My earliest interest in the scientific study of the text of the Quran was motivated by the writing of the German scholar, Günter Lüling who worked on the text of the Quran and found that several sections showed evidence of being based on pre islamic Arabic Christian poetry. While this early work in many respect have been superceeded by more modern work, it may still be meaningful to bring up links to threads on the forum, where his work and the topic of Islam has been mentioned or discussed:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/threads/cs-session-10-january-2015.36930/post-548855
Revisionist approach to Islamic history from August 2013
Islam from February 2006
About the biography of Günter Luling born in 1928, there is on the inside cover os his book "A challenge to Islam for reformation" first published in German in 1974, with the edition I have, published by Motilal Barnarsidass, New Delhi, 2003:
I tried to look up Günter Lüling on Youtube, which then did not give any useful result except audios of German Wiki texts like
There was also a short German video about a University teacher in Germany who had gotten into trouble, because he dropped out of Islam and had to conclude that he could neither prove nor disprove the existence of the prophet, in fact his predominant impression was that Muhammad did not exist. If any of the German speakers are interested, then the link is
In the youtube they interview both an Islamist and a Christian, and they both hold that people that should teach future theologians to be employed should not teach about the doubtful aspects of the respective religions. I know this video is a case from Germany, but isn't a similar situation present in several other countries?
As I searched for Günter Lüling in one of the above links, I found a quote from the C's which perhaps explains part of what is at stake, at least in France: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/threads/cs-session-10-january-2015.36930/
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/threads/cs-session-10-january-2015.36930/post-548855
Revisionist approach to Islamic history from August 2013
Islam from February 2006
About the biography of Günter Luling born in 1928, there is on the inside cover os his book "A challenge to Islam for reformation" first published in German in 1974, with the edition I have, published by Motilal Barnarsidass, New Delhi, 2003:
In the epilogue, probably written for the Indian edition, he presents some of his own reasons and sentiments about the work he has done. He ends by writing:"After his studies in Protestant theology he took Diploma rerum politicarum, and then PhD in Semantics and Islamics. He was Director of the Goethe-Institut of Aleppo in Syria and returned to university as assistant professor. His PhD with a dissertation about pre-islamic strophic poetry in the Koran was awarded the highest grade "eximium opus".
"It should and will become the task of all the different cultures ready to enter the common community of the global-village-world to find out what has survived in today's existing religious and social institutions of that early moral code and that religious "tribal-democratic" spirit of the time before the babylonian confusion of the languages such that the world might become again united in one spirit able to match the challenges of the future of this planet." (page 521).
I tried to look up Günter Lüling on Youtube, which then did not give any useful result except audios of German Wiki texts like
As I searched for Günter Lüling in one of the above links, I found a quote from the C's which perhaps explains part of what is at stake, at least in France: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/threads/cs-session-10-january-2015.36930/
I don't know if such a scenario is reserved for France, or if it may have repercussions for other European countries, as did the revolutions of 1830 and 1848, but I think the discussions in this thread might help some Muslims and Christians living in Europe to gain perspective and avoid the danger that has not yet come. I have ordered the two books recommended and is looking forward to go deeper into the arguments about the origin of Islam.Q: (L) Basically, you're saying that Israelis are not Semitic, but Arabs for the most part are. Is that what you're saying?
A: Yes
Q: (Pierre) So, the objective is the destruction of Arabic population in France through a civil war?
(L) I would say so, because if you've got the destruction of the Arabic population in France, then there is no support [from outside] for the Arabic people around Israel [and they can be more easily destroyed]. Israel just wants to claim all that land – Eretz Israel, they call it.
A: Yes
Q: (Pierre) Destruction through civil war?
A: Expulsion, camps, similar to the treatment of the Semitic Jews by the Nazis, supported or ignored by the rest of the world.