The Importance of Bone Broth

[anart]

You can use the bone broth instead of vegetable broth if you're going to do the Ultrasimple diet. BUT - that may not be necessary at this point since you've already dropped gluten and dairy and sugar. The Ultrasimple was an early step we did on the diet experimentation adventure but if you're already on bone broth, no need to move backwards unless you're having issues with something specific that you need to figure out.

 

[supriyanoel]

Its good you told me that and I thank you Anart. I was feeling a hard time digesting for a few days, maybe from the kale or haricots vert(I love that), so upped the digestive zimes and make sure I'm taking them thoughout the day and its not happened again. It feels like I am just beginning to walk, and I thank the universe that "Life without Bread' and PBPM came just in time. And very inexpensive for a barely used copy on Amazon. Its funny that I'm not leaving home without it for any length of time.If allergic to anything I will probably feel it right away OSIT. Instead of the veggie broth plain I will add a organic chicken. I'm so prepared and now its good to know the work is done. If I have any doubt to what I may of ingested it may show on the ketone strip, since I've been using them at night. Its not as high as I'd like yet. Maybe it doesn't have to be. More to find out.

 

[Gimpy]

I wanted to ask this here: has anyone had experience with acute colitis and found bone broth beneficial?

My Mother has been suffering with a bout of acute colitis since December 21st. She's still quite ill, though she's used to it now and not
as aware of her condition from painkillers.

She should really be in hospital, but for whatever reason ( I suspect its because she is retired and on Medicare/caid) she has not been admitted. Her initial presentation was bloody stool, vomiting, and unconsciousness. (don't get me started on a rant about idiots in the ER on a Holiday....)

On going to the ER, she was given a CT scan, which found no tearing or erosions, and sent home with painkillers and a stern instruction not to eat anything but broth until further notice, to see her doctor. That was it.

I've kept in contact over Christmas, and am pushing the bone broth for her. I've even offered to mail her some of the organic soup bones we get from the organic butcher, but she won't hear of that. I think she is going to get some ham hocks to put in the crock pot to get some kind of good nutrition into her system. She is eating 'bland foods' which means oatmeal, rice, mashed potatoes.

I'm hoping to see if she can limit it more to mashed potatoes, hamburger, and bone broths, and get her off as many carbs as possible. Its tough, because she's very set in her ways. She did tell me she'd been eating a lot of salads before the attack happened, that it hit her hard out of the blue.

She has a platelet disorder, which is an autoimmune disease. She had her spleen removed for this reason a year or so ago, and just finished having her second knee replacement surgery. That's a lot of shock to the system, and I'm wondering if she's heading in the same direction of auto immune problems I have. She's going to turn 71 or 2 come January the 1st.

The concern my sister and I have is that her body is too inflamed to change her diet radically. She still has her gall bladder, so that is a positive. With the other issue with her blood, neither of us is sure how to advise her, and I don't trust the doctors at all. She's going to be seeing a specialist soon, and she's been set up on her computer with a means to reach her doctor 24-7. She has to email him every day on how she feels, if things get worse, she's to call him and go to the hospital.

Her spirits are good, she's just very frustrated that she can't do anything right now.

 

[truth seeker]

I wanted to ask this here: has anyone had experience with acute colitis and found bone broth beneficial?

My Mother has been suffering with a bout of acute colitis since December 21st. She's still quite ill, though she's used to it now and not
as aware of her condition from painkillers.

She should really be in hospital, but for whatever reason ( I suspect its because she is retired and on Medicare/caid) she has not been admitted. Her initial presentation was bloody stool, vomiting, and unconsciousness. (don't get me started on a rant about idiots in the ER on a Holiday....)

On going to the ER, she was given a CT scan, which found no tearing or erosions, and sent home with painkillers and a stern instruction not to eat anything but broth until further notice, to see her doctor. That was it.

I've kept in contact over Christmas, and am pushing the bone broth for her. I've even offered to mail her some of the organic soup bones we get from the organic butcher, but she won't hear of that. I think she is going to get some ham hocks to put in the crock pot to get some kind of good nutrition into her system. She is eating 'bland foods' which means oatmeal, rice, mashed potatoes.

I'm hoping to see if she can limit it more to mashed potatoes, hamburger, and bone broths, and get her off as many carbs as possible. Its tough, because she's very set in her ways. She did tell me she'd been eating a lot of salads before the attack happened, that it hit her hard out of the blue.

She has a platelet disorder, which is an autoimmune disease. She had her spleen removed for this reason a year or so ago, and just finished having her second knee replacement surgery. That's a lot of shock to the system, and I'm wondering if she's heading in the same direction of auto immune problems I have. She's going to turn 71 or 2 come January the 1st.

The concern my sister and I have is that her body is too inflamed to change her diet radically. She still has her gall bladder, so that is a positive. With the other issue with her blood, neither of us is sure how to advise her, and I don't trust the doctors at all. She's going to be seeing a specialist soon, and she's been set up on her computer with a means to reach her doctor 24-7. She has to email him every day on how she feels, if things get worse, she's to call him and go to the hospital.

Her spirits are good, she's just very frustrated that she can't do anything right now.

The thing is, there may be some small things she can do right now but if I've understood what you've written correctly, she may not be interested in doing so. It sounds more as if she's attempting to do some damage control because she's afraid but still quite programmed and holding back because of it. Is this correct? If so, she may not really be asking. Others may have a different take. Big hugs, Gimpy.

 

[Gimpy]

The thing is, there may be some small things she can do right now but if I've understood what you've written correctly, she may not be interested in doing so. It sounds more as if she's attempting to do some damage control because she's afraid but still quite programmed and holding back because of it. Is this correct? If so, she may not really be asking. Others may have a different take. Big hugs, Gimpy.

That's one of the problems. She's suffering right now...and wants that to stop. Once it does? She'll go back to eating whatever she likes, and the cycle resets. She's convinced herself eating isn't an issue, until something like this happens. To her thinking, the human body is like a car, you fix it, then forget it. The only reason she listens to me? She knows how bad my health's been, and how much better I am now that I've made specific changes. She has shown interest in how I can live on what she sees as next to nothing and thrive. It's more important to her to be able to do what she wants to do daily: sewing, embroidery, etc. As long as she can do those activities she loves, the rest is negotiable....maybe. I know if she flat refuses, I'll have to 'drop it'. That's hard, but not impossible to do. (Had to do that with my father, though it was easier to do since he's such a total jerk.)

The concern is that the colitis attack is part of a larger auto immune issue, in which case this flare up is one of many to come. I've been through it, and its pretty nasty. I never got to the point I passed out, though. It hit her like a truck on the first attack, which is not a good sign.

My parents do what doctors tell them to do, to a point. It's just who they are. I've accepted that, and the facts that go with it. At the same time, my conscience is not going to let me sleep at night if I do nothing when she calls me up, asking 'What did you eat when you went through this?'

 

[truth seeker]

That's one of the problems. She's suffering right now...and wants that to stop. Once it does? She'll go back to eating whatever she likes, and the cycle resets. She's convinced herself eating isn't an issue, until something like this happens. To her thinking, the human body is like a car, you fix it, then forget it. The only reason she listens to me? She knows how bad my health's been, and how much better I am now that I've made specific changes. She has shown interest in how I can live on what she sees as next to nothing and thrive. It's more important to her to be able to do what she wants to do daily: sewing, embroidery, etc. As long as she can do those activities she loves, the rest is negotiable....maybe. I know if she flat refuses, I'll have to 'drop it'. That's hard, but not impossible to do. (Had to do that with my father, though it was easier to do since he's such a total jerk.)

I'm not so sure about that but maybe that I have less patience with people. My current way of navigating such situations is to view what they actually do based on what I've told them, not what they say. I figure if there's a disconnect between the two, I'm pretty much talking to myself. With that said, every situation is different and I don't want to discourage you from trying.

The concern is that the colitis attack is part of a larger auto immune issue, in which case this flare up is one of many to come. I've been through it, and its pretty nasty. I never got to the point I passed out, though. It hit her like a truck on the first attack, which is not a good sign.

I agree and can understand your concern.

My parents do what doctors tell them to do, to a point. It's just who they are. I've accepted that, and the facts that go with it. At the same time, my conscience is not going to let me sleep at night if I do nothing when she calls me up, asking 'What did you eat when you went through this?'

I tend to have this viewpoint as well - the whole "Maybe I didn't do enough." thing. In my case, that's often a program that leads me to take responsibility for other people's choices and in the end, gets in the way of their lessons. If 'all is lessons', I'm sorry to say that this is one of hers.

When she asks, if you've told her what you did then unless someone else has other ideas, I'm not sure what more can be done.

I realize it very difficult to watch loved ones go through these difficulties, but sometimes the best we can do is to try and support their choices as much as we can even when we know they're wrong. I had to do the same with my own family. Try to hang in there and talk as much as you need to.

 

[emilien512]

I would like to ask, is it acceptable to make a bone broth from beef bone during a fast ? Or is it going to disturb the fast ?

 

[supriyanoel]

Sounds similar to my Mom, who passed at 78 a few years back. I was visiting the gravesite yesterday, which zooms me into a place that's so THERE with her and I . One of the first things I said was "I wished I knew about the bone broth when you were here!" As resistant as she was about some things, she would of approved of this, plus it tastes good.So Gimpy, if their is any possible way you can get it to her, and shes willing I'd do it. I don't know if my Mom or yours would have such immediate results as I, but if shes open its worth a try.Its funny though, when my Mom heard the word "cancer", it was "that's it, its all over",as she had wanted it to be for a long time. She was not in pain physically, but mentally, and I watched how after the gall bladder was gone, her anger went to the liver, which had tumors(which were being treated with statins and growth was halted), and got so imbalanced she could barely walk. No coordination, constant urination. I know now diet could of changed it. Had I the real info it didn't need to end this way.If your Mom is in enough pain, and willing to give it a try this bone broth may be the catalyst for change. That is only my experience. But why should it only be mine? I hope for the very best. It may change nothing. But what if it does? At least you know what your talking about, whereas I didn't at the time.(I barely do now when it comes to diet and its understanding) I am taking baby steps now. No pain from arthritis, hair not falling out,no constipation at all and no diarrhea.Rashes on face and eczema gone. In 2 weeks.The pushing in on my liver doesn't hurt.Amazing.I also went KD very soon after that first batch. Maybe she will also drink lots of water, distilled preferably if she can manage it.

 

[Chrissy]

I came across this article today and didn't see it posted anywhere here.

Traditional Bone Broth in Modern Health and Disease by Allison Siebecker

_http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMarch2005/broth0205.htm

It goes through the ingredients and how they benefit the body. I thought this part particularly interesting. I didn't know vitamin C was needed to synthesize collagen :

" Scurvy is a disease caused by a deficiency of vitamin C. It results in symptoms such as bleeding gums, bruising, and poor wound healing. These manifestations are actually due to a deficiency of collagen, because vitamin C is needed to synthesize collagen. It converts proline into hydroxyproline. 33 Collagen, along with minerals are needed for the creation and healing of bone. It is also integral to cartilage formation and repair, along with GAGs"

 

[LQB]

I came across this article today and didn't see it posted anywhere here.

Traditional Bone Broth in Modern Health and Disease by Allison Siebecker

_http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMarch2005/broth0205.htm

It goes through the ingredients and how they benefit the body. I thought this part particularly interesting. I didn't know vitamin C was needed to synthesize collagen :

" Scurvy is a disease caused by a deficiency of vitamin C. It results in symptoms such as bleeding gums, bruising, and poor wound healing. These manifestations are actually due to a deficiency of collagen, because vitamin C is needed to synthesize collagen. It converts proline into hydroxyproline. 33 Collagen, along with minerals are needed for the creation and healing of bone. It is also integral to cartilage formation and repair, along with GAGs"

Yes, the collagen formation is why many recommend and take lysine and proline along with their Vit C.

 

[Laura]

I wanted to ask this here: has anyone had experience with acute colitis and found bone broth beneficial?

My Mother has been suffering with a bout of acute colitis since December 21st. She's still quite ill, though she's used to it now and not
as aware of her condition from painkillers. <snip>

The concern my sister and I have is that her body is too inflamed to change her diet radically. She still has her gall bladder, so that is a positive. With the other issue with her blood, neither of us is sure how to advise her, and I don't trust the doctors at all. She's going to be seeing a specialist soon, and she's been set up on her computer with a means to reach her doctor 24-7. She has to email him every day on how she feels, if things get worse, she's to call him and go to the hospital.

Her spirits are good, she's just very frustrated that she can't do anything right now.

Yes, bone broth with some fat skimmed off, veal, and instant (not fresh) mashed potatoes are what worked for Atriedes at the time he nearly died from this business. Also, a rice baby cereal with water (not milk). Make sure it is pure rice. AFTER things settle down, it would be best to eat NO irritating foods for a long time and irritating foods are veggies, grains, sugars, etc.

 

[Gimpy]

I wanted to ask this here: has anyone had experience with acute colitis and found bone broth beneficial?

My Mother has been suffering with a bout of acute colitis since December 21st. She's still quite ill, though she's used to it now and not
as aware of her condition from painkillers. <snip>

The concern my sister and I have is that her body is too inflamed to change her diet radically. She still has her gall bladder, so that is a positive. With the other issue with her blood, neither of us is sure how to advise her, and I don't trust the doctors at all. She's going to be seeing a specialist soon, and she's been set up on her computer with a means to reach her doctor 24-7. She has to email him every day on how she feels, if things get worse, she's to call him and go to the hospital.

Her spirits are good, she's just very frustrated that she can't do anything right now.

Yes, bone broth with some fat skimmed off, veal, and instant (not fresh) mashed potatoes are what worked for Atriedes at the time he nearly died from this business. Also, a rice baby cereal with water (not milk). Make sure it is pure rice. AFTER things settle down, it would be best to eat NO irritating foods for a long time and irritating foods are veggies, grains, sugars, etc.

After offering to send her quality bones for broth, and offering the above advice, Mom's decided cream of wheat is good enough. She said she'll eat that until she sees a specialist next week. She's also tried mashed sweet potato, and instant mashed with butter. Both hurt her, just not as bad.

She keeps telling me the pain medication 'makes her unreasonable', but I've only given her advice when she's asked, and been clear of pain medication.

At this point? I'm keeping in touch with her via phone, but taken a big step back.

 

[Steve M.]

supriyanoel said:

I think I will use less vinegar, because it didn't gel up as good, nor was it as strong.

I'm having a problem with gelling up my broth as well.

Will using less vinegar actually help? I don't actually make measurement. I've been eyeballing everything. I get about 4 out of 5 batches that are watery. I cannot for the life of me figure out how it's gel like this time and watery (most) other times. I'm using an average full size crock pot. I dice up an onion, crush some garlic and also add sea, onion and garlic salts. Outside of that I'm using grass fed cow bones and occasionally toss in some cow fat that has just a little bit of meat on it. The bones are uncooked and have been/are frozen when I start them.

I do get a good taste of the Vinegar in my recent batches.. so my question: Is it (often/usually) too much vinegar that causes the broth not to gel up usually?

 

[RflctnOfU]

supriyanoel said:

I think I will use less vinegar, because it didn't gel up as good, nor was it as strong.

I'm having a problem with gelling up my broth as well.

Will using less vinegar actually help? I don't actually make measurement. I've been eyeballing everything. I get about 4 out of 5 batches that are watery. I cannot for the life of me figure out how it's gel like this time and watery (most) other times. I'm using an average full size crock pot. I dice up an onion, crush some garlic and also add sea, onion and garlic salts. Outside of that I'm using grass fed cow bones and occasionally toss in some cow fat that has just a little bit of meat on it. The bones are uncooked and have been/are frozen when I start them.

I do get a good taste of the Vinegar in my recent batches.. so my question: Is it (often/usually) too much vinegar that causes the broth not to gel up usually?

As to too much vinegar not gelling, I only put a splash of vinegrette, and gelling was minimal. My two most recent batches were made without any vinegar, and the gelling was GREAT! I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that with crockpot, slowcooking for 24+ hours, probably didn't need any help from vinegar to leech minerals from the bones. I agree with this. I feel the benefits no less that with the batches in which vinegar was used.

Kris

 

[1984]

I'm using an average full size crock pot. I dice up an onion, crush some garlic and also add sea, onion and garlic salts.

Just a reminder to forego salt while cooking. It prohibits leeching of the minerals. You can always add it later.

As an aside and not sure if it means anything - I get a better gel without it compared to all the years I made homemade soups with it added from the beginning.