Smoking is... good?

[Echo Blue]

Interesting history about your dad, Echo Blue, and about the emphysema development upon leaving the pulp mill (for his friends too). These pulp mills contain a great deal of chemicals, gases and high heat as part of the pulping process, and not sure of his exact work (or that of his friends) that may have added a relationship to his emphysema. Guess what I'm saying is that it is possible that smoking did aggravate this condition, yet it may have been build up upon other factors too; as was said or things like working around diesel generators, equipment or what have you, it's just hard to know.

Hi Voyager,

I'm not sure of my father's exact work at the Mill. He never talked about it. And I agree that other factors were probably present to cause his condition. The reason I wrote about it was because I sometimes see patterns in life and for many years, as one after another of my father's co-worker's died, when talking to the families, the same series of events seem to occur .... they were all smokers, they retired, got sick, put on oxygen and diagnosed with emphysema, and eventually passed. Because of this odd occurrence, I thought I'd mention what happened to him.

The older I get, the more curious life becomes.

PS: I just remembered and thought I should have added this - my dad did shift work. So that was another contributing factor I'm sure. He worked 7am to 3pm one week, 3pm to 11pm the next and 11pm to 7am after that and on and on for more than 25 years. And we know now how important sleep is to your wellbeing.

 

[Yupo]

What I was taught in early 1980s in Pathology class (by a very old professor) was something to the effect of (for lung pathologies) Cigarettes maybe not so big a deal, Asbestos maybe not so big a deal, cigarettes + Asbestos = an often lethal combination.

 

[Keit]

What I was taught in early 1980s in Pathology class (by a very old professor) was something to the effect of (for lung pathologies) Cigarettes maybe not so big a deal, Asbestos maybe not so big a deal, cigarettes + Asbestos = an often lethal combination.

Did he explain why? If so, could you share the explanation here? Because many testimonies so far indicate that smoking actually protects lung alveolars from damage by substances like asbestos and other.

 

[Yupo]

Did he explain why? If so, could you share the explanation here? Because many testimonies so far indicate that smoking actually protects lung alveolars from damage by substances like asbestos and other.

He did. I don't want to get into a paraphrased explanation here because I can't be sure of accuracy since memory is not perfect and it has been a long time. I will ask around to see if any of my old classmates recorded/transcribed these lectures. I remember seeing lecture slides with different types of fibers in tissues. Some fibers are a lot worse than others (or so I was taught) but details like which ones I can't remember. Call me brainwashed, but I believe this to be true. I am open minded enough to look at contradictory information on this subject, however.

The subject has interested me in a small way since then. I make a note (to self) of patients that report Asbestos related disease and disability to me. It isn't something I ask about specifically. I have ever seen a case of this in which the individual was not also a smoker. Small sample, though. Maybe 2-3 people a year in a 30 year career.

My intention in contributing to this thread is to provide some information for a balanced perspective that many might not have seen or heard about. Just networking. I'm not saying anyone here should quit smoking or that smoking is all bad. Like with most things, there is some good and some not so good is my belief.

Malignancy etiology is probably way more complex than anyone can imagine.

 

[Hitsu]

Hi Folks

Can somebody give me a link to shop where I can buy quality tobacco + apparatus required to make cigarettes?

Thanks

 

[Christine]

Hi Hitsu,

thereof There : https://www.leafonly.com/cigarette-tobacco-leaf/tobacco-leaves

 

[Rhythmik]

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/15/queensland-health-minister-open-to-lifetime-smoking-ban-for-those-born-after-2001

Queensland health minister open to lifetime smoking ban for those born after 2001

:( Australia is really going overboard with their attempt to eradicate smoking.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/03/smokers-to-pay-more-than-45-for-a-packet-of-cigarettes-from-2020

Australian smokers to pay more than $45 for a packet of cigarettes from 2020

 

[Yupo]

That's just asking for mob/black market involvement.

 

[Hitsu]

Hi Hitsu,

thereof There : https://www.leafonly.com/cigarette-tobacco-leaf/tobacco-leaves

Thanks for the help Christine :)

It looks like they are located in US.

440 Middlefield St Middletown, CT

Sorry, I didn't highlighted the fact that I live in Europe. Do you know (or somebody else) any providers that are from Europe (cheaper shipping costs)?

Or maybe they are the best and they sent tobacco world-wide.

2. Which stuff do you recommend? :D

Edit:

Wow, this one is fermented
https://www.leafonly.com/cigarette-tobacco-leaf/tobacco-leaves/perique-whole-raw-leaf-pipe-tobacco

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perique
> The fruity aroma is the result of hundreds of volatile compounds created by anaerobic fermentation of the tobacco.

I wonder whether other products are also fermented tobacco.
I read somewhere on Internet (I can't find it right now), that mainstream tobacco is not fermented.

 

[Mr. Premise]

Hi Folks

Can somebody give me a link to shop where I can buy quality tobacco + apparatus required to make cigarettes?

Thanks

Wholeleaftobacco.com has a large selection of high quality leaf and I think they still have an EU distributor.

 

[Keit]

My intention in contributing to this thread is to provide some information for a balanced perspective that many might not have seen or heard about. Just networking. I'm not saying anyone here should quit smoking or that smoking is all bad. Like with most things, there is some good and some not so good is my belief.

Yes, I understand. And I really commend and appreciate your efforts and that you do communicate despite having different views and experiences.

I think that the main problem when it comes to smoking, that the campaign against it can be compared to ongoing and grossly disproportionate efforts to discredit Russia.

Sure, there is no doubt that smoking isn't good for everyone. That is a given. Take only the fact that tobacco belongs to the family of nightshades, so who knows if there are no subtle reactions similar to reactions to other plants and vegetables from the nightshade family. And there are a lot of other examples too. That's why the Universe has given us a brain and the ability to think, so each of us could make individual choices and see if potential damages outweigh the factual benefits.

So the main issue is, in my opinion, that once there was a time when smoking wasn't more "damaging" than many other substances people used, ingested or inhaled on a daily basis. I can see it in the reaction others have to me smoking rolling tobacco. At first they condemn my smoking. And then, when I explain to them that it is a rolling tobacco and cite basic differences between that and cigarettes, suddenly some experience cognitive dissonance and are not being so "vocal in their protest" anymore. And some even share stories about their grandfathers, who smoked home-grown tobacco all their lives and lived to a ripe old age.

But, of course, there are also full-blown authoritarians, who spout the anti-smoking narrative without listening to any explanations. But they are actually a minority so far. And, according to my observation, their anti-smoking views are nothing but a cover to their general antagonistic and "right man syndrome" approach toward life and people. Meaning, it could easily be another topic than smoking.

 

[Yupo]

Meaning, it could easily be another topic than smoking.

True. It is part of their operating program. Insert any religion, cause, whatever into the appropriate field and the behavior comes out.

 

[Siberia]

Sure, there is no doubt that smoking isn't good for everyone. That is a given. Take only the fact that tobacco belongs to the family of nightshades, so who knows if there are no subtle reactions similar to reactions to other plants and vegetables from the nightshade family. And there are a lot of other examples too. That's why the Universe has given us a brain and the ability to think, so each of us could make individual choices and see if potential damages outweigh the factual benefits.

True, and also from my personal experience, even one and the same person can have different degree of need for tobacco at different times. For example, sometimes I feel that I don't need smoking at all and can go without it for a couple of weeks or a month. At other times, I feel that I need to smoke more than one pipe a day. So I usually try to listen to my body in that respect and follow my feelings. It's probably akin to other medicines and supplements: when a person has caught flu, for example, they need more vitamin C than usually, etc.

I admit the possibility that one day I could find smoking unnecessary for me and quit it completely, but for now I feel that I clearly benefit from it: it facilitates my digestion, clear thinking and overall immunity.

 

[Hitsu]

https://youtu.be/Jdyk--XiuIs?t=6m25s

> Radiation monitor tobacco American Spirit Organic pouch Roll-Your-Own 11-25-2013 | Organic Slant

 

[lainey]

Sure, there is no doubt that smoking isn't good for everyone. That is a given. Take only the fact that tobacco belongs to the family of nightshades, so who knows if there are no subtle reactions similar to reactions to other plants and vegetables from the nightshade family. And there are a lot of other examples too. That's why the Universe has given us a brain and the ability to think, so each of us could make individual choices and see if potential damages outweigh the factual benefits.

True, and also from my personal experience, even one and the same person can have different degree of need for tobacco at different times. For example, sometimes I feel that I don't need smoking at all and can go without it for a couple of weeks or a month. At other times, I feel that I need to smoke more than one pipe a day. So I usually try to listen to my body in that respect and follow my feelings. It's probably akin to other medicines and supplements: when a person has caught flu, for example, they need more vitamin C than usually, etc.

I admit the possibility that one day I could find smoking unnecessary for me and quit it completely, but for now I feel that I clearly benefit from it: it facilitates my digestion, clear thinking and overall immunity.

I find that I'm the same, and as I continue with the iodine protocol I find the desire to smoke becomes less and less. I agree that it does help with digestion as well.