Smoking is... good?

[wanderingthomas]

Take a look at this for starters...

http://smokescreens.org/lungcancer.htm
http://www.sott.net/article/254745-Nicotine-The-Zombie-Antidote
http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2007/08/lets-all-light-up.html
http://www.sott.net/article/234667-Pestilence-the-Great-Plague-and-the-Tobacco-Cure#
http://joequinn.net/2012/10/09/comets-plagues-tobacco-and-the-origin-of-life-on-earth/

 

[domwatts23]

Thanks! I will

 

[wanderingthomas]

Sorry, the link for Let's all light up isn't working here is a good one http://www.sott.net/article/139304-Lets-All-Light-Up

:)

Also, there is a lot of info on sott about it just use their search engine.

 

[Mike]

You can also check out this book online.

http://www.lcolby.com/

Or the book 'Slow Burn'
http://www.amazon.com/Slow-Burn-Great-American-Antismoking/dp/0961946539/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1361849469&sr=1-1&keywords=slow+burn+smoking

 

[Kaigen]

Take a look at this for starters...

http://smokescreens.org/lungcancer.htm
http://www.sott.net/article/254745-Nicotine-The-Zombie-Antidote
http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2007/08/lets-all-light-up.html
http://www.sott.net/article/234667-Pestilence-the-Great-Plague-and-the-Tobacco-Cure#
http://joequinn.net/2012/10/09/comets-plagues-tobacco-and-the-origin-of-life-on-earth/

There is no Blog but you can find it in Sott.net
http://www.sott.net/article/139304-Lets-All-Light-Up

 

[Mr. Premise]

I smoked a few cigarettes from my 2012 crop today. I've had the leaves tied in hands in my attic, waiting for them to age since I haven't made a kiln. I took a leaf of Virginia, one of Burley, and one of Smyrna (Turkish). The ratios worked out because the Virginia leaves are larger than the Burley leaves, and both are much larger than the Turkish leaves. It tasted good!

Could use some more aging - I'm waiting for the weather to get warm and heat up the attic, but it tasted like a good cigarette. Very mild, most likely because I primed the leaves early and my growing area has some shade early and late in the day. The problem with that is the leaves are thinner. That's actually how they grow cigar wrappers, as shade grown, by putting muslin cloths over the plants cutting down sunlight. I definitely want to take down the trees causing the shade. But with the Burley being semi shade grown, I don't have to toast it.

I just grew three varieties in 2012 in the right proportions for cigarette blends, but now that I'm also smoking pipes I plan to expand the varieties I grow and bag the flowers and save seed this year. I have seeds for over 18 varieties.

 

[Voyageur]

I just grew three varieties in 2012 in the right proportions for cigarette blends, but now that I'm also smoking pipes I plan to expand the varieties I grow and bag the flowers and save seed this year. I have seeds for over 18 varieties.

This all sounds great, Mr. Premise.

My crop from two years ago was thin, there was just no getting around it with early frost weather and lots of afternoon shade as the earth against the sun lost degrees on its north westerly track by early September. Like you said though, it was smooth, and there was also a slight sweet taste. Because some of it flowered, saved those seeds and will try them this year. Last year's seeds (bought), along with poor weather, did not result in a whole lot, yet was so happy to see yours and others very nice photos of that years grown crops.

Good luck this year!

 

[Minas Tirith]

I restarted smoking a couple of months ago and am looking into the tobacco whole leaf option now.

In my country there are two online companies selling dried whole leaf tobacco, is that the same you were talking about? It seems fairly easy to "crush" it in a bag and then take the stems out. There is, however, no organic leaf offer. They claim the leafs are "natural", maybe I have to ask them what exactly this means. I am a bit wary to order from another country ...

Are filters okay?

Thanks, Emmeya

 

[sbeaudry]

Email response from Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Co (American Spirits) in regards to FSC paper used in their natural and organic brands...




Subject
prod info-FSC, paper

Thank you for your email.

To comply with Fire Standards Compliant (FSC) requirements of all state laws across the country, we simply use a new type of flax-based cigarette paper which has built-in “speed bumps.” Two speed bumps are placed in horizontal bands around the cigarette. The burn retardant bands are virtually non-porous. As a result, not enough oxygen can diffuse through the bands to the burning tobacco in order to support the smoldering process. As the lit end burns across these bands, the supply of oxygen is restricted and the cigarette is more likely to self-extinguish.

The material used to create the speed bumps is a natural starch, made from a water-based alginate that is an extract of seaweed. This alginate is food-use approved, biodegradable and applied to the paper in a water solution. Our FSC cigarettes contain the same amount of tobacco that Natural American Spirit cigarettes always have, and we use only the same premium-quality, 100% additive-free, natural tobacco our customers have come to know and expect.

Our FSC (Fire Standards Compliant) cigarette paper (for all of our styles) contains only natural flax fiber, calcium carbonate, citric acid, guar gum, water and alginate, which creates the speed bumps.

Flax fiber, from the flax plant, is a biodegradable, natural fiber commonly used in the manufacture of paper products and linen cloth.

Calcium carbonate is a white, water-insoluble, crystalline compound naturally occurring in various forms such as limestone, calcite and chalk. It serves two purposes in our paper: to increase the opacity so the tobacco is not seen through the paper and to control the porosity. Calcium carbonate is also used in toothpaste as a cleaning agent, in pharmaceuticals as a tableting agent, and in foods as a calcium-containing additive.

Sodium citrate is a salt of citric acid. Citric acid is a water-soluble acid found naturally in abundance in fruits such as lemons, limes, pineapples, etc. It is used in our cigarette paper to ensure that the cigarette burns evenly and that the ash maintains a degree of cohesiveness and doesn’t continually flake off. Citric acid is also used in foods, beverages and pharmaceuticals.

The sodium citrate is present in the form of a mixture of its sodium and potassium salts which are common to most cigarette paper specifications.

Guar gum is a natural gum that gives strength to the paper so that it does not break during cigarette manufacture. Guar gum makes up a very small amount of the total weight of the cigarette paper.

Water is an essential component of our cigarette paper. Without it, the paper would be unduly brittle.

Alginate is a natural material derived from seaweed that is used to create the speed bumps in the FSC paper. The alginate used in this FSC paper is sodium alginate. Sodium alginate is a thickening agent and is regulated as a food additive. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has affirmed sodium alginate to be a ‘Generally Recognized as Safe’ (GRAS) direct food substance.

The stripes that you see in our cigarette paper are called vergé lines. These markings are created in the pressing phase, in which the paper is pressed between a metal roller and a rubber roller during its manufacture. Vergé lines contribute to the strength of the paper. The ink used for the Thunderbird logo on our cigarette paper is made from linseed oil.

If you have more questions about FSC cigarettes, or any other topic, please call us directly, and we will be glad to assist you. You can reach us at 800-332-5595, Monday-Friday, 6am-6pm Mountain Time.

We appreciate your interest in our Natural American Spirit tobacco products.

Best regards,

The People of Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company

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SURGEON GENERAL’S WARNING: Quitting
Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Risks to Your Health.
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No additives in our tobacco
does NOT mean a safer cigarette.
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[shijing]

Thanks for looking into this, sbeaudry -- that's good news if this is the case!

 

[Mr. Premise]

Thanks for looking into this, sbeaudry -- that's good news if this is the case!

I read that too when looking into American Spirit FSC. Then I tasted one and immediately got the sore throat/coated mouth feeling everyone mentions with FSC. So I tore the cigarettes open and rolled them up in cigarette papers and they tasted fine. So I avoid even AS pre-rolled.
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[LQB]

Thanks for looking into this, sbeaudry -- that's good news if this is the case!

I read that too when looking into American Spirit FSC. The I tasted on and immediately got the sore throat/coated mouth feeling everyone mentions with FSC. So I tore the cigarettes open and rolled them up in cigarette papers and they tasted fine. So I avoid even AS pre-rolled.

I have to agree. We got the same canned response from them when we asked about the FSC a few years ago. But the taste changed significantly.

I think Am Spirit is owned by RJ Reynolds. Believing their canned material might be similar to believing Monsanto when they say GMOs are good for you.

 

[sbeaudry]

Thanks for looking into this, sbeaudry -- that's good news if this is the case!

I read that too when looking into American Spirit FSC. The I tasted on and immediately got the sore throat/coated mouth feeling everyone mentions with FSC. So I tore the cigarettes open and rolled them up in cigarette papers and they tasted fine. So I avoid even AS pre-rolled.

I have to agree. We got the same canned response from them when we asked about the FSC a few years ago. But the taste changed significantly.

I think Am Spirit is owned by RJ Reynolds. Believing their canned material might be similar to believing Monsanto when they say GMOs are good for you.

I was primarily smoking AS 'Blues' at the time and definitely did notice a difference when they introduced FSC paper. I switched to roll my owns and pipe, but later switched back for the most part, until recenly when I heard they add diammonium phosphate or something like that... So I figured I'd ask them. I've been smoking the AS red organic and they taste good to me. Im not sure if perhaps they switched papers due to complaints??? Based on their response and aside from being owned by RJR what are the thoughts on their listed ingredients?

 

[sbeaudry]

Thanks for looking into this, sbeaudry -- that's good news if this is the case!

I read that too when looking into American Spirit FSC. The I tasted on and immediately got the sore throat/coated mouth feeling everyone mentions with FSC. So I tore the cigarettes open and rolled them up in cigarette papers and they tasted fine. So I avoid even AS pre-rolled.

I have to agree. We got the same canned response from them when we asked about the FSC a few years ago. But the taste changed significantly.

I think Am Spirit is owned by RJ Reynolds. Believing their canned material might be similar to believing Monsanto when they say GMOs are good for you.

Also, Santa Fe is at least a separate wing. One of RJs big brands is Camel. Camel v AS is night and day. Most of the people I know who smoke camels or marlboros don't like AS due to usually being too strong or too harsh, which I tend to chalk up to the missing additives they enjoy so much, OSIT. Anyway, right now I'm smoking out of my pipe, but I was thinking of getting a pack of reds after their reply... I guess that's why I posted it - Thought I'd check in and see what y'all thought.

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[LQB]

Thanks for looking into this, sbeaudry -- that's good news if this is the case!

I read that too when looking into American Spirit FSC. The I tasted on and immediately got the sore throat/coated mouth feeling everyone mentions with FSC. So I tore the cigarettes open and rolled them up in cigarette papers and they tasted fine. So I avoid even AS pre-rolled.

I have to agree. We got the same canned response from them when we asked about the FSC a few years ago. But the taste changed significantly.

I think Am Spirit is owned by RJ Reynolds. Believing their canned material might be similar to believing Monsanto when they say GMOs are good for you.

I was primarily smoking AS 'Blues' at the time and definitely did notice a difference when they introduced FSC paper. I switched to roll my owns and pipe, but later switched back for the most part, until recenly when I heard they add diammonium phosphate or something like that... So I figured I'd ask them. I've been smoking the AS red organic and they taste good to me. Im not sure if perhaps they switched papers due to complaints??? Based on their response and aside from being owned by RJR what are the thoughts on their listed ingredients?

I guess I would say, if you don't have to smoke those ingredients, then why do it?