I agree with your comment, and it's a good thing psychopaths don't have souls, the problem is they don't know it.
But unfortunately, there are beings with souls who choose the STS path. And it's them I'm referring to.
Reincarnation would be the "natural" path. Let me explain: if an Illuminati-underground individual dies accidentally, this would be a phenomenon their soul would inevitably have to confront.
But what if there's an artificial, programmed way to leave the body? It would be a kind of transhumanism, of passing, transmigrating, or exchanging your soul/consciousness to another body.
If you'd like to read more about my idea, you can continue reading in this thread:
I hope this is the right thread for the comment I'd like to develop.
This hypothesis stems from the exchange of comments in this thread:
Following this comment about reincarnation and the underground-Illuminati, I'd like to develop another related idea:
SOTTREADER
Well, by definition a psychopath doesn't have an individuated soul and so reincarnation is not possible for them.
I take your point though. I...
I find it curious that you have referred to "Illuminati-underground individuals" in your posts. I was thinking about this overnight, The C's have told us that there are less than 3,300 of Illuminati members scattered worldwide who are united by close blood ties. We also know they may be linked with the mysterious organisation called the Quorum, which the C's say is mostly alien but partly human too:
Q: (L) On a number of occasions we talked about the quorum and the Illuminati. They both seem to be the highest levels of secret organizations. What is their relationship to each other?
A: Quorum mostly alien; illuminati mostly human.
This suggests that there is also a non-human element within the Illuminati's ranks just to complicate matters further. Who are the non-humans I wonder? Are they the Lizard beings or 4D STS Nordics or a mixture of both and/or others who are in union with the Orion Empire?
We also know that the Illuminati sit on top of the Freemasonic network in all its guises. They can therefore use and manipulate this network to their own ends, as the case may be. This could explain why both the French and the American Revolutions, for example, were heavily led by Freemasons. I would suggest that at the highest levels of the Illuminati, the main big pooh-bahs are like wizards (back to the Wizard of Oz again
) or warlocks at the head of covens (indeed they are supposed to follow a coven like structure according to my reading).
You have presumed in your post a link between the Illuminati and the undergrounders, who represent the
Nation of the Third Eye, which is a connection Barnardo GA also made in his earlier post:
I wonder if the Illuminati need to infiltrate directly, which would be a problem for the reasons mentioned above, or if they actually use other resources, use beings raised underground for various missions on the surface, extreme mind control over members in key positions within the secret society, or anything else that solves the problem of physical appearance.
That is, domination, control, and direction of that secret society, without the need to be physically present in it.
For a reason, the Illuminati are represented by the character of the “Wizard behind the curtain.”
Perhaps we will manage to draw back that curtain at some point. It seems that our freedom is closely linked to that achievement.
Can we assume they work together for the same ends where the surface world is concerned? Perhaps they do since we know from the C's that the founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty was an undergrounder and the Rothschilds have certainly been linked to the Illuminati.
However, we also know that the Orion STS forces are factionalised and this can sometimes lead to in-fighting and even open warfare at times between competing groups, as witnessed in a battle seen over Nuremberg that was described in a contemporary broadsheet news article in April 1561 and depicted in an accompanying woodcut, which showed a mass sighting of celestial phenomena or UFO's seemingly locked in battle, as was confirmed by the C's in the session dated 23 August 2025:
(Joe) What was the cause of the 1561 and 1566 celestial phenomena over Nuremberg and Basel respectively?
A: Twofold:
- Cometary events including various plasma phenomena.
- Hyperdimensional forces utilizing the energy to engage in 3D warfare.
Q: (L) Was this STS vs STO forces?
A: No.
STS vs STS.
Q: (L)
So they fight amongst themselves?
A: Yes!
Q: (Joe) That's what it looked like because it looked like a hybrid of typical kind of cometary shower or plasma events plus kind of things being shot, things actually under conscious control as well, all at the same time. It makes sense as an explanation.
You will note here that here they were fighting at the 3D level, whereas the C's have said elsewhere that battles fought at the 4D level are only detected by us at 3D level by the manifestation of weather phenomena. Who these two competing forces were, we have no idea but I would not rule out the undergrounders, some of whom we know are bi-density beings, being one of the factions involved..
Whereas there are only 3,300 Illuminati members at most, the C's have said that there may be as many as 2 to 2.5 million undergrounders operating on the surface at any one time in places of influence. That's a large number. Do they all work in co-operation with the Illuminati or do they pursue their own agenda, as Napoleon Bonaparte (who may or may not have been a Freemason - a subject that led to a heated debate in another thread) seems to have done:
Session dated 1 November 2025:
Q: (Niall) Did Napoleon Bonaparte have a
specific life mission to help humanity at large?
A: No
Q: (Joe)
Was he a deep level punctuator... An undergrounder?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) So that suggests that his intent was nefarious.
(L) To create havoc.
A: Yes
This answer does not rule out though that he may have been operating in accordance with the designs of others such as the Illuminati/Freemasonry and the Nation of the Third Eye. Interestingly, Napoleon was known to pose for portraits with one hand inserted inside his tunic (see image below):
It should be noted that this "hidden hand" gesture is often linked to Freemasonry, although it was a common gesture adopted by great statesmen in portraits of the 18th and 19th centuries, which was intended to lend gravitas to them. Curiously though, in the mid-19th century, the term the "Hidden Hand" was also used by British Prime Minister and author (as well as being a member of the secret Orphic Circle)
Benjamin Disraeli to describe the Rothschild (descended from an undergrounder remember) family's influence in his 1844 novel
Coningsby.
According to Disraeli's biographer, Robert Blake, the character of Sidonia (an ardent Jewish nationalist) in the novel is a cross between
Lionel de Rothschild and Disraeli himself. I attach an interesting YouTube video where a Chinese
Professor Jiang Xueqin analyses the character of Sidonia in Coningsby:
Benjamin Disraeli and the Hidden Hand - Search Videos
It might come as a great surprise to Professor Jiang Xueqin to learn that the founder of the Rothschild dynasty,
Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744–1812), was an undergrounder rather than an Ashkenazi Jew. Although in recent transcripts the supposedly pre-eminent position of the Rothschilds vis-à-vis the Illuminati has been played down, there is no doubt that during the 19th century they were heavy hitters both financially and politically and they reputedly possessed the largest private fortune in the world, as well as in modern world history. Indeed, the Rothschild family dominated international finance in Europe between the 1820s and the 1870s, when their hegemony over European finance was finally broken by the establishment of joint stock banks. There is no question either they played a large behind the scenes role in the rise of Zionism, the creation of the state of Israel and the establishment of the Israeli secret service the Mossad, which the C's say is near the apex of the 3D consortium:
Session 17 August 2003:
(S) So is Mossad part of that?
A: Mossad is near the apex of the 3D consortium. The lines blur at that level.
Q: (Perceval) What's the relationship between the Mossad and the Rothschilds?
A: Mossad is a "brainchild."
It is fair to say though that the family's influence today is pretty minimal. If their ultimate mission was to create the state of Israel, as proposed by Professor Jiang Xueqin, then you could say that it is a case of "job done".
However, returning to the possible links between the Illuminati and the Nation of the Third Eye (the "undergrounders) who are all supposedly Aryan types, the C's seemed to suggest that they were the inspiration for the Illuminati as well as Masonic lore:
Q: (T) Absolutely. Martians are easier to accept. A lot easier to understand than densities! (L) Okay, [Nation of the] Third Eye. What is this?
A: That is what they call themselves when pressed for an explanation by surface types, such as yourselves. They were the inspiration for Masonic lore and Illuminati, too.
Q: (L) Does this "Third Eye" designation have a connotation of third eye abilities as we understand them?
A: Psychic.
{Laughter at the joke - "Rothschild" "Brainchild" - Discussion mainly Perceval) wondering whether the Rothschilds are part of the apex or if they are just useful idiots that are going to be double-crossed also. C's break in as Laura is not understanding Perceval's question.}
A: The lines blur. Rothchilds are similar in a smaller way to Sargon. Deep level punctuator.
Q: (L) What is a deep level punctuator?
A: One who emerges from seeming obscurity to "make a mark" on history. Don't you wonder where they come from. Think "deep."
Q: As in underground bases?
A: Well, what a concept!
This reference to "psychic" may tie in here with the subject of the underground army of Aryan psychic projectors which the C's called Thor's Pantheum:
Session 21 September 1996:
A: Part of a larger project.
Q: (L) And what is this project?
A: Called "Project Awaken."
Q: (L) And who is behind, or in charge of, this project?
A: Many.
Q: (L) Who are the primary group, groups or individuals? I'm sure you're not going to give us individuals, but just the grouping.
A: Thor's Pantheum.
Q: (L) And what is Thor's Pantheum?
A: Subselect trainees for transfer of enlightenment frequency graduation.
Q: (L) What is enlightenment frequency graduation?
A: Think!
Q: (L) Enlightenment frequency graduation... so, subselect trainees...
A: Self explanatory.
Q: (L) Well, is this group STS or STO?
A: Both.
Q: (L) OK... (T) Are they working at cross purposes?
A: No.
Q: (T) They're working together? Bipartisan?
A: No.
Q: (J) Are they aware of each other? Working on this?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) Are they screwing each other up? (L) No, that's going in the wrong direction...
A: There is more to all of this than you could dream.
Q: (T) There's more to all of this...were you referring to... Who are they? Thor's Pantheum. And they're subselect trainees...That's the group behind this movie; OK...
A: An army of Aryan psychic projectors.
Q: (T) Well, that explains a lot more than Thor's Pantheum of subselect trainees! An army of psychic projectors. (L) And what do they project?
A: Themselves... Right into one's head.
Q: (T) Into one's head... this is better than 'Must See TV!' (L) Project right into one's head... is anybody subject to this projecting?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And, when they project themselves right into someone's head, what does that someone perceive?
A: Inspiration.
[...]
Q: (J) To believe something? (L) Yes. So, how many are in this army?
A: 1.6 million.
Q: (L) When they're doing this projecting into someone's head, where are they projecting from?
A: Mostly subterranean. [MJF: which means that some could be operating on the surface world too]
Q: (L) Subterranean, so these are the people of the tunnels, the underground bases and all that sort of thing. Are they 3rd or 4th density beings?
A: Both.
Q: (T) Let me back up to a question here. If they can do all this projecting on their own, what was the point of the movie?
A: No, you misunderstand... This is an intense activity, directed towards influencing the high level creative forces.
You will note that the C's specified that Thor's Pantheum were engaged in projecting inspirational thoughts directly into the minds of those involved with the high level creative forces. It seems that this involves both STO and STS forces, which suggests a battle over these people's minds. And it may not just be the Aryan undergrounders who are involved in this process either since the C's suggested that the horror writer Anne Rice's work was influenced by the Greys too:
Q: (L) Who's read the book, what's it about? (T) I saw the movie but I never read the book. I can't stand his Gothic style of writing. (L) I can't stand to read his stuff either. (T) I only got half-way through Communion and gave it up. (L) Well, let me ask, while we are on the subject of writing, is Anne Rice channelling her concepts in her vampire books?
A: She also is influenced by the Grays.
{I didn't like that answer because Anne is one of my favourite authors.}
It was not just the C's who revealed the psychic influences of the undergrounders, since Benjamin Disraeli's friend and fellow minister in his Conservative Government, Lord Edward Bulwer-Lytton (a leading English Rosicrucian and head of the Orphic Circle), wrote Vril: The Coming Race in 1871, a novel which tells of a beautiful inner-Earth-dwelling Aryan race, the survivors of an ancient cataclysm [Atlantis], who travel in “air-boats” using “vril” energy and have amazing psychic powers by which they can project thoughts directly into a person's mind.
However, there appears to be other teams of subterranean undergrounders who engage in influencing surface humans involved in other spheres of activity including politics and the media:
Session dated 29 July 2023:
(Ze Germans) Are there
any conflicting 4D STS groups or races operating on the Earth at the moment or all of them are more or less cooperating with each other?
A: Not cooperating with each other. That is the wrong concept. They
operate under the control of an hierarchical system with an overlord pulling the strings or levers as the case may be.
Q: (L) So they don't play nicely with each other unless they're overseen by a dictatorial being who commands their obedience. Is that it more or less?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) And who's the overlord?
(L) Who's the overlord? Oh...
(Andromeda) Slip that one in...
A: You don't want to know!
Q: (Possibility of Being) I want to know.
(Joe) I don't want to know, but PoB does. [laughter]
(L) You think that's gonna fly?
(Joe) I'll cover my ears...
A: Science fiction is often inspired. Think of someone similar to the emperor, but far more virile.
Q: (Andromeda) Palpatine. From Star Wars.
[...]
(Ze Germans) How many humans/humanoids from the underground civilization are on the surface of the Earth at the moment?
(L) Who asked this question?
(Chu) The Germans.
(L) Germans. They ask weird stuff like that.
How many humans/humanoids from the underground? So, how many?
A: Varies with circumstances, but
average is about 2 to 2.5 million.
Q: (Andromeda) Walking around up top.
(Joe) And do these people know who they are? I mean...
A: Of course!
Q: (Joe) Okay. And do they have a mission that they're aware of? Do they know why they're walking around?
A: Indeed.
Usually acting as "handlers" or agents provocateur.
Q: (Joe) So from our perspective, their mission, it would be nefarious?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Are there any of them running that show over there in Ukraine?
A: Yes
Q: (L)
Are there any of them handling members of the US government?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Handling high-level members of other governments?
A: Yes
Q: (L)
Handling leaders of different types of, like, media or whatever, like influencers and such?
A: Yes yes yes.
Although this section of the transcript does not relate directly to their subterranean psychic projecting, may we conclude that even on the surface some of these undergrounders may practice some psychic influencing as their underground brothers do? This question may be partly answered by what the C's say below about Benjamin Netanyahu being controlled by mind manipulation:
Q: (Joe) So these people were born underground?
A: Yes
Q: (Andromeda) And raised underground?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) And then appeared as adults on the surface, got a job...
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) And who made them?
A: Lizards in cahoots with STS Orions.
Q: (Joe) So these are human beings. They're functionally the same, as human as other human beings? Like biologically the same as other human beings, or not?
A: Some genetic tweaks. Most were harvested from human mothers and incubated. [MJF: Does this include Queen Nefertiti with her strange elongated head?]
Q: (Gaby) So this is part of the hybridization program* that some experiencers or abductees recall?
A: Yes
Q: (Possibility of Being) Do they know good and evil the same way as we would understand it?
A: No
Q: (Joe) Are they - from our perspective - very much like mind-controlled beings in that sense? They don't have much free will?
A: Yes. And much like very efficient psychopaths.
Q: (L) Well.
(Joe) 2.5 million. They pop up and down.
(L) That's friendly.
(Joe) Where do they live normally when they're not on the surface? Where did they grow up and stuff?
A: Underground bases.
Q: (L) And they've described those.
(Ursus Minor) Who or what is making Netanyahu push Israel to the brink?
(L) I think we have that answer! [laughter] Already answered there! Is that something along the line of what these underground handlers would be doing?
A: Yes and also mind manipulation.
Q: (L) Well, some of these people, I swear, you know, I mean, I listen to some of these people, these crazy lefties or these governments, like the Schwab and Trudeau and Al Gore and John Kerry and all of these other people, you know, talking... And if they believe what they're saying, then they don't have enough intelligence to come in out of the rain. If they know that what they're saying is bullshit, then they are super, super evil.
(Andromeda) They're either super evil and lying, or super stupid and mind controlled.
(Joe) How long have these underground psychos been interfering with human affairs in this way?
A: Thousands of years.
Q: (L) That reminds me, remember when I asked the question about Sargon of Akkad? And they called him a deep level punctuator. Is that what a deep level punctuator is? Somebody who comes up and does stuff?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Well, I mean, 'does stuff' is pretty vague, but you... [laughter]
(Joe) Makes an impact.
(L) Yeah. Makes an impact on human society stuff.
(Niall) Did someone like him, Sargon of Akkad, thousands of years ago, emerge from a high-tech base and play a consciously evil role on the surface where he pretended to be an ancient?
A: They would be educated and trained in congruence with the society of the time. Memory wipe before implantation of mission. However, in earlier times the tech was not adequate so that the outcome was not always certain. [MJF: This answer confirms Barnardo GA's suspicions - see above.]
Q: (L) So you're saying that when they would take people and they would have them in underground bases or whatever, they would behave and dress and converse and everything, and the environment was matched to the environment on the surface more or less?
A: Yes
Q: (L) And before they would send somebody out and in some situations they would wipe their memories or, I mean... Are we talking about something that they would do when they were children and then send them to be raised in some way?
A: Some, [MJF: I would argue that this is true of Queen Nefertiti since there are accounts of her being raised as a child at the court of Amenhotep III, Akhenaten's father.]
Q: (L) And then you say that the outcome wasn't always certain because the tech wasn't adequate. You mean the manipulation tech, the hybridization tech?
A: Yes
Q: (L) The controlling of them kind of tech?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) Why was that tech not adequate? I suppose maybe you had to have a certain infrastructure on the planet of technology in order to control them on the planet...
A: Yes
Q: (L) Okay. And then there's the other thing... Was it also partly because the bloodline had not been purified enough?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And you say the outcome wasn't certain. What do you mean by the outcome of their plan? What do you mean that it wasn't always certain?
A: Some of the subjects were not sufficiently "evil".
Q: (L) So in other words, they would maybe turn good and turn on their creators and masters?
A: Yes.
*This reference to an hybridisation program makes me think of what the C's said here about a group of human hybrids mentioned in the Matrix material called the "Esseseni":
Session 14 October 1995:
(L) I want to ask about one thing from the Matrix material. I want to know who and what are the "Esseseni?"
A: Hybrids, new.
Q: (L) They are new hybrids? And what are they a hybridization of? What are the sources of the material for the hybridization?
A: Humans and grays [MJF: who are STS Orions].
Q: (L) Are the Esseseni positively oriented beings, as has been suggested by some?
A: Split.
Q: (T): Some STS, some STO?
A: Yes.
If the Esseseni form part of this undergrounder surface program, then I guess they would only use the STS types, as the STO orientated hybrids would not be much use to them. For more on this subject, I would recommend David Jacob's book The Threat. It makes for chilling reading.
So, there we are. Bibi is just a mind controlled puppet.
It seems that we are left with an STS program and agenda being pursued by both the Illuminati and the undergrounders (Nation of the Third Eye). It would be interesting to know how much they co-operate together (if at all) or whether they sometimes come into conflict with each other in the way the C's mentioned above? Do they all ultimately take their orders from the Emperor or STS overlord (who sounds a bit like the Christian Devil to me) who knocks heads together when there are disagreements?
If these undergrounders include people who are hybrids born of Earth mothers but with their genes tweaked, are the Illuminati a special group of such hybrids who have Lizard inspired genetics and carry the Lizard genes of power in undiluted form such as the C's said of the Perseids? Mention of the Perseids leads me to wonder whether the Illuminati bloodline has a connection with the Nordic Covenant the C's have referred to on several occasions:
Session 2 January 1999:
Q: Well, let me get to some of these other questions. Previously you said that the central thing about the Nordic Covenant was that there were bloodlines that extend off the planet. From what I understand, all humans on the planet have bloodlines that extend off the planet. In what sense did you mean this about the
Nordic Covenant; that the bloodlines extend off the planet?
A:
Not all so recent, not all so “pure.”
Q: In the sense of recent, how recent do you mean?
A: Speculate, using your transcripts.
The reference to "Not all so recent, not all so “pure”" may suggest a genetic tweaking at some stage, which makes me think of what the C's said here about the Hittites:
Session 20 August 2001:
Q: All right, first question is, what is the origin of the Levites?
A: Hittites Moon Worshippers.
Q: Well, before the Hittites became Hittites, what were they?
A: Indo-europeans.
Q: What was the source of the Indo-europeans?
A: Aryan sub-race.
Q: Is there any other group the Aryans mixed with to produce the Indo-Europeans?
A: Fourth Density genetic tweak.
Q: Was Abraham a Levite?
A: Yes
Q: Was Sarah Nefertiti?
A: Yes.
Q What was the reason for the strange skull shape of Nefertiti and her family?
A: Genetic tweak.
Q: Was this 4th density genetic tweak done by STS or STO?
A: STS
I would add that it is not uncommon to find the remains of elongated skulls in Anatolia (modern-day Turkey) where the Hittites dwelt and such a feature is also linked to the Frankish Merovingian nobility of France whose origin story tells of their female foundress being impregnated by a sea monster called a Quinotaur:
It is said that while Chlodio was staying at the seaside with his wife one summer, his wife went into the sea at midday to bathe, and a beast of Neptune rather like a Quinotaur found her. In the event she was made pregnant, either by the beast or by her husband, and she gave birth to a son called Merovech, from whom the kings of the Franks have subsequently been called Merovingians.
Perhaps this was just a fancy way of explaining that their ancestry had stemmed from a Lizard hybridisation (since we know the Lizards have been connected to the sea) or genetic tweak, as explained by the C's above.
Coming back to the Nordic Covenant and its possible connection to the Illuminati bloodline, we should consider what the C's said here about it:
Session 26 December 1998:
Q: Is the
Nordic Covenant in any sense similar to any of the things I have read here?
A: It is a
mystical thing, not related to theology in a direct sense.
Q:
How long has the Nordic Covenant been in existence?
A:
5129 years.
Q: Is the Nordic Covenant made between humans and other humans, or between humans and higher density beings?
A: Mostly between humans and humans, but some of the other.
Q: Does this Nordic Covenant exist on the earth today in similar format as it did at its inception?
A: Yes.
Q: Is this Nordic Covenant the same as you have referred to as the
Quorum?
A: No.
Q:
Would you say that the Nordic Covenant and the Quorum are in opposition, or just different?
A:
Segmented relationship.
Q: Is there any particular thing about this that I ought to ask at the moment that I am not going to discover in the course of my research? The mail group asked a few questions about this, so I thought I ought to approach the subject. Is the Nordic Covenant made between people who are blond and blue-eyed?
A: Not the central issue.
Q: What is the central issue of the Nordic Covenant?
A:
Bloodline extends off the planet.
Q: Is this Nordic Covenant a group that is in place on the planet for the purpose of guarding or propagating a particular bloodline?
A: To
guard secrets.
Q: What does this secret have to do with a bloodline?
A: You should be able to figure this one out!
Q: Are these people with this bloodline and with these secrets the same ones involved with the genetic engineering of new bodies for the Lizzies to occupy at the point of transition to 4th density?
A: No.
Q: Are these secrets
negative to our civilization or race?
A: From your perspective, maybe.
Q: Do these bloodlines have to do with
Nephilim?
A: A little.
Q: What secrets are they guarding?
A: Your origins; the nature of your being.
Q: So, this Nordic Covenant is that which wishes to maintain the darkness of our realm, the time loops, the replays,
and all that sort of thing?
A: One of the players, yes.
Q: You also said that the Nordic Covenant was a duality, that it could be positive or negative. So, if that is the negative side of it, is the positive the same, or different?
A: Too complex for your current understanding.
So, are the Illuminati who sit on top of Freemasonry part of this Nordic Covenant, whose roots go off planet and who seem to be guarding all sorts of secrets concerning the human race, as well as having a "segmented relationship" with the Quorum according to the C's in the following session:
Q: (L) On a number of occasions we talked about the quorum and the Illuminati. They both seem to be the highest levels of secret organizations. What is their relationship to each other?
A: Quorum mostly alien; illuminati mostly human.
Q: (L) Well, the quorum has been described...
A: Meet; two halves of whole.
Q: (L) Well the quorum seems to be described as being in touch with the Cassiopaeans, that is, yourselves, which you have described as beneficial beings, is this correct?
A: Close.
Q: (L) The illuminati has been described as being behind or with the brotherhood which has been described as being in connection with the Lizard beings...
A: Close. But not that simple.
Q: (L) Well, if the quorum is the good guys and the illuminati is the bad guys, and they both are at the high levels of Freemasonry, what is the story here?
A: Picture a circle or cycle first now then contemplate for a moment before follow-up.
Q: (L) Okay, I am contemplating a cycling circle.
A: Now, two halves representing positive and negative. Two halves.
Q: (L) Well, what I am getting out of that is the two halves and both sides are playing with the human race. Is that it?
A: No. This is complicated but if you can learn and understand, it will be a super revelation.
Q: (L) The quorum is described as the good guys. The illuminati is described as bad guys. And yet, they are both Masonic. When a person in the Masonic organization reaches the higher levels, are there individuals at the higher levels recruiting masons to one side or the other?
A: First, not exactly one side or another.
Q: (L) I am beginning to not understand something here because if the Lizzies...
A: Unblock.
Q: (L) I don't have a block here. If the brotherhood AKA illuminati AKA Lizzies AKA beast are the ones who are going to do detrimental things to this planet, how are they related or connected to the quorum which is in touch with...
A: This will take time to explain be patient it will be worth it.
Q: (L) Well, are you going to explain it right now?
Q: (L) Are you saying that at some levels the two halves overlap?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Are you saying that some of the Quorum are good guys and bad guys and the same for the Illuminati because the two are on opposing sides of the circle but at the point of blending one is weighted more to one side and the other to the other side? And these organizations are where the interactions come together?
A: Closer.
Q: (L) Does this mean that when people who are members of the quorum or illuminati call for information or help, that you, because of your service to others orientation are obliged to answer whoever calls?
A: Yes and no.
Q: (L) What is the no part.
A: If vibrational frequencies are out of pattern we do not connect.
Q: (L) Okay. A blending. Yet two halves.
A: Of a circle.
Q: (L) Who designed this circle?
A: Natural frequency wave. Some near conjunction blend both service patterns and each "camp" to create perfect balance.
Q: (L) Okay, so the Illuminati are the higher level on the pathway of service to self and somehow, by reaching these higher levels may have come to realizations or frequencies which have caused their position to be modified or blended to where service to self becomes or incorporates or moves them to service to others realizations, is this correct?
A: Continue.
Q: (L) Okay, the ones in the quorum are those who are focused on service to others and they, in their pathway of service to others begin to understand that some service to self is service to others.
A: Close.
Q: (L) And the whole idea is to blend both pathways no matter which direction you come to it from?
A: Service to others provides the perfect balance of those two realities; service to self is the diametrical opposite closing the grand cycle in perfect balance.
Q: (L) So it is necessary to have a pathway of service to self in order for the pathway of service to others to exist?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And those who are in the quorum and the illuminati ...
A: Blends in middle.
Q: (L) So it is necessary to have the darkness in order to have the light...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And it is necessary to have the Lizzies in order to have the Cassiopaeans...
A: Close.
Q: (L) And both groups evolved through the Masonic organizations..
A: Freemasonry is human reflection in physical of these processes.
