Terror in Las Vegas: Mass shooting at Route91 Harvest music festival

[Niall]

I'd say we'd have to look at a couple possibilities: 1) second shooter, 2) same shooter, but from a slightly different shooting position, e.g. further back in the room, away from the window, or through a different window.

And in 1), the other shooter(s) could be firing from different buildings. Of the 4 hotels looking out onto the Village concert venue, the Luxor (pyramid) has the best vantage point. According to police scanner audio, that hotel was evacuated due to a bomb alert called in at the time of the shooting. The Tropicana hotel was also on lock-down, in that case due to an 'active shooter', also reported on police scanner audio. In fact, active shooters were reported at four hotels other than the Mandalay.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

This guy, who has experience with guns, does a detailed analysis of one of the videos (not the taxi video) which suggests multiple shooters. The video he looks at is on the ground at the concert where you can hear sharp bursts of fire and more muted prolonged fire.

https://youtu.be/nG2oQ65zi-Q

He points out that the spotlights illuminating the crowd weren’t on until after the shooting started. He compares against multiple videos of people shooting automatic weapons and explains why he thinks at least one of the shooters was using a belt-fed weapon. He also mentions that a suppressor was probably used by the shooter who was close to the crowd, and the purpose of a suppressor (not a silencer) is to make it hard to identify the location of the shots. He also points out the distinct difference in sound between the 2 shooters suggesting a large distance between them. Finally he points out that the shooter in the upper floor of the hotel would have to be right against the window in order to be able to fire at that downward angle, which should make him visible to the target crowd - basically that he couldn’t shoot from deep inside the room if he was at that elevation and therefore couldn’t conceal himself that way.

It’s all just suppositions of course but it was an interesting breakdown.

 

[Horseofadifferentcolor]

Is it possible that the "strobe light" on the 4th floor is a S.O.S. type signal for coordinated fire from possible different locations? Do any of the videos show that light before the shooting?

 

[Ca.]

Here's some 8 mins of police scanner audio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTgqYkok9fY

At 1:15, "...strobe light coming from Mandalay on the east side."

At 2:15, "...It sounds like it's confirmed; there are at least two shooters with fully automatic weapons."

Me thinks that the preps would have wanted to maintain a level of invisibility. Including certain signatures that expose their placement or position.

Obviously light's from the hotel could have been a distraction, as the shooting pandemonium seemed to be orchestrated near ground level.

Why a flash suppressor is useful

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Flash suppressor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_suppressor

Detail of the birdcage-type flash suppressor on a SIG SG 550

Compensator Vs Flash Hider
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[Niall]

This guy, who has experience with guns, does a detailed analysis of one of the videos (not the taxi video) which suggests multiple shooters. The video he looks at is on the ground at the concert where you can hear sharp bursts of fire and more muted prolonged fire.

https://youtu.be/nG2oQ65zi-Q

Interesting. So there's no need for silent snipers; short bursts from close-range rifles can be heard while machine guns spray the target area from further afield.

What he pointed out about the lights struck me too. The stage lighting went out right after the singer turned heel and ran, then powerful floodlights immediately lit up the audience. Standard protocol? That crowd was figuratively lit up for the duration that it was literally lit up.

 

[Cyre2067]

This guy, who has experience with guns, does a detailed analysis of one of the videos (not the taxi video) which suggests multiple shooters. The video he looks at is on the ground at the concert where you can hear sharp bursts of fire and more muted prolonged fire.

https://youtu.be/nG2oQ65zi-Q

He points out that the spotlights illuminating the crowd weren’t on until after the shooting started. He compares against multiple videos of people shooting automatic weapons and explains why he thinks at least one of the shooters was using a belt-fed weapon. He also mentions that a suppressor was probably used by the shooter who was close to the crowd, and the purpose of a suppressor (not a silencer) is to make it hard to identify the location of the shots. He also points out the distinct difference in sound between the 2 shooters suggesting a large distance between them. Finally he points out that the shooter in the upper floor of the hotel would have to be right against the window in order to be able to fire at that downward angle, which should make him visible to the target crowd - basically that he couldn’t shoot from deep inside the room if he was at that elevation and therefore couldn’t conceal himself that way.

It’s all just suppositions of course but it was an interesting breakdown.

His analysis seems spot to me. It's obvious when you listen to the guns in context of hearing them at a range. It sounds like they used a pair of m249s to mow the crowd while there were more shooters with suppressors plinking people at a closer range.

Then there's also the fact that they were lit up like a friggin xmas tree...

I'd recommend listening to the whole 30 mins.

 

[goyacobol]

I bet the number of victims will reach 666 in the next few day
''they'' love their number games

It's not unimaginable to think there are psychopaths with a religious fervor meticulously continuing their sacrifices and what better symbols to stage one than right in front of the Luxor with the festival at feet of the sphinx.

Just couldn't help notice the location of the murderous sacrifice I guess. :/ No offense to the post-atlantean great pyramid and the sphinx.

 

[domi]

This image is going around right now as a picture from a source taken in the hotel room

Looks like a slide fire stock on that AR15 without the bipod.

It seems other folks have noticed the same thing judging from a search I just did.

 

[Ca.]

I bet the number of victims will reach 666 in the next few day
''they'' love their number games

It's not unimaginable to think there are psychopaths with a religious fervor meticulously continuing their sacrifices and what better symbols to stage one than right in front of the Luxor with the festival at feet of the sphinx.

Just couldn't help notice the location of the murderous sacrifice I guess. :/ No offense to the post-atlantean great pyramid and the sphinx.

One of the main stays was the accuracy of the perps and the targets that were hit. Lots of lethal upper body and head shots. I expect that the body count will rise as well.

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[angelburst29]

In the beginning of this video, the commentator shows a close-up of the Mandalay Hotel and what looks like gunfire coming from the 4th floor. He repeats the video segment about 8 times. Then, if you skip to 15:35 - it shows a CBS news broadcast clip (from the Monday before) ISIS threat to Las Vegas.

Multiple Shooters In Las Vegas! Paddock a Patsy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu9Z_KzcS3s (21:55 min.)

 

[Niall]

In the beginning of this video, the commentator shows a close-up of the Mandalay Hotel and what looks like gunfire coming from the 4th floor. He repeats the video segment about 8 times. Then, if you skip to 15:35 - it shows a CBS news broadcast clip (from the Monday before) ISIS threat to Las Vegas.

Multiple Shooters In Las Vegas! Paddock a Patsy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu9Z_KzcS3s (21:55 min.)

We caught the '4th floor gunfire' earlier on in this thread. It's not clear that that's a source of gunfire. Could be strobe decoy to confuse spotters.

 

[domi]

One of the main stays was the accuracy of the perps and the targets that were hit. Lots of lethal upper body and head shots. I expect that the body count will rise as well.

But if somebody is shooting from a height at people that are at a concert, that's where bullets are going to hit. No surprise there.
Wind drift, bullet drop and the barrel heating up coupled with a bump fire stock make accuracy irrelevant.

 

[SocietyoftheSpectacle]

Boris Jonson was recently in Burma,

At one point , 3 days ago he recited a part of the old Kipling Poem.

The Road to mandelay,
( wasnt Paddocks Girlfriend Asian ? )
By the old Moulmein Pagoda
Lookin' eastward to the sea
There's a Burma broad a-settin'
And I know she thinks of me...

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[goyacobol]

In the beginning of this video, the commentator shows a close-up of the Mandalay Hotel and what looks like gunfire coming from the 4th floor. He repeats the video segment about 8 times. Then, if you skip to 15:35 - it shows a CBS news broadcast clip (from the Monday before) ISIS threat to Las Vegas.

Multiple Shooters In Las Vegas! Paddock a Patsy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu9Z_KzcS3s (21:55 min.)

There is the strobe light speculation which may or may not be true. And I most certainly think there was more than one shooter and I also think the 32nd floor location may not be the real one.

But this video and others are sort of speculative at this point. It would certainly be interesting if Paddock was a Hilary fan. The girlfriend doesn't look very Asian to me in the video.

This doesn't look like the woman in the video I don't think.

I have trouble with the 4th floor theory since the hotel doesn't have opening windows as far as I can see and there would be a few holes to cover-up if they did shoot from there.

 

[Ca.]

One of the main stays was the accuracy of the perps and the targets that were hit. Lots of lethal upper body and head shots. I expect that the body count will rise as well.

But if somebody is shooting from a height at people that are at a concert, that's where bullets are going to hit. No surprise there.
Wind drift, bullet drop and the barrel heating up coupled with a bump fire stock make accuracy irrelevant.

Oh but i must say that "they" intend for a kill count. There was lot of planning involved and its very possible with the use of A.I. intelligence technology.

Remember from what i understand Jade Helem is still operational and they are taking notes. I say they probably blew it a little. You know wishful thinking tends to be the Achilles Heel as we all know of the psychotic 2-3dsts and there 4D handlers.

Still a lot of critical trauma patients. And sorry to say those that are still living are injured badly. That kind of ammo take no prisoners.

But will agree that anyone can spray a line of fire with a sweep and get a couple of good head shots. But they want the carnage, but with a ratio.