Some Overwhelming Issues Iodine/H Pylori

[Leland]

Might want to read what I just posted in the Lithium thread. Maybe something there useful:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12314.msg639858.html#msg639858

Throughout searches and reading on all this, I did stumble onto lithium a few times, enough that I did a search of just Lithium in Google. Well, I got lots of scary stuff, and very little distinguishing between the potentially-toxic-due-to-low-availability prescription, and the biologically available salt version. Scaremongering, brain still not functioning well, and a very recent experience, all led me to pass.

I'm very happy I took another, more deliberate, and informed/reasoned look. I located the recommended orotate this evening, and will pick it up tomorrow. 5 mg to start 2x daily, and it can be increased. Reading the thread it looks like this could address several issues. Even one could help many others it seems, so I don't see a downside. All the other salts I've added (magnesium/potassium/Himalayan) have certainly helped. Thank you, thank you Laura!

You all are incredible, and incredibly kind with your help and concern!

 

[Leland]

Just a quick update and some news on a timely discovery.

Since adding the pau, lithium and neem, the phlegm volume has nearly doubled and urine is cloudy. We'll chalk it up to intensified cleaning and clearing. Lymph/tonsil/sinus is a little better and tinnitus about the same. I failed to mention earlier that roughly 3-4 hours after taking fatty acids/oregano/etc., I still get die off itching and sometimes a temporary worsening of the sinus stuff, so seems like continued die off.

I needed something cut but didn't have the tool for it. Called a friend I used to work with figuring he'd have the right tool. "Yeah I got something for that, come on over." Got it done quickly, and visited with him and his wife for a bit. Updated on my back and and just caught up with things. Mentioned the iodine to help with the fibro and an issue with detoxing, etc.

"Well, you need to go up and see my nana." "You're nana, why?" "She's had that health food store since the 70s, and can read/test your body, tell you what's wrong, and what you need." Ding Ding Ding :D

Went home and looked the store up. It doesn't have a website, but there are listings and reviews for it, such as "My doctor sent me to her," and "Fixed me up in a few weeks after 10 different doctors." "I was there while she was testing a woman. She told her she didn't need to take the supplements anymore. She's there for you, not just the money."

I have an appointment very soon with nana.

 

[Foxx]

Sounds like a good plan and good progress Leland, glad to hear it!

I'm curious about nana--if you go, I'd be interested to hear what the experience was like and what she said.

 

[Leland]

I'm curious about nana--if you go, I'd be interested to hear what the experience was like and what she said.

Absolutely. I'm eager to have it done and post the results!

 

[Leland]

Long day of driving and may leave a little something out, but wanted to get the main points posted. A few things suspected, and something out of left field.

I was basically the same today as before, but with more moderate-level tinnitus (vs mild past two days), and really cold hands and feet. They were tingling/going numb when I arrived.

Nana is certified CNHP/MH/ND/NC. I know the first one, Certified Naturopath Healing Practitioner. Not sure about the others. In her 80s and you would think 55 if saw her on the street. There are 20 year olds that would like her energy.

I had a few minutes to look at some of the supplements there. They were equal or less to what I've been paying. Reason I bring it up is she doesn't charge anyone for what I'm about to describe, and it's not made up through inflated supplements.

Brief discussion of iodine/metal/candida issues, and then she began (not necessarily in this order):

Left field issue - Hiatal hernia. Did a procedure which gave some relief and a pamphlet for several things to do at home. Didn't realize how shallow breathing was until she did it. Said it's very common and can cause all kinds of issues and symptoms. Not necessary, but I wanted $10 book on the subject.

Reflexology (feet testing) - definite impairment/blockage liver (hat tip Foxx), kidneys and adrenals.

Muscle testing - yeast in sinuses, blood, and kidneys. I had taken a broad spectrum 12 years ago (was 13 -- close enough) which began imbalance (metronizadole after a trip). Very deficient in calcium and potassium specifically, but salts on the whole.

Eye/iris reading - little yellowing but nothing we can't clear up. I have spinal injuries (no discussion of those prior).

Thyroid - not functioning as it should. She did not use terms hypo or hyper, although I'm guessing hypo because she gave me a thyroid activator supplement. Said good thing I came to her first, otherwise I'd of been put on something to take rest of my life that was completely unnecessary. "They used to test for three things, but now insurance only pays for one and you'll end up in a bigger mess than what you started with."

Aside from hernia, overall issue is the thyroid, with the yeast, kidneys, adrenals, and liver all stemming from that. Salt issue not helping any of it.

"If we get it functioning properly, the rest will follow."

Supplements:

Acidophillus and Bifidum 3x day between meals (already taking but needed to purchase some more anyways)

Salts/Minerals (6 per day, amounts below are per 2 tablets, already getting some/most but wth)
Vit A (beta-carotene) 250 IU
Vit C (ascorbic acid) 75 mg
Vit D3 (cholecalciferol) 100 IU
Vit B6 (pyridoxine HCL) 2.5 mg
Vit B12 (cyanocobalamin)
Calcium (amino acid chelate, dicalcium phosphate, citrate) 300 g
Iron (ferrous gluconate) 1.5 mg
Phosphorous (dicalcium phosphate) 94 mg
Magnesium (oxide, amino acid chelate)
Zinc (oxide) 7.5 mg
Copper (gluconate) 1 mg
Manganese (amino acid chelate) 0.5 mg
Potassium (gluconate) 50 mg (continue with other potassium/magnesium/bromelain I was already taking)
Boron (amino acid chelate)
Proprietary blend, 108 mg of Horsetail Stem and Strobilus, Betaine HCL, Papaya Fruit Concentrate, Parsley Leaf, Pineapple Fruit Juice Concentrate, Valerian Root, Licorice Root Extract

And the biggee:

Thyroid Activator (6 per day, amount below per 2 capsules)
Proprietary Blend, 875 mg of:
Irish Moss Algae (Chondrus crispus)
Kelp Leaf and Stem (Ascophyllum nodosum and Laminaria digitata)
Black Walnut Hulls (Juglans nigra)
Parsley Leaf (Petroselinum crispum)
Sarsaparilla Root (Smilax officinalis)

Only issue was with oil of oregano (Kills the good stuff too, and not necessary with all the others).

Feel free to ask any questions. If it wasn't something covered I can always ask next week, whether specific to my issues, or thyroid in general (overall approach or whatever anyone may want to ask).

Took salts and activator five hours ago. Tinnitus is back down to mild! Updates to come.

 

[Foxx]

Thanks for the update Leland! She sounds like she's pretty skilled--a good knowledgeable healer with good diagnostic methods is hard to find! Sounds like you're on a fast track towards getting things in order, so that's great to hear! :D

 

[Konstantin]

I`m glad that you are doing a little better Leland. This topic id fulll of very usefull informations. Thank you
My wife have very similar problems as you so this can be a good source of informations .
You mentioned a feeling of a lump in the throat. My wife have the same feeling and at her case it was from a acid going up to esophagus and made a small burns in there. I was not even aware of this topic until you posted a link in the topic about eating more carbs in the evening.

So i started a new one http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,41235.0.html where i explained my wifes health problems .
I wish you a good and fast recovery Leland.

 

[Leland]

I`m glad that you are doing a little better Leland. This topic id fulll of very usefull informations. Thank you
My wife have very similar problems as you so this can be a good source of informations .
You mentioned a feeling of a lump in the throat. My wife have the same feeling and at her case it was from a acid going up to esophagus and made a small burns in there. I was not even aware of this topic until you posted a link in the topic about eating more carbs in the evening.

So i started a new one http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,41235.0.html where i explained my wifes health problems .
I wish you a good and fast recovery Leland.

Thank you. Yes I am better today. I intended to post the burning/gnawing of throat in the thyroid area (This brain fog is maddening!!!). That has been an on/off symptom throughout all this. It is much relieved today, hands/feet are warmer, sinus/lymph node/tonsil pressure swelling and rawness is much relieved too, tinnitus way down as well. It was all a level 8-9, today it's a 2! I intuitively knew and felt something was still "off" and it really feels like this is addressing it.

These things have cycled so I'm going to wait a few more days before declaring success, but it's all much better after four doses of the new regimen.

I'm going to post some other things in a bit regarding the hypo/getting the thyroid working, but want to quickly recap my experience and what did work for me with the GI issues/candida.

 

[Leland]

Thanks for the update Leland! She sounds like she's pretty skilled--a good knowledgeable healer with good diagnostic methods is hard to find! Sounds like you're on a fast track towards getting things in order, so that's great to hear! :D

Didn't have anything to compare it to, but I was impressed, and sounds like you were too.

Overall continued improvement, but still some adrenal/hypo stuff so I just continue to treat both. Switched to a liquid version of liver detox and there is more gurgling, compared to the capsules.

I found that taking a 6 mg capsule of iodine would bring back hypo symptoms (burning in the area, cold hands/feet, quick depression onset) so I'm going to just leave that alone, and only get the little in the thyroid activator for now. I have really good energy in the morning. Sometimes I can take a nap though and then go later through the evening. Sleeping about 5-6 hours uninterrupted each night now, plus naps some days, which is an improvement. I'm feeling so good in the mornings I want to go back to work.

The neem is really clearing things up. I continue with that and rotate the other antifungals. I've had what appear to be two ringworm flare up. One has nearly healed, the other is larger and about halfway dying off. Sinuses feel fantastic. It has really cleared the candida there. Spleen did become a little sore and had lymph/tonsils flare up. I added butcher's broom which has helped and the soreness is only later in evening now. Everything overall really good in the mornings, but it still fades toward late afternoon/evening.

Very interesting tidbit on my gut. This time a year ago I got a box of lipo c packets. I tried them for two weeks. Whether I took at night before bed, or morning on empty stomach, I would later get..well you've heard of projectile vomiting...just the other end. So I just stopped. Was going through cabinet and found them earlier this week and thought let's give it a try, really could use some high available C right now. No issues, whatsoever. Seems pretty telling the overall condition of my gut one year ago, and what it is now!

The more I read and learn about all this, it seems to be a combo of gut/diet/toxicity leading to inactive thyroid which then leads to other issues. The sub-clinical hypothyroid, according to many experts, is near an epidemic as well, and most often accompanied by candida. I also keep reading that fibro and candida are accompanied by parasites. I know I've had amoebas before so it's not a stretch to assume I probably got some that drugs didn't kill, so I'm thinking once the adrenals/hypo are stabilized for a period (2-3 weeks) to do a parasite cleanse, but also want to to do a heavy metal as well. Not the DMSA, but a milder version using cilantro tincture. No doubt many weeks ago I was getting rid of mercury at the least, but I stopped the iodine so there is probably more that was redeposited. All my fillings are composite resin. While I'm not working I would like to get as much done as possible.

Do you have any thoughts on whether to do parasite or metal first (or both together), once everything is stabilized?

 

[Gaby]

Do you have any thoughts on whether to do parasite or metal first (or both together), once everything is stabilized?

Both possibilities have been tried. For example, Richard Horowitz comes down very heavily on the microorganisms including parasites, but he also leaves some sort of heavy metal chelation with DMSA twice per week or EDTA suppositories.

It depends on your priority and how you're feeling. If you are making progress and feel stable enough, I would try some sort of heavy metal detox. That will remove one important food source for the parasites. Then, when you do a parasite cleansing, it might work better.

Glad you're improving!

 

[Leland]

Do you have any thoughts on whether to do parasite or metal first (or both together), once everything is stabilized?

If you are making progress and feel stable enough, I would try some sort of heavy metal detox. That will remove one important food source for the parasites. Then, when you do a parasite cleansing, it might work better.

Glad you're improving!

Other than candida increasing to bind with mercury, I didn't realize parasites fed off the metals.. Wow!, Ok, I have a kit which looks to be a milder metal detox. I'm figuring that a good deal may have been redeposited once I stopped the iodine, so that should be more easily displaced and taken out. Then can do a more serious one later if needed.

Me too it's good to feel good again. Thanks Gaby!

 

[Foxx]

Do you have any thoughts on whether to do parasite or metal first (or both together), once everything is stabilized?

Well neem's a broad spectrum anti-pathogen (anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, anti-parasitic, and I think a weak anti-viral), so you're on a bit of a parasite cleanse already :). I suspect it's pretty effective against most pathogens, but it's hard to say if it's effective against everything. Iodine is also a broad spectrum anti-pathogen, of course, likely with a wider spectrum than neem.

I think chlorella if you've still been doing that would probably be fine to continue while doing a parasite cleanse, since it's supposed to be more of a metal absorber and not as much a metal mobilizer, so anything that's getting mobilized from killing pathogens will be absorbed by the chlorella. I think it'd probably be good to wait a little while before attempting a heavier duty heavy metal chelation protocol to get more stabilized.

There's an article up on SOTT about neem here:

http://www.sott.net/article/302210-Neem-The-miraculous-blood-purifying-herb

for more information on it.

 

[Gaby]

I think it'd probably be good to wait a little while before attempting a heavier duty heavy metal chelation protocol to get more stabilized.

True, some people spend even one year healing the gut through diet and nutritional supplements before they do the heavy duty detox.

 

[Leland]

Well neem's a broad spectrum anti-pathogen (anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, anti-parasitic, and I think a weak anti-viral), so you're on a bit of a parasite cleanse already :) ..... Iodine is also a broad spectrum anti-pathogen, of course, likely with a wider spectrum than neem.

There's an article up on SOTT about neem here:

http://www.sott.net/article/302210-Neem-The-miraculous-blood-purifying-herb

Didn't realize it was doing all that. I plan to continue neem for a few months, and of course there is getting back on iodine once everything stabilized. I know that mobilizes all too well. I'll be chelating it all however next go around.

No rush, and no plan to do anything at DMSA level for quite some time.

 

[Nienna]

I had a few small improvements while using neem quite a few months ago. Much more than any other alternative candida treatment. But nothing compares with the improvement I've had using Nystatin. I've been using it with the autoimmune protocol for the last 6 months. I started with 1/8th teaspoon, but there wasn't much of a difference so I used 1/4 teaspoon. Things started getting better. But, it wasn't until I accidentally used 1/2 teaspoon of Nystatin that there was a huge difference. I've used 1/4 teaspoon a few times here and there with a constant 1/4 teaspoon. Dr. Gaby had my using Nystatin twice a day on an empty stomach (along with what else I was taking for the autoimmune protocol) just before eating. It has really worked for me.

(Except I still do crave chocolate. Don't crave any of the other things I used to crave, though. Can't even stand the thought of sugar or super sweet things.) :)