Smoking is... good?

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This is another good one, with sources and books at the end:

http://www.sott.net/article/231973-Smoke-Lies-and-the-Nanny-State

also:

http://www.sott.net/article/262569-Smoking-The-black-lung-lie

and

http://www.sott.net/article/232039-5-Health-Benefits-of-Smoking

http://www.sott.net/article/270455-The-devious-plan-of-anti-smoking-campaigns-to-control-people-and-stop-them-from-using-their-brain

http://www.sott.net/article/227052-Smoking-does-NOT-cause-lung-cancer-in-fact-it-just-might-protect-you-from-nuclear-fallout

http://www.sott.net/article/273135-Smokers-lungs-used-in-half-of-transplants-Improves-Survival-Rate

All the articles above lead you to more links.

Samuel said:
I have a physician friend who doesn't believe this, who just parrots the government lies.

It is very possible that he might continue his beliefs if he is invested in them. But I understand from reading your other thread that you have holes in your lungs, and I bet that everyone is on to you about quitting smoking. Arming yourself with knowledge I think is the best way to go about it, and having ammunition against all the lies that they will force on you. Good luck! :lkj: :phaser:
 
Thank you for the links Alana !

I've re-start to smoke since the beginning of the week, I've found several tobacco brands with 0% addtives and tested Interval brand (for rolling). My tobacco seller even proposed to me OCB leaves in organic and non GMO hemp !

I was surprised to arrive to roll so easily my cigarets because I was enable to do any regular one in my young years.
The taste is a bit strong but I become used. Maybe I will test some filter.

A lot of things are taking place since 3 weeks :
* beginning of Keto diet ( and a magnesium cure I've just received )

* " EE program ( I've made 2 full sessions since two days before sleeping : I have slept very deeply, like a stone ! (I use to sleep lightly, easily woke up)
* and now smoking again !

I feel more and more energy, and it is easier to act now : good bye procrastination ? But really, I don't take anymore an amount of time to wonder if I must do this or that. When you have more energy, it is easier to act I guess...

Hope all this will have cumulated effets on my health and capacity to face what is coming... I've talked about my best friend to test the keto diet too, because she has been diagnosticised an auto-immune disease ( maybe a lupus - it's not really sure). She's ok to try it during this summer : I hope it will help her !
 
stardust said:
Thank you for the links Alana !

I've re-start to smoke since the beginning of the week, I've found several tobacco brands with 0% addtives and tested Interval brand (for rolling). My tobacco seller even proposed to me OCB leaves in organic and non GMO hemp !

I was surprised to arrive to roll so easily my cigarets because I was enable to do any regular one in my young years.
The taste is a bit strong but I become used. Maybe I will test some filter.

A lot of things are taking place since 3 weeks :
* beginning of Keto diet ( and a magnesium cure I've just received )

* " EE program ( I've made 2 full sessions since two days before sleeping : I have slept very deeply, like a stone ! (I use to sleep lightly, easily woke up)
* and now smoking again !

I feel more and more energy, and it is easier to act now : good bye procrastination ? But really, I don't take anymore an amount of time to wonder if I must do this or that. When you have more energy, it is easier to act I guess...

Hope all this will have cumulated effets on my health and capacity to face what is coming... I've talked about my best friend to test the keto diet too, because she has been diagnosticised an auto-immune disease ( maybe a lupus - it's not really sure). She's ok to try it during this summer : I hope it will help her !

Happy to see that things are moving well for you Stardust and that you have very good results.

Thanks for the update.
 
Gandalf said:
Happy to see that things are moving well for you Stardust and that you have very good results.

Thanks for the update.

:cool2: Thank you Gandalf ! It's so good to feel again things going on positively !
 
The only "problem" I have had with smoking is nicotine stains on my fingers - which doesn't go down too well in my line of work. My wife has told me about an "old smoker's trick": rub your fingers with lemon juice regularly ... reduces stains greatly!

Thought I's share that, in case somene else had that "problem" ...
 
nicklebleu said:
The only "problem" I have had with smoking is nicotine stains on my fingers - which doesn't go down too well in my line of work. My wife has told me about an "old smoker's trick": rub your fingers with lemon juice regularly ... reduces stains greatly!

Thought I's share that, in case somene else had that "problem" ...

Good to know ! Thanks for your advice. I don't like also the taste in my mouth after smoking and I 've found that chewing some leaves of parsley help really ( much than pepermint leaves).
 
Hey I've just found this site :

_http://www.mistersmoke.com/

not tobacco but accessories with very attractive prices : I've found organic filters - OCB brand ( pack of 150) : 1,30€ for one pack but 1€ for 34 or more packs !

I've made a stock ! :cool2: Tobacco himself will be the biggest expense :cry:
 
Growing up around smokers i never found their 'second hand smoke' an issue and was relatively obsessed (with fire) with lighting their cigarettes for them. My mother though had a serious distaste for it and attempted to install same,

And so through all the peer pressure i resisted, then one day when the grandparents came to visit i nicked a few stubs from the ash tray when they were away, asleep i think; smoked a few ends in succession (inhaling a bit of the plastic filter as well) and i must have had a rush from the nicotine, because i had to be sick. It was black and looked totally toxic. I was found on the sofa in a daze by my dad, and i didn't smoke again.

Until i was 21 and i'd been out of home for a while and had began to party, quite heartily. For whatever reason i 'looked like the smoking type' and it was a source ribbing amongst my friends, and i think in some ways this reinforced my refusal to try. I had always been very relaxed about it and at times took a lighter to be a good friend ;). Up to that point, i had only dallied with drinking. I was at a party, on the dancefloor with my friend, amongst much more intoxicated revellers, and indulged my curiousity. She procured me a cigarette - in the glory days of indoor smoking, though only a few years from the ban - i lit up, and the head rush was quite delightful, and complimented the mood nicely.

From there, i began to smoke more regularly, and within a few months i was on 10 a day. As time progressed and those who had been so curious about my non-smoking, due to the weight of propaganda and increase in cost began to consider quitting and professing all the negatives associate with smoking. For myself it was more important that i enjoyed it and i wasn't going to be swayed by a government/society i didn't put much worth it, so it became a point of resistance! (albeit uninformed..).

My brush with 'snush' (swedish tobacco snuff?) led me to have a nicotine rush whilst around a beautiful snow covered Swedish forest. I felt pretty sick.

It wasn't till my employment responsibilities became a source of stress and the general daily grind set in that i noticed how cigarette breaks blessed me with: a break from the office and - by whatever mechanism - the clearing of brain fog. I would have attributed it to just getting away from the computer to be honest, at the time. I noticed those mornings i forgot my cigarettes, or didn't have the money at that very moment to buy them; i couldn't work. In fact - and i'm sure this isn't all people, and i was by this point on the brink of exhaustion - my eyes would dart from side to side in my head. Again, probably exhaustion but the nicotine would give me that needed boost. And i was still drinking coffee so that obviously wasn't doing it.

What's interesting, having read all the supporting articles, is how coffee is very much a corollary of nicotine; in that it enables you to work harder for longer. And coffee is the one drug actually provided by employers, but we're at the mercy societies definition of acceptable drugs, i guess.

So i continue to smoke and have attempted to refine my use, in the same way i have restructured my diet. Rolling with hemp paper, smoking Pueblo / American Spirit and i've moved away from plastic filters to just card. I'm thinking about trying those glass filters.

Coming from a long line of smokers and having had the eye to observe the different 'styles', i would say there may be something to 'how you smoke'. I think i have read that those who smoke in particular way can negatively effect their lungs. This, however, may be more related to the general behaviour of the person (like Gabor Mate says); i'm thinking of an aunt of mine who was always in distress, had a relatively poor upbringing with lots of trauma, and brought this into her own life, and children. She seemed to carry all her pain in her chest, and i'm sure her breathing reflected this. She was always wheezing and out of breath. I noticed how out of sorts my breathing was when i tried EE, i expect shallow quick breaths were her style too. Therefore not releasing all the smoke?

My step-Grandad was a miner who worked in the pits till his 50's (i believe). He suffered the coughing disease many miners did, that said, he was a smoker till he was about 75 and lived to 82. I hesitate to say, he may be one of those people who actually protected his lungs due to smoking. I mentioned this to my mother - the only non smoker in the family, and VERY forgetful - who wasn't averse to the idea. He died of natural causes, essentially, maybe loneliess, but not smoking!
 
I had to give up smoking for the moment a couple of days ago. "For the moment", because I still hope to maybe get back to it eventually.

Even though I smoked organic tobacco with hemp filters and papers, it made me dizzy, and worse, I got these anxiety attacks out of nowhere. Maybe I don't fit the "genetic profile" the C's talked about. I was never particularly drawn to smoking anyway, although almost everyone around me smoked, maybe another indicator.

These anxiety attacks were peculiar, though, and after a little research I found that there are several sources saying that "smoking weakens your energy field so that you are more prone to psychic attacks". To be honest this was how it felt. I am relatively new to the Patrick Rodriguez Spirit Release thread (started it only this weekend). Maybe people here experiencing problems with smoking have

1. As the C's said not the genetic profile that needs the nicotine and "to work" to get into it
2. Attachments
3. A weaker energy field to begin with?

Just a couple of thoughts.

M.T.
 
Minas Tirith said:
I had to give up smoking for the moment a couple of days ago. "For the moment", because I still hope to maybe get back to it eventually.

Even though I smoked organic tobacco with hemp filters and papers, it made me dizzy, and worse, I got these anxiety attacks out of nowhere. Maybe I don't fit the "genetic profile" the C's talked about. I was never particularly drawn to smoking anyway, although almost everyone around me smoked, maybe another indicator.

Hi Minas Tirith. I recently had issue with my smoking as well, regarding dizziness. After taking up smoking again from a 12 year absence, I started with small rolling papers. This of course, gave me a head rush which I assumed would pass after getting used to it. As my "smoking itch" returned, I used larger rolling papers and in a few days my head didn't really feel good. The pattern was smoking in the morning before work (leave 20 minutes earlier) so as to be calm. I would sit somewhere quiet then walk slowly to the bus stop. Then after work I would deliberately walk to a distant bus stop slowly to take in everything in my surroundings, or review the days events. Both of these would leave me sleepy ( I'd get concerned reading this thread when people posted the opposite) and worse so if I felt rushed in any way.

So just today I changed it up, going back to using smalls. I rolled a normal size before work (as I re-thought it as medication, duh!) using less and I was ok considering I was smoking kinda fast as I thought that I was running late for work. No harsh taste (New pack of A.S.) or anything, I felt similar to when I wasn't smoking and yet, (somewhat alert) today was my most un-moodiest day I can remember. I even ate late which got me stressing about being late for work and yet... belly was good (I felt light, which was weird) felt "fresh." Cutting a long story short, I had rolled two smalls (lost one doing shopping dammit) for after work as a test (they were no more than my little finger, and my hands are tiny) and I realized that I had really messed up by falling back into a smoking habit (aforementioned smoker itch above) rather than keeping to SMALL doses and observing my reactions. I felt sleepy, though not as much as before and the C's comments you quoted are always swimming in my mind. But, I smoked for 10 years straight as a kid so I think I should continue my test for a while longer. This time I'll be using tobacco strictly as medicine - small doses feel right - and I don't think I'll feel the "weight" from such a big roll-up (thinking about it those things are huge) now either.

I may not fit the "genetic profile" but first time around my body was choc-a-bloc with toxins. So I'll give it through the summer at least. The comment "not if the mind is in the right mode" also rings true for me. If I fall back into those self-defeating mental exertions covered in various threads ( like on the verge of "splitting" for whatever reason crops up) then I'll just get a headache and my eyes will hurt. If I'm calm (mostly, this takes a lot of practice) and breathing right, being in the moment remembering my (apparent) lessons etc, then I feel good. I'll still keep loads of baccy around for when TSHTF and hey,even if I don't get that rapid pick-me-up others have talked about, it's been aiding my digesting (cool!) my bowels and for the most part, I'm calmer than usual and... It's enjoyable too. I'm sorry to hear of your anxiety attack, as a person who's been anxious since... forever, I can relate but I I haven't had any attacks when smoking thankfully. Perhaps there are one or two things that you're doing/not doing (overlooking?) that you could consider?
 
Ascien said:
Minas Tirith said:
I had to give up smoking for the moment a couple of days ago. "For the moment", because I still hope to maybe get back to it eventually.

Even though I smoked organic tobacco with hemp filters and papers, it made me dizzy, and worse, I got these anxiety attacks out of nowhere. Maybe I don't fit the "genetic profile" the C's talked about. I was never particularly drawn to smoking anyway, although almost everyone around me smoked, maybe another indicator.

Hi Minas Tirith. I recently had issue with my smoking as well, regarding dizziness. After taking up smoking again from a 12 year absence, I started with small rolling papers. This of course, gave me a head rush which I assumed would pass after getting used to it. As my "smoking itch" returned, I used larger rolling papers and in a few days my head didn't really feel good. The pattern was smoking in the morning before work (leave 20 minutes earlier) so as to be calm. I would sit somewhere quiet then walk slowly to the bus stop. Then after work I would deliberately walk to a distant bus stop slowly to take in everything in my surroundings, or review the days events. Both of these would leave me sleepy ( I'd get concerned reading this thread when people posted the opposite) and worse so if I felt rushed in any way.

So just today I changed it up, going back to using smalls. I rolled a normal size before work (as I re-thought it as medication, duh!) using less and I was ok considering I was smoking kinda fast as I thought that I was running late for work. No harsh taste (New pack of A.S.) or anything, I felt similar to when I wasn't smoking and yet, (somewhat alert) today was my most un-moodiest day I can remember. I even ate late which got me stressing about being late for work and yet... belly was good (I felt light, which was weird) felt "fresh." Cutting a long story short, I had rolled two smalls (lost one doing shopping dammit) for after work as a test (they were no more than my little finger, and my hands are tiny) and I realized that I had really messed up by falling back into a smoking habit (aforementioned smoker itch above) rather than keeping to SMALL doses and observing my reactions. I felt sleepy, though not as much as before and the C's comments you quoted are always swimming in my mind. But, I smoked for 10 years straight as a kid so I think I should continue my test for a while longer. This time I'll be using tobacco strictly as medicine - small doses feel right - and I don't think I'll feel the "weight" from such a big roll-up (thinking about it those things are huge) now either.

I may not fit the "genetic profile" but first time around my body was choc-a-bloc with toxins. So I'll give it through the summer at least. The comment "not if the mind is in the right mode" also rings true for me. If I fall back into those self-defeating mental exertions covered in various threads ( like on the verge of "splitting" for whatever reason crops up) then I'll just get a headache and my eyes will hurt. If I'm calm (mostly, this takes a lot of practice) and breathing right, being in the moment remembering my (apparent) lessons etc, then I feel good. I'll still keep loads of baccy around for when TSHTF and hey,even if I don't get that rapid pick-me-up others have talked about, it's been aiding my digesting (cool!) my bowels and for the most part, I'm calmer than usual and... It's enjoyable too. I'm sorry to hear of your anxiety attack, as a person who's been anxious since... forever, I can relate but I I haven't had any attacks when smoking thankfully. Perhaps there are one or two things that you're doing/not doing (overlooking?) that you could consider?

I also found that the type of tobacco made a big difference in the dizzy factor. Leafonly.com sells a Canadian blend that is very mild and didn't make me feel all "spacey high" and with my vertigo--feeling "spiny" is No Bueno. There are some really cool instructions on making your own tobacco blends. Now that I'm more used to smoking, I can cut a little American in with my Canadian variety. Also-I started out with a pipe and then switched to cigarettes. It was a gradual way to work into it. I too have experienced the sleepy feeling sometimes. Still working on that. Started a magnesium supplement and that's really seemed to help with over all energy and sleeping (I take it before bed). But getting more information on the fact that all tobacco has different "flavors", tasting notes, and strengths has really helped make the process go smoother for me.
 
Thanks for your input.

I have smoked for about one year and a half and the "problem" seemed to have accumulated. In the beginning, even though having been an absolute newbie, I can't remember having had much difficulty. On the contrary, smoking seemed to make me more aware and awake (I am near-sighted and I even had the impression I could see better into the distance).

It came bit by bit, and my cigarettes got smaller and smaller, like yours, Ascien. Walking AND smoking became impossible (I had done that in the beginning), I had to sit. And then, at some point, the anxiety started. I am Keto since April, but even though I experienced A LOT of health benefits immediately, it did not change anything with the smoking. In the end, it took me 15 minutes to recover from a cigarette and I stopped.

I prefer the Manitou Organic, but have tried other additive free brands (strong and not so strong), without noticing much difference on the anxiety front. I have never tried the mixing, Magpie, so that might be something to look into.

I always enjoyed the aspect that Itellsya above mentions, the welcome "break" in between tasks. Mechanically I am rushing from one thing to the next, this is a strong program, and the cigarette helped to break it, so I am missing this aspect.

Subjectively it feels when smoking a curtain is drawn away and "something" is allowed to enter, and I think, that's why I resonated with this attachment theory.

M.T.
 
I just came across this petition, hope it is appropriate to post it in here: _http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/For_anyone_to_be_able_to_smoke_indoors/?cARXvdb
 
I've a friend who has to do some traveling with a person who has more advanced Parkinson's, and it is well understood that nicotine benefits people in many ways, including Parkinson's disease. As this person is already advanced with Parkinson's, is there a study that points to nicotine abating the disease effects. This person is asking me how best to make it easier for what may be a arduous journey. If nicotine can help, was thinking that perhaps nicotine patches while traveling could work to help limit difficulties - they would need to conduct a pre-trial based on ensuring no contraindications would offset benefits.

Here is what I'm thinking

SoTT - Health Benefits of Smoking
2. Smoking lowers risk of Parkinson's disease

Numerous studies have identified the uncanny inverse relationship between smoking and Parkinson's disease. Long-term smokers are somehow protected against Parkinson's, and it's not because smokers die of other things earlier.

The most recent, well-conducted study was published in a March 2010 issue of the journal Neurology. Far from determining a cause for the protective effect, these researchers found that the number of years spent smoking, more so than the number of cigarettes smoked daily, mattered more for a stronger protective effect.

Harvard researchers were among the first to provide convincing evidence that smokers were less likely to develop Parkinson's. In a study published in Neurology in March 2007, these researchers found the protective effect wanes after smokers quit. And they concluded, in their special scientific way, that they didn't have a clue as to why.

So this is looking like one needs a build-up over many years - long term for this disease, although not exactly determined for how long.

Nonetheless, in this article in SoTT - Nicotine helps Alzheimers and Parkinsons Patients, it sounds very promising, although the bolded part (mixing with Med's) seems a big barrier. If this person was taking Med's, which is likely, it seems a moot point for them to even try. Furthermore, they may be keen on reading this type of information, however, when it comes to stopping one thing to try others, and if not coming from a physician, most people will not do this.

Any advice would be appreciated.

[...]For Parkinson's disease, both acute and chronic effects were studied, with improvements in both motor skills and reaction times. Effects were seen for many weeks after treatment ended. However, when added to existing Parkinson's disease medicine, no additional improvement was seen in the patients.[...]
 

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