The Politics of Climate Change: Green New Deal And Other Madness
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at the risk of repeating myself: HOW CAN THE DUTCH GOV. BE SOOO STUPID???
A recent summary below sent to me about energy conservation by the CGV. 
Renewable energy was never going to provide cheap energy. People who think it does don't understand how the grid works. The grid has one basic job - to keep the grid running within a frequency range. In grid terms, there is no such thing as a power station. Energy sources are known as Balancing Mechanisms - which is why power stations have BM codes. Demand for energy goes up and down and the grid calls on balancing mechanisms accordingly to keep the grid frequency stable. If they fail, you get rolling blackouts.
Conventional power stations are known as dispatchable energy. You can call on them at any time. To get the most efficient performance it's best to have them running at their optimal thermal output. Only that doesn't happen because the grid is obliged to use wind energy when it's available - so gas stations have to be dialled down. They are then sat there, with all the overheads of existing, but they can't be decommissioned because we can have weeks at a time with little or no wind. Then there are times with below average wind when you're running gas stations, but below their optimal thermal output.
Those losses are directly a consequence of using intermittent energy - and to get a true cost of wind energy, those costs have to be added to the cost of wind. But the statistics never show this. Balancing cost figures do not include the capital cost - and cost of wear and tear of gas stations.
Moreover, the capital cost of windfarms cannot be directly compared with other sources of power. A gas station might cost around £800m, whereas a wind farm will cost less. But that wind farm will need replacing in under twenty years and will need nee pylon and substation infrastructure. It is not cheap to build and the industry believes more than £50bn will have to be added to bills to connect new wind farms to the grid. Onshore conventional power can use existing infrastructure.
Moreover, the cost of wind is not coming down as the industry claims. Renewable energy is no different to conventional energy in that it requires a great deal of rare earth minerals, the price of which is skyrocketing. Only now, we have to ensure that for every GW of wind capacity we add, that there is equivalent backup capacity. That means either new gas plant (because it's the only thing you can build quickly), or rely on interconnectors to import energy from Europe - just as Europe is shuttering its own nuclear plants and the French nuclear fleet reaches retirement age. We have not seen the last of energy shocks.
Consequently, wind is diverting much needed investment away from more reliable and cost effective sources of energy. The £50bn required for new substations and transmission lines form the north sea alone would pay for two respectably sized nuclear plants. The renewables "industry" has consistently lied about the costs and reliability of wind. The more wind capacity we add, the more instability we add to the grid, and the greater the costs of mitigating it - because the system was never designed to cope with intermittency. The more we invest in wind, the bigger the problem becomes, and the bigger the bill to correct it.
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Renewable energy was never going to provide cheap energy. People who think it does don't understand how the grid works. The grid has one basic job - to keep the grid running within a frequency range. In grid terms, there is no such thing as a power station. Energy sources are known as Balancing Mechanisms - which is why power stations have BM codes. Demand for energy goes up and down and the grid calls on balancing mechanisms accordingly to keep the grid frequency stable. If they fail, you get rolling blackouts.
Conventional power stations are known as dispatchable energy. You can call on them at any time. To get the most efficient performance it's best to have them running at their optimal thermal output. Only that doesn't happen because the grid is obliged to use wind energy when it's available - so gas stations have to be dialled down. They are then sat there, with all the overheads of existing, but they can't be decommissioned because we can have weeks at a time with little or no wind. Then there are times with below average wind when you're running gas stations, but below their optimal thermal output.
Those losses are directly a consequence of using intermittent energy - and to get a true cost of wind energy, those costs have to be added to the cost of wind. But the statistics never show this. Balancing cost figures do not include the capital cost - and cost of wear and tear of gas stations.
Moreover, the capital cost of windfarms cannot be directly compared with other sources of power. A gas station might cost around £800m, whereas a wind farm will cost less. But that wind farm will need replacing in under twenty years and will need nee pylon and substation infrastructure. It is not cheap to build and the industry believes more than £50bn will have to be added to bills to connect new wind farms to the grid. Onshore conventional power can use existing infrastructure.
Moreover, the cost of wind is not coming down as the industry claims. Renewable energy is no different to conventional energy in that it requires a great deal of rare earth minerals, the price of which is skyrocketing. Only now, we have to ensure that for every GW of wind capacity we add, that there is equivalent backup capacity. That means either new gas plant (because it's the only thing you can build quickly), or rely on interconnectors to import energy from Europe - just as Europe is shuttering its own nuclear plants and the French nuclear fleet reaches retirement age. We have not seen the last of energy shocks.
Consequently, wind is diverting much needed investment away from more reliable and cost effective sources of energy. The £50bn required for new substations and transmission lines form the north sea alone would pay for two respectably sized nuclear plants. The renewables "industry" has consistently lied about the costs and reliability of wind. The more wind capacity we add, the more instability we add to the grid, and the greater the costs of mitigating it - because the system was never designed to cope with intermittency. The more we invest in wind, the bigger the problem becomes, and the bigger the bill to correct it.
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One can see that over the decades, they demonized nuclear tech and then revised it, knowing the vast profits and potential it could generate within today's starving energy markets.
Oklo plans two plants in Southern Ohio : New Nuclear - World Nuclear News
Oklo and the Southern Ohio Diversification Initiative have signed an agreement for land to host two of its advanced reactor plants in Southern Ohio.
France Plays for Time in Push for Nuclear Power
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This may belong here and a cheap laugh.
Electric scooter explodes while being ridden - pants on fire!
Electric scooter explodes while being ridden - pants on fire!
EU prepares new eco-plans: Many products will be banned as a result
They are going to reduce not just the ecological footprint, farms are not enough.
Ah? How people will obtain hot water?
HOW ABOUT BANNING THE EU??????????????????
EU prepares new eco-plans: Many products will be banned as a result
They are going to reduce not just the ecological footprint, farms are not enough.
Ah? How people will obtain hot water?
the climate hysteria is based on the TOTALLY WRONG ASSUMPTION THAT CO2 IS A CLIMATE DRIVER. IT IS NOT.
OIL IS A RENEWABLE RESOURCE.
OIL IS LIKE THE YOLK IN THE EGG, USED BY LIFE TO PRODUCE A CHICKEN THAT CAN ESCAPE THE SHELL.
how about the creation of an institute of common sense =
XPan
The Living Force
"Best in Test"I always use this phrase in an ironic sense, especially when it comes to Sweden. In this case it is Scandinavian Airlines which out of an old tradition in aviation, again goes out first of all. Or at least, that's what they claim. Insignificant pretends to be significant...
(yes, we are 'best in test' in that regard) Probably a collective complex or something. 
SAS opens seat reservations for its first-ever commercial electrical flight, but there is a catch
On 2 June at 12:00 CET. SAS opens seat reservations for its first-ever commercial electric flight for people living in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. "SAS
www.aviation24.be
Insanity in Ireland.
www.independent.ie
www.buzz.ie
Revealed: €600m budget needed to cull 65,000 cows every year for three years to meet climate goals
Up to 65,000 dairy cows may have to be removed from the national herd every year for three years at a cost of €200m if the farming sector is to meet its climate targets.
www.independent.ie
Agriculture department calls report to cull 200,000 cows a "modelling document'
The number of dairy cows in Ireland has been rising over the past decade despite the amount of methane emissions they produce