The official Illuminati website

[Palinurus]

from DizzyHelix
Well. I know about the "traditional" Illuminati-as-evil views but the whole point of that site seems to be to present the opposite side of the coin, that that view in itself is disinformation by those in control, to demonize and marginalize the Illuminati (whom are vastly outnumbered and outpowered). And in fact, that aspect of the articles is compelling enough and makes some sense. Anyway I still don't see what confirms to us that it is really the Illuminati behind that site (or even *which* Illuminati). Your comment about the site being the work of three of their low-level operatives, for example...what makes you think that? And are you saying that the Illuminati is actually in power right now, that in fact they are the Old World Order themselves and that site is simply smoke-and-mirrors? Or that they represent a New World Order that is just as bad/evil as the Old?

The three lowlevel writers have stated as much on their site in several of the articles. So far I don't have any reason to suspect anybody else behind that site. That wouldn't make sense regarding the content of it. But it's not totally impossible that it could be a prank of some sorts - only very improbable I would think.

Take in view that very little can be proved at all in these matters; this organisation is secret and secretive all in one go and will always benefit from smoke and mirrors around it. From their own admission, they are as secretive to outsiders as they are towards their own members and the whole structure of their organisation is poised toward that goal.

Any organisation of some size inevitably develops 'factions' within it who will strive to reach the upperhand over all others. Said website may be an indication of something like that, but it equally easy can be a false projection of dissent - who knows? It should give you pause to think about your own reactions to the articles of that site which seem to you to have some truth in them according to your appreciation of them ("...compelling enough...") without giving due notice to the overall picture around it.

To my mind there is no real 'split' discernable, but there always exist some fierce rivalries in that type of environment. I wouldn't qualify that as "...the opposite side of the coin..." though. But even then it's still just the other side of the same coin - by your own admission!

 

[bronz]

Just try to type ILLUMINATI backwards

put this in the browser and you'll see TRUTH REVEALED

_www.itanimulli.com

Very dangerous agency is behind this


Mod's note: The link has been deactivated.

 

[Mikey]

Just try to type ILLUMINATI backwards

put this in the browser and you'll see TRUTH REVEALED

_www.itanimulli.com

Very dangerous agency is behind this

That's nothing special at all. Everyone can set up his domain so that visitors are forwarded to another domain. In short, it's a hoax. It's just amazing what some people spend their money for.

 

[EmeraldHope]

As I stated in this thread here, http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,18354.75.html , I follow this site from time to time now just to work on my discernment skills, just as Palinurus has stated earlier in this thread.

I have a Gnostic question now though. I finished reading their book titled the same name as their website. It can be found here:

_http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The_Armageddon_Conspiracy.pdf


In the story, the god of this world is bad and is really Satan, the one true god is good. But the solution the hero is going for and pushing the female, which has the convergence of two bloodlines, to make is to totally wipe out the physical world and all of created existence as the final solution.

Brief excerpt here:

‘The rest of you will need to remain on guard out here. If there are any
signs of trouble, don’t hesitate to come in. Otherwise, let me thank all of you
and wish you God’s speed. Providence willing, we’ll shortly meet again in
paradise in the company of the True God, with all of Satan’s horrors
consigned to history, with evil forever expunged from the universe. Blessed
are those who have ended the Devil’s reign of terror. This earth was born in
evil, from the darkness. With one flash of righteous light, the Sin of Sins will
be redeemed, all the jailed souls liberated, the eternal crime expiated.’

Now Laura has commented on the Gnostics and Alchemical concepts which were corrupted by schizoidal psychopaths here:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,22210.msg236680.html#msg236680


This seems to be a different form of Gnosticism. I remember reading somewhere that Laura had said some Gnostics thought all of creation was evil, and this seems to fit that particular group . My question is, which sects were those? Where did they come from? Is this the same schizoidal taint here? I get where the taint is in the dead man on a stick religion and how and where it got corrupted, but this seems totally different. Was this an older pagan form of Gnosticism or is it a different corruption of something? Sadly my background in religions is still lacking. I am more than happy to read if someone can point me in the right direction.

 

[anart]

I don't currently have answers to your specific questions, though I'm sure someone will. Any source of information that espouses an external/hierarchical 'god' is disinformation. I've deactivated the link to this site due to its questionable content, so it would be a huge help if, in the future, you could deactivate any link in your posts of which you are not entirely certain. (We do this so as to not increase google rankings of disinformation sites by leaving live links to them on this forum.)

 

[EmeraldHope]

I don't currently have answers to your specific questions, though I'm sure someone will. Any source of information that espouses an external/hierarchical 'god' is disinformation. I've deactivated the link to this site due to its questionable content, so it would be a huge help if, in the future, you could deactivate any link in your posts of which you are not entirely certain. (We do this so as to not increase google rankings of disinformation sites by leaving live links to them on this forum.)

Dang it. I knew that and I forgot to do it. Sorry, Anart.

I know that that this is disinformation. I am just trying to fill in holes where I still am missing pieces to understand the differences so I can spot them and know why . That is the only reason for this question.

 

[obyvatel]

I do not know the answers to your specific question regarding the historical line of gnostics.
Creation = STS (tending to sleep and contraction ) + STO (tending to wakefulness and expansion)
Laura described this specific "fix the evil in Creation" dynamic as essentially STS - acting in its essence to destroy entire creation to have uninterrupted sleep.

Wherever I read this "fix the evil in creation" idea, I am also reminded of Illion's statement in "Darkness Over Tibet" regarding what he called the most serious spiritual sin of "putting oneself at level with the creator". Greeks called it hubris, and in more colloquial terminology, it could perhaps be called "punching way above one's weight" when seen in the 3D context.

 

[EmeraldHope]

I do not know the answers to your specific question regarding the historical line of gnostics.
Creation = STS (tending to sleep and contraction ) + STO (tending to wakefulness and expansion)
Laura described this specific "fix the evil in Creation" dynamic as essentially STS - acting in its essence to destroy entire creation to have uninterrupted sleep.

Wherever I read this "fix the evil in creation" idea, I am also reminded of Illion's statement in "Darkness Over Tibet" regarding what he called the most serious spiritual sin of "putting oneself at level with the creator". Greeks called it hubris, and in more colloquial terminology, it could perhaps be called "punching way above one's weight" when seen in the 3D context.

Thanks Obyvatal. Darkness over Tibet was an excellent read. I am positive that this is STS, I am just trying to grok gnostics in general. I am guessing by reading further it is all tainted, because it seems to be a reaction to Judasim or Christianity in each instance. So I guess it is not pagan in anyway in that sense, because if it is a response to either, it is already inherently tainted by schizoidals. There just seems that within some of these sects, there is not the dying resurrecting god theme as with alchemy which from my understanding was based on gnosticism, hence my question. I guess I asked my question wrong above in some way, as there is no doubt as to the orientation to me.

 

[obyvatel]

I guess I asked my question wrong above in some way, as there is no doubt as to the orientation to me.

I understood your question as part of your general interest in learning about the details of various modes of STS thoughts and expressions. I do not think you asked your question wrong and I said in the first sentence that I do not have the answer you are looking for. I shared my summarized thoughts on this general theme of "fixing the evil in creation" more for other members who may be reading this thread :)

 

[EmeraldHope]

I guess I asked my question wrong above in some way, as there is no doubt as to the orientation to me.

I understood your question as part of your general interest in learning about the details of various modes of STS thoughts and expressions. I do not think you asked your question wrong and I said in the first sentence that I do not have the answer you are looking for. I shared my summarized thoughts on this general theme of "fixing the evil in creation" more for other members who may be reading this thread :)

Ah- gotcha. I am self conscious about my writing because I do not articulate well sometimes what I am trying to say, especially with complicated subjects where I do not have a fully grounded understanding in some areas. I also am aware it is probably weird to some of you that I know so much about these other groups and their writings and have this interest, so I am self conscious there, too.

My general interest at this point is crossing i's and dotting t's. I spent years researching different groups in an effort to try to build a "defense against the dark arts", if you will. . This started long before coming across Laura's work, and was originally because of my father's association with one of these groups, and the death of my sister, which is possibly related but I'll never know for sure . So sometimes, I get stuck in trying to rectify certain parts against what I learn here. I really do try to not to ask too many questions concerning these things, but it usually sadly where "stuck" comes into play.

 

[Laura]

EH, might want to read: 1) The Other God by Yuri Stoyanov 2) The Hidden Tradition in Europe: The Secret History of Medieval Christian Heresy by Stoyanov 3) Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition by Yates 4) Berossos and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus by Gmirkin 5) Homer's Odyssey and the Near East by Louden 6) The Cosmic Serpent by Clube and Napier 7) The Diluvian Impact by Koch 8) Man and Impact in the Americas by Grondin. 9) Cataclysm by Allan and Delair 10) New Light on the Black Death by Baillie 11) Exodus to Arthur by Baillie

You may find other references that lead off from this core group of books that each approach the problem from slightly different, but complementary, directions.

Have you, by the way, read my articles here:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/160925-Tunguska-Psychopathy-and-the-Sixth-Extinction

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/217194-Witches-Comets-and-Planetary-Cataclysms

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/227222-The-Golden-Age-Psychopathy-and-the-Sixth-Extinction

Where I draw upon the information in most of the above listed books and show how the STS/hermetic/ritualistic approach is a product of pathology. Those who are souled - or potentially souled - who get sucked into it are merely "batteries" that keep an entropic machine running a little longer.

 

[EmeraldHope]

EH, might want to read: 1) The Other God by Yuri Stoyanov 2) The Hidden Tradition in Europe: The Secret History of Medieval Christian Heresy by Stoyanov 3) Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition by Yates 4) Berossos and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus by Gmirkin 5) Homer's Odyssey and the Near East by Louden 6) The Cosmic Serpent by Clube and Napier 7) The Diluvian Impact by Koch 8) Man and Impact in the Americas by Grondin. 9) Cataclysm by Allan and Delair 10) New Light on the Black Death by Baillie 11) Exodus to Arthur by Baillie

You may find other references that lead off from this core group of books that each approach the problem from slightly different, but complementary, directions.

Have you, by the way, read my articles here:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/160925-Tunguska-Psychopathy-and-the-Sixth-Extinction

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/217194-Witches-Comets-and-Planetary-Cataclysms

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/227222-The-Golden-Age-Psychopathy-and-the-Sixth-Extinction

Where I draw upon the information in most of the above listed books and show how the STS/hermetic/ritualistic approach is a product of pathology. Those who are souled - or potentially souled - who get sucked into it are merely "batteries" that keep an entropic machine running a little longer.

I have read the articles above, and The Odyssey is next on my list. I will add the others in. I do understand in general how it is all based on psychopathy and I also understand the ritual aspects, etc. The particular question I had here was due to this being slightly different than the dead man on a stick, dying resurrecting god theme, yet still gnostic, and the fact that some quotes have been used by you from the Nag Hammadi Gospel of Thomas, for example, which I understand to be gnostic. I am sure though, that just like in the bible there are truths present mixed in with lies and you have enough history and knowledge to weed things out. I decided at a very early age that Christianity was not for me and that it was hypocritical, so when I came across your writings and really started to delve into them, I not only had to learn a lot of bible stuff from your writings, but had to get past a lot of programming that was screaming " oh no, not the bible " Thank goodness I stuck it out.

I understand that paleo christianity was far older than say gnosticism, and based on siberian shamanism. Yet some gnosticism seems to be based on a form of Christianity and say they are the original Christianity. It just gets very confusing not having a lot of background on the religious differences exactly there.

Am I in the ballpark in saying that all forms of gnositics were opposed to judaism and christianity and therefore are infected in some way due to it being a response to already infected religions? Or, that perhaps they were also based on truer things and they themselves got infected? I hope my question is making sense. I could be far out in left field for all I know. I'll read the books and hopefully sort it out. I feel so behind sometimes.

 

[Laura]

Am I in the ballpark in saying that all forms of gnositics were opposed to judaism and christianity and therefore are infected in some way due to it being a response to already infected religions? Or, that perhaps they were also based on truer things and they themselves got infected? I hope my question is making sense. I could be far out in left field for all I know. I'll read the books and hopefully sort it out. I feel so behind sometimes.

Okay, couple more books: "The Jesus Mysteries" by Freke and Gandy and "The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries: Cosmology and Salvation in the Ancient World" by David Ulansey.

No, all forms of gnosticism were not opposed to Judaism and Christianity. It would be more accurate to say that Judaism and Christianity (as we know it) are late inventions based generally on literalist interpretations of Gnostic ideas. And gnostic ideas are more often than not corruptions of the ancient "mystery religions". Then, the ancient mystery religions are mostly corruptions of information handed down about cosmic conflict/cataclysm mixed with more ancient awareness of hyperdimensional realities.

It's easy to get confused in all of this without 1) an awareness of hyperdimensional realities and how they interact with ours; 2) an awareness of cosmic cataclysms and how they are related to hyperdimensional realities.

You might also want to read Keel's "Operation Trojan Horse". Anybody who thinks they can perform rituals, bind powers to do their bidding, manipulate reality via sympathetic magick and so forth, are heading straight for the pit of hubris.

But, as Ra once said: "Some love the light; some love darkness." You just have to decide what is your intrinsic state and be whatever you are.

One warning that the dark side does not give openly (such matters are veiled as great secrets reserved only for the advanced adept): those who choose service to self ultimately must give up all potential for loving and being loved freely because the love of the dark side is to eat/assimilate the other. In order to graduate to that position in higher densities, one must increase in polarity in that direction which often includes doing this literally, including eating one's own children. And they are tastier if they do not wish to be eaten.

Think long and hard about that. It is easier to resist at the beginning.

 

[EmeraldHope]

Am I in the ballpark in saying that all forms of gnositics were opposed to judaism and christianity and therefore are infected in some way due to it being a response to already infected religions? Or, that perhaps they were also based on truer things and they themselves got infected? I hope my question is making sense. I could be far out in left field for all I know. I'll read the books and hopefully sort it out. I feel so behind sometimes.

Okay, couple more books: "The Jesus Mysteries" by Freke and Gandy and "The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries: Cosmology and Salvation in the Ancient World" by David Ulansey.

No, all forms of gnosticism were not opposed to Judaism and Christianity. It would be more accurate to say that Judaism and Christianity (as we know it) are late inventions based generally on literalist interpretations of Gnostic ideas. And gnostic ideas are more often than not corruptions of the ancient "mystery religions". Then, the ancient mystery religions are mostly corruptions of information handed down about cosmic conflict/cataclysm mixed with more ancient awareness of hyperdimensional realities.

It's easy to get confused in all of this without 1) an awareness of hyperdimensional realities and how they interact with ours; 2) an awareness of cosmic cataclysms and how they are related to hyperdimensional realities.

You might also want to read Keel's "Operation Trojan Horse". Anybody who thinks they can perform rituals, bind powers to do their bidding, manipulate reality via sympathetic magick and so forth, are heading straight for the pit of hubris.

But, as Ra once said: "Some love the light; some love darkness." You just have to decide what is your intrinsic state and be whatever you are.

One warning that the dark side does not give openly (such matters are veiled as great secrets reserved only for the advanced adept): those who choose service to self ultimately must give up all potential for loving and being loved freely because the love of the dark side is to eat/assimilate the other. In order to graduate to that position in higher densities, one must increase in polarity in that direction which often includes doing this literally, including eating one's own children. And they are tastier if they do not wish to be eaten.

Think long and hard about that. It is easier to resist at the beginning.

Thank you Laura. I did read Operation Trojan Horse already. I just need to understand all of this, exactly. I do understand in a general big picture basis, I'm just trying to get it down to specifics now and exactly how they work which is confusing sometimes as it is so much. Your explanation here is exactly what I was looking for in simplistic terms in regards to the order of where the religions came from .My biggest issue from the beginning of all of this has been lifelong lack of exposure and education.

 

[paralleloscope]

Stumbled upon this "Illuminati Training Video Leaked "
Most probably fake or a plant, but it eerily sums up the PTB machinations quite well, at least to the boundaries of 3d.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr7FJohm68o&feature=watch-vrec