Buddy said:
... Don Juan came closest to explaining what we are doing, I think: we constantly talk to ourselves, thereby continually assembling the world on the fly and we cannot stop talking to ourselves, so we cannot stop assembling this very ponerized world we live and suffer in.
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The concept is this: at a certain point, even if it takes years of practice, when a certain "tension" has been reached, even if for a split second, a certain connection breaks at the weakest link: an "I" which is nothing but a coupling device, making a link between set configurations of one's past, in terms of his knowledge and experience, and the energy of one's body in the present. The coupling is like the assemblage point in Don Juan's system. To assemble a new world, the old one must be decoupled from and a new one coupled with. But that requires an "I" to die so another can be reborn. That's what people are afraid of, it seems.
And wasn't the earlier point by that Youtube video about the 2 "Ones" in that regard of losing one "I" to gain another "I"? One has to die so the other can be 'reborn'.... fear may or may not get in the way, depending upon one's point of view of life, death and the game we call 'reality'. Sooner or later, that 'assembling' or bias generation has to be synthesized into personal choice... following Ra's discription of the Major Arcana and the mind/body/spirit complex of the little "i" being the assembly point for all experience that leads to the little choices that later lead to the CHOICE.... which sets the Joker or Fool free into the unknown... as planned from the beginning with the blueprint for the incarnation... the points meet at the beginning/endpoint of the life. The goal to break free from the self-imposed chains, for the thrill of the experience, within the purgatorial bounds of this domain to grow that little flame into an inferno..well, the biggest flame one can achieve anyway. ;)
BHelmet said:
[...]The irony, to me, is to see all the energy and focus being spent on these movies as though they were real, but they are, after all, Hollywood creations. My own assumption is that Hollywood ALWAYS has an agenda, no matter how "truthful" a movie might seem. What is Hollywood about? Creating illusions. And delivering subliminal messages.
Speaking of creating illusory reality, here is a little history lesson/clue that relates: ...According to Mr. Suskind, "The aide (Karl Rove?) said that guys like me (Suskind) were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' " The aide told Mr. Suskind, "That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."
If I recall correctly, he went on to say that while people in the reality-based community are looking for answers and trying to react to the reality that the empire has created, a new reality has already been created making the previous one irrelevant - something to the effect that those looking for truth are always a step behind and will never catch up as they follow the bread crumbs down the rabbit hole.
As for the matrix - what is being discussed here? A phantasm, a MOVIE - albeit one with some resemblances and parallels to the deeper reality. But why look to a movie for explanations and insights of reality when the movie is actually a product of the illusion creating machine? And while the matrix movie is being discussed and obsessed over, the real reality goes on unseen or unacted upon.
Here in the US of A, what is real? Our mainstream news is fake/lies. Pop culture is full of false programming. Our politicians are fakes and not what they seem. The C's have even said we are the most propagandized people on the planet. To me, the Matrix movies are a part of that, a product of that process. What are the questions at the core of the Matrix? What IS reality? IS there objective reality? The Matrix seems to be saying 'no, it's all the Matrix and each time you think you have awakened it is just another level of the Matrix. Nothing is objective and you are at the mercy of the programmers'.
I have to disagree.
What appears to be objective to me is that we have been plunged into a subjective world, a fake 'reality'. All you have to do is look at all the people walking around with their consciousness plugged into their electronic gizmos. Gizmos that broadcast an artificially created counterfeit reality.
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Of course, Hollywood is doing its part in the Matrix of controlled illusion, especially in the attempt to setup the corral for the sheeple.... command and control at all times is hoped for, utilizing their free will on both sides to keep the game going, as the designers have planned, only there are designers of the designers at many levels, some come to realize this aspect of the game/illusion, while others, such as the supposed aide (Karl Rove) only comes to think that they control this reality and can continue to do so indefinitely like their tortured prisoners down in Gitmo and all the rest of the secret detention centers. All of us participate in this illusion, the question is how many wake up and realize the nature of the game? Has Rove realized that he is being played by others above him? He's just a puppet of the deep state, a puppet of the secret government, a puppet of the alien 'govt', all of which is overseen by yet more entities going up to the reflections of previous endless fools, which are essentially programs themselves, aren't they? A necessary 'evil' to generate the 'game' in the first place?
Isn't the goal for those that become seekers, or Neo's, to break free of the rabbit hole? Not just to no longer need to dodge bullets, but to no longer need the Matrix, a program called Purgatory, that is needed to generate experiences to keep the greater game of the creation going. Some come to realize the nature of the illusion and others only come to an endless self-reflection in the mirror, in the program of their imperial fantasies. Self-delusion is their self-chosen trap, that endless assembling... endless, until they grow tired of the game and come to the same conclusions as those they mocked much earlier on in one of the game's earlier program versions... as Neo when told he is but that latest of a long line of Neo's. I was thinking this is why Neo doesn't tell the rest of the crew... nor that Council of Elders or whatever they were called... there's always one in these programs, a heirarchy, same as in the machine world, none of which seemed to have come to any realization, most of them seemed to be reaching, but not far enough to break free for themselves, they are riding along in Neo's journey. This is the same analogy used in the YouTuber's Harry Potter comparison of 'THE ONE' as well... most of his crew were helpers, assistants in Harry's journey, which in the end, is everyone's journey, as in the end, we are but fragments of THE ONE, the LOGOS, right? which is but a fragment of the ONE CREATOR... as above, so below, each a reflection of the other... in principle anyway, in not in practice.... given what Ra called 'complex', the separation of the mind/body/spirit complex... separation of conscious from subconscious, for greater concentration of attention and experience, bias generation and choice, transformation et al... as we bring our 'gifts' to our deeper self... which is the ONE SELF.
Personally, I think, as the C's mentioned regarding Thor's crew seeking to infiltrate or at least influence the thoughts of those in the creative arts such as Hollywood, most 'artists' don't realize the depths of what they are expressing, the archetypes etc.... when asked, most can only tell you what it means to them, which is true for all of us... our experiences lead to our biases, our choices, transformation and environment in the matrix, which is indeed a program within a larger matrix program, all of which is constantly under surveillance and supervision by aspects of ourselves, generating it moment by moment as we all go together down that rabbit hole of perception... to know thyself, which, in the end, is all Neo, Harry or any hero of the great adventure can do, right?
That's enough warm water from me... and don't forget the salt. ;)