The Magnesium Miracle

[Mrs. Peel]

I want to keep at it. Anyone seen a marked difference between the various kinds of Magnesium supplements you take ?

Trying to remember but I thought citrate, malate, and orotate were the preferred types... I take malate myself, as it has malic acid in it.

 

[Thomas Alan]

I've been experimenting with Magnesium L-Threonate for about a 3 weeks.

_http://www.sott.net/articles/show/202326-Magnesium-Supplement-Helps-Boost-Brainpower

It's supposed to enter the brain more easily than other forms of magnesium. I feel much clearer headed, memory, long term and short, is greatly improved. And I just feel better. I am more relaxed when talking with others. I don't feel like I have to force myself to be pleasant and helpful. It is less of a struggle to handle complex and ambiguous situations.

I bought from Life Extension Foundation but I see Swanson offers it too.

Has anyone else had experience with the magnesium form?

Mac

 

[1toofast]

In biology and biochemistry, calcium is the substance most often studied, so it is significant that researchers still speak of a calcium paradox.
There are several such paradoxes: As bones lose calcium, the soft tissues calcify; when less calcium is eaten, blood calcium may increase, along with calcium in many organs and tissues; if an organ such as the heart is deprived of calcium for a short time, its cells lose their ability to respond normally to calcium, and instead they take up a large, toxic amount of calcium.
Magnesium deficiency and calcium deficiency have some similar symptoms (such as cramping), but magnesium is antagonistic to calcium in many systems. It is the basic protective calcium blocker.
Inflammation leads to excessive uptake of calcium by cells, and is a factor in obesity, depression, and the degenerative diseases.
Protein deficiency is an important cause of deranged calcium metabolism. Vitamins K, E, and A are important in regulating calcium metabolism, and preventing osteoporosis.

_http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/calcium.shtml
A good book to read regarding your specific dietary needs is Vanda Sawtell's Biochemistry

 

[Foxx]

I've been experimenting with Magnesium L-Threonate for about a 3 weeks.

_http://www.sott.net/articles/show/202326-Magnesium-Supplement-Helps-Boost-Brainpower

It's supposed to enter the brain more easily than other forms of magnesium. I feel much clearer headed, memory, long term and short, is greatly improved. And I just feel better. I am more relaxed when talking with others. I don't feel like I have to force myself to be pleasant and helpful. It is less of a struggle to handle complex and ambiguous situations.

I bought from Life Extension Foundation but I see Swanson offers it too.

Has anyone else had experience with the magnesium form?

Mac

I just saw this post and this sounds interesting Mac--have you still been experimenting with Magnesium L-Threonate since you posted this? In your experience, would you recommend it over other forms of magnesium? How much do you take a day and have you had any laxative effects from it?

 

[1toofast]

Among the sea of disinfo, here is some interesting info regarding Magnesium, calcium, sodium and alkaline blood.

MAGNESIUM L-THREONATE does not in fact offer ANY superiority whatsoever over MAGNESIUM SULFATE

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/54325-magnesium-l-threonate-is-no-more-effective-than-sulfate-form/

Magnesium in found in pills bound to other molecules, typically salts, known as chelations. This is to stabilize the magnesium when in the pill and prevent cross-reaction with other minerals.


6.1. Oxalate/Oxide
Magnesium Oxalate (MgO) typically has low bioavailability in the body around 4-5%[11], but can be increased to 10% with the introduction of effervescent tablets.[12] Due to the low intestinal bioavailability, this form of Magnesium tends to be used for laxatative purposes.


6.2. Citrate
The most commonly used form of Magnesium supplementation, due to its high water solubility and possible usage in liquids. Magnesium bound to Citrate appears to have a higher bioavailability at around 25-30%, probably due to its increased water solubility relative to oxide chelations (as it is hypothesized that small molecular weight acids hold this potential).[13][14] Magnesium bound to tartaric acid (Magnesium-L-Tartrate) has similar effects and properties.


6.3. Aspartate
Magnesium bound to amino acids (Magnesium L-Aspartate) show increased bioavailability relative to Oxide[15] but tend to be lesser than Citrate.[13] One exception is Magnesium Monoaspartate, which has been found to have bioavailability of 42% relative to citrate's 30%.[16]


6.4. DiGlycinate
Magnesium Diglycinate has inceased bioavailability relative to Oxide, and is absorbed in different areas of the gut than traditional magnesium supplementation.[17]


6.5. Orotate
Magnesium Orotate (Orotic acid) appears to have favorable kinetics when in systemic circulation[18] and a large safety profile[19], but gastrointestinal uptake rate is not known.

When looking at rat studies, citrate also appears to be largely bioavailable but Magnesium Gluconate showed highest bioavailability.[20][21] These results, however, should be taken with a grain of salt as the rats were magnesium deficient which may increase bioavailability independent of the chelation.[22]


6.6. L-Threonate
Magnesium L-Threonate has begun to be looked into for specifically increasing brain magnesium levels and learning.[23][24] Unpublished data from some of the aforementioned researchers suggest that Magnesium L-Threonate and Magnesium Gluconate dissolved in milk have higher bioavailabilities than Citrate, Glycinate, Oxalate, and Gluconate by itself.[23][25]

http://examine.com/supplements/Magnesium/

magnesium deficiency causes inflammation. A deficiency of either calcium or magnesium can stimulate the parathyroid glands to produce more hormone (parathyroid hormone, PTH), which increases calcium absorption, but also removes calcium from the bones. This hormone, responding to a dietary calcium or magnesium deficiency, is an important factor in causing cells to take up too much calcium, and its excess is associated with many inflammatory and degenerative diseases.

a very low sodium diet increases the loss of magnesium, by increasing aldosterone synthesis, simply increasing the amount of sodium in the diet can help some people to balance their minerals and minimize stress. During fasting and other intense stress, the kidneys destroy a large amount of protein to form ammonia to maintain their ability to excrete acids, so using a large amount of the alkaline minerals can reduce the protein catabolism.

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/calcium.shtml

In 1932 Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in Medicine for his discovery that cancer was anaerobic: cancer occurs in the absence of free oxygen. As innocuous as this discovery might seem, it is actually a startling and significant finding worthy of a Nobel Prize. What it basically means is that cancer is caused by a lack of free oxygen in the body and therefore, whatever causes this to occur is the cause of all cancers.
In chemistry, alkali solutions (pH over 7.0) tend to absorb oxygen, while acids (pH under 7.0)tend to expel oxygen. For example, a mild alkali can absorb over 100 times as much oxygen as a mild acid. Therefore, when the body becomes acidic by dropping below pH 7.0 (note:all body fluids, except for stomach and urine, are supposed to be mildly alkaline at pH 7.4), oxygen isdriven out of the body thereby, according to Nobel Prize winner Otto Warburg,inducing cancer. Stomach fluids must remain acidic to digest food and urine must remain acidic to remove wastes from the body. Blood is the exception. Blood must always remain at an alkaline pH 7.4 so that it can retain its oxygen. When adequate mineral consumption is in the diet, the blood is supplied the crucial minerals required to maintain an alkaline pH of 7.4. However when insufficient mineral consumption is in the diet, the body is forced to rob Peter (other body fluids) to pay Paul (the blood). In doing so, it removes crucial minerals, such as calcium, from the saliva, spinal fluids, kidneys, liver, etc., in order to maintain the blood at pH 7.4. This causes the de-mineralized fluids and organs to become acidic and therefore anaerobic, thus inducing not only cancer, but a host of other degenerative diseases, such as heart disease, diabetes, arthritis, lupus, etc..

http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/calcium_cures_cancer.html

Himalayan salt is known to help alkalinise blood and contain the same ratio of minerals that the human body requires, but if you look at cell salt therapy and specific needs relating to your birth chart, we all have different specific deficiencies which makes generic supplement treatment dangerous.

http://www.aquatechnology.net/alkalinefraud.html

IMHO Nothing beats quality food and natural mineral salts.

 

[Thomas Alan]

I've been experimenting with Magnesium L-Threonate for about a 3 weeks.

_http://www.sott.net/articles/show/202326-Magnesium-Supplement-Helps-Boost-Brainpower

It's supposed to enter the brain more easily than other forms of magnesium. I feel much clearer headed, memory, long term and short, is greatly improved. And I just feel better. I am more relaxed when talking with others. I don't feel like I have to force myself to be pleasant and helpful. It is less of a struggle to handle complex and ambiguous situations.

I bought from Life Extension Foundation but I see Swanson offers it too.

Has anyone else had experience with the magnesium form?

Mac

I just saw this post and this sounds interesting Mac--have you still been experimenting with Magnesium L-Threonate since you posted this? In your experience, would you recommend it over other forms of magnesium? How much do you take a day and have you had any laxative effects from it?

I just saw your post, Foxx.

Yes, I've been using 3 capsules a day Magnesium (from 2000 mg Magtein™ magnesium L-threonate)144 mg for about 6 months. Here is an article from Life Extension about it.

-http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2012/feb2012_Novel-Magnesium-Compound-Reverses-Neurodegeneration_01.htm

It does to help me be clearer headed and have better memory. It does not seem to have a laxative effect on me. Recently, I wanted to increase my overall magnesium level as a way to stop the formation of kidney stones ( 6 incidents since Jan 1) I tried adding 200 mg magnesium citrate. This definitely had a laxative effect. It appears that the magnesium L-threonate does saturate my body with magnesium so that tolerance for more is reduced. I take magnesium baths once a week, very relaxing, I feel very refreshed after.

Among the sea of disinfo, here is some interesting info regarding Magnesium, calcium, sodium and alkaline blood.

MAGNESIUM L-THREONATE does not in fact offer ANY superiority whatsoever over MAGNESIUM SULFATE

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/54325-magnesium-l-threonate-is-no-more-effective-than-sulfate-form/

Hi, 1toofast: Reading the thread referenced I'd say that more information via studies would be helpful. Of course, my experience is anecdotal. It seems to help me at least.

Mac

 

[Foxx]

I just saw your post, Foxx.

Yes, I've been using 3 capsules a day Magnesium (from 2000 mg Magtein™ magnesium L-threonate)144 mg for about 6 months. Here is an article from Life Extension about it.

-http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2012/feb2012_Novel-Magnesium-Compound-Reverses-Neurodegeneration_01.htm

It does to help me be clearer headed and have better memory. It does not seem to have a laxative effect on me. Recently, I wanted to increase my overall magnesium level as a way to stop the formation of kidney stones ( 6 incidents since Jan 1) I tried adding 200 mg magnesium citrate. This definitely had a laxative effect. It appears that the magnesium L-threonate does saturate my body with magnesium so that tolerance for more is reduced. I take magnesium baths once a week, very relaxing, I feel very refreshed after.

Thanks for the follow up, Mac! I'm going to get some and check it out :)

 

[Gaby]

A new fascinating fact about magnesium:

Magnesium's Importance Far Greater Than Previously Imagined

New research published in the journal BMC Bioinformatics indicates that magnesium's role in human health and disease is far more significant and complicated than previously imagined.

While it is well known that all living things require magnesium, and that it is found in over 300 enzymes in the human body, including those enzymes utilizing or synthesizing ATP (the molecular unit of currency for energy transfer), the new studied titled, "3,751 magnesium binding sites have been detected on human proteins," indicates that a deficiency of magnesium may profoundly affect a far wider range of biological structures than previously understood.

The proteome, or entire set of proteins expressed by the human genome, contains well over 100,000 distinct protein structures, despite the fact that there are believed to be only 20,300 protein-coding genes in the human genome.

The discovery of the "magneseome," as its being called, adds additional complexity to the picture, indicating that the presence or absence of adequate levels of this basic mineral may epigenetically alter the expression and behavior of the proteins in our body, thereby altering the course of both health and disease.

 

[Oxajil]

Thought this may be interesting, it's about vitamin D3 and magnesium. By Carolyn Dean MD:

Magnesium experts, Morley Robbins, Rick Mather and I are crafting an article on the problems with excess vitamin D. It will shatter a lot of myths about this substance including the fact that it's not even a vitamin but really a hormone.

To illustrate our point, here is what a member of the Magnesium Advocacy Group wrote about her experience with Vitamin D3 on Facebook.

"Due to having severe bone lose my doctor told me to take D3 but did not tell me to take magnesium. After being on the D3 at dosage of only 2000mg per day I started having cramps, heart palpitations, fatigue, insomnia, high blood pressure (I had always had low BP ) and many other problems. I thought it was the D3 so I stopped and started doing research to find that you never take D3 without mag. If your magnesium level is already low the D3 will use up more of your magnesium and cause all kinds of problems. All that summer I could not even get out in the sun to get natural vitamin D without getting heart palpitations and cramps in my legs. It has took me almost 2 yrs and I am still not 100%.

She continued. "I have come to believe that with low magnesium everything is off. Your vitamin D will be low because it needs magnesium and your cholesterol will be high if magnesium levels are low. Before taking magnesium my cholesterol was running a little high. Thyroid level was running low and my D was never checked but am sure it was low also but when my blood work was done again after taking magnesium for about 6 months my thyroid levels and cholesterol levels were both back in normal range plus my iron had gone up from 41 to 82 and my B12 had gone from 401 to 800. Fasting blood sugar went from 103 to 98. The only thing I was taking was maggie so I know that is what did it."

Bottom line? Magnesium is active in over 80% of the body's biological functions so many of the interrelationships and intricacies haven't even been studied yet. What do we suggest? Keep taking your magnesium and to balance your vitamin D, use natural sunlight, cod liver oil and butter oil for the necessary vitamin A and vitamin K that make vitamin D work properly. [...]

 

[buchsan]

:D Wow! I had not really typed out all the stuff that magnesium might affect....thanks for this info. I take magnesium every night, but I think I will look into the oils and maybe some water?? I used to put Prill in my water, it was supposed to have magnesium balance in it....think I will go check it!!

 

[Maya]

We're practising transdermal & oral therapy with MgCl 35 g/ l water solution for a year now .... I've read about Mg beneffits so many times but the thing that realy forced us to apply it was terrible myospasms in legs during the night ...
Probably it was result of very high physical activity and about 10 km on foot a day, too...besides clasic Mg deficiency ...

Now we're doing really great, all symptoms are gone and the energy level is better then ever !

 

[Gaby]

More Magnesium Miracle reports:

Take Magnesium to Escape Cancer

_http://drsircus.com/medicine/magnesium/take-magnesium-to-escape-cancer

Below is a report from Dr. Robert H. Craig from circa 1930 entitled The Value of Magnesium Chloride as an Aid in the Treatment of Cancer. It confirms everything I have ever written about magnesium and cancer and sustains my continued insistence that it remain the number one medicinal in every cancer protocol. When combined with selenium (just 200 mcg a day reduces one’s chance of dying from cancer), sodium and potassium bicarbonate, iodine and cannabinoid medicine we see the nuclear core of the Natural Allopathic way of treating cancer.

Dr. Craig wrote:

A PATIENT, male, aged 43, consulted me, complaining of a husky voice of eight months’ duration. His family history was most unfavorable; his mother, two maternal uncles and an aunt had died of cancer.

Examination of his larynx revealed a warty growth on the anterior third of the right vocal cord, the edges of which were indurated, and there was a small growth on the left vocal cord. The Wassermann test was negative; no evidence of tuberculosis.

Two denuded pieces of cartilage were removed from the larynx, and three large foul-smelling sloughs were removed from the subglottic space with forceps and suction. In order to gain free access to the upper part of the trachea, the cricoid cartilage was incised with the radon knife and this space carefully fulgurated. A deep ulcerated area on the right side of the larynx was fulgurated. The larynx and trachea were then packed with iodoform gauze saturated with tannic and gallic acid and treated as an open wound. A feeding tube was passed through the nose into the esophagus to a depth of ten inches.

There was some improvement in his general condition following the operation, which was attributed to the removal of the septic foci, but in spite of daily dressings and meticulous care, the laryngeal picture remained about stationary. The patient’s condition was grave and the prognosis gloomy.

As a last resort I decided to administer magnesium chloride subcutaneously and to use it combined with pepsin as a spray for the pharynx, with pepsin and glycerine as a dressing in the laryngeal cavity. After the first injection the patient stated that his teeth felt “as if they were steel”.

Daily examination of the larynx through the laryngeal mirror showed a gradual disappearance of the edema of the epiglottis and larynx. The infiltration began to subside after the tenth treatment. After two weeks of the treatment the skin looked white and almost chalky, and the patient no longer appeared septic. The mucous membrane of the pharynx was whitish, and that of the epiglottis and larynx was white and glistening, suggestive of the deposition of the magnesium salt in the tissues.

The tracheotomy wound, which had been moth-eaten and succulent in appearance was now firm and healthy-looking; the granulations in the laryngeal opening were white, healthy and glistening. The odor and cough had almost disappeared. The improvement was pronounced, and, in order if possible to speed it up, I prescribed magnesium chloride by mouth.

The pathologist reported the necrotic tissue removed from larynx as containing carcinoma cells.

Fifteen days after the treatment was begun the feeding tube was removed and deglutition gradually returned to normal. One month later the edema had disappeared from the epiglottis and the ulceration of the mucous membrane of the larynx had disappeared.

When the tracheotomy tube was removed, the patient could whisper; abduction and adduction were slowly returning. One month and two days from the time the treatment was first started, the patient left the hospital. At the time of writing, two months later, he has gained over fifteen pounds, his appetite is excellent, and the tracheotomy opening healthy, but the larynx is almost immobile. I attribute this fixation partly to the fact that during the time I was absent on my vacation he was not encouraged, nor did he attempt to use his voice. I hope to overcome this by ionization and suitable dilatation. He comes to my office thrice weekly, driving his own car, and is well enough to supervise his business for a part of the day.

The importance of the bio-chemical approach to the study of cancer has been fully stressed by Prof. Pierre Delbet, Superintendent of the Cancer Institute, Paris. The Stockholm Weekly JournZ, in June 1931, published a most enlightening article by him, the title of which was “Take magnesium and escape cancer”.

Here he advocated as a prophylactic measure the administration of magnesium to all persons in and past middle life. By his experimental work he showed that soil, water and foodstuffs deficient in magnesium salts predisposed to cancer. In order to check up his gross findings he inoculated a series of rabbits with cancer virus. Fifty percent of these he treated with magnesium chloride, all of which recovered, while the majority of the untreated rabbits died.

Apart from Delbet’s findings there are many fundamental biological reasons why magnesium chloride should have been chosen. According to the latest views, magnesium exhibits its maximum valence in combination with chlorine. Magnesium chloride is the ideal oxidizing and reducing agent in the tissues. This combination has apparently been selected by nature to stimulate to the maximum inter and intracellular change. The great versatility of this combination to reduce and oxidize brings about a complete ionization, and therefore a normal functioning of the cells.

 

[Peter_in_Thailand]

.
Much valuable information on this thread.
Thank you to those who have posted here.

I recently bought a nebulizer and have been inhaling magnesium with that.
Previously was getting magnesium by soaking in a bath and getting magnesium "oil" massages.
I've found the nebulizer to be far more convenient than soaking in the bathtub or making massage appointments.

Anyone else using a nebulizer for magnesium?

-- Peter
Bangkok

 

[Ennio]

.
Much valuable information on this thread.
Thank you to those who have posted here.

I recently bought a nebulizer and have been inhaling magnesium with that.
Previously was getting magnesium by soaking in a bath and getting magnesium "oil" massages.
I've found the nebulizer to be far more convenient than soaking in the bathtub or making massage appointments.

Anyone else using a nebulizer for magnesium?

-- Peter
Bangkok

I've never heard of using a nebulizer to inhale magnesium but if you're tired of soaking, or the expense of massage appointments, you may also want to consider getting magnesium chloride in a bottle with a sprayer and just give yourself a few shpritzes on your chest and stomach right after a shower when your pores are still open (just make sure you're pretty dry before you put clothes on or they may stain). Taking transdermal magnesium this way is quick, easy, and if you order it from a place like swansonsvitamins.com it's pretty inexpensive. I'm pretty sure they ship to Europe, not sure about Asia though.

 

[Oxajil]

The latest from Dr. Carolyn Dean:

Too Much Calcium IS Bad for Your Heart‏

Fox News puts it in question form, "Could too much calcium be bad for your heart?" citing an analysis from the National Institutes of Health. An survey of almost 400,000 men who took calcium tablets showed that they were more likely to die of heart disease than those who didn't.

Specifically, men who took 1,000 mg (or more) of calcium per day or more were 20 percent more likely to die of heart-related causes than those who took none. Oddly enough, the researchers said there was no link between calcium supplements and heart disease deaths in women.

But Morley Robbins and I reported on a more thorough set of studies in a Natural News article: The Calcium Wars: Magnesium deficiency causes heart disease showing that women are at risk for heart disease when they take supplemental calcium.

What the researchers are not covering is the tremendous amount of calcium in our diet. For example, calcium-fortified orange juice gives you 300 mg of calcium. Three cups is like taking the 1,000 mg supplements described in this study.

I keep telling people to look at the food in their diet and see how much calcium they are already getting. Follow the RDA for the UK and the WHO, which is 500-700 mg per day and you will see how easy it is to get enough calcium to keep your bones happy. What makes bones and your body even happier is enough magnesium along with daily exercise.

The end stage of fatalities from heart disease is the focus of this study, which misses the point of the soft tissue damage done to many other parts of the body by the overuse of calcium. As I've said in previous posts, our body holds onto calcium much more than magnesium. That appears to be because human beings grew up near the ocean where seawater contains three times more magnesium than calcium which meant much more magnesium in their diets. Thus we evolved mechanisms that grabbed and stored calcium but released excess magnesium (the laxative effect). Without understanding those processes we've decided in our unfailing stupidity that we all need to be calcified.

And the results are treated with magnesium-wasting drugs. Here's one brief example. A new drug has been released by the FDA to treat an "overactive bladder." It's called Oxybutynin and it acts as a bladder muscle relaxant.

Here is a partial list of side effects: hives; difficult breathing; swelling of your face, lips tongue, or throat; hot, dry skin and extreme thirst; severe stomach pain or constipation; blurred vision, eye pain, or seeing halos around lights; pain or burning when you urinate; or urinating less than usual or not at all; dry mouth; dry eyes, blurred vision; mild constipation; diarrhea; nausea, mild stomach pain or upset; dizziness, drowsiness, weakness; headache; sleep problems; or runny nose.

What did I say Oxybutynin is? A muscle relaxant? Do you know any natural muscle relaxants?

That's right. Magnesium.