Terror in Las Vegas: Mass shooting at Route91 Harvest music festival

JEEP said:
The Route 91 Harvest was a harvest of souls and an announcement ISIS is here and the extrapolation would be that ISIS is the army for the global transportation system originally initiated in Germany – spread throughout the world that seeks to control all movement.

It would certainly seem that this latest false flag is another highly planned psyop to further move the globalist agenda along its predetermined path. The info re transportation certainly affirms the direction of what's playing out worldwide > driverless cars/smart cities/smart meters/5G. Seeing a glimpse of how widespread & deep the system in place actually is does leave one thinking that it's hopeless to stop this juggernaut rolling across humanity. However, a glimmer of hope does indeed exist - and real results are being achieved:

Escaping The Smart Grid - A Conversation with the InPower Movement

Universal Law/sovereign law trumps all others.

1. No man or woman, in or out of government shall initiate force, threat of force or fraud against my life and property and, any and all contracts Im a party to not giving full disclosure to me whether signed by me or not are void at my discretion.

2. I may use force in self-defense against anyone that violates Law

3. There shall be no exceptions to Law 1 and 2.


https://youtu.be/1UdXvdxz0Qs

I finally made the connection recently in thinking about the ever expanding surveillance of the population -
just picture that all-seeing eye . . .

Jeep,

Your posted video reminds me of a man who claims to be a Judge David Wynn Miller. He claims many of the similar rules of law and that we can use them in our favor to take back the planet from the evil overlords. This was about 3 years ago. He offers to re-write contracts because he claims the legal language is faulty and he has the cure.

His home site-map gives you an idea of his new legal language for almost any contract (even the lord's prayer): _http://www.dwmlc.com/dwm/pages/sitemap.php

Here is a sample video. See if you can spot the similarities.


https://youtu.be/ULL0TX_Kazo

These offers of salvation through legalese don't look too promising to me lately. Feels a lot like wishful thinking OSIT.
 
SummerLite said:
The Health Ranger does a Forensic Acoustic Analysis of the gunfire and concludes there where 2 shooters. One at approximately 425/475 yards, the Mandalay Bay and another closer at 250/275 yards, on a roof top, bill board etc.


https://youtu.be/JxmEFeKy8aI

In essence, because of the differences in the speed of sound vs. the speed of the bullets from a known cartridge (.223 Remington, in this case), the time lag between the last bullet hitting the pavement and the last audible report of the rifle muzzle can be used to very accurately calculate the range of the shooter.

More importantly, when the audio from the Las Vegas shooting is analyzed, it reveals TWO shooters operating at the same time, not just one shooter. Shooter #1 is operating at 425 – 475 yards, which is consistent with the Mandalay Bay hotel, but shooter #2 is operating at approximately 250 – 270 yards.

SummerLite,

I think this video seems to be very logical and level-headed. It explains why it is almost futile to just listen to the audio on these videos and guess if there is more than one shooter or which direction the shots came from. We don't know for sure if he has good enough equipment to do the analysis but he makes a lot of sense OSIT. Can we be sure he did a legitimate and accurate test? As with everything so far it is like "wait and see". I can see why the lag time by itself could make you think you are hearing more than one shooter.
 
Apparently a Charger was found in Paddocks room that doesn't match any of his cellphones. Additionally it is alleged "that during a period when Paddock's car was left the hotel garage, one of his key cards was used to get into his room":

Investigators are trying to determine whether anyone else was in the Las Vegas gunman's hotel room during the time he was registered there.

And the team have come up with two shocking discoveries that suggest the 64-year-old gunman may have had an accomplice.

First, a charger was found in his Mandalay Bay hotel room on the 32nd floor overlooking the Las Vegas strip that does not match any of the cellphones that belonged to the gunman.

Secondly, garage records show that during a period when Paddock's car was left the hotel garage, one of his key cards was used to get into his room.

Sean Hannity from Fox News apparently reported the same thing on his show:

_https://grabien.com/file.php?id=267157
 
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What does terrorism insurance program mean for Las Vegas? Quite a lot
October 11, 2017
https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2015/jan/14/what-does-terrorism-insurance-program-mean-las-veg/
By J.D. Morris, Amber Phillips Wed, Jan 14, 2015 (2 a.m.)
In its first week back, there was one thing virtually all of Congress could agree on: Las Vegas casinos and other large commercial businesses should be protected financially from a major terrorist attack.

A bill to restart a federal program helping to do just that passed the new Republican Congress last week and was signed into law by President Barack Obama on Tuesday.

The legislation renews a 2002 federal program that promises insurance companies the government will step in to help pay for damage above $200 million in the event of terrorist attacks against a major commercial business.

Created after 9/11, the program encourages insurance companies to offer casinos, shopping centers, hospitals, stadiums, universities and hotels coverage for major terrorist attacks.

All of Nevada's congressional delegation supported the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act, or TRIA. The act has major implications for Las Vegas' economy, the state of Nevada and major cities across the nation. Here's why:

Terrorism is a real threat to Las Vegas casinos

The idea that terrorists would single out the Strip for an attack is hopefully far-fetched — but it’s not entirely unsubstantiated, either.

Last year, an English-language Al Qaeda magazine instructed readers how to make car bombs and suggested Las Vegas casinos as targets. And some of the 9/11 hijackers visited Las Vegas in the months leading up to the attack.

Beyond those specific connections, however, casinos in general are at risk because they’re so big. Scores of customers who could become victims pass through every day, and if a casino did endure an attack, the cost of recovery could be devastating.

For Caesars Entertainment, which oversees nine casinos on or near the Strip, the insurance is welcome even if a terrorism attack might be unlikely.

“Casinos are a potential target, as are other businesses, for terrorists because there are large numbers of people who are potential victims,”
said Gary Thompson, Caesars spokesman.
“The need for federal protection from terrorist attacks in terms of insurance liabilities is critical, because it could put a company out of business if an attack were launched on a casino.”
It could also cripple the state economy, which is heavily reliant on the business generated by the casino industry.

"If a terrorist attack were to occur," said Sen. Dean Heller, a Nevada Republican who helped push the bill in the Senate, "our entire state economy would be devastated without TRIA."


The law is touted as a job creator

Before casinos or hotels can get loans to expand, they often have to prove to banks they're insured for a terrorist attack. But insurance companies have been reluctant to offer such coverage because the payout would be massive. That's why Congress stepped in with the program in 2002.

In 2014, Congress battled all year on the program's specifics. Lawmakers actually left town in December without a deal, and the program expired at the end of the year.

That created a lot of uncertainty for new Las Vegas projects, which theoretically could have had to put plans on hold without the terrorism insurance protection.

"If TRIA was not in place," said Paul Moradkhan, vice president of government affairs for the Las Vegas Metro Chamber of Commerce
,
"the whole construction and development of new projects in Southern Nevada would have to be halted."
The American Gaming Association, a Washington, D.C.-based trade group for casinos, made a similar argument while pushing for renewal of the legislation.

“Without TRIA, the gaming industry will face costly difficulties in obtaining coverage, often required for critical community investments,”
Geoff Freeman, the gaming association’s chief executive, wrote in a letter to leaders of the Senate Banking Committee last June.

The gaming association is part of the Coalition to Insure Against Terrorism, a group of businesses and organizations that came together to support the initial passage of TRIA as well as each of its subsequent extensions.

In November, the gaming association says it led meetings with several lawmakers — including Heller, Nevada’s Rep. Joe Heck and policy staff for Sen. Harry Reid — to advocate for TRIA’s importance to gaming. The gaming association also says it helped get “dozens” of members of Congress on board with the reauthorization of TRIA.

This latest bill keeps the program for another six years.
All of Nevada's congressional delegation voted for it. Las Vegas Democrat Rep. Dina Titus, who helped push the bill in the House of Representatives, said she'd like to see the program extended permanently so this uncertainty doesn't happen again.

It sends an olive branch to the business community

Washington bickering these past few years over everything from taxes to financial rules has left a bad taste in the business community's mouth.

Businesses large and small have complained they can't plan for the long term because they don't know what regulations they'll have to live by year to year.

Things seemed to hit a low point when Congress let terrorism risk insurance protections expire in December.

But Congress got its act together and passed the bill its first week back. Some took it as a sign of commitment from this Congress to focus on more business issues.
"The fact they've taken action so quickly is definitely a great message to business community,"
Moradkhan of the Las Vegas chamber of commerce.

Why Isn't MSM Talking About THIS Footage From Vegas?
Published on Oct 9, 2017

https://youtu.be/wYC6kOcX6TI?rel=0
Because of the speed with which sound and light travel, I thought it would be better to sync the sound, not the light. I'm not an expert so I can only guess what the popping is. One thing's for sure though, something made that crowd on the RIGHT side panic BEFORE the rapid fire shots rang out, and BEFORE people in other parts of the crowd (including Aldean) were clued in to what was going on.

Break-in at Las Vegas shooter’s home in Reno confounds police
Published time: 11 Oct, 2017 03:39
https://www.rt.com/usa/406310-paddock-house-reno-break-in/
Links within:
FBI agents returned to search a house in Reno owned by Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock after local police told them that someone had broken into the home over the weekend.

Reno police officer Tim Broadway said they were called to the house Sunday morning by a neighbor who saw lights on in the home owned by Paddock.

“Nobody really saw anything, just a light was on with nobody in the residence,”
Broadway said, according to the Associated Press.

Broadway said officers discovered that "someone had broken into the house” and he immediately contacted the FBI.

He added that the suspects broke into the home through the front door over the weekend, but said he was not sure exactly how they gained entry. Police are not aware of any damages or anything that was stolen.

There are no suspects at this time or any descriptions of a suspect.

The FBI is working with Reno police to ensure
“there are no further incidents,”
Broadway told the Reno-Gazette Journal.

Paddock, 64, bought the house in the upscale retirement community in 2013 and lived there with his girlfriend, Marilou Danley.

Investigators previously searched the residence on October 3 and found five handguns, two shotguns, numerous electronic devices and a “plethora of ammunition,” according to KOLO.

During a news conference Monday, Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said the FBI and behavioral analysis agents were revisiting Paddock’s properties in order to possibly “discern additional evidence.”


https://youtu.be/SSvGePfK6fE?rel=0
 
Approaching Infinity said:
Also, they've changed the timeline so that the security guard is shot BEFORE the main shooting starts.

_http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

The whole situation with the security guard, sounds bogus from beginning to end, no matter how they are trying to spin and doctor it up? I do get the impression, local law enforcement weren't privy or had foreknowledge "of what was planned or going down"? And were basically misdirected by reports (probably by a plant inside the Police Com Center) to delay and stall local law enforcement from getting to Paddock's room and the crime scene?

Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.

Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest Festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m. and left 58 people dead, with hundreds more injured.

If you heard - what you thought were gun shots coming from a room - would you be stupid enough to walk up to that door - only to get "shot in the leg" by "200 rounds" coming through the door? (Who dreams this stuff up - it's sounds like something out of the Wild West and a John Wayne movie?)

But on Monday, the timeline changed.

“Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world,” Lombardo said at a Monday news conference.

Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said. He didn’t say whether Campos notified casino security after he was shot.

Campos was only shot in "one" leg but couldn't manage to get to the elevator, go down to the main Lobby and get help? He had to be recused by Police Officers? But, then ...

After Campos was shot, a maintenance worker appeared on the 32nd floor and “Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo said.
Giggle :rotfl: Giggle ... and a HERO was born?

The mental picture I get, someone came up to Paddock's door and knocked. Paddock - known to carry large sums of money, probably had a legal Permit for conceal carry? When Paddock opened the door, several men barged in and in the confrontation, someone referred to as being Jesus Campos got shot in the leg. In return, Paddock was killed. Camera's were then positioned outside the room, so the real perpetuators could finish up their mission? The odd phone jack that was left behind, that didn't correspond to any of Paddock's phones was probably "military issue" to support outside communications during the shooting melee? After the perpetuators job was done and they cleared out - Jesus Campos was left behind "to steer the investigation" when Las Vegas law enforcement finally did arrived? Question - Why did law enforcement only acknowledge seeing Campos (with the leg shot) and no mention of the maintenance worker when they arrived on the scene? The whole story has holes in it!

Add to the above, a report of another security guard running through another hotel lobby, away from the scene. The perpetuators were probably dressed as security guards and the Campos character was one of them?
 
angelburst29 said:
Add to the above, a report of another security guard running through another hotel lobby, away from the scene. The perpetuators were probably dressed as security guards and the Campos character was one of them?

Looks like "they" are in a panic mode as damage control moves in to keep up with the DS narrative.

Las Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock Warned Me ‘To Take Cover': MGM Maintenance Man | TODAY
Published on Oct 11, 2017

https://youtu.be/khtcXWpetTQ?rel=0
Stephen Schuck, a building engineer at the Mandalay Bay Hotel, was on the 32nd floor when the Las Vegas mass shooting began. He tells TODAY that he had been called to check on an exit door and was walking down the hallway when “I started to hear shots ring out” and Stephen Paddock “popped out and yelled at me to take cover.” He adds “I am incredibly blessed that somehow I came out of there alive.”


Sheriff Lombardo talks about mass shooting investigatio
n (Michael Quine/Las Vegas Review-Journal) 02:21 :pinocchio:
_https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/sheriff-shares-new-details-about-las-vegas-shooting-investigation/
Updated October 10, 2017 - 10:47 pm
The sheriff said investigators have made contact with Paddock’s entire “family tree,” including the shooter’s two ex-wives. Their conversations have shed new light on the shooter’s upbringing but have yet to answer the most daunting question: Why?

“We may never know,” Lombardo said. “All those things that you would expect to find, we have not found.”

He said investigators are making progress each day.

Paddock, a video poker player, checked in to Mandalay Bay on Sept. 25 — three days earlier than initially reported.

Lombardo said Paddock spent those first three days in a separate room, and the hotel provided that room free of charge for unknown reasons. Paddock spent the remaining days in the corner suite where he staged his attack, and he paid for the suite himself.

“We’ve learned that there’s a difference of comp days versus personal pay days,” Lombardo said. “We were going off the personal pay days.”

While investigators continue to comb through Paddock’s corner suite, nothing significant was collected from the first room, the sheriff said.

Though Paddock checked in about a week before the shooting occurred, he did not remain in Las Vegas. Authorities believe he traveled to Mesquite several times in the days leading up to Oct. 1.

Throughout his time in Las Vegas, Paddock did not interact with many people, the sheriff said, dispelling rumors the shooter had met with a prostitute for at least one night.

Bellman helped with bags

On at least two occasions, a bellman helped Paddock bring bags up to his 32nd-floor suite. After poring over surveillance footage, authorities have yet to spot any red flags about Paddock’s actions leading up to Oct. 1 that may have signaled his planned ambush.

Lombardo also said he was not aware of any video footage that may have shown Paddock driving into the desert near Mesquite to practice shooting his rifles, contrary to reports.

Doctors have begun Paddock’s autopsy, and as of Tuesday, an examination of his brain revealed no abnormalities, the sheriff said. He did not have any information about Paddock’s toxicology results.

The Review-Journal first reported last week that Dr. Steven Winkler of Henderson had prescribed Paddock an anti-anxiety drug in June. Lombardo said the investigation has not identified any other physicians who have treated Paddock.

The night of the shooting, there were 51 Metropolitan Police Department officers working overtime to staff the Route 91 Harvest festival. When the volleys of gunfire began hitting the crowd, those officers formed several strike teams to find and take down the suspect.

But in the first hour after shots began, the echoes of gunfire created confusion, leading to false reports of gunshots at multiple Strip locations, Lombardo said. Medics were also dispatched to several different locations because some gunshot victims were able to run from the festival to different Strip properties, then call for help.

Before Paddock sprayed bullets into the crowd, Paddock opened fire down the hallway of the 32nd floor, injuring Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos. The guard, who was not armed, was on the floor responding to a door left ajar when he heard the sound of drilling coming from Paddock’s room.

The guard was shot in the thigh, and though Paddock fired more than 200 rounds down the hall and into nearby rooms, no one else in the hotel was injured.

After the guard was shot, the guard radioed Mandalay Bay security, who then reported the shooting to police. The sheriff was cautious about giving an exact timeline, but he commended hotel staff for their response.

‘Everybody did a fantastic job’

“You’re never going to get me to say that somebody dropped the ball,” the sheriff said. “I don’t believe that happened. I think everybody did a fantastic job.”

After Campos was hit, he took cover in an alcove in the hallway, warning a maintenance man to take cover. The guard stayed in hiding until police arrived on the floor in an elevator, Lombardo said.

Police who responded evacuated rooms before entering Paddock’s suite, where he had killed himself.

As the investigation continues, the sheriff thanked the FBI for helping relieve local law enforcement resources, allowing them to focus on other crimes.

He also said, as part of ongoing hotel security re-evaluations, guards could begin accompanying housekeeping into rooms with views of special event venues.

Lombardo added that both Danley and the shooter’s brother, Eric Paddock, have not been cleared of wrongdoing by investigators.

He expects to release more information Friday.
Jesus Campos.
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c.a. said:
Edit Added:

Assange Warns About Vegas Shooting: ‘Almost All Terror Plots are Created by the FBI’
(video)
By Jack Burns - October 8, 2017
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/assange-las-vegas-shooting-fbi-terrorism/?utm_source=getresponse&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=savoymatt&utm_content=The+Free+Thought+Project+Newsletter
Julian Assange noted that the FBI's business model is to stage terror plots so they can swoop in and save the day by foiling the plot they created.
Snip:
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange weighed in on last Sunday night’s deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas, and he pointed out that the FBI has a sordid history of targeting mentally ill and emotionally unstable individuals.

“Almost all ‘terror’ plots are created by the FBI as part of its business model,”
Assange wrote.

Arguably one of the world’s most respected journalists, whom members of the federal government want to label a spy, Assange linked his comments to a Business Insider story written by Caroline Simone titled, “The FBI is ‘manufacturing terrorism cases’ on a greater scale than ever before.” Simone wrote an echo piece from the New York Times which indicated that 67% of terrorism criminal cases also involved evidence provided by undercover FBI agents.

Simone wrote an echo piece for the New York Times, which indicated that 67 percent of terrorism criminal cases also involved evidence provided by undercover FBI agents.

As discussed elsewhere on this site, and regardless of that stated above, Assange is very likely a CIA operative.

Related to this, historically there has been great dissonance between the FBI and the CIA. They were completely different in character. The FBI as headed by Hoover was largely blue collar. The CIA was Ivy League bred and was tied to the Nazis. Look into the exploits of Allen Dulles to start to flesh that out. In any event, Hoover absolutely detested the CIA, and was threatened by its burgeoning power.

This is not to say that Assange is incorrect in pointing the finger at the FBI when it comes to domestic terror. As some here will recall, in his book, Programmed To Kill, the late Dave McGawon discussed how the FBI is responsible for creating (and implementing operations related to) the now common perception of the lone crazed serial killer, which was pushed on academia as well.

Still, when I read the above what came to mind was the early rift between the CIA and the FBI and how it was subsequently dealt with. After 9/11 the FBI was in many respects coopted by the CIA. There was a move to unify these agencies, which in part is why the Office of Homeland Security emerged.

I would have to look into all this again to be more specific, but once again it's important to keep in mind that there are always feuding agendas in the works at the top. I remember how after 9/ll it came out how many at the FBI were stopped from pursuing important leads prior to the event. This came to mind for me when I later read how the CIA was to in some manner merge with or co-opt that agency.

It might therefore also follow that the FBI is more and more involved in domestic terror (as claimed by Assange) given that agency's coopting.

Keeping that in mind, Assange's claim that "the FBI's business model is to stage terror plots so they can swoop in and save the day by foiling the plot they created" is embarrassingly simplistic. Instead, this statement might well go to the history of infighting going on between the agencies (which seemingly continues even in the aftermath of the CIA's post-9/11 FBI presence). Remember, domestic terror is crucial to deep state deception and control. Its traumatizing, demoralizing effect has political and social ramifications that FAR exceed that of a lone agency's self fulfilling business model. Disinformation -- or a poorly contextualized use of real information -- can serve to lose the forrest for the trees, as is seemingly the case in this instance.

Anyway, this is just a sketch of some possibilities to further consider here.
 
Heather said:
Keeping that in mind, Assange's claim that "the FBI's business model is to stage terror plots so they can swoop in and save the day by foiling the plot they created" is embarrassingly simplistic.

Hi Heather, and thanks for your input. I wouldn't say that the above is embarrassingly simplistic, because most people still have no idea that this IS the case and the FBI (as part of the 'deep state') really does need to 'drum up business' in this way to justify their existence. That is of course, not the whole picture, but I'd say it's likely to be a strong rationale behind the many bogus "terror plots" that the FBI has orchestrated over the last 15 years.

Heather said:
Instead, this statement might well go to the history of infighting going on between the agencies (which seemingly continues even in the aftermath of the CIA's post-9/11 FBI presence). Remember, domestic terror is crucial to deep state deception and control. Its traumatizing, demoralizing effect has political and social ramifications that FAR exceed that of a lone agency's self fulfilling business model. Disinformation -- or a poorly contextualized use of real information -- can serve to lose the forrest for the trees, as is seemingly the case in this instance.

Certainly keeping the terrorism mill grinding serves another agenda of state control via the increasing militarization of society, but the two go together rather seamlessly. Character disturbed people in positions of authority throughout the world have long since known, in one way or another, that their jobs depend on the continuing need among the people to be protected by authorities. This is especially true of individuals who only got their positions in the context of a terror threat from which the people needed protecting. Those types are super-motivated to disseminate all manner of threats to the people because, frankly, their paychecks depend on them doing so. So an FBI "special agent in charge" and his superiors know that going out and actively digging up terror plots, aka more or less creating them justifies their positions in at least two ways at the same time:

1) it ensures budgets (their salaries and perks) are justified which allows them to continue the militarization i.e. oppression of society

2) it ensures that the people are reminded of the existence of the "terror plot threat to their lives" which encourages people to place their trust in "security services" and accept more militarization of i.e. oppression of society
 
Hi Joe. Thanks for responding.

I largely agree with what you're saying. I think it's just a difference of emphasis. In other words, Assange's comments seem to take on a somewhat different meaning if:

1) one agrees there's a good chance he's a CIA operative;

2) one is aware of the longstanding rift between the CIA and the FBI.

I think these factors color things somewhat differently since in this context Assange's comments could represent the CIA hedging its bets and using the FBI as the potential fall guy if necessary, even if (ironically) the FBI has fallen under the CIA's purview.

But, as you say, there are numerous things operating simultaneously. The FBI's staging of terror events, and in such a way that they get credit for how well they respond to the very operations they themselves orchestrate (so to bolster the necessity of said agency in the public eye) doesn't contradict the "insider's" drama I'm speculating about.

Actually, do you think that Assange isn't an agent? Just curious.
 
c.a. said:
Stephen Schuck, a building engineer at the Mandalay Bay Hotel, was on the 32nd floor when the Las Vegas mass shooting began. He tells TODAY that he had been called to check on an exit door and was walking down the hallway when “I started to hear shots ring out” and Stephen Paddock “popped out and yelled at me to take cover.” He adds “I am incredibly blessed that somehow I came out of there alive.”

As a clarification this guy said it was Jesus (the security guard) that popped out and told him to take cover, not Paddock as you wrote above.
 
Heather said:
Actually, do you think that Assange isn't an agent? Just curious.
I don't know what Joe thinks, but I believe Julian Assange is just what he appears to be. Assange is the front man for Wikileaks, which published Chelsea (then-Bradley) Manning's Collateral Murder video along with about 50,000 highly classified and very damning State Department messages. Why do you suggest he is a CIA agent? What's your angle?

What Assange pointed out about the FBI is correct - the FBI invents most of its 'terrorist plots'. But it intervenes and arrests the poor idiots it entraps before their bomb goes off. The 'mass shooting' in Las Vegas last Sunday was a much more elaborate and ambitious false flag event, more characteristic of a sloppy deep state plot than a tight-ass FBI plot.

The FBI seems to be falling behind while trying to play catch-up on this Las Vegas thing. The FBI manager in Las Vegas is named Aaron Rouse, and he was recently seen standing next to the county sheriff at a news conference, silent but appearing very uncomfortable. (His father in law is John Podesta, who was Killary Clinton's campaign manager last year.)

Meanwhile, the Las Vegas mass shooting narrative is visibly falling apart before our eyes and it's becoming increasingly more obvious that this event was a false flag, a psych-op.
 
Hi Griffin.

I'm not saying Assange's statements are untrue. I'm saying there are differing ways of interpreting them depending on context.

As most of us here know, good COINTELPRO has to offer genuinely good information for it to pass as cover. Thus it's more the context, tenor and ultimately use of such information that needs to be analyzed.

Actually, I would add Snowden to the agent list as well.

If given some time I can put together a post on the subject. This isn't anything I've been thinking about lately, it just came to mind in response to the prior post on Assange.

I'm not quite sure how to link to it, but I talked about this very issue on a thread titled "Are Julian Assange and Edward Snowden MKUltra products?"

At the end of the post -- and on another topic entirely -- I speculate as to whether Dick Cheney might run for president in the final hour (!) So, you see, I'm certainly not always right! Still, sometimes it's useful to share one's speculations since it can lead to some good re-evaluation.
 
Heather said:
Hi Joe. Thanks for responding.

I largely agree with what you're saying. I think it's just a difference of emphasis. In other words, Assange's comments seem to take on a somewhat different meaning if:

1) one agrees there's a good chance he's a CIA operative;

2) one is aware of the longstanding rift between the CIA and the FBI.

I think these factors color things somewhat differently since in this context Assange's comments could represent the CIA hedging its bets and using the FBI as the potential fall guy if necessary, even if (ironically) the FBI has fallen under the CIA's purview.

But, as you say, there are numerous things operating simultaneously. The FBI's staging of terror events, and in such a way that they get credit for how well they respond to the very operations they themselves orchestrate (so to bolster the necessity of said agency in the public eye) doesn't contradict the "insider's" drama I'm speculating about.

Actually, do you think that Assange isn't an agent? Just curious.


Here is the C's response to questions about Assange.

From 12 Dec 2010

Q: (L) Our next question is about Julian Assange and Wikileaks. Is Wikileaks what it presents itself to be? A grassroots, document leaking organization formed by a bunch of activist hackers and so forth?

A: It was briefly.

Q: (L) You say it was briefly; that means it was probably co-opted fairly early on. So, can you tell us if Julian Assange is an agent?

A: This is a question that you have already answered.

Q: (L) What I mean is, is he consciously an agent?

A: To some extent, yes. But remember programming of both the human and 4D varieties.

Q: (Perceval) Is it true that he had that meeting with the Israelis to agree that he would not release damaging documents about them?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And what is the objective of this Sideshow?

A: You guessed it this afternoon; preparation to accept global control. Or so it is planned.

Q: (L) I guess that means it may or may not turn out the way they expect?

A: It will get close. But remember the ”X” factor.

Q: (L) What is the X factor?

A: Earth changes.
 
Related to the Las Vegas shooting, and as an aside as data, listened to a radio show while driving today concerning Guns in America - the slant was on study funding, or rather lack thereof - decades old ban on studies/funding with the NRA implicated and a "Rider" put on CDC policy. The show was called Firearms knowledge gap on Quirks and Quarks with Bob McDonald Oct 6, 2017 and the interview was with Dr. Megan Raddi (trauma physician and Prof at Browns).

What she said is that 100,000 + deaths occur each year (same as motor vehicle crashes) in the US by firearms (100 per day) and two thirds of these are by suicide and one third by homicide. One percent or less is by mass shootings.

This interview is short ending just after the 10:00 minute mark. Some of the examples cited on issues were things like when a war Vet is threatened that if they feel suicidal their guns will be removed, of course they will not say and this is said to be the downside of screening. All to known, some deaths are to our children as a result of playing with firearms, or just accidents in general (hunting etc.) - no statistics on how many people are needlessly killed by police. Part of the focus is on risk factors (screening), so this will likely be something brought up more and more as they all look for answers - mostly it is on doing the research rather than not doing.

http://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/quirks-and-quarks/episode/14299009
 
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