Smoking is... good?

[dant]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

For some reason today, I was not able to get the "quote"
link to work.

Anyway,

Subjectively, one might think that it is most likely
lack of oxygen and lack of moderation to get your
body acclimated. OR perhaps one in which one's
body cannot assimilate smoking. Smoking is
not for everyone, or so I read in the C transcripts.

Isn't it like trying to hold your breath in for a long
time without air, or to put yourself in a very tight
enclosed space with a dense smoke environment
with little air, or to smoke with a gas-mask on with
a "feeder" tube exclusively with smoke and perhaps
one might get a bit dizzy? :D

Many times, I forget to make sure I breath in plenty
of air (oxygen) between puffs and do get dizzy as I
explained previously (I think), so perhaps one needs
to balance between smoke and air? It is almost akin
to mastering the "Zen of Smoking"?

Once one learns to balance between the two (smoke in,
air in, smoke out, air out... [Karate Kid!?!?] :p) it should
work, or so I think.

The other possibility is, if you intake a load of nicotine all
at once, being a stimulant, is it possible to overwhelm
the body? Perhaps.

Perhaps moderation is the key? Take plenty of time and
enjoy smoking small dosages instead of dragging it all
in at once? What's the hurry? Take plenty of time?

It would be interesting to hear from other people's
smoking experiences and their mastering of the
"Zen of Smoking"?

FWIW,
Dan

 

[pete02]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

Hi all..

I quit smoking after 22yrs and then read this post. It aroused my curiosity needless to say. I used to smoke Marlboro reds but then went to lights and eventually none at all. To be truthful, I actually started to feel a pain in my head every time I took a puff and started thinking aneurysm or something so I scared myself into quitting. But after not smoking now for a year and a half this post had me wondering that maybe it was the chemicals causing the pain and not the smoke after all. Off I ventured to my local smoke shop and picked up a pack of organic smokes (which were more expensive I might add) and tried smoking once again. Well much to my surprise I got very dizzy which I expected but then broke out in a sweat and got nauseous which i didn't expect. I'm about five cigs into the pack and every one of them has had this effect so far.

I know smoking is only advantageous to certain people and maybe I'm just not one of them however I will pace myself and finish the pack eventually. My question is whether it was the fact that these cigarettes were organic or not that caused the reaction because I've quit and started smoking before and the chemical smokes never had that effect on me. Maybe I should just toss them?

 

[Argonaut]

Re: The Cigarette of the Future?

I recently purchased an e-cig kit from Red Dragon (_www.buyreddragon.com) and I like it so far. It's a different experience from normal smoking, but still close. Prior to that I had bought a cheap one from an e-bay seller - that one didn't turn out so well. So if you want to experiment with this I definitely recommend looking into one of the higher-end companies, of which there are several right now.

I do still smoke real cigarettes currently (RYO American Spirit), using the e-cig as a substitute when smoking isn't possible. I've considered switching over completely. But there's still something about actual smoking that the electronic cig doesn't replicate. At least not enough to easily switch. In fact, attempts to switch to the e-cig exclusively have proven as difficult as flat-out quitting. I think this shows just how much the supposed "addiction" is psychological.

I was a bit alarmed to read that propylene glycol is antifreeze and possibly toxic; it's something to look into further. If it is toxic, would it mean that real smoking is actually SAFER than the e-cig? I suppose if the PTB start approving and promoting electronic cigs just as vehemently as they've demonized tobacco, then we'll have a pretty good idea.

 

[dant]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

To smoke or not to smoke, that's the question :D

How does one really know if they are destined to be a
smoker or not? How does one know if one has never
tried it or conversely, if one has tried it, how does one
know that the body is reaping any benefits?

Honestly, I do not know the answer to this question, and in fact,
as far as the nausea, dizziness, vertigo, floor hugging experiences
I had when firing back up from a long absence, eventually it all went
away but it took some time to acclimate and perhaps it also required
(re-)learning how to master the moderation part of smoking, choosing
the right [natural] tobacco, maintaining diet and health such as replenishing
Vitamins such as Vitamin C, D, due to smoking I read in another thread
somewhere in the the many smoking topics on SOTT/Forum and perhaps
elsewhere.

I have not been sick for quite some time and it
has been an interesting experience.

FWIW,
Dan

 

[Meg]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

How does one know if one has never
tried it or conversely, if one has tried it, how does one
know that the body is reaping any benefits

One thing I can attest to is the affect it has on thinking. During a 3-hour take home final this semester, I took a smoke break everytime my mind got "full" and fatigued. It seemed to clear out the brain clutter and fatigue. It definitely helped me think better.

I smoke, therefore I am

 

[3DStudent]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

I've had a pipe for two weeks now and have just been smoking it on the weekends. Though, last weekend I smoked a medium-full cigar (my third cigar) and I got dizzy afterward. I realized during the end that it had been out for a while, which extended the smoking duration because it was burning slowly. I assume it was a nicotine high due to the duration and my newness to smoking.

 

[Aiming]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

Hi all!

Could those of us, who've come to the realization that smoking is Not for them,
talk about the hints/signs of body/mind/whatever that led them to the conclusion to Stop the smoking ?

(For example, if I correctly remember, the C's said to Ark that smoking was not for him, while for Laura it was.)

So my question actually is: are there any Sure signs that tell one Not to smoke?

 

[Gimpy]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

Hi all!

Could those of us, who've come to the realization that smoking is Not for them,
talk about the hints/signs of body/mind/whatever that led them to the conclusion to Stop the smoking ?

(For example, if I correctly remember, the C's said to Ark that smoking was not for him, while for Laura it was.)

So my question actually is: are there any Sure signs that tell one Not to smoke?

Allergic reactions would be a sign that smoking may not be a good idea: hives, wheezing, swelling of the eyes and throat, sneezing.

If you've detoxed your body and don't have a candida infection, but still have allergic reactions to tobacco, I'd say that's a sign not to smoke. :)

 

[3DStudent]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

Allergic reactions would be a sign that smoking may not be a good idea: hives, wheezing, swelling of the eyes and throat, sneezing.

If you've detoxed your body and don't have a candida infection, but still have allergic reactions to tobacco, I'd say that's a sign not to smoke. :)

I thought the statement "smoking is not for everyone" was more meant to mean that some people don't derive any benefit from it, but I forgot about allergic reactions, which would definitely be an indicator it's not in one's best interest, osit.

 

[Aiming]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

Allergic reactions would be a sign that smoking may not be a good idea: hives, wheezing, swelling of the eyes and throat, sneezing.

If you've detoxed your body and don't have a candida infection, but still have allergic reactions to tobacco, I'd say that's a sign not to smoke.

Thanks for replying, Gimpy. You know, I was asking, because I was wondering about my own case. When smoking, I have a lot of phlegm, sometimes when having smoked too much, there's indeed some wheezing. Moreover, I have a red area at the top of my nose (the area, that's a bit beneath the point between the eyes), that is, the capillaries are full of blood (which, to my knowledge, would mean the blood circulation there is restricted), thus the red skin in that area. And there was a time when I didn't smoke for five months, and the red area vanished entirely. When I took up smoking again, the area went red again.

I haven't considered candida though. I'm still working on the candida diet (which is a work in progress).

So, I guess I need to observe and test around a bit (changing the doses of tobacco or cutting it out altogether for a test period to observe the changes).

 

[3DStudent]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

When smoking, I have a lot of phlegm, sometimes when having smoked too much, there's indeed some wheezing.

When I smoke I get a lot of saliva, and a little phlegm. Though when I eat I sometimes get a lot of phlegm from greasy or spicy foods it seems.

 

[pete02]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

Hi again,

Since my last post, the reactions I was having (dizziness and nausea) have slowly gone away. I think my system is just getting used to smoking again however, the pain in my head is also slowly starting to come back which is what made me quit to start with! As well as that, I haven't noticed any advantage to it what so ever. Therefore it looks to me like I'll be quitting again. Smoking is enjoyable but if your simply not getting anything positive out of it, organic or not, then I would say quitting is your best bet. Nicotine might be advantageous but the smoke can't be any good for those lungs of ours. It actually seems to slow me down.

The final choice of course is yours but if it doesn't seem to be helping, I wouldn't push it ;) fwiw

 

[Aiming]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

When I smoke I get a lot of saliva, and a little phlegm. Though when I eat I sometimes get a lot of phlegm from greasy or spicy foods it seems.

I also experience a build-up of phlegm when eating spicy foods.

In this thread Laura brought up the question of whether phlegm could be a detox reaction.

Now I just wonder: let's assume a build-up of phlegm occurs in the course of detoxing, that is, the body rids itself from toxins via the medium of phlegm.
Phlegm is also a well known by-product when having a cold. Then, there are foods such a dairy products, which are are said to be phlegm-inducing. Then, also when eating spicy foods, there is a build-up of phlegm (at least with two people already ;) ). I'd tend to assume that the spices are beneficial and help the body in ridding itself from toxins, thus the phlegm. (just an idea)

Now if smoking makes the body produce phlegm, does that mean that the body is ridding itself from substances coming from something in the 'smoke', or does it mean that the body is being 'motivated' to get stuff out in general?
Which leads to another question: do those people, to whom smoking is beneficial, also observe an increased build-up of phlegm or not?

Just aiming at coming to a conclusion here, if possible..

 

[dant]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

Puzzle: Yes, I believe that is correct, that Phlegm may
be detox reaction. The same phlegm that comes out
of the nose/mouth caused from a cold due to a virus
in the sinus or lungs.

It is also quite possible that phlegm may be due to
tobacco "junk" such as charcoal, and "other impurities",
but perhaps that is the price we pay for other benefits
from Nicotine in that it "makes more pliant, the veins in
the brain to increase blood flow which leads to better
synaptic/receptor connections. I believe that this is all
explained in other postings regarding `smoking & nicotine'
especially the postings from Laura, with copious supporting
documents, links provided to the sources.

 

[Aiming]

Re: new to smoking :what are the healthy guidelines.

I believe that this is all
explained in other postings regarding `smoking & nicotine'
especially the postings from Laura, with copious supporting
documents, links provided to the sources.

Oh, okay. Thanks Dant! I'll be looking for this information again. Seems I've missed quite a bit.