Terror in Las Vegas: Mass shooting at Route91 Harvest music festival

Niall said:
This video appears to show the weapon being fired from a far lower floor than officially claimed.

This 'muzzle flash' on a lower floor, towards the center of the hotel, pops up on other footage. Police scanner has a cop suggest it's a 'strobe' light, which seems more likely given that it's out of synch with the sound of gunfire in all footage of it.

Here are all the 'strobe' vids I've collected so far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bPwXdUFCxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1helSmJPILc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oam54y4o6RU

Of course, if that wasn't muzzle flash caused by Paddock unloading a powerful gun, it still begs the question: why is a strobe flashing out the window of a room/suite (presumably) that is far from the shooter's suite?
 
Here's some 8 mins of police scanner audio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTgqYkok9fY

At 1:15, "...strobe light coming from Mandalay on the east side."

At 2:15, "...It sounds like it's confirmed; there are at least two shooters with fully automatic weapons."
 
Niall said:
Niall said:
This video appears to show the weapon being fired from a far lower floor than officially claimed.

This 'muzzle flash' on a lower floor, towards the center of the hotel, pops up on other footage. Police scanner has a cop suggest it's a 'strobe' light, which seems more likely given that it's out of synch with the sound of gunfire in all footage of it.

Here are all the 'strobe' vids I've collected so far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bPwXdUFCxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1helSmJPILc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oam54y4o6RU

Of course, if that wasn't muzzle flash caused by Paddock unloading a powerful gun, it still begs the question: why is a strobe flashing out the window of a room/suite (presumably) that is far from the shooter's suite?

Video of the same strobe from later on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kCTt2NAuhA&feature=youtu.be

Yeah interesting though right? A small strobe that looks like gunfire, flashing out of the same building at that exact time.
 
hiker said:

I'm surprised by the long pauses between the bursts. And at the beginning of the recording it does sound like at least two different weapons being fired almost simultaneously. However, it could be caused by the sound echoing between the buildings. Listening to that gun fire - man, that's a LOT of bullets being fired! :scared:
 
This morning I read a news where the brother of guessed shooter, Erick Paddock, said that his brother worked in the 80s for Lockheed Martin. That sounds odd because this company was created in 1995 (fussion of Lockheed Corporation and Martin Marietta). Anyway, considering that these companies have a strong connection with the U. S. military-industrial corporation I think that maybe this info could have some relevance.

https://mundo.sputniknews.com/america_del_norte/201710031072835055-vegas-multimillonario-paddock/ (in spanish)
 
hiker said:

That's the single best video evidence for multiple shooters I've seen, filmed by a taxi driver who drove from the Mandalay to the concert venue during the shooting.

While she's stuck at the entrance/taxi ramp at the beginning of that video, you can clearly hear that gunfire is coming from at least two different locations; one that is close (above her head, presumably, from inside the Mandalay) and one or more from elsewhere, further away.
 
Niall said:
That's the single best video evidence for multiple shooters I've seen, filmed by a taxi driver who drove from the Mandalay to the concert venue during the shooting.

While she's stuck at the entrance/taxi ramp at the beginning of that video, you can clearly hear that gunfire is coming from at least two different locations; one that is close (above her head, presumably, from inside the Mandalay) and one or more from elsewhere, further away.

I haven't studied this extensively but it's in an empty city street at night, with nobody around, and lots of tall buildings to reverberate sound. There is a possibility that it was just echoing.


If I were planning a false flag I would place the other shooters in a different location, and at least give them silenced rifles. But I suppose that is a moot point as they are always very brazen and obtuse in their false flag planning, and they regularly go far into the unbelievable as passports on 9/11, magic bullets, simultaneous terror drills etc., because they know people will believe it no matter what.
 
Carl said:
Niall said:
That's the single best video evidence for multiple shooters I've seen, filmed by a taxi driver who drove from the Mandalay to the concert venue during the shooting.

While she's stuck at the entrance/taxi ramp at the beginning of that video, you can clearly hear that gunfire is coming from at least two different locations; one that is close (above her head, presumably, from inside the Mandalay) and one or more from elsewhere, further away.

I haven't studied this extensively but it's in an empty city street at night, with nobody around, and lots of tall buildings to reverberate sound. There is a possibility that it was just echoing.

I don't think that's likely because the buildings are so far apart. It's not very good acoustics.

I didn't listen to the whole video, but just from the beginning it's clear that there were guns going off in at least two different locations. There is the far off gunfire, and the fire going off right above the taxi's head. If the distant gunfire was just an echo, then it should always follow after the firing from above her head and each 'reverberation' should be of a diminished volume. However, this is not the case. There is distant fire independent of the firing above her head that is not of a diminished volume, meaning that the source is in that area and it is not an echo. So the only logical conclusion is that there are, at least, two shooters. OSIT.
 
That taxi driver's video should make it impossible for the Las Vegas authorities to continue claiming that this attack was simply some "deranged lone gunman" shooting from just one room of a hotel. The audio is clearly the sound of fully automatic fire coming from multiple weapons, shooting from different locations in the video. One of the weapons sounds like a .223 caliber military rifle or light machine gun, and another sounds like a .308 caliber light machine gun. The two weapons types have different rates of fire and characteristic sounds.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of 'limited hangout' they fall back onto, and what they say about the foreknowledge revealed by the woman trying to warn the festival attendees.

With a little luck this could blow up in their faces.
 
Timótheos said:
#3) The weapon you hear on videos was FULL AUTO, which is almost impossible to acquire through legal means

Doesn't sound like full auto to me (too slow). More like a bump fire stock or binary trigger of some sort.
 
Niall said:
hiker said:

That's the single best video evidence for multiple shooters I've seen, filmed by a taxi driver who drove from the Mandalay to the concert venue during the shooting.

While she's stuck at the entrance/taxi ramp at the beginning of that video, you can clearly hear that gunfire is coming from at least two different locations; one that is close (above her head, presumably, from inside the Mandalay) and one or more from elsewhere, further away.

The most important bits of the video are in the first 70 seconds or so. At 1:12.5 there is a long string of loud shots, but they are significantly muted part way through as the cabbie enters a tunnel and shuts her window. At that point, the quieter/muted shots are no longer audible. So, looking at the 70 seconds before that, there are three strings of gunshots. I opened the audio up in audacity, slowed it down and took a listen. Here's what I noticed.

0:04.2 - There is a loud string of 8 shots. After a 2.07-second delay, we hear another 8 shots that sound more distant.

0:46.1 - Here we hear a string of 2+11 muffled shots (also a few muffled bursts around 0:52 while she is talking). No loud shots.

1:08.1 - Another loud string of 13 shots followed by a string of muffled shots. Some are barely audible. In the string of 13 shots, the 10th makes the loudest spike. The loudest spike in the muffled shots occurs 2.08 seconds after the 10th shot.

I think it's more likely that the muffled shots heard after the loud shots at 0:04 and 1:08 are echoes. Unless the second shooter almost perfectly mimicked the original shots in number and duration, with a near-identical delay each time.

That leaves the shots at 0:46. They sound similar to the echoes in the other two sections, but there are no audible louder shots. Without knowing more about gunfire and acoustics, I'd say we'd have to look at a couple possibilities: 1) second shooter, 2) same shooter, but from a slightly different shooting position, e.g. further back in the room, away from the window, or through a different window.
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Perhaps the two broken windows visible in later photos has something to do with it. They face in different directions. The cabbie's location relative to both windows might have affected how the sound from either window reached her mic. However, we don't know if Paddock shot out both those windows, or if one was smashed during the police operation on that floor.
 
Niall said:
Puck said:
Has to have been at least two shooters. Can hear the distance between their positions in this video:

https://www.facebook.com/cori.langdon/videos/10212157422804893/

She also comments on how calm everyone is even though there's AR fire and shows some folks just milling about at the entrance to the hotel like it's a nice night out. That stood out.

FB censored that one. Could you find it for us on YT?

Here it is.

_https://youtu.be/VO92rCrP8hQ
 
Carl said:
I haven't studied this extensively but it's in an empty city street at night, with nobody around, and lots of tall buildings to reverberate sound. There is a possibility that it was just echoing.

I doubt it. For one, there aren't that many tall buildings around:

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In the video, compare the bursts of gunfire at 0:46-0:47, and then 1:09-1:10. There are about 30 secs between the bursts. The taxi driver has hardly moved but they sound completely different. The first is dull, suggesting 'distant'. The second is sharp, suggesting 'close'. Besides, if we were hearing echoes, the first burst would surely be loudest, and the second 'echo' quieter.
 
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