learn to recognise if/when we are violating other people’s free will and to stop doing it.

From what I understand, people can become 4D candidates on either the STO or the STS path, which involves the raising of the FRV or frequency at least on the STO path. Which seems to be basically the same as increasing our frequency towards 4D.