STO

[Villival]

I'm just going to jump in here. Has anyone else had the experience of visiting STO? Or is this not to be discussed and if so, why? If the walls have ears and all we do is pretty much known anyway, is there harm in discussing this? I am serious about this.

 

[Buddy]

Has anyone else had the experience of visiting STO?

Can you clarify what you mean by "the experience of visiting STO"? That could be interpreted more than one way, I think.

 

[bjorb]

I believe the most pure communicating so far with a STO source has been done through the Cassiopaean transcript. But I suppose you meant in direct contact? I haven’t and even if I have, I didn’t recognize the person as such.

But since the aim of this network functions as to help each other sincerely overcoming our mechanical ways in order be more conscious and compassionate. You could say that the plenty of us, working together may comprise a STO being ?

 

[Ruth]

I'm just going to jump in here. Has anyone else had the experience of visiting STO? Or is this not to be discussed and if so, why? If the walls have ears and all we do is pretty much known anyway, is there harm in discussing this? I am serious about this.

First you need a working knowledge or some sort of understanding of what is STO... What is it; what are it's parameters, and how does it interact others. I think you'll find that people have quite varying ideas on what constitutes STO.

Our planet is STS by default and I think this is because the majority of people living here are STS. It seems logical to me that if there are some people strongly STS, then there must be others who fall towards a more STO side of the scale.

The really weird thing about STS is that it can't actually 'see' STO (because STS sees what it wants to see, not what's really there). It's almost as if STO is invisible to them because STS cannot conceive of anyone being different to them.

At least this is my current thinking on it.

 

[Tigersoap]

I'm just going to jump in here. Has anyone else had the experience of visiting STO? Or is this not to be discussed and if so, why? If the walls have ears and all we do is pretty much known anyway, is there harm in discussing this? I am serious about this.

I don't really understand why it seems to you think that anyone should be all hush hush about it ?
Did you get a special visit from a STO being ?

I suppose most people would not even know the difference between STO or STS visitors anyway given that STS peeps could look like anything they want and make you believe that they're the good guys.

 

[zak]

It can be useful to take a look to those videos:Q and A of Laura
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TWAjBU9mz0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lrfIcIWEL4o
...
And this thread about OP
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,457.0.html

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I'm just going to jump in here. Has anyone else had the experience of visiting STO? Or is this not to be discussed and if so, why? If the walls have ears and all we do is pretty much known anyway, is there harm in discussing this? I am serious about this.

Just want to jump on board with others in asking what you mean by "visiting STO". STO is a state of being and behaving, as is STS - not a place. And given the nature of 3D (predominantly STS), it's probably exceedingly rare to have a 'pure' experience of STO. It will inevitably be mixed up with STS tendencies to one degree or another.

If you're referring to densities, there is no "STO density" - if our ideas of densities are correct, STS and STO both exist in multiple densities.

Or do you mean "being visited by an STO being"? If so, it would help to have a description of your experience. There are many possibilities to test BEFORE reaching the conclusion that any alleged visitation is in fact a visitation, let alone an STO one.

 

[Villival]

I understand STO is a state of being. I was there. There were also moments of STS from others in what was a VERY long experience. About nine months. I guess you would phrase it as non ordinary reality. It is really complex and confused me after the fact. I also understand we are STS in this dimension. Somehow, I accessed another reality and lived in it for a really long time. It could be called many things but somehow I polarized to STO. Not understanding what was happening was very difficult.

However, I do understand that trying to explain a mystical experience is next to impossible. I was definitely being tested. There were definitely physical beings involved as well as others I am not so sure of. Maybe I should say I visited the 4th density while I was polarized as STO if that makes sense. There were STO and STS beings there. And others which were more of a neutral character.

I just haven't seen anything on this board, and I certainly could have missed it, regarding an experience like this. I have been reading this board for about two and a half years and Lord knows there is enough material here to keep a person busy for a lifetime.

The whole experience was as vivid, different and astounding as Dorothy's visit to Oz. Ironically, I had written a letter to the head of Microbiology when I left the Primate Center and talked about searching for the Holy Grail and the man behind the curtain, etc when saying goodbye after having been laid off.

I guess that's what I mean. I was STO at parts, but I visited 4th density. Some were definitely STO and others STS with all possibliites in between. Quite an experience.

 

[bjorb]

[quote author= Villival]Somehow, I accessed another reality and lived in it for a really long time.[/quote]

[quote author= Villival]I do understand that trying to explain a mystical experience is next to impossible.[/quote]


Desired experiences such as the mystical kind can be used as bait by entities deceptively seeking your consent of giving yourself over to them. I don’t know what happened Villival, but many here have experienced some degree of 'high strangeness' There are sharks in those waters you don’t want to meet. Its better to not desire, seek or cross that road.

Any spiritual enlightenment can only be done by conscious hard work. Mystical experiences are just that which I can only describe as ‘dangerous theme-parks’

So anything you may or may not have experienced. Think again I would say and be vigilant.


- Our psychical hygiene affect our psychic hygiene. following a healthy diet helps in a protective manner. If you haven’t already, please seek out the Diet and Health section. : )

 

[Rich]

[quote author= Villival]Somehow, I accessed another reality and lived in it for a really long time.

[quote author= Villival]I do understand that trying to explain a mystical experience is next to impossible.[/quote]

- Our psychical hygiene affect our psychic hygiene. following a healthy diet helps in a protective manner. If you haven’t already, please seek out the Diet and Health section. : )
[/quote]

Some good advice there from bjorn. Have you tried writing down your experiences? It could help put them in context. When one is going through a spiritual awakening or what western medicine labels psychosis, it can be terrifying and so reassuring to see you're not alone in your experiences. Some articles from Paul Levy may be helpful, briefly mentioned here:We Are All Shamans-In-Training and a book many have found insightful is discussed here: “Operators and Things: The Inner Life of a Schizophrenic” by Barbara O’Brien

 

[Zar]

Villival if you did indeed have said experience then kudos to you, with work and support as a group we should all reach that state once we are ready and/or the waves does it's thing. What bjorn, approach infinity, theseus, and the other commenters are trying to do is ask questions to show you how skeptical you need to be when dealing with other realms and entities. And also to gather as much knowledge as possible and apply it before coming to any kind of conclusions.

I just haven't seen anything on this board, and I certainly could have missed it, regarding an experience like this.

The entire lifestyle of laura and her group should fall under this category. They've been communicating with themselves in 6th density STO realm for quite a while, and are working exhaustingly to anchor whomever is ready towards the STO 4th density realm. Taking this group's approach to such matters is what it's all about, shaping your mind to discern truth from falsehood.

However, I do understand that trying to explain a mystical experience is next to impossible. I was definitely being tested.

Who were you being tested by? and why have you come back? Also if you want the these super moderators to give you proper insight it would help if you tried to explain the experience.
I'm not at all saying it wasn't what you perceive it to be, but think about it carefully and objectively. Why has no one else in this entire forum had an experience like this when there are many STO candidates who have done massive amounts of work.
There is also the fact that you get what you put in, so i'm curious as to how much have you put in to being STO. The only thing that I think could help figure this out is to consider everything as a possibility, including this experience. You seem to be so sure but as bjorn has said:

Desired experiences such as the mystical kind can be used as bait by entities deceptively seeking your consent of giving yourself over to them. I don’t know what happened Villival, but many here have experienced some degree of 'high strangeness' There are sharks in those waters you don’t want to meet. Its better to not desire, seek or cross that road.

Be cautious, i've witnessed people be deceived by other people for a lifetime even when the evidence is right under their nose… And we're dealing with 3rd density humans here not 4th density.

 

[bjorb]

[quote author= Thinkingfingers]Villival if you did indeed have said experience then kudos to you,.[/quote]

I don’t think it should be celebrated. Such experiences don’t entail spiritual enlightenment. What it does entail I think is someone who is in a vulnerable state.

Either by parasites, which can literally make you mental ill. Or the possibility of entity intrusion. Or something else entirely. Its impossible for us to tell.

Whatever it is. With psychical hygiene can come psychic hygiene. Hence the advice of following through on the Diet and Health section Villival !! :) If infested by parasites the right diet is potent to kill them off. But I am no expert on how to kill of such parasites. If someone knows better, please be free to inform correctly.


[quote author= Thinkingfingers]Why has no one else in this entire forum had an experience like this when there are many STO candidates who have done massive amounts of work.[/quote]

Many here have experienced some degree of 'high strangeness.’ It doesn’t imply spiritual enlightenment. Any spiritual enlightenment can only be done by conscious hard work.

Surely some are more sensitive than others but if one is not able to use those senses correctly problems can occur. Hence the books shared by Theseus I think.

 

[WIN 52]

Our planet is STS by default and I think this is because the majority of people living here are STS. It seems logical to me that if there are some people strongly STS, then there must be others who fall towards a more STO side of the scale.

The really weird thing about STS is that it can't actually 'see' STO (because STS sees what it wants to see, not what's really there). It's almost as if STO is invisible to them because STS cannot conceive of anyone being different to them.

At least this is my current thinking on it.

Rereading the wave series, there has been some ah ha moments for me and this is one.

We are STS at this time because we must consume other beings, in order for us to survive. Now as to how it worked when we were 3D STO is not clear at this time. But it is pretty clear that this is the result of the position we are in. We need to eat flesh. In fact even eating from 1D is a form of the same thing, the need to consume for survival.

I did read some material about when Adam and Eve fell. In it, Adam was wrestling with the idea of eating, let alone having to kill first. I believe he went for quite a while before he was able to actually eat. Eventually the will to live was stronger than the disgust he felt about eating.

Likely no matter how STO like a person may be and act, at this level under these conditions, we can only ever be STS. At least this is what my ah ha moment was.

 

[Buddy]

[quote author= Villival]Somehow, I accessed another reality and lived in it for a really long time.

[quote author= Villival]I do understand that trying to explain a mystical experience is next to impossible.

- Our psychical hygiene affect our psychic hygiene. following a healthy diet helps in a protective manner. If you haven’t already, please seek out the Diet and Health section. : )
[/quote]

Some good advice there from bjorn. Have you tried writing down your experiences? It could help put them in context. When one is going through a spiritual awakening or what western medicine labels psychosis, it can be terrifying and so reassuring to see you're not alone in your experiences. Some articles from Paul Levy may be helpful, briefly mentioned here:We Are All Shamans-In-Training and a book many have found insightful is discussed here: “Operators and Things: The Inner Life of a Schizophrenic” by Barbara O’Brien
[/quote]

Some good advice also by Theseus, I think. Personally, I have been interested in some of those various excerpts of your life that you've shared here and there and maybe others have been too.

For me, it would be a big help if you could add some concrete detail whenever you write phrases like: 'accessing another reality and living in it'. What is this other reality like...in general or in any specific perceptual sense? Anything you can talk about? What makes it recognizably "another reality"? You know, that kind of thing. :)

 

[Nienna]

I'm adding here, as it has added in other places on the forum, this from Ibn al 'Arabi:

The experience of unveiling opens up an infinite expanse of previously unseen realities to the heart of the spiritual seeker. ...The realm into which the adept first enters is, after all, the World of Imagination, whose byways never end. It is the domain of the satans and other deceiving forces. The traveler needs to keep a clear head during his journeys and not be misled by the swirling forces which lie just beyond the horizons of stability and balance.

...Nowadays most people interested in the spirituality of the East desire the "experience," though they may call what they are after "intimate communion with God." Those familiar with the standards and norms of spiritual experience set down by disciplined paths are usually appalled at the way Westerners seize upon any apparition from the domain outside of normal consciousness as a manifestation of the "spiritual." In fact there are innumerable realms in the unseen world, some of them far more dangerous than the worst jungles of the visible world. No person familiar with the teachings of Sufism would dare lay himself open to such forces... [Chittick, The Sufi Path of Knowledge]

People who have not done the real Work on themselves, and who think that having these "experiences" are making them more spiritual are setting themselves up for some very dangerous interactions with those whom are deceitful and dangerous. These entities are very good at deceiving people into thinking that these entities are beings of light, highly advanced and spiritual, when, in fact, they are STS beings looking for food.

It has been said by the Cs that all of us that are living on this planet at this time are STS. If we were not, we would not be here. It's not "most" of us are STS, we all are STS with some few who are trying to be good STO candidates.

fwiw