Terror in Las Vegas: Mass shooting at Route91 Harvest music festival

[Niall]

As the wounded kept coming, hospitals dealt with injuries rarely seen in the U.S.
October 3 at 8:13 PM
_https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/as-the-wounded-kept-coming-hospitals-dealt-with-injuries-rarely-seen-in-the-us/2017/10/03/06210b86-a883-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?tid=ss_mail-amp&utm_term=.a45aae99b34c

[...]

Many of the most critically wounded patients arrived at the 541-bed University Medical Center of Southern Nevada, the state’s only Level One trauma center. Over about four hours, it received 104 patients. More than 80 percent were gunshot victims.

Douglas R. Fraser, the hospital’s chief of trauma surgery, struggled with other doctors there to deal with bullet wounds in torsos and limbs that had shredded human flesh into “unusual patterns,” caused “extreme fractures” and bounced through bodies with horrific force.

“These were quite large wounds that we saw,” he said Tuesday. “The fractured shrapnel created a different pattern and really injured bone and soft tissue very readily. This was not a normal pattern of injuries.”

A couple of things stand out in that report: the descriptions of the bullet wounds, obviously. What type of gun/bullet causes those?

Also, the time period over which victims were coming in: 4 hours. Surely people shot (especially seriously) between 22:05 and 22:20 could not have waited around that long before being transported into this or any other hospital? Were people being shot at later than the official shooting time period?

 

[Niall]

Las Vegas Strip shooter targeted aviation fuel tanks, source says (Video-Graphic 10:27)
Updated October 4, 2017 - 9:46 pm
_https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-targeted-aviation-fuel-tanks-source-says/

Well I'll be... Check this out. I found it via this shorter report in the New York Post:

Las Vegas Shooter Targeted Secret Government Planes In Addition To Victims

Posted on Oct 5, 2017 @ 13:27PM

Las Vegas madman Stephen Paddock not only targeted innocent concertgoers — but also seemingly the hanger for the U.S. government’s super secret JANET airlines.

Law enforcement sources exclusively told RadarOnline.com that just afield of the two massive, circular fuel tanks at which Paddock fired, lies the shadowy terminal for JANET.

“JANET is essentially an airline that doesn’t exist,” a source told Radar. “It is not affiliated with any other airline.

“Insiders call it the ‘CIA’s airline,’ but, informally, it’s known as ‘JANET’ because its pilots use that identifier over air traffic control frequencies.”

“The airline mostly uses JANET as a shuttle service for military VIPs between Las Vegas and Area 51,” the source added. “The joke is that the acronym stands for Just Another Non-Existent Terminal.”

“It’s also a very intriguing angle given Paddock worked for the predecessor of Lockheed Martin, one of the U.S. government’s most relied upon military aviation manufacturers.”

As Radar previously reported, Paddock broke the window of his Mandalay Bay and Casino suite on the 32nd floor and fired upon the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, killing 59 and wounding more than 500 more.

But the retired 64-year-old also broke a second window and fired at two circular, white-pained fuel tanks 1,110 feet from the concert site on the edge of McCarran International Airport.

Officials have now confirmed he hit the tanks twice, although the bullets did not pierce their shells. Construction crews have already whitewashed the damage.

“Airport fueling has not been compromised,” airport spokesman Chris Jones acknowledged. “It’s functional.”

The tanks are owned and operated by Swissport, and used primarily to fuel numerous private airlines located around that part of McCarran. The closest airline is JANET.

In the wake of these revelations, Radar has learned JANET planes are officially owned by the U.S. Air Force — and operated by defense contractor AECOM. The planes neither carry nor display an N-number, and none of the usual identifying marks common to commercial and privately owned aircraft.

But those in the know them only by the distinctive red cheat line painted prominently across the planes’ fuselages.

The airline is most commonly used by the U.S. government to ferry military and government VIPs, and contractors between Las Vegas and Area 51, the super secret base where the military is believed to test experimental weapons and aircraft.

“JANET is based at McCarran International Airport and its hanger is just beyond a parking lot directly adjacent to those gas tankers,” Radar’s source said.

Dawna Kaufmann, an investigative journalist and author of Final Exams, told Radar she has monitored air traffic transmissions from McCarran.

“Each day many flights go from McCarran to various intelligence agency outposts, including Area 51,” she said. “But most flights go to Creech Air Force Base in Indian Springs, 35 miles northwest of Vegas.”

“Creech is where a joint US/UK program is housed for identifying drone targets in Iraq and Afghanistan or any other Middle East hot spot.”

“All of the drone attacks that have taken out enemies have been given the go-ahead by military brass at Creech.”

ISIS has claimed responsibility for Paddock’s acts — although authorities have discredited the group’s assertion.

Kaufmann told Radar the presence of JANET near the targeted fuel tanks could provide the missing link to unraveling Paddock’s madness.

“Paddock might have held anti-American views that made him want to target our government. We know the Philippines is a hotbed of ISIS activity,” Kaufmann said.

“It’s likely Paddock had two missions — one for the concert goers and the second to do something anti-American, perhaps at the behest of an enemy nation.”

Yeah right!

But the info about JANET is interesting.

2,000+ feet is a highly unlikely hit for Paddock to have been aiming at from the Mandalay Bay. If he'd hit it randomly, I might understand, but here they're having to give an explanation for why he targeted it because it's so far away from the main concert area in front of the stage.

What if police, not Paddock, or whoever the Mandalay Bay shooters were, shot at those fuel tanks because they were returning fire against shots coming from there?

Eyewitnesses have spoken of shots coming from all around. The tall casino/hotel buildings south, west and north of the concert venue provide clear sighting from those compass points of the concert venue below, but the closest vantage point east of the venue, in what is otherwise a wide open plane to the airport and beyond, are those two fuel tanks. Check the layout on Google Earth.

Earlier on in this thread, c.a. posted a chunk of scanner audio from the McCarran Airport Tower at the time of the shooting. The Controller can be heard warning pilots of "active shooters on the grounds..."

 

[Glenn]

From what I have read, the gunman, Stephan Paddock, doesn't seem to have much of a past. His brother refers to him as a professional gambler, and also that he owned some apartment buildings along with his mother.

He has been listed as living in Mesquite Texas, as well as Mesquite Nevada. Which seems like an odd coincidence.

Here is an article that found some information on one of the planes he owned, or at least previously owned.
(Maybe could account for his sketchy past if he were involved with intelligence agencies?)

The Vegas Plot Thickens: The Connection Between The Shooter And An Intelligence Agency

_http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-vegas-plot-thickens-the-connection-between-the-shooter-and-an-intelligence-agency_102017

A few internet sleuths have taken matters into their own hands after the obvious disinformation campaign by the mainstream media surrounding the Las Vegas shooting. Mounting evidence of what looks like a false flag is worrying many. And once you read this, those fears will be shoved into overdrive.

On the surface, the tweet doesn’t say much. But how much can Mike Toke really say in a limited amount of characters? But what he does manage is enough to get anyone seeking the truth to follow all these leads and look into everything that the media and our government continues to hide from us. It’s what’s embedded in the tweet that counts.

BREAKING: Users on /pol/ have discovered flight records and a plane that belonged to the Las Vegas Shooter. It is connected to an intelligence contractor who's owner previously worked for the Obama administration. pic.twitter.com/T7RMrEfTuV

— Mike Tokes (@MikeTokes) October 4, 2017

Looking closely, the first thing you will notice is that the shooter, Stephen Paddock, had a pilot license and owned two planes. This is well-established fact. The tail number of one of those planes is N5343M, a Cirrus SR-20. You can see that this was owned by Paddock by going to the website Flightaware.com. But Paddock doesn’t own this plane anymore. It was grounded three years ago, and it’s now in the hands of none other than Volant LLC, which there is little information on.

However, Volant Associates is none other than a Department of Defense contractor. Meaning Paddock’s plane has been in the hands of the United States government for the past three years and grounded since – if Volant LLC is being used as a way to hide information. Considering what Volant Associates does, that wouldn’t be so far fetched. But the plane’s information is all easily verified here on Flightaware.com. It’s been in Roanoke, Virginia since April 25, 2014.

Volant’s describes it’s mission on their website as providing “the industry’s preeminent professionals to discriminating U.S. government and intelligence-and-defense-industry customers.”

The registration of this plane is also listed as “active” even though it hasn’t been flown in three years. Strange enough yet? Well, it gets even better. The FAA should have this same information. But they don’t. Their website shows that a different aircraft, a Cessna 152, maintains that tail number and it was last registered to a person in San Diego, California. The FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) is a government agency, and it appears that it has scrubbed this plane’s information. Now, why would they do that? Well, the plot still thickens.

There is little to be known about Volant LLC., in Roanoke, Virginia. A company big enough to have a plane should have a website, at least that would be the assumption. But a Google search netted very little information other than they provide “business services.” But Volant Associates is a completely different matter. That’s your defense contractor. And their website says they are located in Chantilly, VA, which wouldn’t be too far from Volant LLC. in Roanoke. And a quick Google search of that verifies that the two cities are only 219 miles apart. So is Volant LLC., a cover company for the defense contractor? Is this a coincidence?

For a list of all of the contracts between Volant LLC. and the government, click here. They have worked for the Obama Administration. Could Paddock’s plane have been used in other scandals, such as the Fast and Furious gun running scheme? Who knows, and at this point, we may never know.

What all this means is entirely speculation right now. But isn’t is strange that this information is being kept from the public, and those who seek the truth are stuck finding it on their own?



ADDED: I was curious about that plane and I found that it is equipped with a parachute so that if the plane fails in flight it will come down by parachute.

Cirrus SR20
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
SR20
CIRRUS DESIGN CORP SR20 N345BS (2059) (5056614400).jpg
Role Civil utility aircraft
Manufacturer Cirrus Aircraft
First flight 21 March 1995
Produced 1999–Present
Number built 1,332 (through 2016)[1]
Unit cost
US$390,000 (2017)[2]
Developed into Cirrus SR22

The Cirrus SR20 is an American piston-engine, four-or-five-seat, composite monoplane built by Cirrus Aircraft of Duluth, Minnesota.

The SR20 was the first production general aviation aircraft equipped with a parachute to lower the airplane safely to the ground after a loss of control, structural failure or mid-air collision. It was also the first manufactured light aircraft with all-composite construction and flat-panel avionics.

I wonder if that aircraft was parked at the nearby airfield, walking distance to the Mandalay Bay Hotel?

 

[seek10]

As the wounded kept coming, hospitals dealt with injuries rarely seen in the U.S.
October 3 at 8:13 PM
_https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/as-the-wounded-kept-coming-hospitals-dealt-with-injuries-rarely-seen-in-the-us/2017/10/03/06210b86-a883-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?tid=ss_mail-amp&utm_term=.a45aae99b34c

LAS VEGAS — As trauma nurse Renae Huening rushed into Sunrise Hospital and Medical Center on Sunday night, she “followed a trail of blood indoors.”
So many patients poured into the city’s hospitals that pediatric surgeons were operating on adults and obstetricians were attending to trauma patients.

Many of the most critically wounded patients arrived at the 541-bed University Medical Center of Southern Nevada, the state’s only Level One trauma center. Over about four hours, it received 104 patients. More than 80 percent were gunshot victims.

Douglas R. Fraser, the hospital’s chief of trauma surgery, struggled with other doctors there to deal with bullet wounds in torsos and limbs that had shredded human flesh into “unusual patterns,” caused “extreme fractures” and bounced through bodies with horrific force.

Bounced through the bodies, from 64 year old guy?. Reminds me of JFK killing analysis video's.

“These were quite large wounds that we saw,” he said Tuesday. “The fractured shrapnel created a different pattern and really injured bone and soft tissue very readily. This was not a normal pattern of injuries.”
...
“A lot of the injuries were gunshots to the chest,” Fraser said. He spoke Tuesday as a professional, matter of fact rather than emotional. “Many did not require surgery but required chest tubes to the chest so they could breathe better. The other patients had surgery to remove holes to their bowels and intestines.”

For hours, some patients were in danger of suffocating on their own blood. So many wounds resembled those most often seen on battlefields that the hospital quickly contacted four Air Force trauma surgeons who happened to be participating in a visiting-fellow program there.

If those head lights were not switched on, casualties would have been very less. But some how they have got switched on. I am not sure it is deliberate or they have electronic switcher that switches flood lights on when stage lights go off. These people were killed like birds. reminded me of Jalianwala bag massacre.

 

[goyacobol]

As the wounded kept coming, hospitals dealt with injuries rarely seen in the U.S.
October 3 at 8:13 PM
_https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/as-the-wounded-kept-coming-hospitals-dealt-with-injuries-rarely-seen-in-the-us/2017/10/03/06210b86-a883-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?tid=ss_mail-amp&utm_term=.a45aae99b34c

LAS VEGAS — As trauma nurse Renae Huening rushed into Sunrise Hospital and Medical Center on Sunday night, she “followed a trail of blood indoors.”
So many patients poured into the city’s hospitals that pediatric surgeons were operating on adults and obstetricians were attending to trauma patients.

Many of the most critically wounded patients arrived at the 541-bed University Medical Center of Southern Nevada, the state’s only Level One trauma center. Over about four hours, it received 104 patients. More than 80 percent were gunshot victims.

Douglas R. Fraser, the hospital’s chief of trauma surgery, struggled with other doctors there to deal with bullet wounds in torsos and limbs that had shredded human flesh into “unusual patterns,” caused “extreme fractures” and bounced through bodies with horrific force.

Bounced through the bodies, from 64 year old guy?. Reminds me of JFK killing analysis video's.

“These were quite large wounds that we saw,” he said Tuesday. “The fractured shrapnel created a different pattern and really injured bone and soft tissue very readily. This was not a normal pattern of injuries.”
...
“A lot of the injuries were gunshots to the chest,” Fraser said. He spoke Tuesday as a professional, matter of fact rather than emotional. “Many did not require surgery but required chest tubes to the chest so they could breathe better. The other patients had surgery to remove holes to their bowels and intestines.”

For hours, some patients were in danger of suffocating on their own blood. So many wounds resembled those most often seen on battlefields that the hospital quickly contacted four Air Force trauma surgeons who happened to be participating in a visiting-fellow program there.

If those head lights were not switched on, casualties would have been very less. But some how they have got switched on. I am not sure it is deliberate or they have electronic switcher that switches flood lights on when stage lights go off. These people were killed like birds. reminded me of Jalianwala bag massacre.

seek10,

I think that the Bagh massacre was even more tragic than the Las Vegas massacre if that's possible. It's more comparable to our 9-11. I remember reading and watching documentaries about Bagh and realizing the horror that the British empire has caused around the globe. Strangely shortly before that massacre there was a flu epidemic in 1918 mentioned in your link. I thought 1918 sounded familiar for flu so I searched for 1918 flu and sure enough there was a world-wide flu epidemic in 1918.

1918 flu pandemic

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Soldiers from Fort Riley, Kansas, ill with Spanish influenza at a hospital ward at Camp Funston.
Influenza (Flu)
H1N1 virus
Types
Avian A/H5N1 subtype Canine Equine Swine A/H1N1 subtype
Vaccines
2009 pandemic Pandemrix Fluzone Influvac Live attenuated Optaflu
Treatment
Amantadine Laninamivir Oseltamivir Peramivir Rimantadine Umifenovir Vitamin D Zanamivir
Pandemics
2009 swine 1968–1969 Hong Kong 1957 Asian flu 1918
Outbreaks
2015 United States H5N2 outbreak 2014 Kerala 2008 West Bengal 2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 2007 Australian equine 2006 H5N1 India 1976 swine flu
See also
Flu season Influenza evolution Influenza research Influenza-like illness Vaccine reformulations
v t e
The 1918 flu pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920) was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic, the first of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus.[1] It infected 500 million people around the world,[2] including remote Pacific islands and the Arctic, and resulted in the deaths of 50 to 100 million (three to five percent of the world's population[3]), making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history.[4][5][6] Disease had already greatly limited life expectancy in the early 20th century. A considerable spike occurred at the time of the pandemic, specifically the year 1918. Life expectancy in the United States alone dropped by about 12 years.[7][8][9][10]

Most influenza outbreaks disproportionately kill juvenile, elderly, or already weakened patients; in contrast, the 1918 pandemic predominantly killed previously healthy young adults.

There are several possible explanations for the high mortality rate of the 1918 influenza pandemic. Some research suggests that the specific variant of the virus had an unusually aggressive nature. One group of researchers recovered the original virus from the bodies of frozen victims, and found that transfection in animals caused a rapid progressive respiratory failure and death through a cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system). It was then postulated that the strong immune reactions of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults resulted in fewer deaths among those groups.[11]

More recent investigations, mainly based on original medical reports from the period of the pandemic,[12][13] found that the viral infection itself was not more aggressive than any previous influenza, but that the special circumstances (malnourishment, overcrowded medical camps and hospitals, poor hygiene) promoted bacterial superinfection that killed most of the victims typically after a somewhat prolonged death bed.[14][15]

Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify the pandemic's geographic origin.[2] It was implicated in the outbreak of encephalitis lethargica in the 1920s.[16]

To maintain morale, wartime censors minimized early reports of illness and mortality in Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States.[17][18] However, papers were free to report the epidemic's effects in neutral Spain (such as the grave illness of King Alfonso XIII).[19] This reporting dichotomy created a false impression of Spain as especially hard hit,[20] thereby giving rise to the pandemic's nickname, Spanish Flu.[21] In Spain, a different nickname was adopted, the Naples Soldier (Soldado de Nápoles), which came from a musical operetta (zarzuela) titled La canción del olvido (The Song of Forgetting), which premiered in Madrid during the first epidemic wave. Federico Romero, one of the librettists, quipped that the play's most popular musical number, Naples Soldier, was as catchy as the flu.

If history repeats itself we could sadly be in for even more tragedy and chaos.

 

[domi]

A couple of things stand out in that report: the descriptions of the bullet wounds, obviously. What type of gun/bullet causes those?

(Note: youtube/online knowledge follows)

Ammo that fragments by design: jacketed hollow point (JHP) or jacketed soft point (JSP)

If there's fragmentation then it is not a full metal jacket bullet (FMJ) although these FMJ 22 caliber bullets do tumble and create large wound channels.
There are bullets that are specifically design to fragment for either self defense or for hunting purposes.
Frangible ammo tends to disintegrate into smaller particles.

 

[Voyageur]

A great write up by Niall and Joe of the situation so far:
https://www.sott.net/article/363662-The-Las-Vegas-Massacre-and-Occams-Razor

Yes, good summary, and thanks!

Interesting about the oil tanks across the way and calls of active shooting. The way it seems to align indicates a small team; setting up a crossfire, adding confusion - timing, and someone primed to hang it around their neck when it is over, like Oswald.

A couple of things stand out in that report: the descriptions of the bullet wounds, obviously. What type of gun/bullet causes those?

(Note: youtube/online knowledge follows)

Ammo that fragments by design: jacketed hollow point (JHP) or jacketed soft point (JSP)

If there's fragmentation then it is not a full metal jacket bullet (FMJ) although these FMJ 22 caliber bullets do tumble and create large wound channels.
There are bullets that are specifically design to fragment for either self defense or for hunting purposes.
Frangible ammo tends to disintegrate into smaller particles.

Whatever it was that was used or whoever they were, they were maximizing damage to people - real ugly bastards - mercenary types, imo.

 

[Ca.]

A great write up by Niall and Joe of the situation so far:
https://www.sott.net/article/363662-The-Las-Vegas-Massacre-and-Occams-Razor

Yes, good summary, and thanks!

Interesting about the oil tanks across the way and calls of active shooting. The way it seems to align indicates a small team; setting up a crossfire, adding confusion - timing, and someone primed to hang it around their neck when it is over, like Oswald.

A couple of things stand out in that report: the descriptions of the bullet wounds, obviously. What type of gun/bullet causes those?

(Note: youtube/online knowledge follows)

Ammo that fragments by design: jacketed hollow point (JHP) or jacketed soft point (JSP)

If there's fragmentation then it is not a full metal jacket bullet (FMJ) although these FMJ 22 caliber bullets do tumble and create large wound channels.
There are bullets that are specifically design to fragment for either self defense or for hunting purposes.
Frangible ammo tends to disintegrate into smaller particles.

Whatever it was that was used or whoever they were, they were maximizing damage to people - real ugly bastards - mercenary types, imo.

I would go as far as to say that perhaps specialized ammo could have been utilized.

A 240 grain jacket hollow point .44 projectile is shot out of a Model 1874 Winchester lever action .44 Magnum Rifle and filmed in 20,000 frames per second_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xrnIs9iKQY

The next step in bullet evolution: The Radically Invasive Projectile (RIP) 2:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POi35ozcgZs

Yep, excellent analysis by Niall and Joe, with just the facts.

It looks like the deep state media press-titutes and dirty cops have hung themselves again.

I would imagine that the first respondents and the local law enforcement (as well as the trauma staffs) were seeing the physical devastation consistent with war time injuries and the uncanny hit accuracy's. And thinking something is not right with the ballistics and lethality.

 

[angelburst29]

Las Vegas Strip shooter targeted aviation fuel tanks, source says (Video-Graphic 10:27)
Updated October 4, 2017 - 9:46 pm
_https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-targeted-aviation-fuel-tanks-source-says/

Well I'll be damned. Check this out. I found it via this shorter report in the New York Post:

Las Vegas Shooter Targeted Secret Government Planes In Addition To Victims

Posted on Oct 5, 2017 @ 13:27PM

Las Vegas madman Stephen Paddock not only targeted innocent concertgoers — but also seemingly the hanger for the U.S. government’s super secret JANET airlines.

Law enforcement sources exclusively told RadarOnline.com that just afield of the two massive, circular fuel tanks at which Paddock fired, lies the shadowy terminal for JANET.

“JANET is essentially an airline that doesn’t exist,” a source told Radar. “It is not affiliated with any other airline.

“Insiders call it the ‘CIA’s airline,’ but, informally, it’s known as ‘JANET’ because its pilots use that identifier over air traffic control frequencies.”

“The airline mostly uses JANET as a shuttle service for military VIPs between Las Vegas and Area 51,” the source added. “The joke is that the acronym stands for Just Another Non-Existent Terminal.”

“It’s also a very intriguing angle given Paddock worked for the predecessor of Lockheed Martin, one of the U.S. government’s most relied upon military aviation manufacturers.”

As Radar previously reported, Paddock broke the window of his Mandalay Bay and Casino suite on the 32nd floor and fired upon the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, killing 59 and wounding more than 500 more.

But the retired 64-year-old also broke a second window and fired at two circular, white-pained fuel tanks 1,110 feet from the concert site on the edge of McCarran International Airport.

Officials have now confirmed he hit the tanks twice, although the bullets did not pierce their shells. Construction crews have already whitewashed the damage.

“Airport fueling has not been compromised,” airport spokesman Chris Jones acknowledged. “It’s functional.”

The tanks are owned and operated by Swissport, and used primarily to fuel numerous private airlines located around that part of McCarran. The closest airline is JANET.

In the wake of these revelations, Radar has learned JANET planes are officially owned by the U.S. Air Force — and operated by defense contractor AECOM. The planes neither carry nor display an N-number, and none of the usual identifying marks common to commercial and privately owned aircraft.

But those in the know them only by the distinctive red cheat line painted prominently across the planes’ fuselages.

The airline is most commonly used by the U.S. government to ferry military and government VIPs, and contractors between Las Vegas and Area 51, the super secret base where the military is believed to test experimental weapons and aircraft.

“JANET is based at McCarran International Airport and its hanger is just beyond a parking lot directly adjacent to those gas tankers,” Radar’s source said.

Dawna Kaufmann, an investigative journalist and author of Final Exams, told Radar she has monitored air traffic transmissions from McCarran.

“Each day many flights go from McCarran to various intelligence agency outposts, including Area 51,” she said. “But most flights go to Creech Air Force Base in Indian Springs, 35 miles northwest of Vegas.”

“Creech is where a joint US/UK program is housed for identifying drone targets in Iraq and Afghanistan or any other Middle East hot spot.” <snip>

Yeah right!

But the info about JANET is interesting.

2,000+ feet is a highly unlikely hit for Paddock to have been aiming at from the Mandalay Bay. If he'd hit it randomly, I might understand, but here they're having to give an explanation for why he targeted it because it's so far away from the main concert area in front of the stage.

What if police, not Paddock, or whoever the Mandalay Bay shooters were, shot at those fuel tanks because they were returning fire against shots coming from there?

Eyewitnesses have spoken of shots coming from all around. The tall casino/hotel buildings south, west and north of the concert venue provide clear sighting from those compass points of the concert venue below, but the closest vantage point east of the venue, in what is otherwise a wide open plane to the airport and beyond, are those two fuel tanks. Check the layout on Google Earth.

Earlier on in this thread, c.a. posted a chunk of scanner audio from the McCarran Airport Tower at the time of the shooting. The Controller can be heard warning pilots of "active shooters on the grounds..."

As for the statement - What if police, not Paddock, or whoever the Mandalay Bay shooters were, shot at those fuel tanks imagine the carnage and damage - if even one of those fuel tanks exploded and started a chain reaction that also blew the second tank?

The info on “JANET" being officially owned by the U.S. Air Force and operated by defense contractor AECOM might be a valuable hidden clue as to what might have actually been behind what happened here and why?

Take for instance, the odd report that ISIS took responsibility for this meaningless death and destruction? Why would an Israeli news agency be one of the first to quickly claim ISIS was involved? International Business picked up on the story and it spread on MSM. What does Israel have to do with this?

ISIS claims responsibility for Las Vegas massacre 02/10/17
_http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/236238

The ISIS terrorist organization has claimed responsibility for the deadliest mass shooting attack in US history.

US officials dismissed ISIS' claim of responsibility for the shooting. The officials stated that there was no evidence Paddock had any connection to extremist groups.

The FBI has determined that Paddock had no connections to any foreign terrorist organizations, including ISIS.

Keeping with the ISIS theme, C.A. just Posted this article earlier today in the Putin/Syria thread:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39681.3000.html

Syria War Report – October 5, 2017: Syrian Army Strikes ISIS Near Mayadin City
https://southfront.org/syria-war-report-october-5-2017-syrian-army-strikes-isis-near-mayadin-city/

Meanwhile, the Syria Arab Army (SAA) liberated Um Qddamah and Ard Hamirah and reached Az Zabari deploying to within striking distance of al-Mayadin, the key ISIS stronghold in the area.

Pro-government sources believe that liberating al-Mayadin would allow the army to cross the Euphrates River near the Omar oil fields. The SAA repelled an ISIS attack in the countryside of Sukhna and near Tulul al Hayl.

So, ISIS (falsely) claims responsibility for the Mandalay shootings and in Syria, Mayadin is a key ISIS stronghold and one of the last outposts about to be liberated. Is it a play on words or just a strange coincidence?

With all the Hotel's in the vicinity of Mandalay, Trump's isn't one of them.

Trump International Hotel Las Vegas is only a short distance, on the same main drag as Mandalay Bay, 3950 Las Vegas Blvd. - see map here:
https://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?rtp=adr.~pos.36.128833770752_-115.172645568848_2000+N+Fashion+Show+Dr%2c+Las+Vegas%2c+NV+89109_Trump+International+Hotel+Las+Vegas_(702)+982-0000

Some questions and speculation come to mind - side tracking the main stream media's narratives ...

Is it possible - McCarran International Airport and specifically, the two fuel tanks were the main targets, with one shooter aiming at the fuel tanks from an elevated position - while a secondary shooter (or more) aimed into the crowd of concert attendees - as a diversionary tactic? The two fuel tanks give the resemblance of the 911 Tower's?

Indirectly, was “JANET" targeted to curtail activities or "send a message" to the Pentagon? Is it possible, there is a Power-play between Israel and the Pentagon?

The Pentagon lost in Syria - the day Putin stepped in. Now, two years later, 91% of Syria has been liberated and the U.S. is being pushed out. Israel is worried about it's Golan Heights which the Syrian Army is closing in on, defeating and pushing back terrorist near the Border. Is the Mandalay incident a warning shot given to the Pentagon, to beef up their activities in Syria - to protect Israel's interests?

Just speculation?

 

[CdeSouza]

On Facebook, a woman named Alika has been collecting posts from various people claiming to have witnessed other shooting incidents.

I've seen several different ones for the Bellagio, where people heard shots well after the incident at Mandalay was over. Some claim a metal stand crashed through the door and caused people to panic. However, everyone was shooed quickly away from that area. They were also not allowed to go outside.

Even odder, a man going by the name "president of Canada" claims to have witnessed police shooting a person, and that there were multiple gunmen.

https://imgur.com/a/yhVpl

I also found a link to a Facebook page where a concertgoer filmed the shootings on his Gopro; the sound is quite good on it. https://tinyurl.com/y85wekxw

 

[Windmill knight]

Is it possible - McCarran International Airport and specifically, the two fuel tanks were the main targets, with one shooter aiming at the fuel tanks from an elevated position - while a secondary shooter (or more) aimed into the crowd of concert attendees - as a diversionary tactic? The two fuel tanks give the resemblance of the 911 Tower's?

Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's unlikely that a fuel tank will explode due to bullet impacts as we see in the movies - especially from that distance.

Indirectly, was “JANET" targeted to curtail activities or "send a message" to the Pentagon? Is it possible, there is a Power-play between Israel and the Pentagon?

The Pentagon lost in Syria - the day Putin stepped in. Now, two years later, 91% of Syria has been liberated and the U.S. is being pushed out. Israel is worried about it's Golan Heights which the Syrian Army is closing in on, defeating and pushing back terrorist near the Border. Is the Mandalay incident a warning shot given to the Pentagon, to beef up their activities in Syria - to protect Israel's interests?

Thanks, my thoughts were heading in the same direction. My intuition is that the narrative of the lone gunman was so half-cooked and hard to believe, while the attack itself so professional and lethal, involving diversionary tactics, etc, that it's almost as if the US government itself had no idea it was coming and a third powerful party did it. The local cops certainly did not see it coming, as evidenced by the skepticism of the local sheriff towards the idea of the shooter acting alone. And the attack was in such close proximity to that CIA airfield that perhaps they and their like were the recipients of the message. And which intelligence operatives would be both willing and capable of pulling something like this right under the nose of the US? I can only think of Mossad, and if so, what would be their intention if not to push the US into doing some dirty work for them in the ME, such as getting fully involved in a war against Assad? It worked with 9/11, so why not again?

Well, at this point it's just speculation as you say, angelburst, but interesting as a hypothesis nevertheless.

 

[Woodsman]

I listened through this clip of the police radio scanner communications, and from that it sounded like the lone shooter theory was entirely plausible.

https://youtu.be/Uby3-4rojHw

Several teams were dispatched to reports of gunfire in different locations, but each team upon arrival reported, “Negative gunfire”.

This is interesting because after also seeing the video below, it would appear that there WAS gunfire at least at the Bellagio. -We don't see it or hear it, but the woman making the video provided a compelling narrative and talked to several people who seemed to confirm her claims. This would imply that the dispatcher was perhaps being given a false indication of no activity by the teams on the ground when they arrived to investigate.

https://youtu.be/6V_gS9ythDQ

The “negative" reports came in very quickly; a team would arrive and immediately report that the alarm had been false. I don’t know how that would happen; presumably a team would have to secure the area and interview people on the scene and then compare notes to determine what had or had not happened. I don’t see how you could instantly determine that there was no shooting without at least five or ten minutes of work after arriving.

Which implies a few possible scenarios; that the entire dispatch scanner recording had been deliberate theater, (I rather doubt that, seeing as a dispatch channel is presumably a real and necessary means of coordinating police, and faking it in its entirety would create all kinds of security challenges, requiring a huge number of co-conspirators and thus points of possible failure).

Assuming the dispatch channel is genuine, it would imply that many police were really out trying to do their jobs as best they could and had no intention of deceiving the public. -And that their perceptions were being managed right along with everybody else's.

It would also mean that there was either some means of intercepting teams on the ground and giving their commanders false information upon arrival at the various locations. -Or that through some secondary channel, they were told to back off and report a negative on gunfire.

A cell phone call from a superior, "The CIA/NSA/ABC is taking point. Stand your team down and report nothing."

In the case of the Bellagio, the dispatcher herself reported on the channel that there were no shots fired, presumably determined from a phone call to the hotel.

 

[angelburst29]

Thanks, my thoughts were heading in the same direction. My intuition is that the narrative of the lone gunman was so half-cooked and hard to believe, while the attack itself so professional and lethal, involving diversionary tactics, etc, that it's almost as if the US government itself had no idea it was coming and a third powerful party did it. The local cops certainly did not see it coming, as evidenced by the skepticism of the local sheriff towards the idea of the shooter acting alone. And the attack was in such close proximity to that CIA airfield that perhaps they and their like were the recipients of the message. And which intelligence operatives would be both willing and capable of pulling something like this right under the nose of the US? I can only think of Mossad, and if so, what would be their intention if not to push the US into doing some dirty work for them in the ME, such as getting fully involved in a war against Assad? It worked with 9/11, so why not again?

Well, at this point it's just speculation as you say, angelburst, but interesting as a hypothesis nevertheless.

My brain is starting to feel like mush and I'm not sure what to do with this info?

James J. Murren, the Mandalay Bay CEO is also a board member of the Department of Homeland Security’s National Infrastructure Advisory Council.

_https://preview.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/niac-qbm-minutes-draft-06-24-16-508.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Murren

Mandalay must have security ... up the ying-yang ... and no-body can figure out ... how this guy got all those guns past security?

 

[Meager1]

And now all government flights must be approved by the White House, before a plane leaves the ground.
I actually wonder if the south west is ready to..go over..into 4D and the scare tactics to keep people away have already begun.

 

[aragorn]

Thanks, my thoughts were heading in the same direction. My intuition is that the narrative of the lone gunman was so half-cooked and hard to believe, while the attack itself so professional and lethal, involving diversionary tactics, etc, that it's almost as if the US government itself had no idea it was coming and a third powerful party did it. The local cops certainly did not see it coming, as evidenced by the skepticism of the local sheriff towards the idea of the shooter acting alone. And the attack was in such close proximity to that CIA airfield that perhaps they and their like were the recipients of the message. And which intelligence operatives would be both willing and capable of pulling something like this right under the nose of the US? I can only think of Mossad, and if so, what would be their intention if not to push the US into doing some dirty work for them in the ME, such as getting fully involved in a war against Assad? It worked with 9/11, so why not again?

At this point I'm thinking that this is the most plausible scenario. My guess is, that these Mossad-guys intentionally did the operation in a semi-sloppy fashion, with various shootings at hotels etc., so as to leave a big mess for the US authorities to explain to the public. This could be seen as their modus operandi, as in 9/11 or MH17, to leave a bunch of false leads so that the people (with some neurons firing) questioning the event will chase after the wrong suspect (like in 9/11 => inside job!), and never suspect this third party (Mossad).