The Following

history said:
There is nothing covert about it. I stated it outright. I have been asked more than once to explain why I like the show and I have stated it as best as I could. I like Purefoy. There is nothing more to it, no hidden really that I am aware of, which of course, I understand that I could have a hidden really and I am just unaware of what it is.

I think you misunderstand, it's not you being covert about the Purefoy thing, but the strange remark above about swamp issues which seems out of place and inconsiderate (that's how I interpret Alana and WK's comments). And of course there is a hidden reality you are unaware of, a major purpose of this forum is trying to become more aware, as the human condition is pretty much blind in terms of awareness. I was perhaps out of place asking you to consider what may lie beyond your watching pleasure; for one there not be much to it and secondly you may not be ready to dive deeper at the moment. I think I pushed where I shouldn't have, apologies.
 
parallel said:
history said:
There is nothing covert about it. I stated it outright. I have been asked more than once to explain why I like the show and I have stated it as best as I could. I like Purefoy. There is nothing more to it, no hidden really that I am aware of, which of course, I understand that I could have a hidden really and I am just unaware of what it is.

I think you misunderstand, it's not you being covert about the Purefoy thing, but the strange remark above about swamp issues which seems out of place and inconsiderate (that's how I interpret Alana and WK's comments). And of course there is a hidden reality you are unaware of, a major purpose of this forum is trying to become more aware, as the human condition is pretty much blind in terms of awareness. I was perhaps out of place asking you to consider what may lie beyond your watching pleasure; for one there not be much to it and secondly you may not be ready to dive deeper at the moment. I think I pushed where I shouldn't have, apologies.

No problem, parrallel. Thanks.

I wasn't trying to be inconsiderate. I was trying to be considerate because I had already mentioned six times that I was watching for Purefoy but obviously I should have remained silent on trying to be externally considerate as to not draw attention to it further. My mistake.

And yes, you are right that for this show/issue/whatever it is, it's really not a big deal to me. I've only been watching it for about three weeks and I'm not even that excited about it even though it seems to have come across that way.

And you are also right that for this kind of issue, I am not ready to delve into it because for now it seems really insignificant to me when there clearly ARE other issues that need my attention. Know what I mean?
 
history said:
And yes, you are right that for this show/issue/whatever it is, it's really not a big deal to me. I've only been watching it for about three weeks and I'm not even that excited about it even though it seems to have come across that way.

Indeed, your writing has indicated that it's a "big deal" to you. It's hard to reconcile that with what you write above, that you aren't as excited/interested in it as you come across. If that's true, then it's almost as if you are arguing for the sake of arguing, trying to "be right" when others point out errors in your thinking. It may be worth examining why you come across that way and why you seem to want to put up a fight whenever anyone point out those errors. I know in reading your responses on this thread you have come across as identified with the way you see this show portraying psychopaths, and from a broader point of view, the relative merits of the show. There were a few times when others wrote their impressions of the show, which were much less enthusiastic than your impressions, and you almost seemed to take offense to those words, as if someone not taking a liking to the show was a swipe against you. That's usually a sign of identification, whether with the show itself or your impressions of it. Instead of using all that energy to defend your views of it, which is what you seem to have done, why not allow others' impressions to stand on their own and take them in without feeling a need to defend your side, which isn't even necessary. Their impressions don't erase yours. It's just a part of the sharing/networking that we do here. To try and fight against that, which is what you seem to be doing here even if you don't feel that way, is to fight against the very nature of this forum. So, again, I'm wondering, why do you feel the need to argue in that way?
 
Heimdallr said:
Indeed, your writing has indicated that it's a "big deal" to you. It's hard to reconcile that with what you write above, that you aren't as excited/interested in it as you come across. If that's true, then it's almost as if you are arguing for the sake of arguing, trying to "be right" when others point out errors in your thinking. It may be worth examining why you come across that way and why you seem to want to put up a fight whenever anyone point out those errors. I know in reading your responses on this thread you have come across as identified with the way you see this show portraying psychopaths, and from a broader point of view, the relative merits of the show. There were a few times when others wrote their impressions of the show, which were much less enthusiastic than your impressions, and you almost seemed to take offense to those words, as if someone not taking a liking to the show was a swipe against you. That's usually a sign of identification, whether with the show itself or your impressions of it. Instead of using all that energy to defend your views of it, which is what you seem to have done, why not allow others' impressions to stand on their own and take them in without feeling a need to defend your side, which isn't even necessary. Their impressions don't erase yours. It's just a part of the sharing/networking that we do here. To try and fight against that, which is what you seem to be doing here even if you don't feel that way, is to fight against the very nature of this forum. So, again, I'm wondering, why do you feel the need to argue in that way?

My only "identification" is with Purefoy. I have said this now seven times. Why isn't that enough?

The only merits I think the show has, other than Purefoy, is what I wrote here:

"I never said the show was going to help anyone except maybe us in knowing/understanding what the general public is watching and enabling us to target our counter message/argument more efficiently. In any public relations campaign I've ever participated in, we always looked to the counter arguments, opposing literature, research, etc., before deciding on our direction."

But to answer you question about putting up a fight, I thought I was just explaining myself but clearly that came across as a fight, which I can now see and which was not my intention. I will pay attention to that.

I have no problem with anyone pointing out errors in my thinking. That is one of the reasons I am here but it is coming to me now, as I type this, that my annoyance, if you will, with this is that I feel like I have repeated myself many times and it just isn't enough and the topic is really not important.

That's it really, at least, for now. I have many other things going on, things I am working on here and beyond, and this is just not a priority and maybe that means I should have not posted about it and kept out the noise. My apology. I'm still learning the rules and enjoying and learning from the process.

Thank you.
 
history said:
I wasn't trying to be inconsiderate. I was trying to be considerate because I had already mentioned six times that I was watching for Purefoy but obviously I should have remained silent on trying to be externally considerate as to not draw attention to it further. My mistake.

I think you need to re-read parallel's words:

parallel said:
I think you misunderstand, it's not you being covert about the Purefoy thing, but the strange remark above about swamp issues which seems out of place and inconsiderate (that's how I interpret Alana and WK's comments)

What Alana and I were pointing out has nothing to do with the show, but with your frequent references to that issue you discussed in the swamp and the other member of this forum involved. Such references are inconsiderate to that other person, see?
 
Windmill knight said:
What Alana and I were pointing out has nothing to do with the show, but with your frequent references to that issue you discussed in the swamp and the other member of this forum involved. Such references are inconsiderate to that other person, see?

Yes, I see. I've acknowledged it. My references have not been "frequent" however, but I shouldn't have written anything at all about it. I heard this loud and clear. Thank you.


After you wrote:

"Hi history,
While watching perhaps you could explore the real reasons for watching, not just the immediate narrative. Sure it could be an infatuation or 'a thing' for Purefoy, but what is that really all about? As others have mentioned this series is following the usual distortions and coolmaking of psychopathic reality that have been happening for a long time. Unless one wanted to do a detailed exposé on how this particular series distorts reality, I personally couldn't see any real reason to follow it other than an excuse for entertainment. But that's just me and I could be wrong, but I am sure that we have strong drives in us to make up stories which support small neuro-chemical holidays."


I wrote:

I will try to be as externally considerate here for reasons that should be clear to those in the Swamp. I have a thing for Purefoy. I watch everything he is in. He's a decent human being from all reports. His politics are good. He's good to his girlfriend, his former partners, his son and small animals. I like him. Although, of course, I realize that I really have no idea what he is like other than what his publicists puts out about him, etc., etc., etc. So in other words, I like his face and I like watching him and that's my excuse.



I thought you intended me to answer you and I didn't want to go on and on about Purefoy, which really is the only reason I am watching that I am aware of, so I tried to put a qualifier in, but clearly this didn't work out and well, here we are.....

:-[
 
history said:
Windmill knight said:
What Alana and I were pointing out has nothing to do with the show, but with your frequent references to that issue you discussed in the swamp and the other member of this forum involved. Such references are inconsiderate to that other person, see?

Yes, I see. I've acknowledged it. My references have not been "frequent" however, but I shouldn't have written anything at all about it. I heard this loud and clear. Thank you.


[...], but clearly this didn't work out and well, here we are.....

Well, this actually brings up some questions that I've had about your behavior here and the only way to find out more is to ask you. So, history, I've been following your posts and a few things confuse me. First off, you first appeared on this forum on August 22nd, 2012 with the forum name "Sunbeam" and were subsequently banned on November 22nd for behavior like this - http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,29730.msg382133.html#msg382133. You came with an obvious agenda and a very bad attitude and went on the attack against this forum and those who run it.

Then you show up again, under a different user name "history" and basically start posting about Starshine without telling anyone who you really are or that you had been previously banned. The moderators could tell from the onset that something odd was going on due to the way you were writing, the "flavor" of your posts, but we waited to see what would develop.

Now, you've put Starshine's dirty laundry on display for everyone and still continue to hang around this forum - one for which you have little true interest, according to your earliest posts here, and I find that curious. Are you here just to stalk Starshine? Are you here because some sincere interest developed for you along the way? Are you here just to try to get reactions from members of this forum or its moderators that you can use later against Starshine or the forum? These are the most obvious of many, many questions regarding your presence here and your motivations that I'd like for you to answer if you can. Just so you know, it's against forum guidelines for a person who has been banned to return under another username. We've allowed you to continue to post to see where you are heading, and it's time to just come out and ask since your posts don't seem to really be heading in any particular direction, other than continuing to refer to Starshine in a negative light and starting rather shallow discussions. Any input from you to clarify your motivations would be really helpful.
 
anart said:
Well, this actually brings up some questions that I've had about your behavior here and the only way to find out more is to ask you. So, history, I've been following your posts and a few things confuse me. First off, you first appeared on this forum on August 22nd, 2012 with the forum name "Sunbeam" and were subsequently banned on November 22nd for behavior like this - http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,29730.msg382133.html#msg382133. You came with an obvious agenda and a very bad attitude and went on the attack against this forum and those who run it.

I am happy to answer your questions and all is related indeed.

I have to say first that I didn't out Starshine. He outed himself in The Swamp after discussing it with me first and you just outed him out in public. That's not on me but let's proceed.

However, I feel this belongs in the Swamp. Can it be moved there, please?
 
history said:
anart said:
Well, this actually brings up some questions that I've had about your behavior here and the only way to find out more is to ask you. So, history, I've been following your posts and a few things confuse me. First off, you first appeared on this forum on August 22nd, 2012 with the forum name "Sunbeam" and were subsequently banned on November 22nd for behavior like this - http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,29730.msg382133.html#msg382133. You came with an obvious agenda and a very bad attitude and went on the attack against this forum and those who run it.

I am happy to answer your questions and all is related indeed.

I have to say first that I didn't out Starshine. He outed himself in The Swamp after discussing it with me first and you just outed him out in public. That's not on me but let's proceed.

However, I feel this belongs in the Swamp. Can it be moved there, please?

I haven't "outed" anyone, actually. I think it's fine for you to answer the questions I've asked here, if you don't mind. There isn't anything overly personal in them, I'm just genuinely curious about your behavior and why you continue to post on this forum. No one knows your real name or anything sensitive and we don't need to discuss anything sensitive, just your motivations. Since you're posting on the public forum, all forum members might be interested in knowing why you're here.
 
anart said:
I haven't "outed" anyone, actually. I think it's fine for you to answer the questions I've asked here, if you don't mind. There isn't anything overly personal in them, I'm just genuinely curious about your behavior and why you continue to post on this forum. No one knows your real name or anything sensitive and we don't need to discuss anything sensitive, just your motivations. Since you're posting on the public forum, all forum members might be interested in knowing why you're here.

It is personal and I'd like to move it or I'm not free to really answer you. Please.
 
anart said:
I haven't "outed" anyone, actually. I think it's fine for you to answer the questions I've asked here, if you don't mind. There isn't anything overly personal in them, I'm just genuinely curious about your behavior and why you continue to post on this forum. No one knows your real name or anything sensitive and we don't need to discuss anything sensitive, just your motivations. Since you're posting on the public forum, all forum members might be interested in knowing why you're here.

Okay, I'll answer you here.

Starshine and I have worked through our stuff and the forum was a huge part of our stuff to begin with and, for reasons known and unknown, it was worked out mostly through here.

There is no stalking necessary. We are good with each other. I am well. Breakthroughs sometimes come quickly.

I have been reading the forum for a year. There have been things I don't like but when I posted in The Swamp it was all completely genuine (except that I didn't want to out anyone so I tried not to) and I was asking for help and I got it and, even though it was harsh in places, I'm very grateful and want to continue to learn and grow. I think you all are very smart and wise. I'm trying to "follow" along. That's it and everything.

Thank you all.
 
You might like the following website for reading more about The Following. The website looks exhaustively at "tropes" as they appear in popular media, including TV shows:

_http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/TheFollowing

I used to follow the TV series La Femme Nikita, about a secretive organization bringing down bad guys. It was a bit silly, but I had a thing for Peta Wilson.
 
history said:
anart said:
I haven't "outed" anyone, actually. I think it's fine for you to answer the questions I've asked here, if you don't mind. There isn't anything overly personal in them, I'm just genuinely curious about your behavior and why you continue to post on this forum. No one knows your real name or anything sensitive and we don't need to discuss anything sensitive, just your motivations. Since you're posting on the public forum, all forum members might be interested in knowing why you're here.

Okay, I'll answer you here.

Starshine and I have worked through our stuff and the forum was a huge part of our stuff to begin with and, for reasons known and unknown, it was worked out mostly through here.

There is no stalking necessary. We are good with each other. I am well. Breakthroughs sometimes come quickly.

Can you possibly explain your posts under username "Sunbeam" and why you were so belligerent? Can you also explain why you thought it was acceptable to return with the username "history" and not explain who you were or why you were here in an upfront manner that would have allowed everyone who gave you input to actually know what was going on? Can you see that not doing so was a complete manipulation on your part?

h said:
I have been reading the forum for a year. There have been things I don't like but when I posted in The Swamp it was all completely genuine (except that I didn't want to out anyone so I tried not to) and I was asking for help and I got it and, even though it was harsh in places, I'm very grateful and want to continue to learn and grow. I think you all are very smart and wise. I'm trying to "follow" along. That's it and everything.

Thank you all.

So, you've been reading the forum for a year, yet you still exhibited the attitude you exhibited as "Sunbeam" and then circumvented a ban to post as a new user without being honest about who you were in order to call out Starshine on the forum that he frequents. Can you see the issues with that? I think it's vitally important that you at least try to see yourself from others vantage since you seem to be oblivious to the manipulations involved in your behavior here - hopefully you're not actually oblivious to them, but are merely not expressing yourself well?
 
History, I wanted to ask you yesterday in the swamp this question, I even wrote it, but somehow I changed my mind and I didn't post it and now I see that Anart has questions for you, so I will just add one more question that I wanted to ask you yesterday:

Are you on this forum because you want to Work on yourself or are you here because Starshine is here and you don't want to let him go because you are obsessed with him?

Starshine and I have worked through our stuff and the forum was a huge part of our stuff to begin with and, for reasons known and unknown, it was worked out mostly through here.

There is no stalking necessary. We are good with each other. I am well. Breakthroughs sometimes come quickly.

Well, this looks like lying if you read the first quote, but, of course, maybe I'm completely wrong.
 
grini said:
History, I wanted to ask you yesterday in the swamp this question, I even wrote it, but somehow I changed my mind and I didn't post it and now I see that Anart has questions for you, so I will just add one more question that I wanted to ask you yesterday:

Are you on this forum because you want to Work on yourself or are you here because Starshine is here and you don't want to let him go because you are obsessed with him?

To me, this looks like you want to get some reaction from Starshine, you want to provoke him.

I answered 7 times why I was really watching the show. I felt I had answered it sufficiently long before I mentioned being externally considerate but it wasn't enough for whatever reason, so I went into a little more detail because I felt pushed but I tried to say I knew it wasn't nice to do so because I knew I wouldn't like it if he did it to me- meaning go on and on about some movie star 7 times.

I asked if anyone was following The Following because I was curious because the show seemed relevant to what is discussed here. Yes, I like Purefoy but that is not why I initially asked about it, so there was no reaction wanted or needed and Starshine is aware I like Purefoy, so this is not news.


grini said:
And then you wrote this:

history said:
Starshine and I have worked through our stuff and the forum was a huge part of our stuff to begin with and, for reasons known and unknown, it was worked out mostly through here.

There is no stalking necessary. We are good with each other. I am well. Breakthroughs sometimes come quickly.


Well, this looks like lying if you read the first quote, but, of course, maybe I'm completely wrong.

I don't see how wanting to be externally considerate is in contradiction with being good with someone. He knows I am here and has encouraged it from the day we met and also in the past few weeks. There is no problem between us now and life is moving on. I am going to speak to him before answering anart's questions because that is what we agreed to do. If I wanted to stalk him I could easily read the forum without posting and save myself a lot of effort. I'm here because I want to learn.
 
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