Show #21: Ice Age Cometh? Extreme Weather Events and ‘Climate Change’
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Catching up with the shows and wow, absolutely great one. The discussion about earth changes and the interplay between the Universe/ behaviour of people, really helped to understand the "big picture" better.
Thank you also for the heads up regarding these posts, I had not yet read them. They clarify things even further!
Like many I have pondered how to possibly inform friends and family, about the mainstream challenging more objective information found on Sott and elsewhere. Earlier the few instances where I tried to bring things up, I was a bit too heavy handed resulting in "raised eyebrows and odd looks". Thankfully reading others' experiences and advice, I eventually realized it's best to not bring these things up, if the person does not "ask" first.
Joe's "allegory" about this, where the guy interrupting a man harassing his wife on the street, ends up having the wife attacking him was a great reminder: many people do not want to be "helped/ woken up".
Next one on the catch up -list is the show about the Julius Caesar/ Jesus connection.
Regarding this I had an interesting experience: I was driving the car the other day and having just come upon the issue on the forum, I was thinking about the implications while changing the radio station. At that moment the first words on the next station were "Julius Caesar" from Crowded House's "Weather with you"!
Eboard10 said:
Thank you also for the heads up regarding these posts, I had not yet read them. They clarify things even further!
Like many I have pondered how to possibly inform friends and family, about the mainstream challenging more objective information found on Sott and elsewhere. Earlier the few instances where I tried to bring things up, I was a bit too heavy handed resulting in "raised eyebrows and odd looks". Thankfully reading others' experiences and advice, I eventually realized it's best to not bring these things up, if the person does not "ask" first.
Joe's "allegory" about this, where the guy interrupting a man harassing his wife on the street, ends up having the wife attacking him was a great reminder: many people do not want to be "helped/ woken up".
Next one on the catch up -list is the show about the Julius Caesar/ Jesus connection.
Regarding this I had an interesting experience: I was driving the car the other day and having just come upon the issue on the forum, I was thinking about the implications while changing the radio station. At that moment the first words on the next station were "Julius Caesar" from Crowded House's "Weather with you"!
First of all, I'd like to thank you guys for making such great shows. I've been slowly catching up on them, but have been listening to them out of chronological order. Anyways, during this show, Joe briefly mentioned that "peak oil" is a lie and that oil can be renewable. It was so brief that I ended up digging a bit and learning about the abiotic oil hypothesis. While peak oil being a lie so that psychopaths can artificially inflate energy prices makes sense, I don't know enough about the science to determine whether the whole fossil fuel idea can be discarded entirely.
So, have you gone into depth on this topic on one of the other radio shows? I know it was also briefly mentioned on one of the podcast interviews with Jean Pierre Petit. If not, I think it'd be interesting if there's nothing better to cover. I honestly had no idea about the alternative view before that remark, and I think some of the readership may not have either. It seemed like there was an awkward silence during the Lierre Kieth interview when she brings up global warming, but I thought she was right about the fossil fuels until I heard this show.
So, have you gone into depth on this topic on one of the other radio shows? I know it was also briefly mentioned on one of the podcast interviews with Jean Pierre Petit. If not, I think it'd be interesting if there's nothing better to cover. I honestly had no idea about the alternative view before that remark, and I think some of the readership may not have either. It seemed like there was an awkward silence during the Lierre Kieth interview when she brings up global warming, but I thought she was right about the fossil fuels until I heard this show.
zlyja said:
Here's a video that may help you to get an idea behind the peak oil scam:
Hi Nienna,
I'm sorry for the very belated reply; my procrastination and self-doubt programs got the better of me. But thank you for providing the Prouty video. It'd be interesting to see what exactly the 1892 conference report said, but it's only free in French and is over a thousand pages. Though I haven't been able to find another source that discusses Rockefeller's scheme, it's logical that he'd do that to make more money. Admittedly, I was a bit turned off by Prouty's definition of organic matter, as you need mostly carbon-hydrogen or carbon-carbon bonds for a molecule to be classified as organic in terms of chemistry, but I got over my nitpicking after realizing he meant "organic" as biological life, which happens also to be how geologists use the term.
In case anyone is interested, Prouty wrote more about this on his website (_http://www.prouty.org/oil.html). Just the fact that crude oil is generally less dense than water makes the fossil fuel theory seem less credible; shouldn't all that dead organic matter have floated up above the water table and on the surface in the form of oil after millions of years of decomposition? And shouldn't our water be contaminated by some oil in that case?
Not to mention that oil is being drilled at 12.376 km deep in Russia. Prouty claims that the deepest fossil was found at 16,000 ft, but apparently Russian researchers found plankton fossils at 6.7 km (about 22,000 ft) in the Kola Borehole (12.262 km), and they were surprised how intact they were despite heat and pressure (_http://www.damninteresting.com/the-deepest-hole/). Any biological traces in petroleum could be from the oil seeping up from the ground. There's also an astrophysicist named Thomas Gold who discusses the theory in his books, and the Prouty website cites an article where he says oil came with Earth's raw materials (which I assume means it came with asteroids and other space rocks crashing into the planet) and also notes that it collects helium as it rises, which can't be explained by the fossil fuel theory. Finally (from what I found), there's this guy named Kenney who got a paper published in PNAS (_http://www.pnas.org/content/99/17/10976.long) discussing the thermodynamics of abiotic oil, and how his team was able to synthesize oil from wet calcium carbonate (which they used to prove that even oxidized carbon can be used to make hydrocarbons) and iron (II) oxide at high temperatures and pressures, meaning it's not limited to whatever quantities of space rocks deposited oil as Gold suggests, as carbon and iron are abundant in the mantle. Apparently scientists have also created oil from algae at high temperatures and pressures (http://www.sott.net/article/270652-Scientists-manufacture-bio-fuel-from-algae-in-minutes), but if we've been lied to about peak oil and the science behind it, what's the point?
I'm sorry for the very belated reply; my procrastination and self-doubt programs got the better of me. But thank you for providing the Prouty video. It'd be interesting to see what exactly the 1892 conference report said, but it's only free in French and is over a thousand pages. Though I haven't been able to find another source that discusses Rockefeller's scheme, it's logical that he'd do that to make more money. Admittedly, I was a bit turned off by Prouty's definition of organic matter, as you need mostly carbon-hydrogen or carbon-carbon bonds for a molecule to be classified as organic in terms of chemistry, but I got over my nitpicking after realizing he meant "organic" as biological life, which happens also to be how geologists use the term.
In case anyone is interested, Prouty wrote more about this on his website (_http://www.prouty.org/oil.html). Just the fact that crude oil is generally less dense than water makes the fossil fuel theory seem less credible; shouldn't all that dead organic matter have floated up above the water table and on the surface in the form of oil after millions of years of decomposition? And shouldn't our water be contaminated by some oil in that case?
Not to mention that oil is being drilled at 12.376 km deep in Russia. Prouty claims that the deepest fossil was found at 16,000 ft, but apparently Russian researchers found plankton fossils at 6.7 km (about 22,000 ft) in the Kola Borehole (12.262 km), and they were surprised how intact they were despite heat and pressure (_http://www.damninteresting.com/the-deepest-hole/). Any biological traces in petroleum could be from the oil seeping up from the ground. There's also an astrophysicist named Thomas Gold who discusses the theory in his books, and the Prouty website cites an article where he says oil came with Earth's raw materials (which I assume means it came with asteroids and other space rocks crashing into the planet) and also notes that it collects helium as it rises, which can't be explained by the fossil fuel theory. Finally (from what I found), there's this guy named Kenney who got a paper published in PNAS (_http://www.pnas.org/content/99/17/10976.long) discussing the thermodynamics of abiotic oil, and how his team was able to synthesize oil from wet calcium carbonate (which they used to prove that even oxidized carbon can be used to make hydrocarbons) and iron (II) oxide at high temperatures and pressures, meaning it's not limited to whatever quantities of space rocks deposited oil as Gold suggests, as carbon and iron are abundant in the mantle. Apparently scientists have also created oil from algae at high temperatures and pressures (http://www.sott.net/article/270652-Scientists-manufacture-bio-fuel-from-algae-in-minutes), but if we've been lied to about peak oil and the science behind it, what's the point?
