The Hungarian Language: One of the true wonder of the Earth since ancient times

[Rob]

smile....

hmm, i dont wont to rehash constantly to everyone's annoyance so let me know when to end this discussion, i'll be fine with that. :)

i have re-read several times, & i admitted i was annoyed/angry but also mixed in words of genuine agreement to leave since i couldn't fulfil the terms - angry or not i saw leaving as a seperate issue to the accusation levelled at me. So i could mix annoyance/sarcasm in 1 sentence with genuine agreement in the next.

But do you recall that i said i was responding to being accused of pontificating & demanding?
i didnt initiate the slight.
I am anything but a P & D, even if my text unintentionally comes across that way to some people. Maybe our different cultures?

I was not angry b4 the accusation, only after it. But no one seems to care about my feelings. (i really dont want to sound like a weakling although its hard to grade one's own sensitivity)

So focussing on the later discussion seems like you guys r avoiding Anarts accusation. Not to sound childish, but SHE started it. Sorry Anart i thought u were a guy for some reason.

Does everyone think its ok to accuse me? Isnt it PA (or whatever term) to do so?

I think there is a very fine line of trying to describe a negative behaviour without sounding the same in return.

Anart said i was pontificating, not seemed to be pontificating. It wasnt gentle or open to debate - it was fact, end of discussion. And that hurt because i felt slapped in the face & then not allowed to defend myself from any quarter.
whether or not Anart intended that is in some way irrelevant, since that is how it came across.

Much the same way that it doesn't matter how brilliant your product is, if the customers dont like or want it then the product is a complete failure. I was taught that in Marketing, & they were right. Of course u could repackage/price the product but that's not the point. I felt hurt like you feel i was rude. Whether or not we intended that is only partially relevant, fact is we came across like that whether we wish to admit it or not.

(I dont mind genuine critique, i even look for it, its free education IMO. I like free.)

Please take it as a given that ordinary people like me would be hurt by that statement. Your internal forum dialogue rules & techniques are known to you not to newbs so while it may have been perfectly fine what Anart said in your opinion it wasnt in mine.

And i wasn't intentionality feeding, if i understand what that means. My logic is always simple (fewer headaches that way), send a parting shot at Anart for her slight (though i didnt think of it that way at he time) but also try to undersand the forum rules must be adhered to. I respected the forum enough to leave. I can think & feel opposite thoughts & feelings at the same time. I must admit i am unique, and many people misjudge me initially on what i say based on when others have said similar things. People tend to extrapolate too far as far as my expressions r concerned. Later they all like me because i walk my talk, & am always nice, or realise what i really meant was what i said not what other have said but meant something else (if that makes sense).

I also admit that because of time limitations i cant perfect my thoughts b4 submitting which makes them rougher & less accurate than intended & is another reason why i wanted to bow out. This forum's communication is very succinct between experienced members (ie when done properly) which takes time to write. I always feel nervous when i submit (anywhere) for that reason. I'm constantly conflicted about quickly sharing my opinions then moving on but knowing that i'll make mistakes in my hurry.

I have been thinking recently that i need to pull back on maybe half of what i do in life to be able to provide enough attention to the remaining items, & to rescue my health. eg, For 4 yrs i renovated my rental property after work, plus travel had me up leaving home 5 am, travel, work, travel, renovating, then quick snack, & bed by 11pm or often 1/2/3 am. I think adrenaline kept me going but when i finished something hit me like a brick wall & was sick constantly for a yr or 2 later. Rarely was i sick or even tired while renovating. I think i have also suffered permanent health damage, premature aging, one can never be sure of course, but from what i read in the medical journals people do a lot of long term damage when they dont sleep enough, etc.


BTW, i noticed that disagreements happened not just to me but to other newbies. I thought the newb texts were fine but experienced members provoked them into getting angry.

Hence why I suspect there is a gulf (subtle but powerful) in the communication format/language between newbs & seniors.

Anyway, as i've said several times i wont comment on thread topics till i've read the recommended works. Thats what everyone wants isnt it, for me to get up to speed b4 participating further?


PPS no matter how annoyed i get at people, or poor/slow car drivers, it lasts literally for seconds, & its never full on. Only twice in my life was i ready to explode (fight physically) & that was against dad. But even then logic kicked in & i just walked outside to cool off. I guess while i love to hunt, i hate to kill/hurt (so to speak).


BTW, please do not apologise or agree with me just to be nice or polite or to stop the debate. My aim is never to win but to find the best solution possible, i dont care whose solution it is. That is my (work) life in a nutshell.

time for bed 11:541pm, wife is getting annoyed, lol.

Apologies for the rough un-reviewed writing above.

cheers
rob :zzz

 

[Mountain Crown]

[quote author=Rob]My aim is never to win but to find the best solution possible, i dont care whose solution it is. That is my (work) life in a nutshell.[/quote]

Let go of it. It’s the best solution.

Whether the “accusations” ring true to you or not, feeling the need to “defend” or “explain” is just the self-importance this forum refers to as a fundamental stumbling block to understanding. - fwiw

 

[anart]

Rob, it would be great if you would actually read the input already given to you on this (repeatedly and by many people) and actually try to understand it. Anything else is a waste of energy on everyone's part.

Let go of it. It’s the best solution.

Whether the “accusations” ring true to you or not, feeling the need to “defend” or “explain” is just the self-importance this forum refers to as a fundamental stumbling block to understanding. - fwiw

Exactly.

For the record, the definition of pontification is: 'To express opinions or judgments in a dogmatic way' - which is quite evident in many of your posts. That is the reason I pointed it out. If it weren't true, that comment wouldn't have bothered you so much that you're still talking about it weeks later.

 

[jaela]

Hello,
I would like to help to everybody who would like to know about the hungarian language and its secret more. You should read a book from Varga Csaba: The living language of the stoneage -its in english. He gives lot of keys in this book and compares it with other languages. Really interesting reading, and gives you a completely different wiev how to understand words.
If somebody is studying hungarian by the habsburg-german grammar rules will always miss the essence of the words. Other good help is to study the hungarian runes which are exactly the same as a egyptian demotic abc. (the difference is just in 2 letters).
Its really interesting what you say and realize that the words would like to leed you to higher levels , you just have to open your mind, know the ancient word roots , the picture, the movement what they want to express, and suddenly all the words will get different meanings. Of course in a very young languages its really difficult to find this, but its possible, still. In hungarian the ancient knowledge is conservated, and even if the country and the language is going and went trough really difficult times its not effected the language. I speak lot more languages , but what i found in this one until today I did´nt find in other languages.
You can understand on how the Universe is working on spiritual level, and the secret is in the words.
So I hope after reading a book from a right autor (because the mainstream linguist are going against their own language ). But its a long way to understand everything, learning and diving in this language gives you not just language knowledge but much more, you start to understand suddenly, that words are the key to everything. Have a nice day , jaela

 

[caballero reyes]

Hi, Jaela. Can you say something of the Greek language compared to the Magyar? (Hungarian). Something about the similarities of their roots if they exist.

 

[jaela]

Hi caballero reyes, the connection between hungarian and greek is the old greek language. I have one book about this called : Old grrek language= hungarian csángo dialekt (its written in hun just unfortunately) and its amazing sometimes greek words sound like when we talk in hungarian dialekt. The difference today is that on the and of the greek words you have the as , os, is, but the rest phoneticly you can unterstand. What they say is that the scythians brought the knowledge and the language into Greece. The bases of their filozophy is the scythian mythology what they received from their shamans and spiritual leaders.The scythian nation is not getting enough attention in our history.(for shore there is a reason why ...)
I´m very happy that you are also interested in this kind of alternative lingustic research, which is leading to the right roots of languages, not like the modern language trees, which for example put keltic languages in beetwen indoeuropean languages what doesnt have any sense, because its clearly a connection between hun and celtic. (there are books about this as well). Have a nice day, j

 

[caballero reyes]

Thank you very much, jaela.

 

[Valenhun]

Hi everyone!

First, my English is not so fluent, so I'm apologize it.

I'm running trough this post, and find it very interesting. I think I can have some good viewpoint to understand the Hungarian culture and language.

In Hungary there is many theory about our ancestry. And there is no 100% accepted origin theory.

The Names. All of the Hungarian names have the [Last name] [First name] order. Sometimes 2x [Last name] than 2x [First name].
In English : Tivadar Puskás
In Hungary Puskás Tivadar.

Why I'm write it: Do some name research to the past. Many Hungarian Family name contains the job (or social/physical attributes) of his ancestor.
Like:
Kovács = Smith
Nagy = Big or Great (like Alexander the great)
Juhász = Shepherd's
Puskás = with a gun (like the Marksman)

Study the Hungarian history, before the year 895 AD, when they come to the Carpathian Basin. They have travelled a lot before 895, and made contact so many Nation, that no one can count.

Than, when the Catholic religion widely used, the old traditions and the pagan religion disappeared. No one know, what cultural heritage destroyed between 1000AD and 2000AD.
The Tatars, the Turks, the Habsburg dynasty, the 1. and 2. WW, the Communism (witch is in fact Socialism), and a many more ruler and event destroyed the past, rewrite the history.

You know, if you want to rule a Nation, destroy his past, his history, and they get confused, easy to rule.

In hungarian, you can easily read an original printed book from the medieval era (~1500 AD). In English, if you want to read Shakespeare in original print, its not so easy (as I know).

In Hungary, more than 100.000 Hungarian folk music.
More than a hundred thousand "People story".
And much more Expression saying.

In the Hungarian, we commonly use near 25.000-30.000 words. But in fact the real words count in the Hungarian language is near 1 million.

http://hungarian-wikipedia.wiki-site.com/m/a/g/Magyar_sz%C3%B3kincs.html

Its a Hungarian link, not English.

Have a nice day.
Live long and Prosper :)

 

[lali]

I just landed to this forum as somewhen who studied and still study a lot about communication, included linguistic. I am generally interested in history and linguistic so by a luck I found this forum.
I am not hiding at all that I am hungarian, but is a fact that on this language you can find easier deep studies on the origin of the language itself. I understood from the comments below that for some commenters it is simply exclusing the chance to tell anything true if you are hungarian. I leave them in their faith, or oppinion my goals is just to share relating informations.
I do not want to dive into argumentations pro and contra, but probably everybody interested to see and read more about our language. Therefore I would like to share some new studies and old facts (rarely quoted) concerning hungarian (magyar). Let me start with that:

The ancient Hungarian runic scripts developed in the Carpathian Basin are the oldest relics found up to now; there are ancient signs that are originating from 15000-20,000 years and are found on a stick in Jankovich, the cave in Bajót (Northern Hungary).

COMPARISON BETWEEN THE SIGN-SYSTEMS OF THE CARPATHIAN BASIN, THE BOSNIAN PYRAMIDS AND GLOZEL

Briefly about the sign-system of the Carpathian Basin

1. The ancient Hungarian runic (rovás) script

The ancient Hungarian runic scripts developed in the Carpathian Basin are the oldest relics found up to now; there are ancient signs that are originating from 15000-20,000 years and are found on a stick in Jankovich, the cave in Bajót (Northern Hungary). The symbols on the Tatárlaka (Tartaria) Disc are 7500-8200 years old. In addition to this, there are relics and ancient writings which are about 6000-7000 years old, found by the archaeologist, Zsófia Torma (1831-1899), during her excavations near to Tordos, Transylvania. Several ancient runic relics which remained on the stones, church walls, objects made of bone, wood, silver and gold, were also discovered in Hungary (see the maps made before 1920).

The relics of the runic writings prove the origin of the Hungarian people in the Carpathian Basin (see Klára Friedrich: Tatárlaka titka (Mystery of Tatárlaka) at the website: http://www.magtudin.org/).

In old historic places in Hungary, people are still using the runic script even nowadays; at least one hundred thousand people use it in their daily life. The journalist Gábor Szakács who researches the runic writings has been organizing competitions for 10 years now, for the youth from 9-18 year-olds, with an average participation of 700 competitors. So, the symbols that are 15,000- 20,000 year-old are absolutely suitable for use in our days as well, especially because the sounds of the Hungarian language can be put down perfectly, only by this type of writing. It should be mentioned that in the 10th century, the ancient

Hungarian alphabet was replaced by Latin letters , and 13 sounds of their language (TY, GY, NY, SZ, ZS, CS, LY, J, K, Á, É, Ö, Ü) were missing from the Latin alphabet.

2. The signs on the megaliths in Tászok-tető

Tászok-tető is located in the Carpathian Basin, Transylvania, and there are some descriptions which say that on the high plateau and its surroundings, there were several hundred stones, containing ancient writings (average size of the stones 180 x 140 cm). Two undamaged megaliths are exhibited at the Tarisznyás Márton Museum in Gyergyószentmiklós, Transylvania. Also, there are some broken stones, which are still lying on the plateau even nowadays. Based on the parallels, it can be stated that the majority of the scripts are about 10,000 years old (see Klára Friedrich: Megalitok a Tászok-tetőn (Megalits on Tászok-tető), and also the book: Klára Friedrich-Gábor Szakács: Tászok-tetőtől a bosnyák piramisokig (From Tászok-tető on the Bosnian pyramids) - 2007, available only in Hungarian.

3. The signs of the Tordos-Vinca culture

The excavator of the Tordos culture was the archaeologist, Zsófia Torma, and in 1875 she found thousands of clay discs, deriving from the Neolithic period. Most of the signs on those discs are the same as the ancient Hungarian runic script, which is still being used even today. In Vinca, the settlement near Nándorfehérvár (since 1920 Beograd, Serbia) and in the nearby surroundings, many Neolithic artefacts were found in 1905 (see the map of M. Gimbutas).

Sign-systems outside the Carpathian Basin

This paper deals with two of them only, although several other European and Asian sign-systems show similarity with the ancient Hungarian runic script.

1. The signs of the Bosnian pyramids

The pyramid researcher, Semir Osmanagic, began excavations in 2005 in Visoko, Bosnia, 30 km North from Sarajevo. Mr. Senad Hodocic, the curator at the local museum, pointed out at the pyramidal shape of the Visocica Mountain, which grabbed Osmanagic's attention. It is also suspected that the four adjacent hills, covered by plants and greenery, also hide the pyramids. The main sites of the excavations are called the Pyramid of the Sun and the Pyramid of the Moon, and the results achieved so far have already proved that those structures are man-made and artificial. The Pyramid of the Sun is bigger and older than the pyramid in Giza, which was built by Pharaoh Cheops 4600 years ago. Gábor Szakács, who went to the site in June 2006 for the first time, found the symbols on the megalithic blocks inside the tunnel of the Pyramid of the Sun, which correspond to the ancient Hungarian runic writings.

Consequently, the territory of the Tordos-Vinca culture expanded to the south. In June 2007, I had the opportunity to examine these symbols personally, so I could be convinced of this fact, together with other Hungarian visitors.

Further information about the Bosnian Pyramids is available at the website http://www.piramidasunca.ba/.

2. Glozel

Glozel is a French village where in 1924, many artefacts, such as signs and symbols were found on the ceramic plates, bones and stones which are very similar to the ancient Hungarian letters and writings. I drew the attention to this fact in 2003 and 2005, pointing out on both occasions at the 111 signs found in Glozel. (See the book: Klára Friedrich-Gábor Szakács: Kárpát-medencei birtoklevelünk a rovásírás (Runic script is our letter of ownership to the Carpathian Basin) - 2003, p. 81 - available only in Hungarian and the book: Klára Friedrich-Gábor Szakács: Kőbe vésték, fába rótták (Carved into stone, engraved into wood) - 2005, the chapter entitled "Tatárlaka titka" on pages 48-83 (Mystery of Tatárlaka - in English available at http://www.magtudin.org/).

According to the official explanations, the age of the Glozel- signs is 1800-2300 years. See: http://www.glozel.net/.

Comparative tables of the signs

Having reviewed the tables we are entitled to presume that in the Carpathian Basin, where the Bosnian pyramids are located and in Glozel, the same culture left their written signs to us. However, a remarkable aspect is that these signs are still used in parts of Hungary even today, where important historical events took place.

Budapest, December 2007 by Klára Friedrich

I hope you find these interesting, and later will add some more about the topic. Civilized comments welcomed :) all the best

 

[shijing]

Hi lali,

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for posting the information above :) We encourage new members to introduce themselves on the Newbies Forum, telling us a bit about yourself and how you found us.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Hi Lali

Your post very much resembles on this one:

_http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t430217/

Forum not known for real knowledge but more for its racism and nazism.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

After recently reading a book about cranial deformation, I wonder how any normal human being, subjected to those processes as infants, ever grew up sane at all. If they weren't psychopathic to begin with, they would become that way after being tied down with their heads compressed for the first two years of life.

Another thing that occurred to me while reading this material was that this was done in imitation of some kind of beings that had these weird heads and that many of the cases cited in the book were NOT artificial deformation, but natural, and maybe this bizarre, dolichocephalic head with the extreme upward/backward extension was the "Mark of Cain." It also strikes me that, since there is often an association between cranial deformation and circumcision, circumcision was also done in "imitation" of the "new elite." And if so, what was the genital structure of this "elite"? Is this a track of something important, like "Nephilim"? Were their genitals similar to the genitals of reptiles and circumcision was an attempt to make the human male organ look like an everted reptilian organ which, as we know, has no foreskin because it is constantly erect and folded inside a compartment in the body? And if so, is this connected to those many ancient statues of the elite with constantly erect penises? Was this depicted in emulation?

In any event, some group was the "elite" back then and people were pressing their children's heads and whacking their penises to make them look like the rulers or to "please the god."

Just wanted to share this little tidbit from Andrew Collins's book, Gateway to Atlantis:

The Maya historian Joes Diaz Bolio told British author Adrian Gilbert [source: The Mayan Prophecies, pp. 122-23] that the Chanes, or 'Serpents', insisted that the heads of newborn babies born into their communities were deformed at birth using boards and wrappings to enable the child to become eligible for the priesthood when he came of age. This was achieved in order to create an effect known as a polcan - a long serpentine head in memory of Ahau Can, 'the Great, Lordly Serpent'. Since the Chanes saw themselves as descendants of either Itzamna, the Serpent of the East, or Votan, the Son of the Serpent, is it possible that they, too possessed extended facial features?

 

[lali]

Hi Lali

Your post very much resembles on this one:

_http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t430217/

Forum not known for real knowledge but more for its racism and nazism.

Thanks for comment Avala!
I tried to check the link you mentioned but could not open. It is because I used to work after office hours from my workplace, and many sites are blocked. So I can not check the similarity, but if this site is more about racism Im not interested to open it at all.
Anyway thx.

 

[Nienna]

Thanks for comment Avala!
I tried to check the link you mentioned but could not open. It is because I used to work after office hours from my workplace, and many sites are blocked. So I can not check the similarity, but if this site is more about racism Im not interested to open it at all.
Anyway thx.

Hi Lali. I see that your first post was on October 8th, 2012, and you have not, yet, made and introductory post. We suggest that new members make a post in the Newbies board and tell us a bit about themselves and how they found this forum. If you are unsure of what to write, just look at what other newbies have written. We do not ask for any real personal information, though.

 

[Gozaimasu]

"There are a number of theories of their origins, but no agreement. One expert thinks they came from Tibet, one from central Asia, but most think they came from the South."

& so far no-one has looked further enough south. Try going as far south as Lemuria, ie. Australia ;)

The Tasmanian Originals were speaking Magyar before the Owners of the Bank of England & the Jesuits via their British Stolenwealth proxy had them wiped out. Also the Awabakal peoples in New South Wales were also speaking the same language as the Tasmanians. Sure, there are some dialect differences the same as an Irishman/Englishman/Australian/Canadian etc. speak English but the root language mechanics are the same.

The Australian Original dreamtime spirituality system is the most advanced in tact system of spirituality left on the planet today, & the oldest.