Smoking: Where can we buy/get Organic Tobacco (for SOTT members)?

Mr. Premise said:
Just remember that Burley by itself can be pretty harsh.
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This is my understanding too having just purchased about half a pound. As was suggested to me by the seller, I intend to blend it in with mostly Virginia flue cured and maybe some Turkish tobacco. He also said that I might try spraying the Burley leaves lightly with water as it comes pretty dry (and already toasted) but since the Virginia is already fairly moist we figured it would be fine if I decided to let it stay dry. The cigarette should still burn nicely.

Something else I learned is that you don't want to put too much water to moisten whole leaves because of the insect eggs that may get hatched as a result. Well that was news to me.
 
Mr. Premise said:
Toasting should kill any insect eggs!
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Maybe he was referring to the Virginia when he said this, because it sure didn't make sense to me that the Burley would be susceptible to it.
 
Here's some research I've done.

Hestia tobacco sells "mostly organic" tobacco. The founder says "much of the tobacco is organic". And that it's because some facilities are not certified but still says it's 'organic'. Check out hestiatobacco.com and talk to the founder David Sley (Ithink that's his name). This company sells only cigs. I break them up and reroll them with organic hemp papers (RAW brand) and with tips.

There are some online vendors which sell Yuma organic, or Manitou organic but since they are shipped from across the seas it's Very expensive, like 30-40 bucks just for shipping. Ends up 60-70 just for one pack.

So, the other two options are whole leaf.

wholesale-cigarette-tobacco.com/Organic-Canadian-Flue-Cured-5-lbs-020.htm is flue cured tobacco also Sells it but you'll have to email them and ask because it's not found on their website for some reason. They sell Organic Canadian Flue Cured Whole Leaf, 30 for 1 lb. He also doesn't usually sell by the pound so he made a special inventory for me on that one.

http://www.wholeleaftobacco.com/ Will be getting organic whole leaf on Monday, so, when that comes you can ask them about it.

Two other Canadian Organic Tobacco sites:
http://www.turtlelodgetradingpost.ca/products/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=110
http://www.turtlelodgetradingpost.ca/products/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=142

Out of stock now, but maybe will later. I also dont know if they ship to the USA.

Herbalfire.com sells pretty Nicotiana Rustica which I found to be superior to any other kind of rustica I've found before. But it just doesn't smoke well since it's probably fermented so it's very strong on the throat, atleast IMO. and makes me feel tired.

And lastly about uppowoc.com : I think the "aroma" is not really liek a additives but I could be wrong. It seems like, if you go into the "Sampler" webpage it says that the tobacco is Packed with a hardwood board. So maybe this is how the aroma is given to the tobacco? It's just hardwood, and I dont consider it to be unnatural. But it's possible that flavors are added and also the hardwood. Who knows. Or it could also be smoked with the hardwood? I dont know. I dont even know if that's good for tobacco. Anyways, I ordered from uppowoc.com the walnut kind... hope it is what I say, ie simply packed with hardwood and not flavored.
 
BTW what is SOTT?

I did not like Kentucky Select Organic. The additives kill it and plus it's very harsh and dry, irritating to the throat. There came a point where I could not smoke anymore of it due to that.

Plus the cacao extract adds caffeine in it which I think depletes me more than it should.

I wish I could find some Air Dried, or Air cured, organic tobacco. That would be best. Some green even. To use for parasites and in general cleansing.

But I would try fermenting it first, in fact, fermenting and/or aging is pretty much essential for all raw plant products except for some fruit. Due to anti-nutrients. I also think drinking/chewing is simply just better than smoking due to purity.
 
Ennio said:
Mr. Premise said:
Toasting should kill any insect eggs!
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Maybe he was referring to the Virginia when he said this, because it sure didn't make sense to me that the Burley would be susceptible to it.
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Virginia's flue cured where the temps go up to 165F. I don't know if that's hot enough to kill the eggs.
 
Also Hestia tobacco founder says if there are more customers he'll start to sell RYO pouches.

I think he also told me that he's still in the process of getting the tobacco certified organic. I'm not sure of that I'll have to check with him on that.
 
Ah, thanks Gandalf.

BTW I really dislike American Spirit Organics.

Hestia Tobacco is way better. I think American Spirit's quality is lower due to reconstituted tobacco, as well as that maybe there is additional processing that goes on with it. After all it's owned by RJ Reynolds, I actually think it's quite suspect.
 
BTW, I know most of your here like tobacco and all but... according to research cited by Gabriel Cousens in his book "Tehre is a Cure for Diabetes" he wrote that tobacco, alcohol, and caffeine all inhibit dha/epa fatty acid converting enzymes in the body.

I dont know exactly what that means but I do and can feel there should be a limit to tobacco use. It should be used consciously of course. Sometimes tobacco actually does hinder my mind, esp. in overuse. It'll also make me feel tired... but also I've never truly smoked an all natural organic cigarette, and again I'd prefer air cured or even air dried if possible. American Spirits make me feel tired all the time, and it'll really wear me out both physically and mentally.

There seems to be a threshold to tobacco also in that at the beginning it'll make me feel really tired and stuff but then after that I'll get "used to it" and then I'll feel that it benefits my mind. Same with the lungs on the smoking aspect.

BUt also again, I've never smoked really good tobacco, American Spirits, Kentucky Select, Even the Hestia Tobacco is not up to my standards to IMO represent Real tobacco. Only air cured/dried, organic, additive free is best. And I'd probably opt for longer term usage on the chewing/drinking of it... and probably fermenting first as with rejuvelac or something. Heck maybe even as sprouts rather than mature leaf.
 
Mr. Premise said:
I checked out the Uppowoc site and it looks like they've already added flavorings so it's not additive free but they may have already toasted it. Let us know how it tastes! Prices aren't too bad. About 3 to 4 times whole leaf Burley non organic. There's another vendor of organic Burley called "baccy grower" from New Hampshire whose burley has no flavorings. His stuff definitely needs toasting. Aging or kilning would help too. Last year his prices were $25 a pound.

Hmm.. Looks like there's a good market for organic whole leaf in other varieties. I've got about 30 pounds of 18 varieties hanging or still on the plant...
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Mr. Premise said:
Just remember that Burley by itself can be pretty harsh.
I don't know why the only organic whole leaf you can buy is Burley. To smooth out burley, I recommend toasting it. Just spray with water until wet,'put it on a bling pan in an oven at 200F until bone dry, flipping it over once. Take it out of the oven, lightly spray it again to rehydrate and seal it in a jar or ziploc overnight. Burley is. High pH tobacco so you can lower the pH by putting a teaspoon of honey in the spray solution. That will lower pH and make it smoother but toasting works well with just water if you want to maintain 100% no additives.
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I'll check out the baccy grower fellow. I didn't know his stuff was organic. Thanks for the tips. I will try the moistening & honey if it's too harsh. There is definitely a need for more organic tobacco... :cool2:
 
Menrva said:
Mr. Premise said:
I checked out the Uppowoc site and it looks like they've already added flavorings so it's not additive free but they may have already toasted it. Let us know how it tastes! Prices aren't too bad. About 3 to 4 times whole leaf Burley non organic. There's another vendor of organic Burley called "baccy grower" from New Hampshire whose burley has no flavorings. His stuff definitely needs toasting. Aging or kilning would help too. Last year his prices were $25 a pound.

Hmm.. Looks like there's a good market for organic whole leaf in other varieties. I've got about 30 pounds of 18 varieties hanging or still on the plant...
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Mr. Premise said:
Just remember that Burley by itself can be pretty harsh.
I don't know why the only organic whole leaf you can buy is Burley. To smooth out burley, I recommend toasting it. Just spray with water until wet,'put it on a bling pan in an oven at 200F until bone dry, flipping it over once. Take it out of the oven, lightly spray it again to rehydrate and seal it in a jar or ziploc overnight. Burley is. High pH tobacco so you can lower the pH by putting a teaspoon of honey in the spray solution. That will lower pH and make it smoother but toasting works well with just water if you want to maintain 100% no additives.
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I'll check out the baccy grower fellow. I didn't know his stuff was organic. Thanks for the tips. I will try the moistening & honey if it's too harsh. There is definitely a need for more organic tobacco... :cool2:
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Where do you find the baccy grower? Do you have a link?

BTW one thing about the uppowoc.com link is that email does not seem to work. I wish it did because I wanted to ask some questions.
 
well, I found the site on amazon.com but the storefront is not available for some reason. And I found the site on ePier but still it doesn't seem to work when I place a bid.

Odd.
 
This site: _http://aaatobacco.com/store-roll-your-own/kentucky-select-organic-gold-6oz-bag/ still lists the Kentucky Select Organic but they don't indicate stock amount so they may have already run out of stock.

The only 2 smoking tobacco brands I've tried are American Spirit and Kentucky Select. I liked that American Spirit is a stronger nicotine seemingly but the Kentucky Select was so much cheaper I bought a lot of it and stored it in glass jars. I'll be interested to see what develops on this thread for alternatives to experiment with before I run out.
 
I also was hoping for one source I knew about since last year to come through. Seller is Scott Bowlan, and sold a blend of organic tobaccos grown with artisan well water but it turned out that the weather did not permit him to grow ANYTHING! I was waiting for like 3/4 a year and was all excited but it never came through. I think it's due to geoengineering which is specifically targetting the small organic farmer.
 
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