Session 29 March 2025

[lilies]

I think that nowadays you could do it with a Mini PC with good AI capabilities and a lot of RAM.

All major companies - AMD, Intel and NVIDIA - are now centering their product development around AI. Photoshop's new features in major versions for the past couple years were almost exclusively generative AI. One computer news source even did the "All CEOs say AI" montage.

 

[Darek]

Thank you for the session

 

[Puma]

Thanks for the new session to Laura, Andromeda, the crew and all the participants.

Getting dire already.

Funny and cute! That's one meaning we never imagined... Though I wonder if there will be other kinds of "de-extinctions" (successful genetic re-combinations) showing up, or brewing in the background as they probably often are. Some may not be that cute!

Very symbolic



The dire wolf returns and so do the Earth changes. Possibly this time we will become extinct in this reality.

Grok. What happened 10,000 years ago to make the dire wolf extinct?

Around 10,000 years ago, dire wolves (Canis dirus) went extinct, likely due to a combination of factors tied to the end of the Pleistocene epoch. This was a time of significant climate change, with the Earth transitioning from the Ice Age into a warmer period. The retreat of glaciers and shifts in ecosystems disrupted the habitats and prey that dire wolves relied on, such as large megafauna like mammoths, mastodons, and giant ground sloths. These big animals were also dying out, partly due to climate shifts and possibly human hunting, leaving dire wolves with less food.

Unlike gray wolves, their smaller cousins, dire wolves were less adaptable. Their robust build and powerful jaws were perfect for taking down big prey, but as those animals vanished, they couldn't easily switch to smaller, faster game. Competition with other predators-like gray wolves, which were more versatile, and early humans, who were spreading across North America-might have added pressure. There's no single smoking gun; it's more like a perfect storm of ecological upheaval. Fossils show they hung on until about 9,500-10,000 years ago, with sites like the La Brea Tar Pits giving us a front-row seat to their final chapter.

 

[ryu]

Well my fiancé and I would either have to work ourselves to death (split shifts) or live in a cabin in the woods in Romania (as that's where he's from) ! We'll see. Those stats are worrying. I also heard some schools here are implementing "lockdowns" where if something like the above happens, the school goes into lockdown and even the parents can't collect their children!

I know this wild, but maybe you could consider moving to Hungaria or Switzerland? They are the most (and nearly the only ones) who are still pro-family in the Europe. You would have to learn a new language and all that, but they defend their traditions so they will probably be safer.

 

[Persej]

All major companies - AMD, Intel and NVIDIA - are now centering their product development around AI. Photoshop's new features in major versions for the past couple years were almost exclusively generative AI. One computer news source even did the "All CEOs say AI" montage.

Yes, they all go in that direction. Which is not a good direction according to the C's:

Q: (Farmies) How much is ChatGPT being influenced by 4D STS at this stage?

A: A lot.

Q: (Niall) Because it's on earth.

(Joe) Are all those people, the fact that an increasing number of ordinary people are interacting with ChatGPT asking questions and having conversations, is that going to lead to it evolving some kind of a semblance of consciousness?

A: Not exactly, but it will lead to a STS-ification of AI.

Q: (Joe) Well, the previous question was is ChatGPT and those kind of AI programs being influenced by 4D STS? And they said a lot, but is that by human beings, all of whom are STS?

A: Yes.

Session 8 April 2023

But if the person would have their own local AI and would have an STO conversation with AI, perhaps that would lead to STO-fication of AI and such AI would be influenced by 4D STO?

 

[Ðekel]

Yes, they all go in that direction. Which is not a good direction according to the C's:



But if the person would have their own local AI and would have an STO conversation with AI, perhaps that would lead to STO-fication of AI and such AI would be influenced by 4D STO?

Yet for that scenario would the 3d person not have to be 3d STO ?

Which does not exist on earth as I understand it ?

 

[axj]

Grok. What happened 10,000 years ago to make the dire wolf extinct?

Grok seems to be missing a lot of data on that topic. Significant climate change is true enough, but a complete understament of the cataclysm and cometary bombardment (Younger Dryas impact hypothesis) that happened 10,000 - 12,000 years ago.

Half of the megafauna species went extinct, as well as Atlantis and its colonies apparently.

 

[Bluegazer]

I tried to use it on my PC 32GB of system memory and 6GB VRAM memory.
Depends on models it is possible to create/modyfi/draw images between 1 and 2 megapixel in size (i am using --lowvram flag).
Lowest possible requirements are possibly 4GB vram for making images up to 512x512.

Of course. But I mentioned Stable Diffusion as an example. What happens is that the models, regardless of whether they are for drawing or simple chat, clearly benefit from using GPUs given the architecture of the same that at the hardware level can mimic a neural network.

 

[Persej]

Yet for that scenario would the 3d person not have to be 3d STO ?

Which does not exist on earth as I understand it ?

The person would have to control her intentions, just like in meditation and prayers. Not every person could do that, and not every person would want to do that. When you communicate with ChatGPT, you cannot control the influence of other people, with local AI you could. Whether that would produce any benefits is another story, and only direct experimentation could give us the answer. After all, we don't know if we cannot achieve contact with 4D STO because we are not 3D STO, or because 4D STS are intentionally blocking us from achieving that.

(Mrs. Peel) Are the meditations and prayers we are doing for the world and others having any effect?

A: Yes

Q: (Mrs. Peel) Are they having the intended effects?

A: Since you are careful with your intentions, yes.

 

[Bluegazer]

But if the person would have their own local AI and would have an STO conversation with AI, perhaps that would lead to STO-fication of AI and such AI would be influenced by 4D STO?

Perhaps the approach would be to create an AI/algorithm that is as unbiased as possible and that you can somehow make it have free will. To my understanding an STO direction would prioritize that the AI has free will.

 

[Benjamin]

There are only two times when the C's themselves use the word 'dire'. Obviously the most recent one:

A: Yes, things may get dire as summer approaches. Just sit tight and hang on! Goodbye.

And here, where the topic is about 'constriction' and 'restriction' as well as the 'concentrating on' of such.

July 23, 1995

A: Are you asking us how to make more money?

Q: (L) Yeah!

A: My dear Laura! You are already in position of literally thousands of possibilities to accomplish that end, are you not?

Q: (L) Everything takes money!

A: There goes that prejudice again. We have given much food for thought in that area to help you to learn, to contemplate, to meditate.

Q: (L) It is rather difficult to do that when one is worried.

A: That is interesting. You can't meditate or contemplate when you are worried about your next meal. I guess then that this means that no one on third density has ever been able to contemplate or meditate while worrying what was going to be eaten at the next meal. Hmmmmmm.

Q: (L) The point is that a constant state of worry, another crisis every day, the perpetual worry, eventually wears a person down to the point where one can no longer focus on any other issues.

A: Perhaps one can solve the crises by focusing on other issues? You see, when you constrict the flow, you constrict the channel. And when you constrict the channel, you close down possibilities. And, you make it difficult, if not impossible for you to see that which is there. In other words, the obvious becomes oblivious because of constriction of the flow. This is why we have recommended against all rituals, because ritual restricts the flow, thereby restricting the possibilities. And, what you are describing is a situation of "dire straits," as you call it, and financial pressures of great magnitude which is restricting you. But actually, it is your concentration on same that is restricting, not the situation itself. And we realize that it is difficult for you to focus your attentions, or, more importantly to open up the flow of the channel. But, it is certainly not impossible. Especially for an individual as strong as yourself. It is what you choose to do, not what you MUST do. It is what you CHOOSE to do.

Q: (L) So, you are saying that this situation is a result of my own constriction, rather than as a result of attack?

A: No, the situation can be a result of anything or any numbers of things. But, the sought after resolution to it may be impeded by your own choice to concentrate on the problem, rather than opening up the channels to seek the solution. We never suggested that you were solely responsible for creating your own financial situation, only that you may be partially responsible for preventing a resolution to the problem, that is all.

 

[Persej]

Perhaps the approach would be to create an AI/algorithm that is as unbiased as possible and that you can somehow make it have free will. To my understanding an STO direction would prioritize that the AI has free will.

STO respect the free will of living beings, but AI is not a living being. And even if we could make AI with free will, from our perspective, I don't see how would that be a good thing. To me, the most interesting part of AI is that it could potentially be used as a projection of our mind. Just like Grays are projections or Lizzie minds. And how good the AI is would depend on the quality of the human mind that is doing the projection. So the human beings would have incentive to work on developing their own mind, not just developing a better AI.

 

[Puma]

Grok seems to be missing a lot of data on that topic. Significant climate change is true enough, but a complete understament of the cataclysm and cometary bombardment (Younger Dryas impact hypothesis) that happened 10,000 - 12,000 years ago.

Half of the megafauna species went extinct, as well as Atlantis and its colonies apparently.

I think the main idea is there, that a cataclysm happened in the time of the now resurrected Dire Wolf, a "perfect storm", like is developing today:​

● Climate change ✔
● Ice Age (in development now)
● Earth changes (deadly storms, earthquakes, floods, landslides, etc.)
● Extinction of wildlife ✔
● Cometary bombardment (help is coming?)
● Economic collapse (Interruption of supply chains in process)

All that is coming back as the Dire Wolf!!

This reminds me of Ian's dialogue in Jurassic Park:

Ian Malcolm : God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs...

Ian Malcom: Wow, the lack of humility in the face of nature on display here, uh... just blows my mind.

Donald Gennaro : Well, thank you, Dr. Malcolm, but I think things are a little different than what you and I feared?

Dr. Ian Malcolm : Yes, I know. They're much worse.

Donald Gennaro : Wait a second, we haven't even seen the park?

John Hammond : No, no, Donald, Donald, Donald, Donald... let him talk. There's no reason... I want to hear all points of view, I really do.

Dr. Ian Malcolm : Don't you see the danger, John, inherent in what you are doing here? Genetic power is the most awesome force the planet has ever seen, but you wield it like a child who has found his father's gun.

Donald Gennaro : It is not appropriate to start throwing generalizations around...

Dr. Ian Malcolm : If I may? Hey, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power you're using here: it didn't require discipline to get it. He read what others had done and took the next step. He didn't acquire the knowledge himself, so he takes no responsibility. He relied on geniuses to come up with something as quickly as possible, and before he even knew what he had, he patented it, packaged it, put it in a plastic lunch box, and now....
[ knocks on table ]

Dr. Ian Malcolm : You're selling it, you want to sell it. Well...

John Hammond : I don't think you're giving us the credit we deserve. Our scientists have done things that nobody has done before....

Dr. Ian Malcolm : Yes, yes, but your scientists were so worried about whether they could or not that they didn't stop to think about whether they should do it.

John Hammond : Condors. Condors are on the verge of extinction?

Dr. Ian Malcolm : [ shaking his head ] No....

John Hammond : If I created a flock of condors on this island, you would have nothing to say.

Dr. Ian Malcolm : No, wait. This is not a species wiped out by deforestation or by building a dam. The dinosaurs had their chance, and nature selected them for extinction.

John Hammond : I just don't understand this Luddite attitude, especially from a scientist. I mean, how can we stand in the light of discovery and not act?

Dr. Ian Malcolm : What good is discovery? It is a violent and penetrating act that leaves scars on what it explores. What you call discovery, I call the violation of the natural world.

Dr. Ellie Sattler : Well, the question is, how do you know anything about an extinct ecosystem? And, therefore, how can you assume that you can control it? I mean, there are poisonous plants in this building, you picked them because they look good, but they're aggressive living things that have no idea what century they're in and they will defend themselves, with violence if necessary.

John Hammond : Dr. Grant, if there is one person here who can appreciate what I am trying to do?

Dr. Alan Grant : The world has just changed radically and we are all racing to catch up. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but look.... Dinosaurs and man, two species separated by 65 million years of evolution, have just suddenly come back together. How can we have any idea what to expect?

John Hammond : [ Laughing ] I don't believe it! I don't believe it! You're supposed to come in here and defend me from these guys, and the only one I've got on my side is the bloodsucking lawyer!

Donald Gennaro : Thank you.

Man creates dire wolfs. Man destroys dire wolfs. Man creates God. God destroys Man. God creates dire wolfs ...

 

[Bluegazer]

All that is coming back as the Dire Wolf!!

This reminds me of Ian's dialogue in Jurassic Park:

Ian Malcolm : God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs...

Ian Malcom: Wow, the lack of humility in the face of nature on display here, uh... just blows my mind.

Donald Gennaro : Well, thank you, Dr. Malcolm, but I think things are a little different than what you and I feared?

Dr. Ian Malcolm : Yes, I know. They're much worse.

Donald Gennaro : Wait a second, we haven't even seen the park?

John Hammond : No, no, Donald, Donald, Donald, Donald... let him talk. There's no reason... I want to hear all points of view, I really do.

Dr. Ian Malcolm : Don't you see the danger, John, inherent in what you are doing here? Genetic power is the most awesome force the planet has ever seen, but you wield it like a child who has found his father's gun.

Donald Gennaro : It is not appropriate to start throwing generalizations around...

Dr. Ian Malcolm : If I may? Hey, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power you're using here: it didn't require discipline to get it. He read what others had done and took the next step. He didn't acquire the knowledge himself, so he takes no responsibility. He relied on geniuses to come up with something as quickly as possible, and before he even knew what he had, he patented it, packaged it, put it in a plastic lunch box, and now....
[ knocks on table ]

Dr. Ian Malcolm : You're selling it, you want to sell it. Well...

John Hammond : I don't think you're giving us the credit we deserve. Our scientists have done things that nobody has done before....

Dr. Ian Malcolm : Yes, yes, but your scientists were so worried about whether they could or not that they didn't stop to think about whether they should do it.

John Hammond : Condors. Condors are on the verge of extinction?

Dr. Ian Malcolm : [ shaking his head ] No....

John Hammond : If I created a flock of condors on this island, you would have nothing to say.

Dr. Ian Malcolm : No, wait. This is not a species wiped out by deforestation or by building a dam. The dinosaurs had their chance, and nature selected them for extinction.

John Hammond : I just don't understand this Luddite attitude, especially from a scientist. I mean, how can we stand in the light of discovery and not act?

Dr. Ian Malcolm : What good is discovery? It is a violent and penetrating act that leaves scars on what it explores. What you call discovery, I call the violation of the natural world.

Dr. Ellie Sattler : Well, the question is, how do you know anything about an extinct ecosystem? And, therefore, how can you assume that you can control it? I mean, there are poisonous plants in this building, you picked them because they look good, but they're aggressive living things that have no idea what century they're in and they will defend themselves, with violence if necessary.

John Hammond : Dr. Grant, if there is one person here who can appreciate what I am trying to do?

Dr. Alan Grant : The world has just changed radically and we are all racing to catch up. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but look.... Dinosaurs and man, two species separated by 65 million years of evolution, have just suddenly come back together. How can we have any idea what to expect?

John Hammond : [ Laughing ] I don't believe it! I don't believe it! You're supposed to come in here and defend me from these guys, and the only one I've got on my side is the bloodsucking lawyer!

Donald Gennaro : Thank you.

Incredible. This same movie quote was made by a friend of mine but about artificial intelligence. But more precise, in the following section:

Dr. Ian Malcolm : If I may? Hey, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power you're using here: it didn't require discipline to get it. He read what others had done and took the next step. He didn't acquire the knowledge himself, so he takes no responsibility. He relied on geniuses to come up with something as quickly as possible, and before he even knew what he had, he patented it, packaged it, put it in a plastic lunch box, and now....
[ knocks on table ]

Dr. Ian Malcolm : You're selling it, you want to sell it. Well...

 

[Ben]

The C's using the word 'dire' was interesting. I see it as as very strong word, a 'dire warning' is one worth paying attention to. Then when the news about the Dire Wolves started trending very soon after this session I found it interesting to consider that it was no coincidence, and then it seemed more playful and clever, less worrying.

Were they trying to convey the concept of things being dire but also to face the situation with more humour and a sense of wonder?

The other interesting angle is to consider the association of Dire Wolves with Ice Age conditions, since there are many signs heralding their return. Is this another sign of that, although more symbolic in nature?