Psalehesost
The Living Force
WhiteBear said:
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STO vs STS
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Bluestar
Jedi Council Member
WhiteBear said:
A quick synopsis of any given situation is hard I believe for anyone that has not reached a higher level of consciousness. Especially for the mechanical people that we are. It is the struggle between "yes" & "no" at any given moment. Discernment http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=246&lsel=All is key. What is it we want to accomplish? Are we doing it for some selfish reason like I desire those cookies for example. Even though I know they are bad for my health. But I want them anyway. And so what, if you buy them for that reason, but knowing why you bought them is the point. Sometimes helping someone else is a very STS action. If it makes you feel better about yourself, or you want to make that person like you, or you are doing it strictly so you can say to others, "well I am a good person, I buy girl scout cookies". The first step I believe is finding out why we do things in the first place. Then if we can see what the reasons are and then "choose" to change them because we would be becoming a better person and aligning more towards STO.
There are lies for self preservation and then there are plausable lies. http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=976&lsel=All
Are you lying becasue it is fun to do so, no matter if it hurts another person or are you lying to save someone else? Yes a lie is a lie, but it is the intent behind the lie that is most import, osit.
This is an important start I think in finding your way here.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=16426.0
The 'First Initiation' written by Mme Jeanne de Salzmann:
Are we not all on a similar path of enlightenment. You are not alone in your queries.
Bluestar said:
Yes, at our stage of development it is very difficult to determine just which actions are STO. We are STS, that is where we fit or we wouldn't be here, so the process is about learning what STO actions actually are. Every situation is unique so no generalisations can really be given, as it is the specific situation that must be studied with all it's possible ramifications.
However, it can be helpful in a case where one must make a snap decision, such as you describe, to try and figure out what "it" wants to do. "It" will always choose the STS way, as it is the easier way that makes less demands or in some way feeds the false personality. If "it" really wants to take one action, then it's a clue to examine and see how that action would feed the false personality.
Buddy
The Living Force
Hi WhiteBear.
The way I currently understand STS as it applies to 3D is that as long as our awareness and BEing is so close to the matter fields, we are surrounded by entropic forces that climb the ontological stack from ground to the most superficial layers of structure and awareness. From the most banal or simple leakages and inefficiencies (including all the consequences of self-centeredness) to full blown destruction and end of life (as expressed by the idea of nonexistence in sleeping matter), this is STS as I see it applying to 3D.
STO represents the potential of mastering life in this state so that a next iteration through 3D life is no longer necessary from the perspective of learning our lessons. We learn to do this by making moment-to-moment choices that increase our FRV towards STO. We learn to do THAT by removing the blockages that prevent us seeing more possibilities.
I think the best answer to this is probably covered by the description of the 'do it again pleasure center' in the Wave.
Hope this helps. Where I'm off, maybe someone will step in to offer correction. :)
Edit: Additions for clarity.
The way I currently understand STS as it applies to 3D is that as long as our awareness and BEing is so close to the matter fields, we are surrounded by entropic forces that climb the ontological stack from ground to the most superficial layers of structure and awareness. From the most banal or simple leakages and inefficiencies (including all the consequences of self-centeredness) to full blown destruction and end of life (as expressed by the idea of nonexistence in sleeping matter), this is STS as I see it applying to 3D.
STO represents the potential of mastering life in this state so that a next iteration through 3D life is no longer necessary from the perspective of learning our lessons. We learn to do this by making moment-to-moment choices that increase our FRV towards STO. We learn to do THAT by removing the blockages that prevent us seeing more possibilities.
WhiteBear said:
I think the best answer to this is probably covered by the description of the 'do it again pleasure center' in the Wave.
Hope this helps. Where I'm off, maybe someone will step in to offer correction. :)
Edit: Additions for clarity.
Re: STS vs. STO
Since my point of view there are no methods for this. STO acts involve the sincere intention of helping others. But to be truly an act of help, we must have sufficient knowledge to determine to what extent we are helping. And this is not an ease work. I suppose we could start by trying to be aware of our true intentions before act. Doing work help us increase the self-awareness and thus to be aware of our real intentions.
WhiteBear said:
Since my point of view there are no methods for this. STO acts involve the sincere intention of helping others. But to be truly an act of help, we must have sufficient knowledge to determine to what extent we are helping. And this is not an ease work. I suppose we could start by trying to be aware of our true intentions before act. Doing work help us increase the self-awareness and thus to be aware of our real intentions.
WhiteBear
Jedi Master
Re: STS vs. STO
I'm understanding the need to do work on myself, removing blockages from seeing my true motivations...one of the tenets of my belief system is to "know yourself". This is the most important thing to me, above all. My concern is that, unless some of this self-work is resulting in a mystical awareness of information that is beyond my current ability to see, that no matter how pure my true intention is when I act, that there are facts that I simply do not know, that could easily cause my well-intentioned STO act to be STS.
Respect of someone else's free-will is important for an act to be STO, I understand. So, if I walk into a room and someone is hanging from a rafter by their neck, dying, do I take the time to look for a suicide note? No, I rush to help this person. There is no way to know if this person has chosen to end their life, or if they were placed there by someone else in an act of violence. This is an extreme hypothetical situation, but I hope it brings more clarity to the issue that I have failed to bring in my prior posts in this thread.
msante said:
I'm understanding the need to do work on myself, removing blockages from seeing my true motivations...one of the tenets of my belief system is to "know yourself". This is the most important thing to me, above all. My concern is that, unless some of this self-work is resulting in a mystical awareness of information that is beyond my current ability to see, that no matter how pure my true intention is when I act, that there are facts that I simply do not know, that could easily cause my well-intentioned STO act to be STS.
Respect of someone else's free-will is important for an act to be STO, I understand. So, if I walk into a room and someone is hanging from a rafter by their neck, dying, do I take the time to look for a suicide note? No, I rush to help this person. There is no way to know if this person has chosen to end their life, or if they were placed there by someone else in an act of violence. This is an extreme hypothetical situation, but I hope it brings more clarity to the issue that I have failed to bring in my prior posts in this thread.
If you act based on your knowledge at the moment, that's what is. We all do that. And, hopefully, we all grow in knowledge.
When I didn't know any better, I bought the GS cookies to help the Girl Scouts. It made me feel better, sure, but that's okay. We live in an STS world and if feeling better is what makes things work, that's okay.
Later on, I realized that very little of the money went to the girl scouts, so I would donate the money and not take the cookies. It made me feel good and it ostensibly helped the GS troop, and that's how things work.
(I'm not concerned here about whether or not the girl is stealing the money or whether the GS idea is a good one - just buy the cookies or give the money).
However, at this point in my life, knowing for a certainty that those cookies are evil, that GS are probably ponerized and a means of indoctrinating young girls, I would simply say "no thanks." I might find some sort of pamphlet about the evils of wheat and hydrogenated vegetable oils and send it to the local troops, or write a letter about it to the local newspaper as a way of giving the lie the truth, but basically, in such casual situations, it's not worth getting tied up in knots.
It is in close relationships that the issue matters most.
When I didn't know any better, I bought the GS cookies to help the Girl Scouts. It made me feel better, sure, but that's okay. We live in an STS world and if feeling better is what makes things work, that's okay.
Later on, I realized that very little of the money went to the girl scouts, so I would donate the money and not take the cookies. It made me feel good and it ostensibly helped the GS troop, and that's how things work.
(I'm not concerned here about whether or not the girl is stealing the money or whether the GS idea is a good one - just buy the cookies or give the money).
However, at this point in my life, knowing for a certainty that those cookies are evil, that GS are probably ponerized and a means of indoctrinating young girls, I would simply say "no thanks." I might find some sort of pamphlet about the evils of wheat and hydrogenated vegetable oils and send it to the local troops, or write a letter about it to the local newspaper as a way of giving the lie the truth, but basically, in such casual situations, it's not worth getting tied up in knots.
It is in close relationships that the issue matters most.
Re: STS vs. STO
I guess I rush to help this person too. Maybe after save him, you could try help him to consider all possible alternatives beyond the suicide, and help him to made aware of all the ramifications of suicide. Eventually, if this is his final decision, likely will try again more carefully.
WhiteBear said:
I guess I rush to help this person too. Maybe after save him, you could try help him to consider all possible alternatives beyond the suicide, and help him to made aware of all the ramifications of suicide. Eventually, if this is his final decision, likely will try again more carefully.
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
WhiteBear said:
Hi Whitebear. It might help to really grasp that you cannot be STO here - in this incarnation as an STS being on an STS planet. The most you can do is become an 'STO candidate'. So, to trouble your mind over questions like this is to waste energy. The problem is that even the way you post the question is STS, since you are STS and cannot fathom what it is like to be STO.
For example, it might be that in an STO world, there is no having to 'ask for love' since everyone, always and in everything, puts others before themselves, thus everyone, always and in everything, gets all they could ever need, including love. It's a totally foreign concept and difficult for us to grasp since we are not STO.
Buddy
The Living Force
anart said:
Hi WhiteBear. Maybe our ability to receive is related to our ability to recognize what is being offered. This recognition might be easier once you have a certain self monitor running and a deeper understanding of 'love', fwiw.
