Shooting at shopping mall in Munich

[Cosmos]

No I cannot provide sources (some media), this live ticker stated it (its German text I already included above)
http://www.n-tv.de/politik/23-59-Bahn-stellt-Uebernachtungszuege-bereit-article18256586.html

It is too late to search in Internet if I could give names to those anonymous media.

I see, it is a live ticker from n-tv... That's what I was looking for, thanks!

 

[Ca.]

Hillary Clinton Visits Pulse Nightclub In Orlando, Meets With Victims' Families
http://sfist.com/2016/07/22/hillary_clinton_visits_pulse_nightc.php
by Jay Barmann in News on Jul 22, 2016 2:15 pm

One day following the Republicans' scary shoutfest in Cleveland, Democratic Party nominee Hillary Clinton made an unannounced visit to Orlando for a private meeting with the families of victims of the June 12 shooting there, and made a trip Friday to Pulse nightclub where it took place to speak with first responders and pay her respects. The mass shooting was the deadliest in modern US history, and the largest massacre of LGBT people here as well.

The New Civil Rights movement reported on the solemn meeting with the families and select journalists Friday morning, which those invited were asked not to publicize ahead of time. The meeting also included a roundtable discussion with Orlando community leaders, and according to Tamara Keith of NPR it had Clinton doing "lots of listening."

Clinton then proceeded this afternoon to the site of the shooting itself, which claimed the lives of 49 people, many of them gay men who frequented the Latin-themed dance club on Saturday nights. The club and the fencing that now surrounds it have become a large memorial to the victims, and Clinton laid a bouquet of white roses there.

While not trying to politicize the tragedy, the move can certainly be seen as Clinton showing her support for and sympathy with the LGBT community in the wake of the close of the RNC and the virulently anti-equality platform the GOP decided to adopt this election year.

Coincidentally, Clinton was in Orlando just as another deadly mass shooting was taking place in Munich, Germany, about which Clinton tweeted as she was boarding her jet for an event in Tampa.

Clinton is also expected to announce her running mate today or tomorrow, and the top contender right now appears to be Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia.

_https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/hillary-clinton-wants-to-talk-to-you-about-love-and-kindness?utm_term=.sudPnDWA0#.wlM6dmwgj

_http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/a5/00/a5001b8f1f049cbcefec0c6db826d423.jpg?itok=U9R4JlU3 Graphic

Orlando, FL Jul 22, 2016
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6wMsjzZ3fM
Munich-Jul 22, 2016
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3CvQ0RzYvQ
Hillary Clinton holds rally Friday in Tampa Jul 22, 2016
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbw9HrnDLSw

Hillary Clinton Compte certifié
https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton?lang=fr
‏@HillaryClinton 13:11 - 22 juil. 2016
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/756582517566681089?lang=fr

Monitoring the horrific situation in Munich. We stand with our friends in Germany as they work to bring those responsible to justice. -H

#MunichAttack
https://twitter.com/hashtag/MunichAttack?src=hash&lang=fr

 

[Aeneas]

The propaganda of associating terror attacks with Muslims seems to be working well. When the official perpetrator is not a Muslim, we hear that he was part of some right-wing/nazi group. But the media never mentions their religious affiliations. Brevik was raised a Christian, but that faith is never mentioned in regards to the killings. A Christian who becomes radicalized and commits terror will be called a left-wing or right-wing terrorist whereas a Muslim, who becomes radicalized always will be called a Muslim terrorist. Thus the Islamic faith becomes associated with terror, whereas the Christian faith stays pure and clean. No mention of all the wars started by people belonging to the Christian faith.

I had a discussion a few nights ago and was confronted with "...but all these terror attacks that we see taking place is all done by Muslims. Christians don't do this horrendous type of thing. It is because of the Koran which is so violent ...etc." So the mind programming works well. The PtB wants to create this fiction of a clash of civilisation and Muslim terror and the propaganda has been intense for years and it pays off. Authoritaran followers don't need much prodding. People associate terror attacks with muslims and that is the end of the story for them. My response to the above assertion was: "When did a muslim country invade a Christian cuntry?" The response was silence and after a while " but these terror attacks are so horrendous, so random and abhorrent and so traumatising." And yes they are, but wars create the same just on a much larger scale. As Western audience aren't filled in by the media about the heartbreak in the countries that we attack, but is sanitized, then such wars to the minds of people appear clean and almost benevolent.

 

[Kisito]

Mossad photographer Richard Gutjahr was pre-positioned in both city "Nice" AND Munich! Talk about chutzpah… (Editor’s note: Shortly after this article was posted, Richard Gutjahr’s tweets, including the one shown above on the right, were deleted both from his Twitter feed and from the RT article.)
_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/22/nice-munich/

 

[Cosmos]

Obama promises to help germany:
http://www.wiwo.de/politik/deutschland/terror-in-muenchen-barack-obama-sichert-deutschland-unterstuetzung-zu/13916564.html

The conversation below between the supposed shooter and a guy on the balkony is interesting (if it is not faked) since the shooter says he is a german that hates turks. He says he was bullied and now had to buy a weapon.

The part about "treatment" is also interesting. What exactly he says is hard to hear, but it sounds like "I was in treatment".

Here another shooting on a parking deck? (Edit: That seems to be the shopping center.) There are two people arguing. One of them says that the other one has a loaded weapon. Other than that just insults. After that, shots can be heard. There is somebody visible on the parking deck, but at no point he seems to be in a hurry. Both have German accents, so it's likely they are natives. Confusing indeed.

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My German is a little rusty but the above video may be what this text is referring to:

http://pastebin.com/kF84hMfy

Man: "You -flicking- Asshole you..."
>Shooter: "Because of you I [unintelligible]..."
Balcony Man: "You -kunta kintay- you. you're a -kunta kintay-"
>Shooter: "...and now I have to buy a gun to shoot you"
Balcony Man: "a gun -flick- off your head isn't on right"
>Shooter and Balcony man shouting at each other
Balcony Man apparently to people filming: "He's got a gun here the guy has one"
Unseen voice: "Shit/-flicking- Turks!"
Balcony Man: "Shit/-flicking- Kanacken" (foreigners basically)
Balcony man to someone else : "EY! HE'S GOT A GUN! He has loaded his gun! Get the cops here!"
>Shooter: "I am German."
Balcony Man: "You're a -kunta kintay- is what you are"
>Shooter: "Stop filming!"
Balcony Man: "A -kunta kintay- is what you are, what the -flick- are you doing?"
>Shooter: "Yeah what, I was born here!"
Balcony Man: "Yeah and what the -flick- you think you're doing???"
>Shooter: "I grew up here in the Hartz 4 (unemployment benefits in Germany) area.
Balcony Man and Shooter talk at same time, can't make it out.
>Shooter says something about "Behandlung" which is "treatment" in both medical treatment or just how you treat people,not sure which one he means.
Balcony Man says something like "Yeah treatment is something for you"
>Shooter: "I haven't done anything here for [unintelligible]"
>Shooter: "Just shut your -flicking- face man"
Balcony Man: "You -kunta kintay- you"
Balcony Man: "HEY! HE'S ON THE UPPER FLOOR HERE [unintelligible]"
Filming man goes into cover, shooter starts firing.
Balcony man calls him a -kunta kintay- again.
Balcony man shouts something at him about "shooting here" and Shooter replies multiple times "Yeah, that's where you're right! Yeah you're right with that!" Yeah you're right!"
Video ends.

(I made no effort to censor the profanity)
Published at zerohedge here:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-22/major-police-operation-underway-after-shots-fired-munich-shopping-center-live-feed
[...]

It has been confirmed that the video above likely shows the guy, says the police chief of munich:

https://de.sott.net/article/25156-Polizeiprasident-bestatigt-Video-zeigt-Tater-Ich-bin-Deutscher-Ich-bin-hier-geboren-ich-war-in-Behandlung

And the article says the guy said the following in the video (among other things):

„Ich bin Deutscher.“

"Ich bin hier geboren. Ich wurde in meiner Wohngruppe gemobbt. Ich war in Behandlung“

Translation:

„I'm German.“

"I was born here. I was bullied in my group home. I was in treatment“

Also the guy that was filmed there on the roof top, seems to wear the same cloths and backpack as the guy shooting infront of MC-Donalds

Here is the guy on the roof top:

Someone took a picture that resembles the shooter seen in the video outside the McDonalds.

At the same time, the police is now telling people not to upload any pictures or videos on social media...

Source: #OEZ

And here is the guy infront of MC-Donalds:

That is indeed crazy and eye witnesses spoke of several attackers. Let's wait and see how the story develops. Take care everyone in Munich.


Here is one video and I think of the same shooter as pictured above (be careful to watch, he is shooting directly on people):

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I'm still wondering though who shot so fast that the eyewitness (mentioned above in reply #32) thought it was a machine gun. Could it be that he doesn't know how machine guns sound and confused the rapid shooting of a pistole with a machine gun?

There is also still the initial reports of eyewitnesses of "long guns" (reply #34). Did they confuse the supposed perpetrator, who allegedly had only a pistol, with the special commandos that were enetering the mall and streets and had long guns?

It would also be interesting to know what exactly he meant with "having been in treatment". Who treated him and for what reason and purpose?
Just a normal ordinary psychotherapist or somebody that implanted stuff into his head (like MK-Ultra and stuff)?

Also, what happened to the alligation at the beginning that there were at least 3 perpetrators? Can it be, that the situation was so confusing, with all the police people entering the streets, that people mistook some of the police people (some of whom apparently [juding from the videos] were walking arround in civilian clothes) for perpetrators?

 

[Dirgni]

And here is the guy in front of MC-Donalds:

That is indeed crazy and eye witnesses spoke of several attackers. Let's wait and see how the story develops. Take care everyone in Munich.


Here is one video and I think of the same shooter as pictured above (be careful to watch, he is shooting directly on people):

http://<iframe width="550" height="...9Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I'm still wondering though who shot so fast that the eyewitness (mentioned above in reply #32) thought it was a machine gun. Could it be that he doesn't know how machine guns sound and confused the rapid shooting of a pistole with a machine gun?

There is also still the initial reports of eyewitnesses of "long guns" (reply #34). Did they confuse the supposed perpetrator, who allegedly had only a pistol, with the special commandos that were entering the mall and streets and had long guns?

It would also be interesting to know what exactly he meant with "having been in treatment". Who treated him and for what reason and purpose?
Just a normal ordinary psychotherapist or somebody that implanted stuff into his head (like MK-Ultra and stuff)?

Also, what happened to the alligation at the beginning that there were at least 3 perpetrators? Can it be, that the situation was so confusing, with all the police people entering the streets, that people mistook some of the police people (some of whom apparently [juding from the videos] were walking around in civilian clothes) for perpetrators?

This film goes for a bit before the guy starts to shoot and persons go /drive around calmly. So it seems there were no shootings before at this place. Why do someone may want to start filming such a quite boring street scenery? This film was uploaded quite early and the first part was shown in TV quite often. Good luck / coincidence or knowledge before the deed?

 

[Ca.]

I'm still wondering though who shot so fast that the eyewitness (mentioned above in reply #32) thought it was a machine gun. Could it be that he doesn't know how machine guns sound and confused the rapid shooting of a pistole with a machine gun?

There is also still the initial reports of eyewitnesses of "long guns" (reply #34). Did they confuse the supposed perpetrator, who allegedly had only a pistol, with the special commandos that were enetering the mall and streets and had long guns?

It would also be interesting to know what exactly he meant with "having been in treatment". Who treated him and for what reason and purpose?
Just a normal ordinary psychotherapist or somebody that implanted stuff into his head (like MK-Ultra and stuff)?

Also, what happened to the alligation at the beginning that there were at least 3 perpetrators? Can it be, that the situation was so confusing, with all the police people entering the streets, that people mistook some of the police people (some of whom apparently [juding from the videos] were walking arround in civilian clothes) for perpetrators?

Yeah the same old song and dance. Lone Gunman...................A..LOONIE with a little psychotropic help with fatigues.

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[lainey]

This is the latest from the UK media. They are going with the lone gunman although they do write about reports of multiple shooters.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/munich-attack-what-we-know-%e2%80%93-and-what-we-dont-know/ar-BBuFF51?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=ASUDHP

What we know so far
Ten people have been killed – including the gunman – and at least 16 injured in a shooting at a shopping mall in the German city of Munich.
The gunman has been identified as an 18-year-old with dual German and Iranian nationality, who had been living in Germany for at least the past two years.

Police have referred to the incident as a suspected terror attack.
A major police operation, including elite anti-terror units, was launched in the city. Police earlier said that, based on witness reports, they were hunting up to three suspects armed with rifles who may have been involved in shootings at multiple locations.

Later in the evening, police issued a statement giving a “cautious all-clear” over the incident, saying they had found one person in connection who took their own life. There is a “high probability” that that person acted alone, officers said.
At 5.52pm gunshots were fired at a McDonald’s near the Olympia shopping centre (OEZ) in the northern Moosach area of the Bavarian capital.
Nine people were killed at the shopping centre, according to police. Police said a body, found about 1 km (0.6 miles) from the scene, was found to be that of the attacker.
Luan Zequiri, a witness who was near the restaurant at the time of the initial shooting, told broadcaster n-tv that he saw only one attacker, wearing boots and a backpack, who shouted “an anti-foreigner slur”.

A video later appears to show a gunman firing a pistol on the rooftop car park of the shopping centre and engaging in a furious shouting match with a bystander, during which he said “I am German!”
Police have said all customers have now been evacuated from the shopping centre.
The German government has set up a crisis response committee and the interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, currently on a visit to the US, is returning home.
Chancellor Angela Merkel will convene her security council, made up of senior ministers, on Saturday in Berlin, her chief of staff, Peter Altmaier, said.
Residents were warned via Munich’s smartphone warning system to avoid public places, stay in their homes where possible, and turn on the TV and radio.
Munich central station was closed and evacuated and the underground system and bus network were also suspended. But police said later the city’s transport network had been re-opened.
Hospitals throughout Munich are on emergency alert and in “catastrophe mode”.

What we don’t know
No claim of responsibility has been made and there is no indication so far of the motives of the attacker. Police have said they cannot confirm any Islamist link.
No one has so far been arrested.
Police have said they could not confirm earlier reports of possible other shootings elsewhere in the city, including in a large square known locally as Stachus.
It is not yet clear whether the shootings, described as a “rampage” by police, amounted to a coordinated or planned attack.

 

[lainey]

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What does the guy say in the video? It sounds like he says "I did not just see that" in English and then something else in German which I thought was strange but I could be mistaken.

 

[Cosmos]

And here is the guy in front of MC-Donalds:

That is indeed crazy and eye witnesses spoke of several attackers. Let's wait and see how the story develops. Take care everyone in Munich.


Here is one video and I think of the same shooter as pictured above (be careful to watch, he is shooting directly on people):

http://<iframe width="550" height="...9Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I'm still wondering though who shot so fast that the eyewitness (mentioned above in reply #32) thought it was a machine gun. Could it be that he doesn't know how machine guns sound and confused the rapid shooting of a pistole with a machine gun?

There is also still the initial reports of eyewitnesses of "long guns" (reply #34). Did they confuse the supposed perpetrator, who allegedly had only a pistol, with the special commandos that were entering the mall and streets and had long guns?

It would also be interesting to know what exactly he meant with "having been in treatment". Who treated him and for what reason and purpose?
Just a normal ordinary psychotherapist or somebody that implanted stuff into his head (like MK-Ultra and stuff)?

Also, what happened to the alligation at the beginning that there were at least 3 perpetrators? Can it be, that the situation was so confusing, with all the police people entering the streets, that people mistook some of the police people (some of whom apparently [juding from the videos] were walking around in civilian clothes) for perpetrators?

This film goes for a bit before the guy starts to shoot and persons go /drive around calmly. So it seems there were no shootings before at this place. Why do someone may want to start filming such a quite boring street scenery? This film was uploaded quite early and the first part was shown in TV quite often. Good luck / coincidence or knowledge before the deed?

My guess is that he already shot before that point, and/or showed his weapon inside MC-Donalds. If you look closely at the beginning, it looks like he just went out of MC-Donalds (notice the door opening and closing from MC-Donalds, shortly before the perpetrator appears). That could mean that the persons on the street did not know what was up, when they heard a couple of shots before that point, from inside MC-Donalds somewhere (they probably thought it were fireworks or something). The person that filmed it, maybe heard the shots and felt that something is up there and decided to film.

Notice also that the person on the balcony of MC-Donalds (on the first floor), already seemed to be in hurry and at least two other people were already in running mode, from the direction of MC-Donalds (they probably already witnessed the perpetrator with the gun, and/or shooting it), before the perpetrator in the video can be seen to give of his first shot.

That probably means that the people inside MC-Donalds, and fairly close to it, already witnessed the perpetrator and thus were in a hurry to get away from him, and those people outside that were not yet in the direct vicinity to MC-Donalds/the perpetrator , didn't knew what exactly was going on, thus those people were not in a hurry befor the first shot in the video.

No conspiracy there IMO.

I think it is entirely possible that the guy indeed snapped and went bonkers. What exactly the reason are, remains to be seen.

 

[Cosmos]

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What does the guy say in the video? It sounds like he says "I did not just see that" in English and then something else in German which I thought was strange but I could be mistaken.

He says: "Hey, wie krank ist der Typ denn?!" which means as much as "Hey, how sick is that guy!?". There is no direct translation and thus exact transportation of the meaning of that sentence into english. Sounds to me, how one would react to something like that...

In short: I think the video is genuine and the person who took it wasn't "in on the plan" or something. How the guy who films it reacts, sound totally normal and not staged to me.

 

[Joe]

Russia 24 news channel. But they also say that German police doesn't exclude the possibility of multiply shooters as well. They even interviewed someone in Munich, asking him how is it possible that now it is one shooter, and he is already dead. The answer was, that it is probably due to the initial confusion, where the general chaos created the illusion of several people. Wonder what's up with that.

This is something we really need to figure out. In pretty much EVERY mass shooting in Western countries, there is always the initial report of multiple shooters, which then gets transformed into a 'lone wolf'. Why? I mean, every time! Is it really possible that people can be so confused? We're talking here about individual eyewitnesses who claim to see more than one person shooting. Imagine yourself in this situation, what conditions would be required for you to mistake 1 person for 3 people and be so sure that you saw 3 that you tell the media for sure that there are 3?

 

[casper]

"Munich gunman 'deranged' teen, shooting had 'obvious link' to Breivik: police"
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/120753-160722-several-dead-in-munich-shopping-center-shooting

 

[Cosmos]

Russia 24 news channel. But they also say that German police doesn't exclude the possibility of multiply shooters as well. They even interviewed someone in Munich, asking him how is it possible that now it is one shooter, and he is already dead. The answer was, that it is probably due to the initial confusion, where the general chaos created the illusion of several people. Wonder what's up with that.

This is something we really need to figure out. In pretty much EVERY mass shooting in Western countries, there is always the initial report of multiple shooters, which then gets transformed into a 'lone wolf'. Why? I mean, every time! Is it really possible that people can be so confused? We're talking here about individual eyewitnesses who claim to see more than one person shooting. Imagine yourself in this situation, what conditions would be required for you to mistake 1 person for 3 people and be so sure that you saw 3 that you tell the media for sure that there are 3?

Interesting that russian media already reported about it being just one guy, a fairly long time before anything of that sort was brougthly suggested in the german mainstream media... At the point Keit brought up that the russian media reportet about it being just one guy, the common theme in german mainstream media was still that it were at least 3 perpetrators.

It was several hours later that it started to officially become "1 guy" in the german media.

 

[Joe]

Here another shooting on a parking deck? (Edit: That seems to be the shopping center.) There are two people arguing. One of them says that the other one has a loaded weapon. Other than that just insults. After that, shots can be heard. There is somebody visible on the parking deck, but at no point he seems to be in a hurry. Both have German accents, so it's likely they are natives. Confusing indeed.

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Two things about this. When the first shots are fired, there are sounds of people screaming for a few seconds. Who and where are these people? Second, there seems to be shots from two different guns based on the sounds...