The Authoritarian Test

This is between me and bud...

No English is not my native language.

And I actually like bud, I think he is a stand up guy who has offered more than I could ask for from anyone.
 
Jerry said:
[quote author=luke]it's not like a criticism or anything like that

It certainly reads that way. What’s up?

everything comes down to either a computer/neurobiology reference for the most part

I’ve been reading Bud’s posts regarding various topics now for a few years, and this generalization isn’t true. What’s up?[/quote]

Are you sure about this, Jerry? This tendency to use advanced computer/neurobiology terminology by Bud instead of simple, easy to understand language has been pointed out frequently.

Jerry said:
How did you get this way bud? I doubt you grew up communicating on such a highly refined intellectual level but then I suppose you could have been a child genius.. Was it university or your job?

??!!

For an exercise, try to put yourself in the shoes of the many non English speaking people of this forum who take the time to understand what’s written here. English is your native language isn’t it? Bud’s last post offers something and a dictionary can facilitate comprehension, but cursory reading as in a chat room makes that annoying, doesn’t it?

Just asking

You don’t come across as sincere by saying this, luke.

Jerry, there is a bit of angry intensity coming across in your post. For example the "??!!" Why is that, do you think? Also, if you have been following the forum and Luke's posts you would know that actually English is not strictly speaking his native language.
 
luke wilson said:
This is between me and bud...

Luke, I think you know that on the forum nothing is just between two people. By posting here we are all implicitly asking for feedback from everyone.
 
Mr. Premise said:
luke wilson said:
This is between me and bud...

Luke, I think you know that on the forum nothing is just between two people. By posting here we are all implicitly asking for feedback from everyone.

Yes. I had an intense physiological reaction during my posting after reading the reply. I was shaking and actually quite scared. My question to bud was a sincere one, I have no reason to have ulterior motives towards bud but I had the distinct impression that no matter how I reply, I would end up in trouble with the usual accusations.
 
Actually, I think I am posting to much as an explanation of the reaction I have had which has been following me since Nienna replied to me. I will take acouple of days break as an exercise.

I'll return to posting on sunday.

Bud, there is no need to reply to my question.
 
[quote author=Mr. Premise]Jerry, there is a bit of angry intensity coming across in your post. For example the "??!!" Why is that, do you think? Also, if you have been following the forum and Luke's posts you would know that actually English is not strictly speaking his native language.[/quote]

There wasn’t any anger. I used those marks because I was surprised by the excerpt. I apologize that it came across that way. I somehow missed or forgot about luke’s ESL.

Are you sure about this, Jerry? This tendency to use advanced computer/neurobiology terminology by Bud instead of simple, easy to understand language has been pointed out frequently.

Not frequent enough to warrant the generalization imo. I’m aware of the forum‘s said interaction, it seemed like luke’s statement therefore was leading.

Apologies again if this is off topic.
 
Bud said:
luke wilson said:
anart said:
luke wilson said:

luke, what is the point of your response?

Let us just forget about it, my bad for the noise.

Apologies.

So...I'm a bit confused. Did you not experience the answer you asked for? Or would you prefer I constrain further replies to the level of symbolic thought only? Need I remind you how you had a beneficial "imagination-free" moment the day you awoke and "realized the truth..." (your words) that there was nothing at all pushing a certain problem at you? Personally, I believe you're capable of benefiting a lot more than you do considering the amount of energy you put into the network, whatever that may be worth to you. :)

It is my impression Luke's responses are authentic. It is Bud's talent to lead Luke's intellect into a labyrinth(koan) and for a moment Luke was speechless. This is progress and easily missed.

It is one of the great strength's of a network of sincere minds, that we have diverse methods of apprehending and communicating our impressions of reality. Our diversity of impression is a strength. Another value of this particular group is we are expected to error and learn from the sight of our own ignorance. There is no need to fear, defend or apologize an expression of confusion or misapprehension of communication beyond our level.
 
Luke, you're not 'in trouble'. No one is but if you feel you need a couple of days then take as long as you need.

The lack of clarity at times has been pointed out to Bud several times and he's aware of that. That being said, it can take some time for changes to occur with regards to interacting with others. If you can Bud, please try to be a bit more aware of posting more simply so that everyone reading is better able to understand you. :)
 
48
LOL had to breakout a spreadsheet to calculate scores :-[

First run before reading posts 22 + 26 = 48, three 0 and rest where extreme answers -4 & +4
 
luke wilson said:
My reply to you was meant to reverse the impression I got from your reply, confusion.

Well, that was my first impression. Then I second-guessed myself and began to wonder.


luke wilson said:
But I came to understand you were describing the authoritarian follower.

Yep. That's how the post was intended to read. For you, it was offered in no uncertain terms as a potentially "feelable" or demonstrated answer to your question as a way of keeping a prior 'agreement' to either help or reveal my idiocy.
As an aside to that, this topic of the authoritarian/follower dynamic so goes to the core of human 'being' for so many people that it is probably also the single most important lesson for many of us to learn in order to get into some 'doing'.

luke wilson said:
I don't know if you know this, it's not like a criticism or anything like that, but you're very unique in the way you talk/write, everything comes down to either a computer/neurobiology reference for the most part.

A great deal of your mechanic's knowledge and awareness is invested in his understanding of how all the parts of your car work together. As a result, a lot of his metaphors in communication may be related to "a mechanic's understanding". It's not much different for me, I suppose. Having learned what I've learned, all I have to do is "intend meaning" and the linguistics automagically sort themselves into the needed structure. I keep forgetting that I need to re-translate for the benefit of our multi-cultural readership.

luke wilson said:
Definately something that pushes one to really use his mind to understand. How did you get this way bud?

I push myself to really use my mind to try and understand the stuff I feel is too important to leave to chance. I don't want to "believe", I want to know. And of course, I'm still learning.

luke wilson said:
I doubt you grew up communicating on such a highly refined intellectual level...

I grew up mostly upset that most people seemed not to know the real meanings of the words they used or to be interested in refining their consciousness UP the ladder of abstraction while still referring to something in the realm of reality. Idiotic "connotations" usually kept me off balance.

I still have dimwit moments though and I like to play (probably) too much. Just this evening at dinner, I was moved to go into "bobblehead" routine. Every time my wife was about to say something, I would start bobbing my head 'yes' at the very first word. The goal of this game is to keep a straight face until she "catches on". Tonight it took about 5 minutes and when it dawned on her, we both practically fell out of our chairs laughing at each other.

The point is...for me it's easier to learn as long as I don't take myself too seriously, though, for me, it doesn't always come across that way when limited to the written word.

luke wilson said:
but then I suppose you could have been a child genius..

No, just dissatisfied with what I was learning and dissatisfied with my inability to see the sense in things when I relied on others to explain.

luke wilson said:
Was it university or your job? Just asking.

Just me being a product of my life experiences and the will to live and learn, I reckon.

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luke wilson said:
My question to bud was a sincere one...

And I understood it that way.

luke wilson said:
I have no reason to have ulterior motives towards bud but I had the distinct impression that no matter how I reply, I would end up in trouble with the usual accusations.

I know that feeling. Oddly enough, my representation of you that is built on what I've read and understood of your posts, is of a kind of 'twinship', like a twin brother I suppose. I occasionally need to remind myself that I'm being read by many others and not just interacting with kinfolk. :)
 
I got bored half way through and then confused adding up the scores... I did think doing it that alot of the statements seemed quite inconsequential (as just statements).. though certainly had alot of emotional responses..
 
61.

Fascinating thread and quite a good book as well. Can't imagine myself falling out of my chair in laughter after being suckered through 5 minutes of your playful "bobblehead" routine though, Bud. Guess the conclusion I would come to is that your playing with me was more important to you than listening to what I was trying to say for those 5 minutes. So, no, I would not think that was funny and would probably start wondering if you really were the right mate for me and if maybe I was under the spell of some kind of authoritarian/ follower relationship that displayed itself in some form of player/played 'twinship'. But that's all fine and dandy because you can be a 'dimwit' and can't possibly see that the falling-off-the-chair laughter could just be masking that "fear of being rejected or ostracized socially " that you so eloquently and confusedly waxed forth previous. But what do I know? As I'm not "kinfolk", just one of the "many others"?

Luke, I did appreciate your interjection of the Ra material. It gave me much food for thought on this tread, as well as the inter"play" between you and Bud. This is a great living laboratory, is it not? All is lessons. ;)

cheers

David
 
deleven said:
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Can't imagine myself falling out of my chair in laughter after being suckered through 5 minutes of your playful "bobblehead" routine though, Bud. Guess the conclusion I would come to is that your playing with me was more important to you than listening to what I was trying to say for those 5 minutes. So, no, I would not think that was funny and would probably start wondering if you really were the right mate for me and if maybe I was under the spell of some kind of authoritarian/ follower relationship that displayed itself in some form of player/played 'twinship'. But that's all fine and dandy because you can be a 'dimwit' and can't possibly see that the falling-off-the-chair laughter could just be masking that "fear of being rejected or ostracized socially " that you so eloquently and confusedly waxed forth previous. But what do I know? As I'm not "kinfolk", just one of the "many others"?

...

cheers

David

Well David, there's no comparison here between you and I and the way my wife and I know and interact with each other. I think what initially attracted us to each other was that neither of us read into the other what was not there and neither of us were totally absorbed within our own egos.

There's quite a difference between playing the dozens (without the tripping) with someone who's insecure and playing with someone who sees it for what it is: novel ways of using the language to play with ego and have some hearty laughs as result. That wasn't what we were doing exactly, but that's an idea of how we look at things the same way.

In retrospect, I realized it may not sound funny to everyone and maybe not anyone. Guess you had to have been there.
 
This is yet another topic that I somehow managed to misplace. I just rediscovered it, and my score was 36. It's probably not an unusual score for someone coming from the LGBT segment of the population. I am still reading the book.
 
I got 66, but it could easily be twenty points lower or higher. The answers to those questions depend a lot on the interpretation of the various terms used. Funny test though.
 

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