Smoking is... good?

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Color said:
dant said:
Since tobacco prices are climbing quite rapidly (in OR USA it started at $2.25/oz US.
and climbed to $2.75/oz. US) in 1 month at a cheap place but elsewhere in the region
is $3.00+/oz. US and climbing, so maybe consider buying bulk?
What is: /oz? I mean- what "oz" stands for?

thx
It means "per ounce". Unrolled tobacco is sold by the ounce in the States. It would probably translate to grams in the metric system.
 
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It means "per ounce". Unrolled tobacco is sold by the ounce in the States. It would probably translate to grams in the metric system.
sorry for distraction of the subject,... I've been writing a response to the subject, in the meanwhile, but still,
wondering about "the oz" ;-P it says on the net:

"An avoirdupois ounce is equal to 437.5 grains. There are 16 avoirdupois ounces in an avoirdupois pound. In 1958 the United States and countries of the Commonwealth of Nations defined the mass of the international avoirdupois pound to be 0.453 592 37 kilograms. Consequently, since the definition of the international avoirdupois pound in 1958, the international ounce is defined to be equal to about 28.349 523 grams."

And, I have this site for that kind of troubles: http://www.worldwidemetric.com/metcal.htm
but... no 'oz' in it ;-)

that all makes my head spin so please help me with it and simple reply to my wondering:
what would be the answer to the question: What do u consider an oz to be in our grams equallent?

And, if not asking too much- What's an average tobacco (in grams or in oz) bags weight - sold in packages in the US?

thx
 
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Color said:
And, I have this site for that kind of troubles: http://www.worldwidemetric.com/metcal.htm
but... no 'oz' in it
OZ is in it. It's right in the middle, in the Weight Conversion Calculator category.

Color said:
What do u consider an oz to be in our grams equallent?
1 ounce is equal to approx. 28 grams.
 
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dant said:
I wonder if it is cheaper to buy your own raw materials and either get a pipe or get
your own papers and roll your own (with your fingers. It's quite fun once you get the
hang of it and also it slows you down a little preventing you from finishing one drag
and whipping out another in succession aiding "in moderation"? :)
And rolling your own, if you put the cigarette down in the ashtray to type a message or whatever, it goes out, rather than burning down. SO that saves a bit too.

Darn, now my cigarette has gone out. :)
 
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dant said:
I wonder if it is cheaper to buy your own raw materials and either get a pipe or get
your own papers and roll your own (with your fingers. It's quite fun once you get the
hang of it and also it slows you down a little preventing you from finishing one drag
and whipping out another in succession aiding "in moderation"? :)
It's not so fun if u're a woman and have ur own long nails,
it becomes a technique of it's own then, but once u get it-
the products are yellow nails and finger's top, after a while...
And... all the time which one acquires to make it... as if a benefit to ur health,
I've passed that, after a while of experimenting, in an easy way of
making a complete pack at once, like a ritual, during morning coffee...

Well, the yellow nails is the same as from just smoking, I guess... only sort of contribute to it.
Altough, u have ur pride of being a „smooth roller“ ;-)

From a smoker point of view: I have no idea at the time...
I know that tobacco, as in origin, has some possitive effects,
That's clear and easy for anyone, a bit curies, to find out, through history...
But what they are doing with the tobacco today, in order to „lighten it up“
and to make it „less harmless“... Heh!
I know it's no good!!! I have more than few informations from the people
involved in the very process itself, which they explained to me...
The tobacco is changed and in a bad manners...

At the same time, I am sitting in front of my PC, because of who I am at the moment,
for way too long.... Too long- in a way: I have an addiction,
for 10 or more years now, to light up a cigarette after cigarette
(no matter what I consciously and physically smoke)
and just can't get rid of it... I've tried, but it results in a way
of not being able to operate sufficiently as I'm used to...
And I have "way to much stress" going on "to even try to add a new level at it"- as: stop smoking.
I've tried for more than few times and no thank you but no please.

An addiction? For sure!!! And I hate it as such...
It shows my weak side, so obviously... I know my body don't need it...
It's me... Actually, someone said to me, 7 years ago, that... like...
When u have a habit like that, the one that's affecting u in some bad way;
it comes from some kind of a trauma source, and it's like a relief, for that particular trauma...
The way, a path, like a bridge which leads that trauma to some sort of discharge.
And if u wanna „set ourself free“ from a habit, an addiction of sort,
U have to deal with the very cause of it. With the basic trauma which caused it.
Or u simply get rid of that particular habit & end up with some other sort of relief
and another harmful habit, in order to get ease 4 the very same trauma.

And, while speaking of „trauma“, it doesn't have to be a dramatic thing,
It can be like... A boy has to serve his time in an army (here in Croatia U have to do so)...
And... leave his loving girlfriend behind... and, for example, that's the trauma...
and u deal with it in a way to start smoking... And years after that,
the basic shock stays and u have to clear that one out- in order to heal the complete thing.

So, this is what I've been told way back, interesting way for u to look at it...
U can take it for real or don't, I have actually no opinion on this theory as such,
as for the moment, I'm way to addictive to my pack of cigarettes right now, to deal with it...
Even if, after all these years, got some conclusion of what could may started it, at the first place...

And, I must admit, finding some things about smoking, here, on this source,
(although not completely defined) goes in a way, sometimes, like:
aliens don't like people who smoke and if: so much rush being produced about it
(within government/earth level)- it must be smfg deeper than just a simple „good concerens“...
etc...

It adds to my habit, in a way to finally get some relief,
from constant pressure of everyday's propaganda, about 'stop it!'...
And... I do agree... in a way... What do u mean,?!? Suddenly
u are concerned about smfg about lil people?!?
Common... Who are u kidding?

But, at the same time, I do find myself waking up with these sensations as:
thirsthy until I drink a lot of water, with a confusion within my head/body,
until I make a cup of coffee and light up a cigarette...
Like... that's the point when I can start to function.
(I'm NOT a morning person, among all, but still... ;-))

I've been lead through some Native American's teaching, and,
I do find some sort of the explanation for this kind of habit in it...
But... These days, it's been so interrupted, it's like...
Let's plant my own tobacco and then deal with my addiction and all the products! ;-)

I do believe this is the only reasonable thing I've came up with, so far, and,
sorry to acknowledge, I didn't realize, so far...
I even didn't try to find some simple farmer with tobacco field,
the one which, I'm positive, wouldn't mind to sell me some aside...
Maybe, some simple things in life we don't like to see as that.
We go and buy and find a perfect explanation why.
 
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noise said:
I smoke American spirit but I'm not sure if it is the organic brand or not. Usually get the blue pack, but I've seen a green and a yellow both of which I have tried but of those 3 choices (of pack of cigs) I'm confused as to which one is organically grown. The issue I get from smoking American spirits is that I have to double drag or pull really long and hard just to taste them.
They have two organic brands - a red pack (regular) and a organish-yellow color pack (lite - mellow) - they have "Made with 100% Organic Tobacco" written over "Natural" on the front of the pack.
Found on the far right at their website: -http://www.nascigs.com/OurStyles/tabid/168/Default.aspx

They say that "Our cigarettes also have up to 25% more premium tobacco than other cigarettes.", so they are packed tighter then other cigs and you aren't supposed to pack them yourself. Took me a while to get used to smoking them.
 
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After reading this topic and this link: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/diet.htm, I've decided to try smoking.

During my youth, I only smoked a cig. once or thrice due to peer pressure, but I never had the need to smoke more. After reading the above link, I thought I would try to "work" myself to smoke. This past weekend, I smoked American Spirit (organic), 17 cig./day. However, after forcing myself to smoke 17 cigs a day, I still did not had the urge or the need to smoke more after that day. Therefore, I have dropped that aim. Would that not a part of my "profile?"
 
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You may have missed the point where it is made very clear that only certain people are greatly benefited by smoking. If one has to work to smoke, they are most likely NOT one of those people. At no place in the article does it suggest that people 'work' to start smoking. I don't smoke, but 17 cigarettes in a day that you were forcing yourself to smoke seems like a whole lot for someone who doesn't usually smoke - and rather an odd thing to do, really. fwiw
 
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I am aware of the point made in the article. While it is ludicrous and odd on my part, I had to try. Clearly, I am not "one of those people."

Thanks for your thoughts, anart.
 
Anti-smoking pill may help curb drinking

http://health.yahoo.com/news/177193;_ylt=AhJa_x_29eEzuybORn4sOi1Lvs8F

I cannot even imagine what comes of this... except maybe an addiction to this pill since it targets a pleasure center in the brain.
 
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I've found American Natural rolling tobacco to be a lighter and more enjoyable smoke than other brands. Have had difficulty buying online from the link given by monkey but will try hxxps://www.xe.com/fx/ to transfer from UK to EU bank.

I recently saw a smokeless alternative used in Sweeden called Snus - pronounced like loose.
Snus, moist oral tobacco, comes in a tiny tea bag. It sits discreetly between lip and gum, releasing nicotine. Because it does not stimulate saliva production, there is no spitting. Even better, there is no smoke.

"It is the tobacco smoke, with its thousands of toxic agents, that leads to cancer, heart disease and emphysema," says Dr. Brad Rodu, an oral pathologist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

Eliminate the smoke, and you significantly reduce the risk. Indeed, Dr. Rodu found that a 35-year-old snus user will live on average as long as a 35-year-old who quits nicotine altogether - eight years longer than a smoker. Snus, or snuff, is especially attractive to smokers - who crave nicotine - because it produces nicotine levels comparable to smoking. Other nicotine replacement products like gum and the patch administer too little nicotine to prevent reliably craving and withdrawal symptoms.

The health benefits are impressive. Forty percent of Swedish men use tobacco products, and that is also the rate for men in the other 14 countries in the European Union. Yet Sweden has the lowest rate of lung cancer by far. Why? Largely because of snus, which represents half of all the tobacco that Swedish men use. (The other half smoke.)
from hxxp://www.sallysatelmd.com/html/a-nytimes9UA.html

ridiculously
hxxp://www.angelfire.com/blog/snus/ said:
current EU regulation bans snus (except in Sweden), but permits the marketing of highly toxic varieties of chewing tobacco - in particular those from India.
go figure...
 
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I wonder if oral tobacco products might be dangerous because of the
concentration of fluids directly onto the skin? How is moderation
controlled when you have close contact between the packet or tobacco
against the skin? I would have to digress a little but I think more (true)
data is needed before I would opt to try it if at all.

Yes, smoke inhalation is another subject as well and the question is it's
concentration? Is there a difference between cigs, cigars, pipes and the
tobacco itself that might over-extend the moderation quotas and might
cause problems?

I have noticed that the cigs I have tried (American Spirit) has a much less
bite than a strong tobacco product (Dutch Cavendish) and I can tell the
harsh bite (on my tongue, mostly) and cannot overdo it otherwise it would
become painful later on.

Just my thoughts that I wanted to highlight!

Dan
 
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Today i went to see a local bee-keeper from whom i buy good honey (not 'made up' in any way, all natural and he keeps his apiary in a national park zone) to ask him to leave for me some honey from Hippophae rhamnoides (don't know its name in English) in a comb, when it will be ready; and he told me: 'Oh, i have to give you also a honey made from a buckwheat (granturco); but not that made from a dark variety of buckwheat, but from white colored.' I asked what's the difference between honey made from two varieties, and was quite surprised to hear that the dark variery of buckwheat accumulates significant amounts of nicotine, and therefore honey made from dark buckwheat is high in nicotine and is not recommended for women. I thought: Heck, that might be a solution for those reluctant to start smoking!
I can't find any corraborative references so far, but he has 200+ bees families apiary, and like 30 years of experience with bees and i didn't notice that he tends to cheat.
 
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Dant said:
oral tobacco products might be dangerous because of the
concentration of fluids directly onto the skin?
what i read about snus was that there is research that suggests there is no direct link between using snus and mouth cancers. The research the EU used to base their ban on used a group of smokers who also were snus users. The way snus is manufactured reduces the levels of toxins.
 
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