The Gay "Germ" Hypothesis

It also seems pretty unfair for homosexual individuals to expect heterosexual individuals to not see homosexuality as at least curious, if not downright strange.... and to try to systematically change that in children. There are ways to learn to get along and respect differences without either romanticizing or annihilating them. I would guess that the minority group who glorifies/normalizes homosexuality unrealistically is naturally equal to the minority group who is unrealistically militantly homophobic. The problem is that when one side grows, so does the other. And somebody dumped a whole bottle of miracle grow on that.

I've been interested in trying to see the strategy in all of this from a 4D STS perspective. (if possible) If a 'quantum leap in awareness' is imminent, then I think we can assume the parasitic infections are purposed to try and prevent it from happening or at least hamper it. So it seems there's multiple attacks resulting in the blurring of the lines between genders. And it seems this is being orchestrated at multiple levels. To what end? That's the question I want to focus on. I would guess general confusion. The weakening of family or even tribal bonds. I like what Neil had to say regarding variability of physicality at 4th level. Does that mean the ability to switch genders? IDK

But we know that we 'graduate' by one of the two pathways. So I think it's safe to assume all of this is designed to try and prevent polarization.
 
It's a little sad that y'all can see two dudes hold hands in public without getting grossed out. Or if two people kiss in public (regardless of their gender) some folks again get triggered.

Well I'm sure everyone has heard the half joking comment to public displays of sexual affection, "get a room." So I think it's safe to assume most people don't appreciate it, hence the joke.

But maybe you're right and everyone else is wrong.
 
I don't know if that's a fact relevant enough for this discussion. But according to what Milo Yannopoulus claims about the lack of maculinity (prevalence of gays and women) within the Catholic church has definitely had a negative impact, leaving child sexual abuse to hide in the shadows for a long time.

On the other hand, he also states among others things that there is (almost?) always a predatory component in homosexual interactions.

The minute where the discussion on this issue more or less begins.


The whole video:
 
In other words, I'm all for a detached, scientific look at things. But context matters, too - and right now, in the West at least, we live in a "pathological homo culture", and our emotional reactions to it might have less to do with "homophobia", and more to do with an instinctive revulsion against this thoroughly Orwellian, Dystopian, shameful state of affairs. Sometimes such emotions can be helpful with striving towards the truth, IF they don't consume us and we can keep the "moralistic snap-back" in check, or consciously channel it towards something productive and helpful.

Very true, and "seeing both sides of the coin" i.e. finding balance, is not so much about accepting everything as equal or normal, but rather seeing the 'bigger picture' which allows us to recognize and call out 'what is' but not be so presumptuous or arrogant to think that we can do something about it, at least on a society-wide level. THAT is the trap that is being set for everyone.
 
Y'all need to lighten up. I think the thread demonstrates huge biases and a lot of folks justifying and endorsing that bias because some gay people and much of gay culture are relatively disgusting in their behaviors and attitudes.

It seems reasonable to suggest that the 'bias' is a result of the 'relatively disgusting behavior' as you yourself describe it, in which case, a negative response from people can hardly be called bias, at least not in its pejorative sense, and it's therefore a response that no one, including you, can have any honest reason to take issue with.

And in case it's of interest, using the term "butt sex" comes across as both childish (in an 'anal phase' kind of way) and childishly insincere.
 
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I'm pretty sure it's almost impossible for most homosexuals to not have an 'oppression' and 'entitlement' chip on their shoulder and equally impossible for the vast majority of them to remove it. The CIA did a number on the gay community with their 'pride' program, and it has obviously worked very well.
 
I'm pretty sure it's almost impossible for most homosexuals to not have an 'oppression' and 'entitlement' chip on their shoulder and equally impossible for the vast majority of them to remove it. The CIA did a number on the gay community with their 'pride' program, and it has obviously worked very well.

One of the best comments yet. IMO I think any program can be 'removed' if it can be seen for what it is.
 
It seems reasonable to suggest that the 'bias' is a result of the 'relatively disgusting behavior' as you yourself describe it, in which case, a negative response from people can hardly be called bias, at least not in its pejorative sense, and it's therefore a response that no one, including you, can have any honest reason to take issue with.

And in case it's of interest, using the term "butt sex" comes across as both childish (in an 'anal phase' kind of way) and childishly insincere.

There's nuance here that's completely absent from the discussion because 'thou shalt not discuss sexuality on the forum.' Or 'thy tone must be perfect to avoid the dog-pile.' I take issue with the fact that you made a joke about 'stretching it' that was totally tolerated and used 'graphic descriptions' of putting a shotgun in someone's rear, and I say 'butt sex' and the collective pearls get clutched and I'm openly psychoanalyzed. I'm not craving anyone's approval here and have no problem speaking thoughts I believe to be true, the same can not be said for many folks in this discussion and the double standard is rather obvious.

The CIA also did a number on the heterosexuals during the Lavender Scare, which is where much of modern homophobic attitudes originated. It seems impossible for some heterosexuals to not-have homophobic or prudish chips on their shoulder and it's equally impossible for them to remove it, especially when they rationalize the attitudes and shut down discussion.
 
A few years ago, I seen gay-pride and all its events as reasonable due to the oppression gays used to face. But as others have pointed out the cycle of suppression/over-promotion is ridiculous. A lot like the new wave feminist agenda of wanting to surpass the point of equal rights but to have even more rights. There are lots of other examples now I think of it, but they all appear to be more divide and conquer games to stop us looking up the power structure and keep us fighting between ourselves.

Yes, I think what you say is exactly true. We have long ago gone from what is reasonable and fair to the completely absurd. Today's gay pride, the feminist agenda, the transsexual agenda all have one thing in common and that is absurdity! It all goes nowhere. It's negative expansion, that is; outward expansion without any inner substance. It's all about distracting the majority of the people into complete confusion where they lose their common sense and don't speak up and act for what is right because of fear. When you get down to it I see the tactics of the 'Mossad mentality,' a disguised tyranny running this freak show. It's in and has infiltrated everything especially in the arts, finance, and the sciences. Anything with real substance that can make a real difference and improvement is gutted out and left for rot.
 
One of the best comments yet. IMO I think any program can be 'removed' if it can be seen for what it is.
I, too, agree with Joes comment, but I think the topic of the thread itself was something different and at a certain point the whole discussion steered away from the germ inflicted homosexuality hypothesis to the reception of overtly homosexual behaviour in public and whether the aversion of such is to be called prudish or not.

I am sorry I cannot post something to connect back to the beginning question(s), but I would appreciate to see the discussion going back there...
 
I'm pretty sure it's almost impossible for most homosexuals to not have an 'oppression' and 'entitlement' chip on their shoulder and equally impossible for the vast majority of them to remove it. The CIA did a number on the gay community with their 'pride' program, and it has obviously worked very well.

Indeed. Not only was being gay a burden for many in the past, but now they have also been enticed into total entitlement and lack of external consideration, happily trampling over everyone's feelings while crying "muh my feelings". I'm currently reading Stafford Betty's "Heaven and Hell Unveiled", and if we are to believe these accounts, those who are living in a self-entitled way and arrogantly disregard the feelings of others will have to face a great deal of suffering in the afterlife. It's sad.

There's nuance here that's completely absent from the discussion because 'thou shalt not discuss sexuality on the forum.' Or 'thy tone must be perfect to avoid the dog-pile.' I take issue with the fact that you made a joke about 'stretching it' that was totally tolerated and used 'graphic descriptions' of putting a shotgun in someone's rear, and I say 'butt sex' and the collective pearls get clutched and I'm openly psychoanalyzed.

Your comments here are quite the show, Cyre. You know, there's a subtle art to making jokes about sex. But I don't expect someone to percieve these subleties who has been exposed to the crassest forms of sexual desire and normalization thereof for so long.
 
From the CIA Boy talk about spilling the beans.
During our keynote event held at CIA Headquarters the first week of June, Director Haspel introduced Major General (MG) Tammy Smith, the highest ranking and first openly gay general in US history. Director Haspel described MG Smith, saying, “She refused to give in to discrimination, stayed riveted on her goals, and proceeded to blaze a trail that will go down in the history books. Today, Major General Smith is widely recognized as a pioneer in helping LGBT men and women to fully contribute—and fully belong—to the Army family.”

This event is one of several CIA activities celebrating Pride Month, including participation in the Capital DC Pride Festival and the 7th annual IC Pride Summit, of which CIA was a founder. CIA hosted the first IC summit in 2012, and the summit has grown each year. This year also marks the 22nd anniversary of the founding of the Agency Network for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender Officers and Allies (ANGLE), CIA’s Agency Resource Group for LGBT employees.

A History of Pride at CIA

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Before 1995, LGBT CIA officers were considered a security risk for potential blackmail by foreign intelligence services and officers could, and did, lose their jobs if they admitted to being, or were thought to be, LGBT. This began to change when President Bill Clinton signed Executive Order (EO) 12968 banning the withholding of security clearances from members of the LGBT community.

The EO sparked the push for diversity and inclusion inside the CIA and inspired three courageous LGBT officers to found ANGLE in 1996. The officers, two lesbians and a transgender woman within the CIA’s Directorate of Science and Technology, stood up and banded together to try and create a working environment that was equitable to all employees regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. The journey was not always easy and the evolution of changing the embedded internal culture of the CIA to be more diverse and inclusive was a monumental tasking.

Throughout the years, ANGLE sought out senior champions and allies, collaborated with other Agency employee resource groups, worked with policy offices, and educated the workforce on LGBT issues and concerns. In addition, ANGLE worked closely with the Diversity and Inclusion Office and its predecessors on community outreach efforts to LGBT professional groups and organizations outside the CIA to share their experiences. ANGLE was also instrumental in creating IC Pride, a resource group made up of members from agencies across the Intelligence Community (IC).

ANGLE today has hundreds of members, including allies and senior champions, and is one of the longest-standing employee resource groups in the IC. The theme of this year’s Pride Month is “Generations of Pride: Leadership at Every Level” and it will examine the impact an individual can have in the LGBT community, or in any community, when they exude leadership and successfully work with others to accomplish a common mission or goal. Whether a Major General in the US Army, intelligence officers at CIA, or an athlete swimmer at Harvard University, we all have something unique to contribute and can lead from wherever we may be.
For more information on ANGLE, CIA inclusion efforts, and CIA Pride, see:
 
Not sure if this was already shared, but I thought this was interesting:

US Embassy, George Soros Push Gay Pride Parade in 84% Christian Country of Georgia

97% are opposed [to a gay pride parade] according to Levan Vasadze and the parties pushing it include our own American Embassy and George Soros.

Russia Insider sums it up very well:

For years, social liberals have attempted to force LGBT ideology on the Republic of Georgia, a profoundly Christian country with deeply good people, amazing food, and—most importantly—strong traditional values. Unfortunately, the United States’ own Embassy has again and again pushed for the LGBT agenda and is currently supporting a so-called “Pride Parade” which has been strongly condemned by the Georgian Orthodox Church. The Patriarch of Georgia, His Holiness Ilya II, is a kind and holy man (with whom I was blessed to meet when he spoke at WCF X in Tbilisi). Patriarch Ilya has made clear that Georgian Christians will not be silent while their Christian roots are undermined and attacked.
Matters of faith and family should be decided for Georgia by Georgians and not by powerful outside forces trying to push their own ideology. Now thousands of Christians in Tbilisi are peacefully but vocally taking to the streets to defend their values, led by Levan Vasadze. As usual, the mainstream media has repeatedly lied in their attempts to smear this movement, claiming that it supports hatred and violence. Nothing could be further from the truth.
While I am all for the America that protects those that cannot protect themselves, those days seem to be much in our past.

Today America, due to its liberal infusion, is more a country that pushes ideologies where things are working just fine without intervention.

I’d say that a country that is 84% Christian needs to be teaching us where we may have gone wrong, rather than us trying to spread our diseased culture to them.

Leave Georgia alone!
 
Your comments here are quite the show, Cyre. You know, there's a subtle art to making jokes about sex. But I don't expect someone to percieve these subleties who has been exposed to the crassest forms of sexual desire and normalization thereof for so long.

Exactly. Besides, the way I see it, Joe's aim in throwing that joke was also to dedramatize things a bit, and calm the atmosphere which was getting a bit tense. Sometimes, a little humour can go a long way and bridge the gap between people, you know. But somehow it was lost on you.
 
There's nuance here that's completely absent from the discussion because 'thou shalt not discuss sexuality on the forum.' Or 'thy tone must be perfect to avoid the dog-pile.' I take issue with the fact that you made a joke about 'stretching it' that was totally tolerated and used 'graphic descriptions' of putting a shotgun in someone's rear, and I say 'butt sex' and the collective pearls get clutched and I'm openly psychoanalyzed. I'm not craving anyone's approval here and have no problem speaking thoughts I believe to be true, the same can not be said for many folks in this discussion and the double standard is rather obvious.

The CIA also did a number on the heterosexuals during the Lavender Scare, which is where much of modern homophobic attitudes originated. It seems impossible for some heterosexuals to not-have homophobic or prudish chips on their shoulder and it's equally impossible for them to remove it, especially when they rationalize the attitudes and shut down discussion.
Cyre2067, I reference the bolded part: In my opinion it is you who displays your psyche in a way, that it doesn't astonish me at all that it wasn't well received by others. Take what you wrote here, especially the parts I put in italic. Those sentences for me have the air of someone who wants to verbally retaliate. You mock others and, at the end of the quote, you even accuse them of shutting down the discussion, but in my eyes it was more your diverging from the topic that somehow "spoiled" the discussion a little; at least for me. No hard feelings, though.
 
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