Session 6 December 2025

My own take on all this secret society stuff is that if we accept the ideas around higher densities/dimensions, advanced ancient civilisations, underground beings who can live for thousands of years, and so on, then the “game” is being played on a scale that very few people could comprehend. Largely because our lifespans are so short, we tend to hyper-focus far too much on our own time and location.

My view is that people with true power wouldn’t feel the need to wield it openly or signal that they have it, unless it was strictly necessary. What greater pleasure is there than having power while living like a common person? Isn't this the thing most superheroes follow: Superman/Clark Kent, Spider-Man/Peter Parker, and so on. Not that I'm saying such people are superheroes!

Thinking hypothetically, and assuming the above conditions are true, real power would likely be hidden in obscurity to some extent, think of the gods, or Zeus living as a beggar, that kind of thing. In the modern world, we often assume “true” power lies with families holding trillions of dollars in hidden wealth, but do the truly powerful even need that level of wealth?

I’d argue that what they really need is deep knowledge of the system’s pressure points, knowing where to apply minimal effort to achieve maximum effect. They’d need the ability to raise funds quickly if required, but otherwise, why hold vast wealth if it isn’t serving a purpose? Ultimately, true power means not being constrained by the forces that dictate how the vast majority of people live or behave.

In my mind, I don't picture such types as being the most vain, egotistical, secretly insecure, psychopathic or whatever. I picture such people as being in full control over themselves, having hidden knowledge of how things actually work at the esoteric level, knowing how to exercise such knowledge and ultimately having transcended mortality to some extent. I'd imagine they'd be master manipulaters and would know how to exercise power through others, be it individuals or whole nations. Look at Trump for example and tell me that guy can't be played like a fiddle by a group of people who know exactly what to do, look at Israel, look at things like Darwin's theory of evolution - to me all these stuff has the hallmarks of something that is exerting influence from way beyond where you'd even consider the shadows to be. Naturally, the question becomes - if it's not really about money, power, wealth or some other ego driven things, then what is it really about for such a thing, should it exist?
I agree with most of what you are saying above. However, the Illuminati as a collective do seem to control banking, finance and the stock markets, which is a means of exerting control over nations and companies - just think what the markets did to former Prime Minister Liz Truss in the UK for example. It may be that the big hitters in the Illuminati are indifferent to great wealth and see it merely as a means to an end. They may very well operate as STS versions of Gandalf in the Hobbit story perhaps.

As to the question you asked, which I have bolded above, perhaps the answer ultimately is the time line they wish to see play out to 4D STS's advantage. The following exert from the transcripts may give a flavour of what I mean:
Q: Of course there is! It's like the Weekly World News predicting the imminent End of the World about once a month. Eventually, they will be right! (A) Maybe not. (L) Well, another thing that was brought up in our discussion with this new gal in the mail group was that nothing of any importance of significance would happen in terms of transition on the earth for at least another thousand years or so. She was saying that we would slowly transform for the next thousand years, and there would be no cataclysms or earth changes. I am wondering if this is a new option that has come up because of changes in consciousness?

A: It may be. But remember, the "future" is merely a matter of which reality one experiences in real time, so called. It is merely which of those that exist shall the menu selectors elect?

Perhaps the Illuminati are determined to be the menu selectors. The Illuminati sit on top of Freemasonry and secretly exert control over that network. So, it is interesting then that the C's have said that they act as "overseers" (in conjunction with the mysterious organisation called the Quorum) of future changes:​

Session 16 October 1994:

Q: (L) I would like to know what is the origin of the Freemasons?

A: Osirians.

Q: (L) Can you tell us when the original Freemasons formed as a society?

A: 5633 B.C.

Q: (L) Is Freemasonry as it is practiced today the same?

A: 33rd degree, yes.

Q: (L) So, there is a continuing tradition for over 7 thousand years?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this organization with a plan to take over and rule the world?

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) What is their focus?


A: Overseers.

Q: (L) Of what?

A: The status of quorum.

Q: (L) What is the quorum?

A: Deeper knowledge organization. Totally secret to your kind as of yet. Very important with regard to your future.

Q: (L) In what way?

A: Changes.


Q: (L) Can you get more specific? Is that changes to us personally?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) Earth changes?

A: Also.

Q: (L) What is the relationship between this quorum and the Cassiopaeans?

A: They communicate with us regularly.

The C's later expanded upon this role of the Quorum in the session dated 25 October 1994:
Q: (L) Is the Quorum composed of members who are humans on this planet?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) Would we know any of them as well known figures?

A: Hidden. None you would know. [MJF: which bears out what you said about these people perhaps living obscure lives and flying under the radar]

Q: (L) How is the Quorum important in regard to the Earth changes?

A: Watchers.

Q: (L) Why is it important to have watchers?

A: Keep track of prophecies.

Q:
(L) How do the Masons relate to the Illuminati?

A: Masons are low level branch.
So, the Illuminati are the human element of the Quorum, and seem to perform the role of "overseers" or "watchers" where upcoming Earth changes are concerned in relation to prophecies. Whether these prophecies are primarily biblical prophecies like those found in St John's Apocalypse or the Book of Revelations and in the Book of Daniel for example, I do not know. It may be more expansive than this and include, for example, Mayan prophecies (such as the 2012 prophecy that may have been more about moving into a new age - the Age of Aquarius?) and others such as those of the Native Americans.
We can glean some indication of the menu selection process at work with the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in 2024, which was originally intended by the Quorum to succeed until they had a change of heart (or program):
Session dated 17 August 2024:
Q: (Niall) Wow! Was the attempted assassination of Trump what the C's referred to…?

(Joe) They mentioned the program change...

(Niall) And the meeting with the Quorum.

(Joe) And they talked about program change upcoming. This was like in maybe February or March. They said it was in a timescale of months. Was that [Trump's assassination attempt] the anticipated program change, and it got subverted? Or is the program change still to come?

A: Program had to be changed to avoid mass violation of free will.

Q: (Joe) So the program was the planned assassination of Trump?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) And... but it was changed to avoid mass violation of free will. And who made the decision to change the program?

A:
Quorum.

Q:
(Joe) Right. So they had a good think about it, and thought it was a bad idea.

A: Violations of free will on that scale are similar to violations of gravity in your realm.

Given Trump has just carried out the forcible removal of the President of Venezuela and seems to have alienated most of South America by doing so, one has to wonder whether this is part of the Quorum's new menu selection.

Coming back to the Apocalypse, one starts to wonder whether there may have been more behind the C's mirth in the following exert from the transcripts.​

Session dated 30 January 2021:

Q: (L) Well, before we jump off the topic of Trump, these people wrote to us. They call themselves the Leo Network. They were saying something about Donald Trump being the ruler of the "lower world" or in other words this world, and referred to him as some sort of trumpet…

(Joe) Trump-ets of the apocalypse. Trump, Trumpets… of the apocalypse...

A: Well, that is a bit imaginative, yes? However, we do find some humour in the expression: The last Trump shall sound!

Q: (L) The last Trump shall sound... And then what?

A: Wait and see! But wouldn't you say that the universal retrieval system has a sense of humour?

Hmmm....
 
And this Nation of the Third Eye goes way back then:

April 12, 1997


Then the Olmecs leads indirectly to the race of giants and those Redheaded demygods.
Did the C's ever give a date for when the Celts, as they called them, first went down to the subterranean world and created the Nation of the Third Eye?
Q: (L) Well, I know it's vague... (T) Are the Celts part of these underground civilizations?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) And they came to the surface some time ago...

A: No.

Q: (L) No, they came here, and they were taken underground...

A: No.

Q: (L) No, well, what's the story?

A: Went.

Q: (L) They went underground? Is that it? (T) When did they go underground?

A: Several occasions, the most recent being, on your calendar: 1941 through 1945.

Q: (L) That's when they went underground? 1941 through 1945?

A: Last episode of mass migration, mostly Deutschlanders.

Q: (T) Underground. We're talking underground, as in under the surface of the earth. Is this what we're talking about?

A: Antarctica. Under there.

Q: (T) Under Antarctica, under... Oh, in one of the big... OOOhhh!

A: Entry port.

I seem to recall a date of 14,000 years ago being mentioned somewhere for when they first went underground but this could be wrong. This date would though tie in with the cataclysmic events the C's spoke of, providing a good reason for them to retreat underground. Moreover, Celts are renowned for having red hair (I am an Irish Gael and have two red-headed sons to illustrate the point) and, as I pointed out in another post, the Tuatha de Danann of Irish folklore were described as red-headed or golden haired demigod giants just like the "red-headed demygods" the C's mentioned in your post, and they eventually retreated into the underground world too after the Milesian invasion of Ireland.
There is one other possibility though for the red-headed demygods and that is the race the C's referred to in the transcripts as the Gor:

Session 10 December 1994:

Q: (L) Was there an ancient, advanced civilization located in the area we now call Antarctica?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was the name of this civilization?

A: Gor.

Q: (L) What kind of individuals lived in Gor?

A: 18 feet tall.

Q: (L) Were they humanoid and did they look like us?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Were they male and female like us?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are there any remains of their civilization left?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they only inhabit Antarctica?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did they inhabit the whole world?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Are there any remains in Florida?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where might the remains be found

A: South America.

Q: (L) Where in South America?

A: Amazon. Ancient legend of Amazons.

The C's mention above that the Gor also occupied South America. So, depending on the timeframe, they could have been the overlords the C's spoke of. It is also interesting that the C' said the Piri Reis map's origins go back 14,000 years to a time when Antarctica was not covered by ice (perhaps before the pole shift you spoke of):​

Q: (L) In that sense... (A) Okay, this brings us to the question about the Piri Reis map. We wanted to know the origin of this map?

A: Complex, but the origin would date back to 14,000 B.C.

Q: (A) Atlantis?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was this map drawn when Antarctica was NOT covered by ice?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was Antarctica not covered by ice because the poles were in a different location?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was it not covered by ice because the entire planet was not covered by ice?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was it not covered by ice because it was in a different location itself?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why was it not covered by ice? (A) Because the climate was warmer.

A: Technologically achieved.

The C's said that the Gor were an advanced civilisation, so could they have been the people who used advanced technology to keep Antarctica ice free or was it the Atlanteans? You will note that when Laura suggested the map was attributable to Atlantis the C's said "close". Does this suggest that the Gor giants were the people who were responsible for the creation of the original map the Piri Reis Map was based on?

I wonder what happened to the Gor. Were they wiped out by the cataclysm(s) or did they too retreat underground through the Antarctic entry port? There was, however, a mention in the chronicles of Antonio Pigafetta who recorded Ferdinand Magellan's historic round the world voyage that Magellan's ship encountered giants in Patagonia and one or two were even taken on board but later died (see:Magellan’s Strange Encounter With the 10-Foot Giants of Patagonia | ARCHAEOLOGY WORLD). Supposedly, in 1615, the Dutch circumnavigators Willem Schouten and Jacob Le Maire found graves containing human bones on the Patagonian shores… bones of beings which appeared to be ten or eleven feet tall… So, could a remnant of the Gor have survived into modern times?​

BTW: I note in your post on the Where Once Stood Troy thread that you quote from David Ballingrud's 2002 article where it says:

"The research vessel Ulises sailed in the Yucatan Channel just off the west coast of Cuba that day, hired by the Castro government to look for undersea oil and gas -- old treasure ships, too, if they could be found."

I find it quite ironic that the research vessel's name was "Ulises", which could be viewed as a corrupted form of "Ulysses". As you know, Ulysses is the Latin variant for Odysseus, the hero of the Odyssey. How appropriate then that a ship called Ulises should have found what may well be the remains of the former Atlantean civilisation, thus following in the footsteps of Odysseus.​
 
No. I decompiled the program, extracted all the files (text + images) and created a folder with all the sections & chapters as PDF files: Then I performed a thoroughly search (case insensitive) but there is no mention to the Ummo Case.


In the meanwhile I skimmed some files as I processed them: One of them is the Glossary where the author names Agartha and Baphomet; I take the chance to quote and translate these two items because the former I'd bet will be of interest to @MJF and the latter well... speaks of the Templar regalia —the Baphomet ring— that Fulcanelli used in front his acolyte (the marking is on the original):



Now, let us recall what Canseliet said about Fulcanelli's Baphometic ring (painstakingly translated from French to English):


BTW, here we have a photo of the famous ring (upside down), beared by the beloved disciple:

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Now, let see what has to say about Baphomet (and I translate):


Finally, he adds the following design:

I don't see anything terribly wrong that hinders growth; obviously, there are some biases and a mix of truth and falsehood, but that's something that can be studied by paying attention (basically, like almost everything else). If anyone is interested in the original files in Spanish, they can request them privately; and if the Forum Administrators and/or Moderators allow it, the book can be uploaded to a private area of the forum.

Thank you for a most interesting post. I have to say that the stylised depiction of Baphomet reminds me somewhat of the works of the Spanish surrealist painter Salvador Dali, who was a good friend of Jean Cocteau, who many suspect as being the Grand Master of the Priory of Sion (which in reality is really a smokescreen for the Rosicrucians). As you guessed, your post has got me interested, particularly with regards to the connection between Agartha and Baphomet, which the C's said was a pure crystal skull and I think is the ancient artefact the C's have referred to as the Grail. Quoting from your post:
What we wish to emphasize about Agartha is its preparatory and initiatory function in relation to the Grail. We must highlight that here the legend takes on the appearance of a reality corroborated by the experience of one of the authors of this book and by the other, also immersed in this transcendental project. Agartha, then, is transformed for us into a real place, a site stripped of the tinsel and legendary mysticism that tradition has led us to imagine it should be in a certain way. But reality, by assuming certainty, immerses us in a new version, perhaps even more mysterious, by its very nature, than the previous one. The circle, in closing, deprives us partly of the mystery of its construction and shows us its closed structure, but it also opens up a new mystery: what it contains and holds within.​

I would agree with what the author says about Agartha and would go so far as to suggest that in this scenario, it is in fact the underground base in the Pyrenees of the Enclave of Alchemists referred to in the transcripts, who also form the 'Great Council of the Elect' in the Rosicrucian Manifesto known by its short title of The Fama.
Q: Supposedly, Christian Rosencruetz was initiated by the 'philosophers of Dancar.' I want to know where this blasted place is! Okay, skip it. One of the Rosicrucian manifestos said: 'God has sent messengers and signs in the heavens, namely the new stars in Serpentarius and Cygnus, to show that a great council of the elect is to take place.' What do they mean by a 'great council of the elect?'

A: Pyrenees.

Q: Okay, the purported enclave of the alchemists... Why was it signified by new stars in Serpentarius and Cygnus? What do they represent?

A: Novae.

But if it is a real place in the Pyrenees, where is it located? My guess is underneath an abandoned village in the French Pyrenees called Perillos.

Today the village of Perillos lies abandoned, a ghost town in what is one of roughest and most barren landscapes in the whole of France. It forms a former commune in the Pyrénées-Orientales, a department of the region of Occitania in southern France. It formerly formed part of the province of Roussillon, an area that was dominated by the Knights Templar. The nearest inhabited place to it today is Opoul-Perillos. At the time of its aggregation to Opoul in 1972, the village of Perillos was already deserted.

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But why was it abandoned? First some background from an article I wrote a while back (which I am attaching to this post):

The Ghost Town of Perillos

In 1995, a French researcher, André Douzet, discovered a topographical model of the Holy Places in Israel that was made in the early 20th century. In an envelope taped to the bottom of the model he found a number of letters and specifications allegedly written by Abbé Bérenger Saunière, the parish priest of Rennes-le-Château, to the model maker. In one letter, Saunière talks about the specifications for the model. In a second letter, only recently published, he talks about a second copy of the model intended for another priest in an unknown location (MJF: perhaps his friend and fellow collaborator in the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau, Abbé Henri Boudet). The model depicts the primary sites associated with the passion of Christ in Jerusalem, including the location of two notable tombs, those of Jesus Christ and Joseph of Arimathea. The model is a clay pre-production copy intended to be made into brass. The correspondence suggests that the end product was never finished as it seems Saunière died before it could be completed. Douzet suspected that Saunière may have wanted to leave one last clue. For one thing though the topography did not match the sites in the Holy Land which the model is supposed to depict. For years Douzet tried to link the landscape depicted in the model with the region of Rennes-le-Château but without success. It was not until he sought to make a copy of the model for display in the Villa Bethania, Saunière’s guest house in Rennes-le-Château, that he at last recognised a feature on the negative plastic mould, which was the Roc Redon near the ruined and abandoned village of Perillos.

The village of Perillos was once occupied by the Lords of Perillos, who counted among their number the illustrious Ramon de Perillos, Grand Master of the Knights of Malta (the modern name for the Hospitaller Order of St John of Jerusalem and later Rhodes, a medieval Catholic military order like the Knights Templar) from 1697 until his death 22 years later. In the 14th century, the Lord of Périllos was made a viscount by King John I of Aragon for the former’s continuous help in fighting the occupying Moslems. This, of course, was the century in which the Templars were disbanded but it also shows the antiquity of the Lords of Perillos who would have ruled Perillos during Templar times. Perillos was part of the parish of Durban-Corbiêres, Curiously, Abbe Antoine Gêlis and Abbe Henri Boudet were both priests assigned to Durban. These priests are linked with Abbé Bérenger Saunière in the mystery of Rennes-le-Château, Gêlis being horribly murdered after first being tortured. It may come as no surprise to learn then that locals living in the village recall Abbé Saunière visiting certain families in the village and showing a marked interest in their family archives.

Whilst searching for what it was that may have drawn Saunière’s attention to Perillos, Douzet stumbled across a notary register from the year 1632 in which the royal notary Courtade had described the transfer of some land from Spain to France under the terms of the Treaty of the Pyrenees of 1659, which ended the Franco-Spanish war that had begun in 1635. The treaty had been negotiated on the French side by the famous Cardinal Mazarin (the first minister to King Louis XIV). On one of its pages, Douzet found a mention in a small paragraph of a tract of land that was administratively untouchable and non-transmissible, on which it was even forbidden to cut or collect wood or stones or remove anything else from it. There was a complete prohibition against the sale of the land. It appears that even the Lords of Perillos were subject to the terms of this treaty where this particular parcel of land was concerned. Effectively, it was a closed enclave without any access lying within the territory of the Lords of Perillos. Even though they were responsible for guarding it, they were not allowed to manage it. The land no longer belonged to them and in no manner were they permitted to intervene in it or make use of it. This appears on the face of it to have been a really bizarre arrangement, one which had the full weight of the crown behind it. However, there is no indication in the treaty as to who the new owners were and who may have had the right to use the land.

It seems that the great French cartographer Jacques Cassini (1676-1756), who oversaw the first ever topographical survey of France, had more than a passing interest in the area. He spent almost a year and a half in Opoul, which seems to have been an extraordinary length of time to allocate for one small territory relative to the rest of France that he still had to map. Moreover, during the time he spent in Opoul, he lived in fairly modest conditions compared to the luxury he normally lived in. Ironically, despite the time he spent in the area, he never provided a detailed survey of Perillos. This begs the question why?

As the author of the piece from which I have taken this information says, it is not hard to imagine why someone would choose to hide a secret here. The area is riddled with caves and crevasses. It would take years to systematically search this piece of land. Hence, as I said above, this land ticks all the boxes for somebody who wanted to establish a secret refuge or an enclave in a remote location. The peculiar legal status of the land, where even the rights of the local lords were overridden, points to some secret hand moving behind the scenes, which could even dictate the terms of an international treaty between two powerful states, one of which was ruled by Louis XIV, the ‘Sun King’, perhaps the most powerful monarch in Europe at that time. In this connection let us recall here how desperate King Louis XIV was to lay his hands on Nicolas Poussin’s painting The Shepherds of Arcadia, a painting which supposedly lies behind the mystery of Rennes-le-Château. When Louis finally managed to acquire it, he hid it away in his royal chambers where it could be viewed only with the King’s express consent. Was there some power that even the Sun King, the most powerful man in Europe, feared?

Could that power have been the enclave of alchemists with their connections to the Rosicrucians, the modern manifestation of the Rosteem, and perhaps with links to the strange group who wrote the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ in Anatolia, a blueprint for world domination, whose roots lay in the ancient city of Harran, which once had a colony that resided on the Giza Plateau? If the Rosteem, who may have links to the STS 4th density subterranean civilisation known as the Nation of the Third Eye, are the power behind the group who wrote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, then it is easy to see why King Louis had reason to fear them given how the Protocols seem to have been ruthlessly carried out to the letter in the 20th century and even now are being implemented in the 21st century. And let us not forget that according to the C’s the alchemists form part of the Quorum, an STS group mainly comprised of aliens, who the C’s said have recently met in order to discuss program changes and the future of the Earth (ref. session dated 6 July 2024).

Could the enclave of alchemists therefore be based at Perillos in the foothills of the Pyrenees somewhere underground? Obviously, I can’t prove this but given the remoteness of the location, its inaccessibility and the mystery surrounding the 1659 transfer of land in Perillos subject to the strange conditions which even overrode the rights of the Lords of Perillos (one of whom was a Grand Master of the Knights of Malta) whose land it was, then this area seems like a perfect candidate to me for housing the secretive enclave.

This last reference to UFO studies seems to confirm that UFOs make use of window areas to refuel at the 3rd density level on what are natural energy grid points. However, they also seem to be points where you can switch between realms. This would be particularly attractive to 4th density beings who wish to move between density levels. This makes me wonder whether the enclave of alchemists chose this area (assuming Perillos falls within the Rennes-le-Château window area, as I suspect it does) of the Pyrenees to take advantage of the naturally occurring window so they can move between their base within the inner Earth and the surface world at ease, without the need to create a portal. I am assuming for these purposes that the alchemists in the enclave have all done the Great Work* and have transitioned to 4th density rather as was the case it seems with the celebrated French alchemist Fulcanelli, who may well have joined the enclave after he disappeared in 1926.

According to Fulcanelli’s student Eugène Canseliet, he had a secret meeting with Fulcanelli in Spain in 1953 several years after his disappearance. Canseliet had known Fulcanelli as an old man in his 80s but now his Master had grown younger and had physically changed in appearance: he was now an androgynous creature, a being Fulcanelli called ‘The Divine Androgyne’.
I wonder if this meeting took place at or near to Perillos?

I now return to the reason why Perillos was abandoned, which I believe lends weight to it being the location of the enclave of alchemists. I quote here from a post that I did on the Alton Towers thread:
Postcript to the Enclave of Alchemists

By a remarkable synchronicity, after posting my article on the Enclave of Alchemists, I came across an interesting reference to Perillos in a book I am currently reading. Indeed, it only cements my suspicion that Perillos was and is the base for the Enclave of Alchemists.

The book is called The Portal by Patrice Chaplin (the former daughter-in-law of the movie legend Charlie Chaplin), which I will have more to say about in an upcoming post, recounts the Kabbalistic initiation of the author who to achieve this had to follow a well-worn route winding through the eastern Pyrenees on both sides of the Spanish - French border, one stop on which was the deserted village of Perillos. The pilgrimage involved visiting certain sites that had a special energy signature, which together formed the outline of the constellation of Ursa Major, the Great Bear (known as the 'Big Dipper' in the USA and 'the Plough' in the UK). This makes me recall the use of stellar geomancy by the Knights Templar and the Rosicrucians, including Sir Francis Bacon, as well as the Mayans, the Hopi and the builders of the Great Pyramid complex at Giza. The eleven sites also represented specific numbers on a magic square, in this case the ‘Venus Magic Square’ (a magic square is one in which the numbers of each line in the square, whether vertical, horizontal or diagonal, all add up to the same total). It is also interesting to note here that Chaplin revealed in her book that Abbé Bérenger Saunière had followed the same pilgrimage route in the early part of the 20th century, reflecting his deep interest in and knowledge of the Kabbalah. This interest was openly demonstrated by his incorporation of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life with the ten Sephiroth in his presbytery garden at Rennes-le-Château.

The author had as her guide on her initiation pilgrimage a lady called Liliane who was well acquainted with the Kabbalah and with the hidden history of Abbé Saunière, who it seems had ulterior motives for performing the initiation pilgrimage (he wanted specific information about the Grail), which he never in fact completed. Liliane belonged to a secret society that Chaplin believed guarded the secrets of the Grail. When the author reached Perillos, as it was a scheduled stop on the pilgrimage route, her guide was able to provide her with a lot of information about the abandoned village in what is now southern France but had once been northern Spain. In setting this out here, I have to state that I am relying on the honesty and integrity of the guide in imparting this information and the author’s faithful recollection of what she told her.

Chaplin’s guide described Perillos more as a state of being than a place. Chaplin’s own reaction when first encountering the village was that it was a place of desolation. The deserted village was absolutely still but there was also a feeling of something having just happened, something momentous. She noted that the village stood in a valley that for some reason was historically known as the ‘Valley of Death’. Liliane told Chaplin that the village was number 10 on the magic square ‘dominated by solitude and isolation’. She mentioned the Kabbalistic influences as being to fly and wolf. She said the word Yod represented the origin or the father and symbolises God as origin of everything that exists.

When Chaplin asked where the people were, she was told they had all moved to the nearby village of Opoul. Apparently, they had left because they had heard chanting from underground and had experienced other unexplained things. However, Liliane pointed out that this had not stopped certain renowned persons from visiting Perillos in the past. These included the German Grail hunter Otton Rahn who wrote Crusade Against the Grail and the famous cartographer Jacques Cassini who had stayed at Opoul for nearly two years whilst overseeing the first ever topographical survey of France. Liliane posed the question why he had done so. Chaplin didn’t know of either man but suggested that perhaps Cassini had found the unexpected. Liliane replied that without knowing it she was right. Chaplin felt that a sense of menace hung over the place that was too out of the ordinary (N.B. Chaplin is known to be a sensitive psychic). When she said to Liliane “It’s deserted here”, Liliane responded “Only to the unseeing eye”, which may be a telling comment given what the C's once said to Laura:​
Q: (L) I would like to be able to solve this because the families are in pain and have asked for help.

A: Why don't you trust your incredible abilities? If we answer for you now, you will be helpless when it becomes necessary for you to perform this function on a regular basis, as it will be!!!!

Q: (L) Well, frankly, I don't want to be involved in any more murder investigations. It is too upsetting. Am I supposed to DO this sort of thing regularly???

A: Not same arena.

Q: (L) Well, then how do you mean "perform this function?"

A: No, seeing the unseen.

They subsequently spent the night at the nearby town of Quillan where they continued to discuss the abandoned village of Perillos. Liliane provided Chaplin with more information on the place. Chaplin wondered whether the chapel at Perillos had been the basis for the ‘Chapel Perilous’ in Malory’s le Morte d’Arthur (MJF: the first book I ever read at the tender age of four). Unfortunately, it had been closed when they visited the village but apparently inside the chapel there was a crypt with an unknown tomb that no one would approach. They called it the ‘Tomb of God’ (MJF: which makes me think of the book of that name by Richard Andrews and Paul Schellenberger – see my previous post). Although the chapel was closed, passers-by claimed to hear music coming from within which surpassed anything heard in this world. Lilian added that Perillos was considered completely impossible as a place for human beings to inhabit (MJF: which might be the case if it was existing at 4th density). The Spanish artist Salvador Dali (who Liliane had known personally and was a person who had performed the pilgrimage himself) had called Perillos a state of mind that could only be inhabited by the initiated. Liliane told Chaplin that Dali had been completely changed by Perillos. She said that Perillos has layers of realities and dimensions that Dali tried to wrestle with for the last 40 years of his life (MJF: was this because he was trying to come to terms with the concept of 4th density, as expressed in his art? See more below on this.).​

Chaplin then returned to the reasons for the abandonment of the village. Quoting Liliane in response:

They all started dreaming, always the same dream. It was a terrible dream. They were afraid to sleep. They heard sounds they could not explain. In the 11th century, the Lords of Perillos had sorted out and stabilised square number 10 [MJF: on the Venus Magic square]. It had been through an apocalyptic process.”

Quoting a fellow guide in response to another pilgrim who had performed the pilgrimage, Liliane said:

They say the devil lives there and God is buried there. So, that’s not bad for one abandoned village.’

Chaplin then felt a psychic prompt to ask Liliane about Ramon who had been the Lord of Perillos in the 14th century. In response Liliane said:

Ramon of Perillos in the fourteenth century was a diplomate interested in literature and a soldier and chamberlain to Juan the first King of Aragon., whose passions were music, literature and astrology. They became friends. At forty-six the king died suddenly and probably unnaturally, Ramon of Perillos set out on pilgrimage to a sacred site in Ireland, St. Patrick’s Purgatory, to enquire of the condition of the soul of his friend, the king. St. Patrick’s was the only functioning purgatory in Europe at the time. First, he was purified by fasting and prayer and then he descended into the Netherworld, passing through the Land of the Lost, finding Paradise, and finally returning to earth. He certainly had some spiritual initiation in Ireland and when he returned to France [MJF: should that have been Spain?] he said he now understood that at Perillos, his territory, there was a doorway to another world.”

Her last statement intrigues me. Another way of saying “doorway” is, of course, a “portal”. Could Ramon Lord of Perillos have come to the appreciation that there was a portal at Perillos, which led to another world or what the C’s would call another density. Was this the reason why the Spanish insisted when entering into the Treaty of the Pyrenees in 1659 with France, then ruled by the Sun King Louis XIV, that the French prohibit any interference whatsoever in the territory of Perillos, including by the Lords of Perillos themselves. The land was made administratively untouchable, and it could never be sold or transferred? The C’s have confirmed that portals are fought over, as is the case with the one in the Ukraine at the present time:​

Q: Is this idea of portals extremely significant. Are they fought over?

A: Yes, but you do not need to explore these truths, until you have learned more.

Was the Treaty of the Pyrenees of 1659 intended to prevent such a fight? Does the possibility that the portal may have been controlled by the enclave of alchemists explain how the great powers of Spain and France were forced to include a non-interference provision in the treaty where Perillos was concerned? Let us recall here that the C’s said the alchemists formed a human part of the Quorum and thus would seem to have considerable power and influence behind the scenes.

For the full post, see: Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians

I would just add that the sound of chanting underground fits with either the members of a religious order such as the Knights Templar or the chanting of occultic persons perhaps practicing the Kabbala in what is an area that was strongly associated with such practices. For example, the City of Girona in Spain is not that far away geographically and this was the main centre of Kabbalism in the Middle Ages, when the city still had a significant Jewish population. Indeed, Patrice Chaplin, who blundered into the mystery of Rennes-le Chateau as a young teenage girl visiting Girona, discovered that Abbe Sauniere had frequently visited the city where one of his mistresses had lived, a mysterious lady who she would meet when by now she was as an old woman. She would also meet, Jean Cocteau the famous French artist and film director who was filming in the city and she even got a small part in his film. However, she soon found out that Cocteau had a darker ulterior motive for being there, one which involved the old French lady and the Grail. Whilst she was visiting the old French lady who lived in a house adjoining the old Tower of Girona, a building once owned by Sauniere, she witnessed Jean Cocteau performing a Rosicrucian ritual in one of the shuttered rooms of the house whilst wearing a Rosicrucian high priest’s robes and special headdress and using a special altar stone. Cocteau would subsequently be responsible for the house and Tower being pulled down and the surrounding grounds dug up in his pursuit of the Grail. As I wrote in another post on the subject:

Chaplin would accidently catch Cocteau, dressed in the robes and headdress of a Rosicrucian high priest, conducting a secret ceremony in the tower that adjoined the French woman's house (she was in fact the secret mistress of Abbe Sauniere who would build a second tower at Rennes-le-Chateau based on the Girona Tower's design). At that time Chaplin knew nothing about the Rosicrucians. We should recall here that in The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, the book which really put the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau on the map long before Dan Jones came along, the three British authors proposed that Jean Cocteau was the head of the secretive 'Priory of Sion' organisation. Although this organisation would prove to be a modern fabrication by conman Pierre Plantard, I believe that it masked a real secret society that is the inner circle of the Rosicrucians (the modern manifestation of the Rosteem) who evidently want the Grail device very badly. To prove the point, soon after Cocteau had finished filming, to Chaplin's and Torres's horror, they found the Girona Tower completely demolished and the gardens around it dug up, including a magnificent Royal Palm tree that had dominated the gardens and provided welcome shade. Torres knew it was Cocteau's Rosicrucians who had been behind it and exclaimed to Chaplin that they had acted "like a thief in the night". When I first read this, I immediately made a connection to what the C's had said about the Rosicrucians where the destruction of the Knights Templar was concerned.​
Q: (L) I dug around about the Templars and have, more or less, come to the conclusion that they were just a smoke screen, and that something else was going on at the time that WAS important. I also think that they have been resurrected from time to time and dusted off and blamed for all this secret knowledge that is supposedly lost... am I on to something here?

A: Close.
Q: Who or what brought about the end of the Knights of the Temple?

A: Rosicrucians move as a "thief in the night."

Q: (L) But, as I understand it, the Rosicrucians did not come into being until after the end of the Templars...

A: No.

Q: (L) Do you mean that the information that came out, that pamphlet about "Christian Rosenkreutz," that is a purported fable, might be correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, goodness sake! The Rosicrucians advertise in magazines!!! Is this worldwide organization that promotes itself so blatantly...

A: Well, the "world-wide" order is not all inclusive.

Q: (L) Is there an inner circle of this order that is unknown?

A: Yes.

Was this identical reference to the Rosicrucians' activities by Torres (perpetrated in the 1950's) just a mere coincidence? Perhaps. If not, it seems to me that the Rosicrucians are still acting as "thieves in the night" in their pursuit of the Grail centuries later, if they were the group responsible for the destruction of the Tower of Girona, as seems most likely. And let us not forget that as the modern counterparts of the sinister Rosteem, they were active at Giza in Egypt thousands of years ago. Here we should also recall that the C's told Laura that there were two distinct factions in ancient times, the Grail faction and the Ark faction, the latter being connected to STS forces who were responsible for the construction of the ancient city of Baalbek (which takes its name from the Middle Eastern deity Baal - a front for the Lizards). My guess is that the Rosicrucians/Rosteem are linked to the Ark faction.​
 

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There is one other possibility though for the red-headed demygods and that is the race the C's referred to in the transcripts as the Gor:
No quite, the spheres were found only in Central America and Caribbean islands. They specified the Amazons which is South America.
If there are spheres buried in the Amazon not yet discovered then that’s another story.

Also, Antarctica has been covered by ice sheets more than 15000 years ago, the official story says since 1.2 millions YA, but they also said that Atlanteans warmed up the region during their peak. Not sure if that civilization was prior Atlantis, but that’s how it sounded to me.
 
Also, Antarctica has been covered by ice sheets more than 15000 years ago, the official story says since 1.2 millions YA, but they also said that Atlanteans warmed up the region during their peak.
A part of Antarctica may have been naturally ice-free prior to the crustal slippage that moved the North Pole from Hudson Bay to its current location. Here is a rough visualisation of the Ice Age world from this thread:

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You can see that the part of Antarctica closest to South America was at the same latitude as Australia and even the southern tip of Sundaland (Indonesia).
 
I would agree with what the author says about Agartha and would go so far as to suggest that in this scenario, it is in fact the underground base in the Pyrenees of the Enclave of Alchemists referred to in the transcripts, who also form the 'Great Council of the Elect' in the Rosicrucian Manifesto known by its short title of The Fama.
Thank you for your answer and document. I'm wondering if you have your complete post: Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians, in .pdf or .doc format. Due to my age, I feel more comfortably sending all to my old printer (a similar one that were using the Ceniza Brothers in the film The Ninth Gate) and reading in charta.

According to legend, Flamel succeeded at the two goals of alchemy: that is, he made the Philosopher’s Stone which transforms base metals into golds and he and his wife, Perenelle, achieved immortality through the "Elixir of Life" (David Hudson’s monoatomic gold).
Just a tiny nudge on that: the alchemical Elixir of Life seems do not need gold at all. It's true that many treatises suggest to add gold to fix Our Mercury, because in STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure) it volatilize in fraction of seconds when you open the flask. But the canonical procedure dismiss it: Our Mercury will create our Sulfur and they will unite, giving rise to the Androgyne. In Daoism terms: Extreme Yin turns into Yang (in Chinesse: 阴极必阳, ”Yin Ji Bi Yang”).

Q: Okay. Who are the 'philosophers of Dancar?'
A: Philosophers who ride around in Dan's car.

Q: That was a serious question! Where and what is Dancar?
A: Why do you suppose the response was light hearted?

Q: Well, come on! What is Dan's car?
A: We ask you to define as best you can.

Q: A 'car' belonging to Dan. The subject was talked about in the 18th century.
A: Yes.

Q: To what place were they referring when they talked about Dancar?
A: British.

Q: Why would they call it Dancar?
A: Locator.

Q: There is no place called Dancar.
A: No?

Q: Supposedly, Christian Rosencruetz was initiated by the 'philosophers of Dancar.' I want to know where this blasted place is! Okay, skip it. One of the Rosicrucian manifestos said: 'God has sent messengers and signs in the heavens, namely the new stars in Serpentarius and Cygnus, to show that a great council of the elect is to take place.' What do they mean by a 'great council of the elect?'
A: Pyrenees.

Q: Okay, the purported enclave of the alchemists... Why was it signified by new stars in Serpentarius and Cygnus? What do they represent?
A: Novae.

Perhaps this paragraph helps (from the the Fourth footnote on chapter One from Gérard Galtier's Maçonnerie égyptienne, Rose-Croix et Néo-Chevalerie, and I translate from the Spanish edition):
La Tradición Oculta - ed. Oberón - p. 333 said:
Gérard Mercator's Atlas (16th century) locates the city of Damcar in southern Arabia, at the site of the present-day Dhamar (North Yemen). Furthermore, Roland Edighoffer, in Rose-Croix et société idéale selon Johann Valentin Andreae (1982, vol. I, pp. 245-250), clearly highlights the influence of Arab thought in the Fama Fraternitatis; he also notes the importance of Damcar, which may have been the city of the “Sabaeans.” Nevertheless, it is appropriate to clarify that, although the term Sabaean always carries an esoteric connotation, it designates different realities: the Sabaeans, ancient inhabitants of the kingdom of Saba in southern Arabia; the Mandaean Sabaeans of Lower Mesopotamia, who claim Saint John the Baptist; the Sabaeans of the city of Harran (in present-day eastern Turkey) who, during the first centuries of Islam, were among the last inhabitants of the Near East to continue practicing a hermetic and astrological cult. However, there is the strange coincidence that, in our days, near Dhamar in North Yemen, an Ismaili community persists, and, as many authors believe, there would have been links between the doctrines of the Sabaeans of Harran and Ismailism, and between Ismailism and Rosicrucian esotericism.

But the Cs reference to the British could be valid if we follow the thread that Robert of Chester was not only a translator but also a diplomat who worked in Spain translating from Arabic the Book on The Composition of Alchemy and returning around 1150 to England with the secret of the collection of Spiritus Mundi and then recovering his real name as Robert of Ketton.
 
No quite, the spheres were found only in Central America and Caribbean islands. They specified the Amazons which is South America.
If there are spheres buried in the Amazon not yet discovered then that’s another story.

Also, Antarctica has been covered by ice sheets more than 15000 years ago, the official story says since 1.2 millions YA, but they also said that Atlanteans warmed up the region during their peak. Not sure if that civilization was prior Atlantis, but that’s how it sounded to me.

I note what you say and you may well be right but if you read again what the C's said about the Gor, they did not limit their presence just to Antarctica and South America:
Q: (L) Did they inhabit the whole world?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Are there any remains in Florida?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where might the remains be found?

A: South America.

We cannot know what the C's meant by "close" here but if the Gor were an advanced civilisation, I do not see why they could not have travelled up from South America into Central America and even that part of North America that was habitable during the last ice age, such as the south-west US states of Nevada and Arizona. For example, the Native American tribes of Nevada have legends of their ancestors fighting red-haired giants called the Si-Te-Cah who were supposed to have been cannibals. They were eventually wiped out. The C's only said that the Gor's remains could be found in South America, which does not rule out their presence elsewhere where no remains may have survived. However, I would guess that if the stone spheres had been directly linked to the Gor, the C's would given a different answer to the one they gave above. Moreover, the C's referred to the "local overlords" as hybrids whereas the Gor seem to have been a distinct race of their own, although they could, of course, have been the result of an hybridisation program. In this last connection, I would also rule out the Gor as having being a group of Nephilim (such as those on Easter Island) because the latter were supposed to have been male only whereas the C's said the Gor were both male and female.

There have been recent discoveries of an advanced agrarian civilisation that once occupied the Amazon. I wrote about this on the Alton Towers thread in connection with the discovery of stone circles. Whether these circles had anything to do with the Gor, I have no idea. It is possible that as an advanced civilisation they did not survive the Deluge (the Younger Dryas Event) leaving only small remnants here and there who reverted to a primitive life style just like the Patagonian giants Magellan encountered during his famous voyage of circumnavigation of the world. If so, they seem to have shrunk by that time from 18 feet to a mere 10 feet in height.

Just as a curious aside, I recall reading a story a few years ago about a young Russian boy who told his parents that he had lived an earlier life as a space pilot on Mars. He mentioned that he used to visit Earth and had friends who were huge giants. Although his story seems far fetched, the C's have told us that the Atlanteans once had colonies on Mars and we now know that there was a race of 18 ft tall giants in South America and Antarctica, which the C's have called the Gor. Hence, the boy's story may not be so far fetched as it first appears.​
 
It's kinda funny that this session brought up discussions of the Moon landing and Chinese Freemasonry of which there is a group that is confused with Chinese Freemasonry called the Hongmen (Hung Moon).

I found a summery of the history of Chinese Freemasonry that I thought was quite interesting, and confusing because, like I mentioned, there's Chinese Freemasonry and "Chinese Freemasonry". The article is actually geared to C.F. in British Columbia but gives a good general overview of the Hongmen, Tongs, Kuomintang (or Quo Min Tong), Triads, Tiandihui and others. Apparently, according to the article, "C.F." (in quotes, I think) dates back to the mid-1700s from secret societies in Southern China.


From the same site, the known Freemason symbols apparently show up in Chinese texts dating back to c. 2900 BCE, which doesn't necessarily make them "Masonic".

Much has been made about the metaphorical and symbolic use of the square, compasses, level and plumb rule in early Chinese writings. Although noteworthy, this usage does not demonstrate any early form of Freemasonry or link to the Tiandihui or Hongmen, now self-styled as Chinese Freemasons.



Digging around, I also found a former Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of China (GLOC) with some interesting credentials.

MW Bro. Philip Liang, 16th Grand Master
 Biography

Residence
Taipei City, Taiwan, R.O.C.

Academic History
Rocky Mountain College, Billings, Montana, USA
San Francisco State University, CA, USA — Bachelor of Arts
California State University, East Bay, USA — Master of Business Administration (MBA)

Professional History
Security Pacific National Bank, San Francisco, CA, USA
First Interstate Bank, San Francisco, CA, USA
First Interstate Bank, Hong Kong
Edmond de Rothschild Group, Hong Kong
Edmond de Rothschild Group, Taiwan, R.O.C.


Masonic Credentials

Mother Lodge: Harmony Lodge #10, GLOC
Initiated: 18 Dec 1997
Passed: 22 Jan 1998
Raised: 25 Mar 1998
Worshipful Master: 2005-2006 (Harmony Lodge #10, GLOC)
Grand Lodge Offices
Grand Standard Bearer: 2005-2006
Junior Grand Deacon: 2007-2008
Senior Grand Deacon: 2008-2009
Junior Grand Warden: 2009-2010
Senior Grand Warden: 2010-2015
Grand Master: 2015-2016
Scottish Rite
32° conferred on 26/27 Sep 2014, Taipei Bodies, A.&A.S.R.F., Southern Jurisdiction, USA
KCCH conferred on 27 Sep 2019
 
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A part of Antarctica may have been naturally ice-free prior to the crustal slippage that moved the North Pole from Hudson Bay to its current location. Here is a rough visualisation of the Ice Age world from this thread:

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You can see that the part of Antarctica closest to South America was at the same latitude as Australia and even the southern tip of Sundaland (Indonesia).

You make a good observation. However, the Piri Reis Map shows Antarctica completely ice free, not just a part:

Q: (L) In that sense... (A) Okay, this brings us to the question about the Piri Reis map. We wanted to know the origin of this map?

A: Complex, but the origin would date back to 14,000 B.C.

Q: (A) Atlantis?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was this map drawn when Antarctica was NOT covered by ice?

A: Yes.

The C's said the origin of the map dated back to 14,000 BC, which is a few thousand years prior to the Deluge. Hence, the C's are suggesting that when the original map or scan upon which the Piri Reis Map was ultimately based was drawn in 14,000 BC, Antarctica was then ice free. The reason why I felt that the Gor may have been responsible for the original map, was that the C's seemed to rule out the origins lying with the Atlanteans. If it was not the Atlanteans then it makes sense that the Gor may have been behind it, as they had occupied that area and were according to the C's an ancient, advanced civilisation who presumably had the technology to keep the continent ice free and to accurately map the continent. Professor Charles Hapgood, the man who first proposed the hypothesis that the Earth's axis has shifted numerous times during geological history, had the Piri Reis Map analysed by the US Air Force who concluded that it was compiled from original source maps of Antarctica at a time when it was relatively free of ice. Quoting from his Wikipedia entry:
In Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings he supported the suggestion made by Arlington Mallery that a part of the Piri Reis map was a depiction of the area of Antarctica known as Queen Maud Land. He used that to propose that a 15° pole shift occurred around 9,600 BC (approx. 11,600 years ago) and that a part of the Antarctic was ice-free at that time and that an ice-age civilization could have mapped the coast. He concludes that "Antarctica was mapped when these parts were free of ice" and took the view that an Antarctic warm period coincided with the last ice age in the Northern hemisphere and that the Piri Reis and other maps were based on "ancient" maps derived from ice-age originals.

Hapgood also examined a 1531 map by French mathematician and cartographer Oronce Finé (aka Oronteus Finaeus). In Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings, he reproduces letters that he states he received from the chief of a U.S. Air Force cartography section stationed at Westover AFB in 1961. These letters say that at Hapgood's request, they had studied both Piri Reis and Oronce Finé maps during their off-duty hours, concluding that both were compiled from original source maps of Antarctica at a time when it was relatively free of ice, supporting Hapgood's findings. Hapgood concluded that advanced cartographic knowledge appears on the Piri Reis map and the Oronteus Finaeus map, and must be the result of some unknown ancient civilization that developed advanced scientific knowledge before other civilizations such as Greece.​

Curiously, if you check the internet, you will also find recent stories of explorers in Antarctica supposedly finding huge structures, including pyramids, in Antarctica, which seem to them to have been built by an advanced civilisation. You could take these kinds of fanciful stories with a pinch of salt except that the C's have told us that Antarctica was occupied by an advanced civilisation of giants called the Gor and that it was ice free prior to 14,000 BC since they employed technology to keep it that way. So, maybe there is some truth to these stories.

For example, see: Antarctica’s Pyramids: Exploring Their Ancient Mysteries |
 
Thank you for your answer and document. I'm wondering if you have your complete post: Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians, in .pdf or .doc format. Due to my age, I feel more comfortably sending all to my old printer (a similar one that were using the Ceniza Brothers in the film The Ninth Gate) and reading in charta.


Just a tiny nudge on that: the alchemical Elixir of Life seems do not need gold at all. It's true that many treatises suggest to add gold to fix Our Mercury, because in STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure) it volatilize in fraction of seconds when you open the flask. But the canonical procedure dismiss it: Our Mercury will create our Sulfur and they will unite, giving rise to the Androgyne. In Daoism terms: Extreme Yin turns into Yang (in Chinesse: 阴极必阳, ”Yin Ji Bi Yang”).



Perhaps this paragraph helps (from the the Fourth footnote on chapter One from Gérard Galtier's Maçonnerie égyptienne, Rose-Croix et Néo-Chevalerie, and I translate from the Spanish edition):


But the Cs reference to the British could be valid if we follow the thread that Robert of Chester was not only a translator but also a diplomat who worked in Spain translating from Arabic the Book on The Composition of Alchemy and returning around 1150 to England with the secret of the collection of Spiritus Mundi and then recovering his real name as Robert of Ketton.

Unfortunately, I only keep word format copies of the articles that I post on the Alton Towers thread but not the individual posts themselves. Could you not copy the relevant extracts and then paste them into a word document that can then be printed off at your leisure?

Thank you for the hints and additional information. I will look into these.

If it helps, I believe that Dancar is certainly a place in Britain and is most likely the town of Doncaster in Yorkshire. I have set out my reasoning in the Alton Towers thread, noting that Rosicrucians like Sir Francis Bacon loved puns and plays on words and the plays of Shakespeare (most likely written by Bacon) are full of them. Here is my reasoning for suggesting that Dancar is Doncaster, as set out in a post I did on the Alton Towers thread on 15 April 2021:
I think Dancar is code for the town of Doncaster in the county of Yorkshire. Here is the Wikipedia entry for the town: Doncaster - Wikipedia

You will see that in Roman times it was originally a fort called Danum.

The Latin name for a fort is "Castra". This was often corrupted down to "Cair" in the celtic tongue and 'Caster' or 'Chester' in old English.

As you can see in the Wikipedia entry it states that Doncaster is generally believed to be the Cair Daun listed as one of the 28 cities of Britain in the 9th-century History of the Britons traditionally attributed to Nennius.

If you reverse "Cair Daun" you get "Daun Cair", which etymologically is close to 'Dancar'.

The C's subsequently gave Laura a further clue for her treasure hunt when they mentioned the word "chevin":
Q: I would like for you to give me a super-duper, hunky-dory, knock-me-off-my-socks clue to my treasure hunt.

A: Chevin.

Q: That's it?

A: Yes.

Q: No more?

A: No.

Although this clue led Laura in other directions, she was probably not aware that there is a famous and ancient ridgeway running through Yorkshire called the "chevin", which just happens to run all the way to Doncaster. Just a coincidence? I think not.

"Chevin" simply means "back", "ridge" or "ridge of high land") along which an old Roman road once ran that linked various Roman settlements in Yorkshire including York (Eboracum), Tadcaster and Ilkley. The Chevin seems to have has a special significance in Megalithic times since there is a peculiar line of stones standing on the Chevin near the present town of Otley (see below).

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Apparently, the provenance of this line of stones below Surprise View on Otley Chevin is unknown but they are undoubtedly of ancient origin, probably marking an old property boundary. In some ways they remind me of the lines of stones that you can see at Carnac in Brittany, France. Could there be a connection maybe?

I subsequently discovered that Dr John Dee’s friend and former prison cell mate, John Field, one of 16th century Britain’s leading astronomers lived in Wharfdale in Yorkshire near to the ridge known as the Chevin, which runs all the way to Doncaster (Dancar). I strongly suspect he may have been one of the Philosophers of Dancar referred to in the Rosiccrucian Manifesto known as the Fama (see more below on this). Another member may have been the English mathematician and astronomer Thomas Digges who, after the death of his father, grew up under the guardianship of John Dee. Digges attempted to determine the parallax of the 1572 supernova observed by Tycho Brahe, and concluded it had to be beyond the orbit of the Moon. This contradicted Aristotle's view of the universe, according to which no change could take place among the fixed stars.

Dee was something of a mentor for Bacon and may have been a Rosicrucian himself. Hence, I think the Philosophers of Dancar were primarily Bacon's fellow English Rosicrucians who may have met from time to time in Doncaster, although I cannot prove this.​
 
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