Spirit board - Ouija Video
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I think it would be a great idea Laura for you to create a video on this. Personally I have always been concerned of the potential negative effects of using a board - more scared than anything else - so would be greatful to learn the technique. I have read high-strangeness (years ago though), and still felt that you needed to know what you were doing before trying - akin to having a guided. Now I know different I would love to give it a go!!
The following quotes should also help those with questions (thanks to Vulcan posting elsewhere on the site):
25 May 08
Quote
Laura, Ark, and 7 other people present
A: Welcome!
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
A: 5 near of Cassiopaea.
Q: (L) Why five?
A: It's a special occasion!
[Personal remarks deleted]
Q: (L) I have the idea that we should make a video to show people how to safely and effectively use a board-type instrument to work through their issues, to find out what's lurking in their own subconscious mind, possibly to do spirit release therapy on themselves (one of the few ways it can be done), and just in general to bring some light to the topic of using a board-type instrument as a means for self-development. What do you think about this idea?
A: 5 of us think it is stupendous!!!
Q: (L) Are there any particular dangers to this plan? If people who are ignorant or spiritually weak would attempt to use a board-type instrument, obviously they would have problems. Is that not correct?
A: Of course, but that is just the sort of person who would try trance channeling with absolutely no warning system in operation.
Q: (L) What do you mean by a warning system?
A: No conscious feedback.
Q: (L) What about people who talk about having played with a Ouija board or spirit board and they had some sort of bad experience and they felt like there was something evil there and they got scared away or creeped out? What about those kinds of stories?
A: Some of them are true, but most of them are just made up.
Q: (L) What about the ones that are true?
A: That is what we mean about a "warning system."
Q: (L) What do you mean that's what you mean by a warning system?
A: Those kinds of entities are around a lot of people, they just don't know it unless they interact in a way that removes the veil and exposes the fact.
Q: (L) So you're saying that when they use a board, it shows them what's there, and otherwise it's there and they don't know it. Is that what you're saying?
A: Yes
Q: (L) And does that also mean that if such people were to try some other form of channeling, that they would be interacting with something that their conscious mind would not perceive as yucky or unpleasant?
A: Yes
Q: (L) And why is that?
A: When an invitation to "come in" is given, the entity can produce pleasant sensations that override the conscious warning system. When a board type device is used, it gives a distance and a layer of protection. You then can choose if you wish to continue the contact or not. You don't have that choice when the entity has already been invited "in".
Q: (L) So it's kind of like the vampire movie! The vampire says, "Enter freely and of your own free will!" And if you do, you're screwed. And if you say, "Come in and talk to me, you're my higher self!" you're screwed! Very interesting. So in other words, when people are using the board and they have an unpleasant experience, it's actually a good thing because it's warning them to not proceed and to have no further contact with that entity. They can choose to send that entity on down the road. Is that basically it?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Will that entity go away if they tell them to go?
A: Yes, normally: and they also have their full body sensorium to warn in the event that the entity does not. But having said that, it is also important to remember that most entities that are encountered this way are already "in residence." A person who has a direct personal encounter with a repellant entity is usually only meeting the "neighbors".
Q: (L) So you're saying that what people most often encounter in these exercises will be attached entities that they don't even know are in residence in their space? Is that it?
A: Yes
Q: (L) So, anybody who encounters something really yucky and wants to throw the board away has just thrown away probably one of the best methods for finding out about this entity and helping to get rid of it. Is that it?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Because just because they have thrown the board away, that doesn't mean the entity they've encountered has gone away. He has just been enticed to speak, and once the board is gone, he goes back to lurking. Is that it?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Most unpleasant. (J) Is there ever a case where using a board could attract an entity that wasn't there beforehand? That seems to be the key question...
A: Yes, if the individual is knowledgable and the entity needs help. Also it must be made plain that young people, because of their natural tendency to dissociate, ought not to be around such activity.
Q: (Ark) Well, we still have the question about what happens to passive participants. (L) Passive participants in what respect? (Ark) I mean because we were talking about people who do the session, and they are so to say "active" at the board, but there are usually observers and a lot of entities attached to them...
A: That can present problems in some cases. Ideally all participants and attendees ought to be "clean."
Q: (L) Alright. So we'll deal with that some other time.
BTW - hope the surgery went well and that you're doing good.
The following quotes should also help those with questions (thanks to Vulcan posting elsewhere on the site):
25 May 08
Quote
Laura, Ark, and 7 other people present
A: Welcome!
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
A: 5 near of Cassiopaea.
Q: (L) Why five?
A: It's a special occasion!
[Personal remarks deleted]
Q: (L) I have the idea that we should make a video to show people how to safely and effectively use a board-type instrument to work through their issues, to find out what's lurking in their own subconscious mind, possibly to do spirit release therapy on themselves (one of the few ways it can be done), and just in general to bring some light to the topic of using a board-type instrument as a means for self-development. What do you think about this idea?
A: 5 of us think it is stupendous!!!
Q: (L) Are there any particular dangers to this plan? If people who are ignorant or spiritually weak would attempt to use a board-type instrument, obviously they would have problems. Is that not correct?
A: Of course, but that is just the sort of person who would try trance channeling with absolutely no warning system in operation.
Q: (L) What do you mean by a warning system?
A: No conscious feedback.
Q: (L) What about people who talk about having played with a Ouija board or spirit board and they had some sort of bad experience and they felt like there was something evil there and they got scared away or creeped out? What about those kinds of stories?
A: Some of them are true, but most of them are just made up.
Q: (L) What about the ones that are true?
A: That is what we mean about a "warning system."
Q: (L) What do you mean that's what you mean by a warning system?
A: Those kinds of entities are around a lot of people, they just don't know it unless they interact in a way that removes the veil and exposes the fact.
Q: (L) So you're saying that when they use a board, it shows them what's there, and otherwise it's there and they don't know it. Is that what you're saying?
A: Yes
Q: (L) And does that also mean that if such people were to try some other form of channeling, that they would be interacting with something that their conscious mind would not perceive as yucky or unpleasant?
A: Yes
Q: (L) And why is that?
A: When an invitation to "come in" is given, the entity can produce pleasant sensations that override the conscious warning system. When a board type device is used, it gives a distance and a layer of protection. You then can choose if you wish to continue the contact or not. You don't have that choice when the entity has already been invited "in".
Q: (L) So it's kind of like the vampire movie! The vampire says, "Enter freely and of your own free will!" And if you do, you're screwed. And if you say, "Come in and talk to me, you're my higher self!" you're screwed! Very interesting. So in other words, when people are using the board and they have an unpleasant experience, it's actually a good thing because it's warning them to not proceed and to have no further contact with that entity. They can choose to send that entity on down the road. Is that basically it?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Will that entity go away if they tell them to go?
A: Yes, normally: and they also have their full body sensorium to warn in the event that the entity does not. But having said that, it is also important to remember that most entities that are encountered this way are already "in residence." A person who has a direct personal encounter with a repellant entity is usually only meeting the "neighbors".
Q: (L) So you're saying that what people most often encounter in these exercises will be attached entities that they don't even know are in residence in their space? Is that it?
A: Yes
Q: (L) So, anybody who encounters something really yucky and wants to throw the board away has just thrown away probably one of the best methods for finding out about this entity and helping to get rid of it. Is that it?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Because just because they have thrown the board away, that doesn't mean the entity they've encountered has gone away. He has just been enticed to speak, and once the board is gone, he goes back to lurking. Is that it?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Most unpleasant. (J) Is there ever a case where using a board could attract an entity that wasn't there beforehand? That seems to be the key question...
A: Yes, if the individual is knowledgable and the entity needs help. Also it must be made plain that young people, because of their natural tendency to dissociate, ought not to be around such activity.
Q: (Ark) Well, we still have the question about what happens to passive participants. (L) Passive participants in what respect? (Ark) I mean because we were talking about people who do the session, and they are so to say "active" at the board, but there are usually observers and a lot of entities attached to them...
A: That can present problems in some cases. Ideally all participants and attendees ought to be "clean."
Q: (L) Alright. So we'll deal with that some other time.
BTW - hope the surgery went well and that you're doing good.
mamadrama
The Living Force
Namaste said:
i tried to order a few times but couldn't remember my password and would click the link to have a new password sent but a new one never came. Then Nomad posted a link to Red Pill Press (that was different from the one i was using, not sure why) which allowed me to order but i need to send a check or money order for payment and my understanding was that an invoice would be sent via email so i would know what the amount was. No invoice has been sent so i'm not sure what the status of my order is or if there is even a record of my order. Can you help? i would really appreciate it. :)
Laurel said:
I am not mistaken, there is a red pill press in Canada, UK and Australia. Then, it will be important to know from where you ordered your books.
And when you know from where, you could send them a post asking about our invoice.
Maybe if someone who is working from one of the red pill press is reading that post, he/she can tell you the best thing to do about that.
I have a technical kinda question....if the Cassies transmit thru/from the direction of Cassiopeia.... what about us down under in the southern hemisphere...Cassiopeia is never in the sky here.. can we still potentially contact them/us...can they use a different pulsar that points at us? which one and would they still be "called" Cassies?
Another thought that occurred to me , is it beneficial to try channeling before the galactic center/Sagittarius is rising? as there seems to be a indication that it helps to increase ones psychic abilities?
--http://www.jsasoc.com/docs/JSE-LST.pdf
Validation Data: Collection and Results
After the above analysis was completed, it was hypothesized that there was an
approximately three to four times enhancement in anomalous cognition effect size for
trials occurring near 13.5 h local sidereal time. In order to test this hypothesis against a
new set of data, laboratories were contacted with a request for any further free response
data meeting the same criteria as used for the original data set. Table 3 shows an
additional 23 experiments which were received comprising 1,015 trials. This data set also
shows evidence of AC with an overall effect size of 0.085 (n = 1,015), yielding a
Stouffer's Z = 2.70 (p < 0.004).
--http://www.lfr.org/LFR/csl/library/Bremseth.pdf
page 15
Case in point: the discovery of a temporal/spatial effect (of cosmic dimension) that impacts
human cognitive performance and serves as in intriguing yet transcendent-based result of the
remote viewing program. Local Sidereal Time (LST) reflects the relationship between the center
of our galaxy (Milky Way) and the earth's horizon in relation to an individual's location at any point on the earth. When the galaxy's center is below the earth's horizon, human cognitive
and anomalous performance, such as remote viewing, dramatically improves by an order of magnitude as compared to when the galaxy's center is above the earth's horizon (see Figure
C). An analogy might be a moving telescopic lens in front of an eye. When the lens lines up
perfectly with the eye, vision is extremely enhanced, but only as long as the alignment lasts.
In some cases, remote viewer performance improved by over four hundred percent when LST
was included in the protocols (McMoneagle 223).
googeling Mcmoneagle I came across this "noodle bar"
--http://www.remoteviewer.nu/index.php?name=News&catid=&topic=12&allstories=1 and looking at Joe Macmoneagle s blog --http://blog.mceagle.com/
I see that he is married to Robert Monroe s stepdaughter (military families anyone?)
Anyway , this is my question then is there any validity in the LST thing and how important is the locality of the channeler?
Thanks RRR
Another thought that occurred to me , is it beneficial to try channeling before the galactic center/Sagittarius is rising? as there seems to be a indication that it helps to increase ones psychic abilities?
--http://www.jsasoc.com/docs/JSE-LST.pdf
Validation Data: Collection and Results
After the above analysis was completed, it was hypothesized that there was an
approximately three to four times enhancement in anomalous cognition effect size for
trials occurring near 13.5 h local sidereal time. In order to test this hypothesis against a
new set of data, laboratories were contacted with a request for any further free response
data meeting the same criteria as used for the original data set. Table 3 shows an
additional 23 experiments which were received comprising 1,015 trials. This data set also
shows evidence of AC with an overall effect size of 0.085 (n = 1,015), yielding a
Stouffer's Z = 2.70 (p < 0.004).
--http://www.lfr.org/LFR/csl/library/Bremseth.pdf
page 15
Case in point: the discovery of a temporal/spatial effect (of cosmic dimension) that impacts
human cognitive performance and serves as in intriguing yet transcendent-based result of the
remote viewing program. Local Sidereal Time (LST) reflects the relationship between the center
of our galaxy (Milky Way) and the earth's horizon in relation to an individual's location at any point on the earth. When the galaxy's center is below the earth's horizon, human cognitive
and anomalous performance, such as remote viewing, dramatically improves by an order of magnitude as compared to when the galaxy's center is above the earth's horizon (see Figure
C). An analogy might be a moving telescopic lens in front of an eye. When the lens lines up
perfectly with the eye, vision is extremely enhanced, but only as long as the alignment lasts.
In some cases, remote viewer performance improved by over four hundred percent when LST
was included in the protocols (McMoneagle 223).
googeling Mcmoneagle I came across this "noodle bar"
--http://www.remoteviewer.nu/index.php?name=News&catid=&topic=12&allstories=1 and looking at Joe Macmoneagle s blog --http://blog.mceagle.com/
I see that he is married to Robert Monroe s stepdaughter (military families anyone?)
Anyway , this is my question then is there any validity in the LST thing and how important is the locality of the channeler?
Thanks RRR
PepperFritz
The Cosmic Force
rrraven said:
In Session 941210 (below), the C's explain that they are "not really Cassiopaeans from the Constellation Cassiopeia", but rather
"Transient Passengers" who are on the move, riding the crest of the Wave. In Chapter IV of the Wave series, Laura explains that "As it [the Wave] gets closer and closer, it gets stronger and stronger, and apparently, there are people destined to be these contact points. The closer the wave gets to us, the clearer the signal becomes. The next stop, according to the Cassiopaeans, is Leo."
Question: Why do you think it would be necessary to be able to see the constellation where the C's are currently located in order to channel them? I'm afraid I don't understand the connection. I'm also not clear on the connection with "pulsars"....
Session 941210
A: ...We are where we are.
Q: (L) What do you mean you are where you are?
A: Cross reference Time and distance.
Q: (L) What book do we need to cross reference?
A: Any star chart and Marciniak, Arcturas Channel, Orion
literature and Us. We speak from "crest" of wave, now,
where are we?
Q: (L) Is this a riddle?
A: From, not of.
Q: (L) You speak from the crest of the wave? (T) Are you
riding the wave?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) You said in another reading that you were 6 thousand
miles...
A: Window of transmission.
Q: (L) We are certainly hoping that you are going to make all
of this plain and clear...
A: It is.
Q: (L) Well, can you help us poor 2 strand DNA creatures to
understand this?
A: How far away is Cassiopaea?
Q: (L) Do we need specific distances?
A: General is okay.
Q: (L) So, if we just find the general distances... and does
each of these star clusters represent a general area of the
wave?
A: Each represents locator in space time. You can judge
speed and ETA by cross referencing distance with publishing
dates and these messages from us.
Q: (L) I got it! You mean that YOU are the Arcturians, the
Pleiadians, and now you are the "Cassiopaeans" because you
"are where you are"! And you are riding the wave. Is this
wave a straight line connecting all these constellations?
A: Circuitous or cyclical route.
Q: (L) So, is it like a spiral?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So we really need to set up a map so we can draw it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) When we speak from Orion we are "Orions". When
from Pleiades, we are "Pleiadian", and so on.
Q: (L) So, all of these channeled books you have mentioned
are coming from the same basic source, through different
channels, that they are able to connect with because of their
different positions in space time and preparation level of the
channels, is that correct?
A: Close. We have given you a Wave crest locator. We are
from where we are and speak. Get it?
Q: (L) You are the wave crest?
A: We are Marciniak's Pleiadians. We are where we are.
Q: (T) So, you are not really Cassiopaeans from the
Constellation Cassiopeia?
A: We are Transient Passengers.
Q: (T) So, when the wave reaches earth and you are
transmitting to somebody else out there you will represent
yourselves as the "Terrans?"
A: When wave reaches earth, we merge with you.
Q: (L) When you were at Orion, did you merge with the
Orions?
A: Not on same frequency for realm border crossing.
Q: (L) What effect did the wave have on the Orion sector?
A: None. Already at 4th density level.
Q: (L) Where did the wave originate?
A: Did not.
Q: (L) Has it always been cycling through the universe?
A: Close.
Q: (T) Okay, you are riding on the crest of this wave in 6th
density, is this true?
A: Yes. We are you in 6th density....
christx11
Jedi Master
rrraven said:
I think the answer to this might be to look at what the Sessions' say is the source -
Session March 01 said:
Session July 22 said:
I think Cas A is about 11,000 light years distant. My guess is that the difference in aiming a signal 11,000 light years away towards the earth's northern and southern hemispheres would amount to trillionths of a degree. And if we are to take the other information as a possibility (zero time, instantaneous), I think who you are probably enters into the equation rather than where you are.
Also the sessions tell us that the C's are not fixed. They ride the wave. The identifier they introduced themselves with "The Cassiopaeans", is basically for our reference. Other sessions they say they are riding a wave that is spiraling in and will merge with us (our 3D reality) at the realm border crossing. They even suggested a tracking of that trek through space.
Also I think that Cassiopaea was not overhead in all 250+ sessions while in Florida. If it was truly a physical signal, half the time it was probably traveling through thousands of miles of earth.
Session December 10 said:
I think a sixth density light being opening a conduit in zero time could communicate anywhere they see fit to communicate. Ultimately they are not even physical. The physical orientation of a little matter (southern hemisphere) I don't think would be a problem. And the pulsar's radio signal as a facilitator I think does not mean they are transmitting via a radio signal as we normally think. I think it is that the pulsar's frequency in some way is amenable to our 3D earth's frequency in an ethereal communicative sense.
rrraven said:
All of the information about the possibility of better results in relation to the center of the galaxy and earth's horizon, and all the other information.... I could not make a judgment and analyzing the information would take hours or days to even get an idea whether any of it is even valid. Off the top of my head from just what you have posted I would say it is a bunch of hooey. But I don't have the time to go through tons of data and there may be something valid in it.
First I would ask even if 13.5 LST has some kind of correlation to greater anomalous cognition, I would ask who's cognition? everyone's cognition? who defines what is anomalous? Does anomalous in any way correlate to C's. Going and researching all of that would take a great amount of time and really is not necessary.
I think the best way to get an answer on what you have below is to do your own experiment. If you are successful in opening a 6D STO channel, try it at the different times you propose and see if you can tell the difference. It would be the only real data to rely on anyway.
rrraven said:
I think I may have gone off on a tangent here a little also. Ultimately we are talking about a person reading all or as much of the psychological material as possible, discussing and understanding it as much as you can. Knowing about sociopathy, narcissism, psychopathy, Political Ponerology, The Wave, Adventures, Secret History.... And then understanding that what you are trying to do is clean your own machine.
I think the saying still applies even though the context may be slightly different- It is who you are that counts, not where you are at. If you are at that point that is right for a channel to open, it will open and you will have to continually work to clean it. Where you are at physically is not what creates the conduit. The best place and time to work on yourself is where you are at every single instant.
John G
The Living Force
Cass A is about 11,000 light years away, the objects in a constellation can be very different distances away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassiopeia_A
The mentioning of "zero time" and a unification of gravity and electromagnetism does certainly mean the signal is taking a shortcut through the vaccum in some sense though apparently the non-vaccum path between Cass A/pulsar and earth is being used to keep interference of the signal minimized. I wouldn't think the path going through the Earth itself would be a problem but almost zero is known about zero time communication, the center of planets could cause interference for all I know. Cass can get very low in Florida at a certain time of day but I think it is still above the horizon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassiopeia_A
The mentioning of "zero time" and a unification of gravity and electromagnetism does certainly mean the signal is taking a shortcut through the vaccum in some sense though apparently the non-vaccum path between Cass A/pulsar and earth is being used to keep interference of the signal minimized. I wouldn't think the path going through the Earth itself would be a problem but almost zero is known about zero time communication, the center of planets could cause interference for all I know. Cass can get very low in Florida at a certain time of day but I think it is still above the horizon.
Laura, your video idea is grand! 
It will help those who are sincere and would otherwise most probably find no sincere guidance in using the Board.
(espicially as a means to keep Working when facing the probability of a worldwide breakdown of communication and all of us seekers are -from one moment to the other- suddenly standing alone.)
It's also so important to stress the necessity of thorough preparation, via ongoing reading and cleaning our machines.
Personally I haven't considered ever using a Board myself. Pure natural instinct, I guess, considering how very much I need to work on myself before an undertaking of this kind could be anything near to fruitful.
Now that you explained how very useful it could be as a means to enhance the Working on ourselves, I'm slowly reconsidering, but still there's a lot of respect, even fear of the possible ramifications.. Knowledge and guidance are dearly needed.
So 'on into the night' ! ;)
On another note:
Many here have wondered how to find the adequate group of people for this undertaking.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that it would be most adequate if only those who are already working on themselves (via 4th way) would gather and form Ouija groups, as their aims would be colinear.
Maybe it is an option to find out about geographical proximities among the Forum members, so that those in one city or near to one city would meet and form a Ouija-group?
Just for what it's worth, of course.
It will help those who are sincere and would otherwise most probably find no sincere guidance in using the Board.
(espicially as a means to keep Working when facing the probability of a worldwide breakdown of communication and all of us seekers are -from one moment to the other- suddenly standing alone.)
It's also so important to stress the necessity of thorough preparation, via ongoing reading and cleaning our machines.
Personally I haven't considered ever using a Board myself. Pure natural instinct, I guess, considering how very much I need to work on myself before an undertaking of this kind could be anything near to fruitful.
Now that you explained how very useful it could be as a means to enhance the Working on ourselves, I'm slowly reconsidering, but still there's a lot of respect, even fear of the possible ramifications.. Knowledge and guidance are dearly needed.
So 'on into the night' ! ;)
On another note:
Many here have wondered how to find the adequate group of people for this undertaking.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that it would be most adequate if only those who are already working on themselves (via 4th way) would gather and form Ouija groups, as their aims would be colinear.
Maybe it is an option to find out about geographical proximities among the Forum members, so that those in one city or near to one city would meet and form a Ouija-group?
Just for what it's worth, of course.
I would also suggest that if there is not someone in close proximity to work with, you may assume that it's not a good idea or that you are not ready. In this case, the old saying applies: "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
ark said:
_http://sidis.net/Unconscious%20Intelligence.htm by W. J. Sidis, I think, has an interesting partial answer to the second question, which may be related to Gurdjieff's work. His argument is that since both conscious phenomena and subconscious phenomena are empirically indistinguishable, just as a falling stone in Europe and a falling stone in America are empirically indistinguishable, then they both must be attributed to consciousness since that is the only phenomena for which we have direct experience. Just as we assume other people are conscious, we can attribute "unconscious" actions to separate consciousnesses.
According the C transcripts "The soul" = "The Subconscious" = Consciousness. It is also interesting to speculate that perhaps Gurdjieff's techniques form a seperate consciousness which is able detect and regulate the "subconsciousnesses", which are basically "little i's". OP's, in this case, would be unable to form such a regulating center due to genetic factors.
In some of Dean Radin's experiments, the autonomic nervous system responds before an emotional stimulus is displayed. To continue the speculation, perhaps the "unconscious" is really a separate consciousness which is able to receive information from the future.
Well, I can't read Russian, but since it is about thermodynamics, is he talking about using phase spaces when representing "densities"? If consciousness is energy, couldn't it be used to model a given consciousness's "free will", e.g. Seventh density, all that exists, may be modeled as an infinite-dimensional phase space?
If not, what field of mathematics is Veynik using?
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