Terror in Las Vegas: Mass shooting at Route91 Harvest music festival

[Heather]

This guy, who has experience with guns, does a detailed analysis of one of the videos (not the taxi video) which suggests multiple shooters. The video he looks at is on the ground at the concert where you can hear sharp bursts of fire and more muted prolonged fire.

https://youtu.be/nG2oQ65zi-Q

He points out that the spotlights illuminating the crowd weren’t on until after the shooting started. He compares against multiple videos of people shooting automatic weapons and explains why he thinks at least one of the shooters was using a belt-fed weapon. He also mentions that a suppressor was probably used by the shooter who was close to the crowd, and the purpose of a suppressor (not a silencer) is to make it hard to identify the location of the shots. He also points out the distinct difference in sound between the 2 shooters suggesting a large distance between them. Finally he points out that the shooter in the upper floor of the hotel would have to be right against the window in order to be able to fire at that downward angle, which should make him visible to the target crowd - basically that he couldn’t shoot from deep inside the room if he was at that elevation and therefore couldn’t conceal himself that way.

It’s all just suppositions of course but it was an interesting breakdown.

Actually, what's not supposition is the fact that you can distinctly hear two different assault weapons going off simultaneously.

 

[Glenn]

This guy, who has experience with guns, does a detailed analysis of one of the videos (not the taxi video) which suggests multiple shooters. The video he looks at is on the ground at the concert where you can hear sharp bursts of fire and more muted prolonged fire.

https://youtu.be/nG2oQ65zi-Q

He points out that the spotlights illuminating the crowd weren’t on until after the shooting started. He compares against multiple videos of people shooting automatic weapons and explains why he thinks at least one of the shooters was using a belt-fed weapon. He also mentions that a suppressor was probably used by the shooter who was close to the crowd, and the purpose of a suppressor (not a silencer) is to make it hard to identify the location of the shots. He also points out the distinct difference in sound between the 2 shooters suggesting a large distance between them. Finally he points out that the shooter in the upper floor of the hotel would have to be right against the window in order to be able to fire at that downward angle, which should make him visible to the target crowd - basically that he couldn’t shoot from deep inside the room if he was at that elevation and therefore couldn’t conceal himself that way.

It’s all just suppositions of course but it was an interesting breakdown.

Actually, what's not supposition is the fact that you can distinctly hear two different assault weapons going off simultaneously.

Yes, he replays many times where you can hear the short bursts happening while the more distant extended machine gun sound is heard.

What is most scary for me is the very close machine gun firing. Sounds almost like it is on the grounds of the concert. Maybe he is hiding or obscured by one of the many floodlights that got turned on when the shooting first started. The close machine gun placement tells me that they wanted as many casualties as possible. That and the floodlighting of the area to illuminate the targets.

 

[Niall]

In the beginning of this video, the commentator shows a close-up of the Mandalay Hotel and what looks like gunfire coming from the 4th floor. He repeats the video segment about 8 times. Then, if you skip to 15:35 - it shows a CBS news broadcast clip (from the Monday before) ISIS threat to Las Vegas.

Multiple Shooters In Las Vegas! Paddock a Patsy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu9Z_KzcS3s (21:55 min.)

We caught the '4th floor gunfire' earlier on in this thread. It's not clear that that's a source of gunfire. Could be strobe decoy to confuse spotters.

Actually, a brief snippet of police scanner audio in this WaPo 'summary' has an officer excitedly report: "I see the shots coming from halfway up Mandalay Bay. Halfway up Mandalay Bay." So he could be referring to the source of 'strobe', or another floor/room altogether.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Here is some analysis of how many were either injured or killed (573) and how long the shooting went on for (4.5 minutes) and how unlikely that is for one person:

_https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/03/more-than-one-vegas-shooter-the-evidence-builds/

Lone shooter? Really? And this is supposed to be more than a convenient fantasy?

Yesterday, I did a brief analysis of the number of people killed and wounded at the Vegas Concert (573) in roughly four and half minutes, which is the police estimate of the duration of the attack.

The lone shooter killed or wounded 2.1 persons per second. It is HIGHLY doubtful Paddock could have done that. His distance from the concert, his lack of professional skill, his state of mind, among other factors, rule against it.

Any competent and honest law-enforcement analyst would see a huge red flag right away.

But of course, multiple shooters destroys the official narrative and opens the door to an investigation that could expose, for example, an intentional false flag operation.

Here is a piece of Jeff Rense’s analysis of rate-of-fire vs. people struck by bullets. It cuts to the core of the absurd lone shooter assumption:

“…a potential MAXIMUM of only 360 rounds could be fired at full auto burst with NO magazine changes in the approximate four minutes or 240 seconds of the shooting!”

“So, Paddock didn’t fire 360 rounds in 240 seconds because he had to stop and change magazines…probably 30 round mags. That would be THIRTEEN magazine changes in the 240 seconds. And it is reported he fired from both broken out windows in the room/s.”

“Survivors state there were shooting pauses and that is when they would run.”

“Let’s say Paddock managed to get off an amazing 300 rounds in 4 minutes (or 240 seconds) and hit someone with EVERY ROUND.”

“Remember, there were 573 killed and wounded according to late statistics.”

“WHO, then, fired off the other full-auto 273 rounds also without missing a single shot ?!”

Another man who apparently has significant professional background re weapons has sent me his detailed analysis:

“There is NO WAY in hell that this inexperienced guy was able to hit 500+ people, at a down sloping range of approximately 250-350 yards using a make-shift weapon modified to shot automatically. Here are some reasons why and you can check with other experts to verify my points.”

“1. It was dark and no matter how well lit, there are many shadows to hide in.

2. Simple a ‘sear’ (pronounced see-er) modification would have only permitted one entire magazine to shoot all at once with no select fire (being able to start and stop).

3. There are some devices (like AutoGlove and Bump Fire) that can simulate full automatic fire, but they cannot be used accurately or effectively.

4. Even if the shooter was able to somehow obtain a full normal functioning automatic rifle, anyone with military experience can tell you that the rifles are difficult to control when firing more than 3 round bursts – especially a .308 or AK47 type. This is because the rifle will uncontrollably rise if automatic fire is constant.

5. After the first 15 or so seconds, the crowd scattered and took cover.

6. I don’t have a count of how many pieces of empty brass (fired rounds) they have recovered, but knowing how many shots were fired compared to how many people were hit will tell you the hit ratio. If this guy did this in 20 seconds, we needed him desperately in Afghanistan!

7. To fire 500 aimed shoots and swap out magazines would have taken him about 15-20 minutes, and there is no way that each shot would have hit someone – more than likely would have missed.”

“To put in perspective…. Say a guy purchases an expensive bolt action rifle in .308 with a nice expensive scope. Without experience, someone would have to mount the scope for him and do a rough sighting in with a laser. This individual then takes this rifle to a range in broad daylight with no stress and using a bench rest and breathing techniques and all the time in the world and fires at a target 300 yards. It is possible, but doubtful if that person could hit a large refrigerator at that range UNLESS they had LOTS OF PRACTICE and EXPERIENCE. For every 1 minute (1/60th of a degree) of angle change at the rifle, the bullet would vary by 3 inches at 300 yards. For this untrained guy to be wildly shooting with a high heart rate at nighttime? Well, bullets would be going everywhere!”

I fully understand that the estimates of 573 killed and wounded, and the police statement that all the shooting took place in four and half minutes, may be off. These figures may not be precise.

Nevertheless, they are a good and proper starting point. And even allowing for later adjustments, the evidence for multiple shooters and against a lone amateur like Paddock is stunning.

So why won’t law-enforcement take notice?

Because, in certain cases with great consequences, the overall agenda and the direction of an investigation are set from offices far higher than the positions of the actual detectives and agents on the scene.

“This is what we want to know. Only this. Everything else is off limits.”

Anyone got the latest numbers for shooting duration and total injured/killed? I have heard 10 minutes. This would mean roughly 1 direct hit per second to get 573 people. If we look at rate of fire heard in the videos, plus the pauses, and ignore multiple shooters, does it make sense in terms of accuracy needed to get 573 people in 4.5 or even 10 minutes? And what level of training would this require?

At the moment it sounds about 8-10 rounds per second with 6 second long bursts before pausing, just eyeballing it. Gonna go through all the videos and see if there is a pattern, tho tricky to separate the multiple shooters.

 

[hlat]

When I see the photograph of the broken windows, what comes to mind is that there are several rooms between the broken windows instead of that is one large room. If that is one room, that looks like a really big room.

The stage lighting went out right after the singer turned heel and ran, then powerful floodlights immediately lit up the audience. Standard protocol?

My memory of the shows and concerts I've been to is, when the show is over, the stage lights go off and the audience lights go on. Of course, someone has to push a button to make that happen.

 

[herondancer]

Here's some 8 mins of police scanner audio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTgqYkok9fY

At 1:15, "...strobe light coming from Mandalay on the east side."

At 2:15, "...It sounds like it's confirmed; there are at least two shooters with fully automatic weapons."

Here's a longer version of the police scanner, though the poster says he has "condensed the original audio, weeding out all the dead space and deleting the unnecessary noise, highlighting only the pertinent information. " He links to the uncut audio here.

https://youtu.be/UwD2pypWu-E?rel=0

The two windows do belong to one suite. If Paddock was a highroller, he would have no problem booking such an expensive room. The Daily Mail has a photo that I can't get to embed:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/03/09/44FB80DB00000578-0-image-a-6_1507018449703.jpg

 

[The Mechanic]

Here's a firefighter who was at the scene who says (at 15:05) about the gunfire "I could've sworn it was coming closer".

https://youtu.be/GhXjCVw0C70?t=761

 

[Josi]

George Webb has a few thoughts on the Vegas shooting:

https://youtu.be/4EJBSkawF5M

 

[angelburst29]

In the beginning of this video, the commentator shows a close-up of the Mandalay Hotel and what looks like gunfire coming from the 4th floor. He repeats the video segment about 8 times. Then, if you skip to 15:35 - it shows a CBS news broadcast clip (from the Monday before) ISIS threat to Las Vegas.

Multiple Shooters In Las Vegas! Paddock a Patsy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu9Z_KzcS3s (21:55 min.)

We caught the '4th floor gunfire' earlier on in this thread. It's not clear that that's a source of gunfire. Could be strobe decoy to confuse spotters.

Actually, a brief snippet of police scanner audio in this WaPo 'summary' has an officer excitedly report: "I see the shots coming from halfway up Mandalay Bay. Halfway up Mandalay Bay." So he could be referring to the source of 'strobe', or another floor/room altogether.

I found this audio to be clearer than many of the clips Posted. At the 3:48 mark - it's stated "shots coming from Gate 7".

Mandalay bay Las Vegas FULL AUDIO POLICE scanner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5HsphmYo78 (1:27:03 min.)

 

[Corvus]

I think video in a SAO post is good analysis, and implies minimal of 2-3 shooters, but as someone posted earlier they went for numbers and by that SHOCK, and what better way then using LMG on such a dense crowd, but it seems they knew they can get away given that majority will follow official narrative.

Just want to add there could have been even more shooters-snipers, because it was said in one post most hits were in the head and upper body, and automatic fire is not precise, ok someone real good at closer range could do it but it would have to be real close, and there were and short bursts heard from assault rifle, also hard to make a precise shoot from distance, yes there could been some lucky shoots, but using a carbine like AR 15 with subsonic ammo(operates below speed of sound) with suppressor won t be practically heard at mentioned distance of 400 m, that is close to medium range. For example:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-HKnCeX3o

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YNOdrQs6PUQ

 

[domi]

Just noticed in a can article with some pictures of the room posted that this guy had some dual stack magazines (one in rifle and it seems more on the ground) (article: _http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation/index.html)

Those seem to come in a 60 and 100 round variety from what I could find.

Edit: for clarification I must add the universal mag for AR15 is 30 rounds single-stack

 

[hlat]

The two windows do belong to one suite. If Paddock was a highroller, he would have no problem booking such an expensive room.

That would be one reason to use Paddock as a patsy. His high roller status would be cover for use of the big room.

I've seen comments on different sites asking how could one person get 10 rifles past security into the room. The simple answer is there was basically no security at Vegas casinos. No check points or metal detectors. The casinos wanted to make people getting in as easy as possible. People were constantly walking through with large luggage.

 

[angelburst29]

As the death toll from Sunday's Las Vegas shooting continues to climb, confusion and outrage are growing online after Facebook, Google and YouTube were caught promoting fake news stories about the shooter's supposed identity and political affiliations.

Caught Red-Handed! Facebook, Google Run Fake News on Las Vegas Shooter (Tweets)
https://sputniknews.com/viral/201710031057912410-google-facebook-youtube-vegas-fake-news/

Before 64-year-old retiree Stephen Paddock was identified as the suspect who killed 59 and maimed 527 others in Las Vegas Sunday night, rumors fueled by trolling site 4Chan emerged misidentifying the shooter as a Facebook user named Geary Danley. Google, YouTube and Facebook helped to spread the rumors, particularly after 4Chan claimed that Danley was an anti-Trump liberal and registered Democrat.

Concerned users published screenshots from Google showing the search engine's 'Top stories' including 4Chan articles on the night of the shooting. The claim that Danley was the killer also spread on Facebook itself, its 'Safety Check' page, meant to filter unproven claims and non-credible sources, promoting a story claiming that the shooter had 'Trump-hating' views.

Other viral Facebook fake news posts continued the trend, some purporting that the shooter was a member of militant self-styled anti-fascist group Antifa. Another claim, suggesting that a man and woman were escorted away by security after threatening people that they would be killed just before the shooting, also went viral, appearing in at least one major tabloid.

On the other side of the political spectrum, conservatives accused leftists of spreading rumors that Paddock had right-wing affiliations, with Twitter users calling a presumed fake Stephen Paddock Twitter account a "leftist deception operation." That trolling operation, if real, proved to be far less successful than the claims that the shooter was a leftist.

Other rumors were also spread, one claiming that Paddock had converted to Islam. That claim was picked up and spread by at least one UK politician. The FBI said there was no evidence behind that claim. Others still insisted that the shooting was a 'deep state hit,' with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his supporters picking up on that narrative.

Others inexplicably spread false claims on Twitter and Facebook about missing friends and relatives, many of which turned out to be fake. Some even made a sick joke out of it, posting a picture of porn star Johnny Sins as one of the missing persons.

Soon after the shooting, video sharing site YouTube was flooded with clips suggesting that Stephen Paddock had been spotted at anti-Trump rallies, leading to complaints that it too was part of the misinformation machine surrounding the Las Vegas massacre.

Google was forced to apologize for the flawed algorithm which allowed 4Chan articles to replace relevant results in its searches. Facebook also released a statement, but stopped short of apologizing, explaining instead that the false reports' were flagged for removal, but that this process was temporarily delayed.

According to his brother Eric, Stephen Paddock had no known political affiliations to speak of. The 64-year-old retired accountant was an affluent, twice-divorced property owner who enjoyed flying, gambling, concerts, cruises and hunting. He made no effort to clarify his motives before his attack Sunday night.

Amid the political infighting, social media users fed up with the bickering urged their fellow countrymen to stop the partisan name-calling, adding that Paddock's actions, not his political affiliations, were what made the attack so heinous.

Others simply questioned the senselessness of the attack, and urged Americans to try to understand what happened before making a political judgment.

Fake News a Growing Problem

According to Cairns, the problem for companies like Facebook and Google, notwithstanding any anti-fake news algorithms they might have, is that "they're trying to police every single post that goes out," which is "quite difficult." The issue, she said, is that "algorithms can't detect every single post that goes out."

This is a serious problem, Cairns noted, and tech companies must do more to monitor questionable content. "They need to make [an effort] to monitor things more intensely, because these fake stories end up becoming THE news, and we're focusing more on fake news than we are the real news."

Ultimately, Cairns argued that it all comes down to education. "We need to be educating people that not everything they see online is true. And we need to be educating where we find our research, so people stop sharing fake news," thereby preventing trolls from getting the exposure they're looking for.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Just to catalog, found this, could be completely made up, could be more:

_https://i.redd.it/z7ma82sfxopz.png
_http://reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/743wq1/las_vegas_pd_leaker_his_story_fits_exactly_with/

Basically a supposed Vegas PD leaker claiming Paddock was working for FBI smuggling weapons to Isis, and they found out his identity a few days before the transaction and this is some kind of consequence. Story is really weird and unverifiable but posting here in case it somehow ends up being relevant as more data comes in. It would explain some things like why there were 23 guns in the room, why the Vegas PD leaked the photos of crime scene, etc. But who knows!

 

[NormaRegula]

From 4chan regarding Stephen Paddock's girlfriend who the news is saying has just arrived under FBI escort from the Philippines:

"Marilou Danley" immigrated to the US under the name "Marilou Ocampo Natividad" in 1986, married Geary Danley in 1990 and took his surname."

"Prior to immigrating, Marilou was a known Muay Thai and Eskrina fighter under the alias "Marilou Ocampo", and became politically active in the late 1970s. As an elected local official in the mid 1980s, she became embroiled in the controversy over American Development Aid covertly provided by the CIA to promote pro-American sentiment during the lead up to and in the wake of President Marcos resignation."

Not sure how reliable this info is, but 4Chan is known to have some pretty good sleuths amongst its members as well as hoaxers. If true, Danley's CIA connections will probably be ignored by the MSM.