The power of the Pendulum

[irjO]

Using a pendulum, when I inquired about how I died in a past life, my throat began to tighten. It was a very unpleasant feeling. Did you also have a physical reaction when you tried to get an answer to "touchy" questions?

Not really! It was a bit of a surprise. It made me a bit emotional because it would make sense with lots of things on the current life. Your case I don’t know if it’s related to how you really died in the past life, since dowsing use our muscles unconsciously perhaps brought back a muscle memory too? I don’t know never heard of that being the case.
Could be also that was your way emotionally speaking, to process information or to express info that you just acquired.

 

[Korzik18]

For sure! And just in case, you don’t need to buy one, you can create your own, for example, I’ve seen people grabbing a key (like a house key) and attached to a rod and it easily works the same, or something similar like that. But if you would like to really purchase one, I would recommend you a metal one, because they can be a bit heavier and an easier to grab. Let me know how it goes!

Thank you, irjO, for sharing your experience. With your permission, I have taken your prayer and questions to use to get started. It is interesting and useful for me to observe your experiment. I bought a metal pendulum (thanks for the advice), it is heavy and comfortable. But so far I can't find free time in my schedule for regular and full-fledged work with him.I noticed that the pendulum does not want to work if I am tired (especially at the end of the day) or feel unwell (headache, weakness) or tense.

Recently, there was a funny case that clearly showed that the pendulum should be used carefully, carefully and not always trusting it, but rather double-checking.
Sometimes I use the pendulum to choose doctors or clinics for treatment. In this case, I choose available options and write them on a sheet of paper, and then use the pendulum. I try not to read reviews about candidates beforehand, but alas, even by their appearance I can already make some assumptions, establish sympathy or antipathy.
Recently, I had to decide where to do an examination with a fundus lens for my son. I chose 3 clinics. It seems to me that involuntarily I immediately preferred one of them inside myself, because it sounded like an EYE, i.e. it was strictly specialized ophthalmological. Others were general medical centers.

At the beginning of the work, the pendulum was most likely connected to the Higher Self, because in this case the connection is very bad, the pendulum swings with difficulty, everything is long and slow. I asked other questions at first and nothing good came out, my arm started to get tired. I decided to end the session with the main question about choosing a clinic for the procedure. And then as if a gateway opened and the pendulum began to swing with a wide amplitude, the answers came quickly and easily. I was immediately alerted to whether I had tapped into my EGO?! And the pendulum pointed to the Eye Clinic. I immediately went to look for information about it on the internet. It was a nightmare. I have never read worse reviews in my life. No person in his right mind would not go there for a procedure or surgery.

In general, in this case it was possible not to use the pendulum, but to use elementary search, logic and reasoning. And it is necessary to improve the mechanism of choice, as well as to practice improving the connection with the Higher Self

But in the end I gave up the idea of going to commercial centers, and decided that it would be better to do this procedure in a state ophthalmological center even free of charge.

 

[irjO]

Thank you for sharing your experience Korzik18, dowsing sounds easy but it is not most of the time, it seems it’s like exercising a muscle, the more practice it will work better, it seems in your case you have to start slowly, and also not make assumptions with who and what you are connecting to.
You can begin with very basic questions, maybe ask questions that you might know the answer to, because the first process which I think is important it’s what it’s called calibration, usually it’s commanding your pendulum on doing this and that.
A lot of people say that the pendulum will tell you what is an “yes” or “no”, I prefer to command the pendulum and let it know what movement will be a yes or not, or maybe etc. in a way I don’t let it “decide” for me if that makes sense, it’s like you are taking control of the situation.
Now, this is another point to take into consideration, I don’t know if using a pendulum would have always the same results for everybody, but if your intentions behind for using it are strong and clear enough, then practice would improve with patience I would say.

 

[irjO]

Thank you, irjO, for sharing your experience. With your permission, I have taken your prayer and questions to use to get started

And No worries! I shared them here for that reason if you or anybody else wanted to try my method. I’m not sure if it’s or not the best way to approach when using the pendulum, but so far it’s has worked. It’s a learning curve anyways.

 

[SummerLite]

What an interesting topic. I'll need to spend time reading the whole thing but for now here are a few comments. I've mentioned several times I've been dowsing for about 20 years. The pendulums that work best for me are metal and my favorite was a copper one until the finish wore off exposing a silver metal of some sort. I've been using the same brass one for at least the last 6 years. A few weeks ago I couldn't find it so ordered another (I've since found the original). What a difference! The answers came very fast and sure unlike my older one which could be sluggish. I decided that the old pendulum must be gummed up with energy so slowing it down. Its resting now and I've placed it in the sun thinking this may help to clear it.

There's always more to learn about this. When I receive an answer that I question, I ask if this is true and can receive a yes or no, so that is one way to check results.

Recently I learned my questions about future events is a no go. I found that this method is helpful in determining if I'm able to get a correct answer to more obscure questions. I ask, "can I", meaning do I have the ability and "may I" meaning do I have permission to know this answer. Thats a new one for me thats worked well. I can/may not know certain things and one explanation for this is the future isn't set but is flowing into what it will become.

The pendulum has worked really well to determine what my vegetable garden needs. Thanks for the thread.

 

[irjO]

The pendulum has worked really well to determine what my vegetable garden needs. Thanks for the thread.

That is awesome! After all this time, I think that by using a pendulum properly, one could bypass conscious mind and its filters and tap into what Carl Jung calls the collective unconscious, a plane where all information and memories gets storage, could be also what’s known as the universal mind too, which I think if we combine those concepts with what the Cs says about what gravity is, makes my think, (and this is only a theory) that the pendulum can connect with information carried by the “gravity” force.

 

[irjO]

As I mentioned previously I'll post the newer sessions so questions and answers can be compared to the previous ones, the pendulum is more conversational, its answers will be in bold and my comments in red, instead of posting entire sessions I'm going to divide it into categories of subjects which would make it less boring I think:

1- According to the pendulum, what is behind some messages:

June 15th
Last session you wanted to give me a message, but the process could not be satisfactory, can you give me the message now?
Yes

Ok, let me get ready, go ahead!
“Idealize that you were used by your wanting to participate, wanting to close the irrational serious and dangerous cycles.”

My God, ok, anything else in that message? [that was a long message, and I was exhausted after that]
No

Ok, ok, give me a moment, I'm tired....

[I usually say ''I'll be right back'' and put down the pendulum to rest my arm then after a couple of minutes writting the notes, I hold it again and it moves right away]

Ok, let's continue, ''closing the serious and dangerous cycles'', do you mean that I had in my past lives some cycles that I kept repeating over and over again?
Yes [interesting if true]

When you say “you were used” do you mean that someone or something used me?
Yes [''Used me'' sounds kinda strong to be honest]

Can you tell by who or what?
Yes

Ok go ahead...

“The masters.”

You mean you or the senior/spiritual masters you have mentioned?
Yes [I really hope its referring in 5th density or something like that instead STS]

Is this something because I asked you/them?
Yes

And does that have to do with the spite and anger and stuff? [Apparently I have failed my mission in a couple of lives and that created a cycle of resentment and anger]
Yes

Is it because I was about to go down the negative path?
YES

And did I ask them for help or intervention in any way?
Yes

Interesting to know that...

In other words, that my true essence or being wanted to change the course of a negative “future” and I asked them to help me in this life to close those cycles?
Yes

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April 29
Okay, I guess the same as when I pray, to always look for a truth or receive messages from my teachers, right?
Yes

Well, I can't promise you anything. [I was looking for things to improve any type of positive spiritual connection. if that were possible and some medical and diet advices were given]
You don't know what you are asking me....
Yes

It wasn't a question! Ok? [I laughed at that]

Is there anything else you want to tell me?
Yes

Ok...
“You have to pass the exams”

Huh? You guys are driving me crazy today, is that message correct?
Yes

What do you mean I have to pass the exams?
Ah! Haha because you are my teachers or ''professors''?
Yes

Okay, so it's like I have to pass the ''tests'' right?
Yes

In order to achieve a greater bond or communication or whatever?
Yes

You don't know what you're doing to me this afternoon... [I was kinda joking and playing along here]
Yes

It wasn't a question! You have a sense of humor there too, don't you?
Yes

And you get my jokes too?
Yes

Well, pretending you are me, and I am you in another reality or part of my mind, it makes sense.... [I felt my fingers pulsanting again after saying that]

What happened? Do you have a message about something you want to tell me?
Yes

You're chatty today... okay, is it just a word?
No

A phrase?
Yes

Tell me?
“Love”

Love? There you go again, [It's not the first time the message ''love'' is spelled, and I'm not a fan of it]
Love like in this process?
Yes

Love in these messages? [Because it told me that before]
Yes

Oh! Right, it was one sentence and I interrupted you, sorry, ok you said love, and what was the rest of it?
“For you.”

Ok, how awkward! [Even if something good is communicating through that I would still feel awkward, again not a fan]

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April 20th
[This was a little session with a vague curiosity, wanted to see what pendulum answers regarding spiritual realms]
As I was transcribing yesterday's session I came to the thought and just to clarify a few things, you mentioned that there are two different groups in the zone of contemplation, one is your guides and there are your higher selves as another group, something like that?
Yes

Ok it occurred to me that perhaps many believers or Christians who claim to be in contact with god, or who feel like ''god'' are in some way communicating with their higher self right?
Yes

[I also have asked previously if the same sceneraio happens with something negative and it has said also yes]

Ok I figured that could be a mix depending, but now there is the next detail, many have reported what one would know as angels, we already know that angels is a purely biblical concept, anyway, although they are not angels per se with wings and stuff although if that is what you are familiar with and maybe that is how they are perceived... anyway, what I am getting at is the “Angels” are the guiding beings? I mean, that same group?
No

Ok, there is like a hierarchy, isn't there?
Yes

And that hierarchy depends on the level of consciousness that you're at, I guess?
Yes

Ok, and we have the ''masters of my masters'' that are in sixth density, right?
Yes

Those are what we could consider as “God” and the Angels would be like the role of our “higher self”, although those in 6th are also us in the future, but you understand me. [I made lots of assumptions I know]
Yes

Is that so?
Yes

Ok and it happens that some depending on their state of consciousness, level and what you want to call them if they could see their higher self in contemplation correct?
Yes [Nothing special on this session, this information I already kinda know it, so it could be just a part of my mind answering my conscious mind]

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[I changed the intro a little bit and wanted to see if spells the answers from the beggining]
Is there a connection here?
Yes

With whom, or what, am I communicating?
“Your masters.” [In Spanish is more like ''teachers'' the word masters in English sounds stronger but is the literal translation]

When you say masters, do you mean higher or spiritual teachers?
Yes [So it says]

Will today's messages come from my subconscious mind?
No

From my ego?
No

Ok, are you prepared for my questions today?
Yes

Were you giving the messages from the last session I had with my family? [meaning as the same source]
Yes

And was there interference in the messages as well?
Yes
[IMPORTANT: I think this is crucial to know, the same as a spiritual board, the pendulum wasn't a fan of kids around, my nephew who is a teenager was curious, and he entered the room and approached while I was using it, and it didn't want to move much, I asked it about it, and it says is dangerous, I let my nephew know to never try this, and he left the room, the session was with my mom and older sister present, and it was working fine, my brother-in-law then came into the room and then my dad, and it wanted to spell ''others present'' and then answers weren't clear I just stopped the whole thing]

Is it because there were so many thought patterns that night?
Yes

Would a person sitting near me while using the pendulum interfere with the answers?
Yes

Ok, so I would have to be careful when I use the pendulum and if there are more people nearby?
Yes

[To this point, not sure if using the pendulum with more than 2 people around would be advisable, at least for communication purposes]

Ok, now the type of pendulums... is it true that the material of a pendulum would serve better depending on what you want to do with it?
No

Let me ask this way, for looking for objects or water, would it help better depending on if I use some kind of material in the pendulum in specific?
No

If I ask personal questions, would the type of pendulum material I use have an influence?
No

In other words, the material of the pendulum does not have much meaning, but the person himself?
Yes

In other words, everything depends on the person's food and the connection he/she may have with the pendulum?
Yes

Interesting ok. This month is the presidential election in Venezuela, is there a high probability that Maduro will win or there is a high chance?
Yes [Not surprised]

If he wins, will they try to assassinate him?
Yes [Not surprised again]

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The latest one, I'll post it complete:

July 17th
Well, are you ready for the questions?
Yes

Who or what am I connecting with now?
“Your teachers.”

When you say teachers, do you mean spiritual teachers? [I repeat sometimes my question to test accuracy]
Yes

Meaning, what one would consider to be the higher self?
Yes [So it says. True or not, who's to say]

Do I always connect with you every time I use the pendulum?
No [would make sense]

If I do not communicate with you, what would the pendulum tell me it would communicate with?
“Unconscious.”

Is the unconscious you just mention, the same as what Carl Jung in his book that I just started reading not long ago, what he calls the collective unconscious?
Yes

Is it like an information field present all around us or mind where memories and data are stored?
Yes

You call yourselves ''teachers'', even though it is an obvious question, is it for the dynamics of teaching and guiding your lower selves I guess?
Yes

Ok, if I ask you what would be the one thing that I would be failing the most or that I have not paid attention to in this life, would you tell me? [testing question]
No

If I ask them for a hint?
No

Well, I tried.

At the very least, could you tell me something that I should be prioritizing right now?
Yes

Wow! Tell me!
“Walk more.”

[I hated that answer LOL, jokes aside, I always had present in my mind I need to excersice more so again one wonders if this comes from my subconscious, but again, isn't uncouncious mind using the subcouncius to move my arm so the pendulum can move?]

Noo why did you tell me that? How many minutes a day would you recommend?
35

Argh, I really need more willpower if I work at home and... what? Do you want to tell me something? [Fingers pulsation feeling]
“You know anyway” [For the first time I felt as it scolded me for some reason]

Yes, yes, I know, the human body is not designed to be stationary for a long time.
Yes

Ok well...

Now, going back to the question of the teachers, do you have some kind of mission or something in guiding or teaching your lower selves? [Assuming that I'm communicating with that, that is]
Yes

What would that mission be?
“To look at the omnipresence.”

When you refer to looking at omnipresence, do you mean looking at/guiding all the units of your same souls spread throughout the omnipresence?
YES [It was a big yes]

Ok, I understand that, but what is the actual goal in looking and watching over your lower levels of learning?
“design missions”

Was that ''design missions''?
Yes

In other words, is your goal to make sure that every unit of consciousness from density 1 through 4 learns the lessons, and you create or help create that lesson plan for your lower selves? Is that it?
Yes

Interesting, and my mission will be to get there in that position to do the same thing at some point someday?
Yes

Okay. In my way of perceiving time in some other life in my “past” did I communicate or am I communicating with you?
Yes

And in the way I perceive what we call the future, it happens or will happen too?
Yes

Okay, well before we disconnect, is there anything else you would like to convey?
No

Ah! Does the walking thing have to be every day? Haha
No

OK! How many days a week do you recommend?
5

I mean, at least you gave me the weekend off!
Yes [Lol]

Indeed, there has been sessions I asked if I was connected to my subconscious, and it answered yes, there were others when I asked and told me unconscious but not spirit guides or teachers.

The last part of the previous session brings me to category 2 - Health related questions:

Ok, Today we are exactly or almost halfway through this year, and it has been a crazy year so far, will it go to intensify?
Yes

How fun! Let's suffer then! [Sarcasm]

Ready for my questions?
Yes

Ok. tell me about alcohol, Lol that's my first question.

Joking, my first question is, is alcohol really negative for me?
Yes

But I mean, compared to other people or most people?
Yes

I was already figuring that out, but having a drink of alcohol is THAT harmful?
No

I mean, you mean not getting drunk and stuff?
Yes

Okay, is soju better than beer?
No

Is it because of the amount of alcohol in soju?
Yes

What about whiskey, is whiskey better than beer?
Yes

Ok, let's break this down. Would soju be better for me than whiskey?
No

Vodka?
No

So if I drink something, it would be preferably whiskey?
Yes

[Every Friday night I used to have a glass of something, either whiskey, soju or wine, I eliminated that, last time I drank was when visiting my family and even though it was only one glass it did not feel good after, at all]

Okay, but not to the point of getting drunk either obviously, understood. [I forgot to ask about wine, I would save that question]

Back in May:

Sorry for this late, quick session, although only me perceives time.

Should I worry about any type of cancer for now?
No

What about in the furute?
Open

Should I worry about my skin?
No

I have a little wart or mole on my arm that was there for months, but it seems increased it size, do you know what it is?
Yes

Is it dangerous?
No

Are you sure??
Yes [It's a little bit embarrassing, but I tend to worry too much about physical stuff or sickness]

Here, look at it! [I moved the pendulum on top of where I had the wart, and it moved on circles, its funny as in my mind I was thinking that the pendulum can ''look'' if I approach it to the area... me and my stupid thoughs]

So, to make sure, should I worry about that?
No

Well, I'll make the appointment with the dermatologist anyway. If you diagnosed it, what do you think it is, first, could you do it?
Yes

Ok, what is that??
''Dermatitis''

Dermatitis can look like that??
Yes

[I was googling the symptoms too, to see if any image can look like it and one did but I wasn't completly sure about it]

We'll see! Thanks for calm my mind a bit then, but I'll wait for the results.

[And it was TRUE, the dermatologist not even made a big deal about it, I was anxious to know what was that and dermatologist did a little biopsy of it and the labs results came after saying that it was nothing, mostly symptoms of seborrhea or dermatitis, and then it came the huge bill that the insurance did not cover completely, I was upset to say the least, I mean thank god it was nothing, but on the other hand I wasn't going to trust on a pendulum for medical advice, to this day I may think: Was that a lesson of faith? But no! Because I need to be also aware, however from now on, I would pay attention more to what it says, but thats about it]

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Ok, now let me ask about vaporizers, I bought one, would it be more positive for me compared to smoking cigarettes or pipe?
Yes

Is it better for me to smoke a pipe than a cigarette?
Open

Is cigar smoking better for me than pipe smoking?
Open

Ok, it's a matter of me discovering my limits with nicotine...
Yes

Well, about nicotine, the likelihood of a smoker, and I think I already know the answer to this I clarify, but a smoker has little chance of developing Alzheimer's or senile dementia?
Yes

It's because of the nicotine helping to create neural connections and all that stuff, right?
Yes

Ok, if I have never smoked a cigarette or anything else in my life; would there be a higher chance of me getting Alzheimer's? [My grandma passed away because of Alzheimer, so I know it runs in my family]
No

But I have those genes that could develop the disease?
Yes

They are just not regulated or active?
Yes

Ok. Well, it's a concern I've always carried since my grandmother suffered from Alzheimer's...

Now let's play a game, since you are self called ''teachers''; and I am a good “student”? From 1 to 20, how would you rate my level of experiences in what I have learned to this day, would you give me a grade? [Curious to see if it goes along with it]
Yes

Let's see, how much do you give me?
16

Was that 16?
Yes

haha well I did better than my grade when I was in school....
Yes

Hahaha It wasn't a question! But thanks! [That really made me laugh]

Now with this supposed cosmic shift that the planet will go through, one's life... assuming this is happening, let me ask the basics first, in your opinion or vision, is there a cosmic shift coming to the planet in the next decade or decades?
Yes

And would it be true that in this current life, I would live much longer than I had planned or thought in my mind to live?
Yes

Well, ok, what about my direct family, parents, sisters?
Yes

Okay... well, we'll see! Now, changing subject, I have a possible job proposition... I know it will be up to me whether I get the job or not, but what are the odds, If I get it would I do well in?
Yes

Is there a good chance that I will get it?
Yes [Still in the open, I'm waiting for it, so lets ''wait and see'']

Would it be a good experience for me to manage people?
Yes [Of course it would be, not just me but to anyone]

Ok, well, we'll see how it goes!

I think we covered the questions I had in my mind for today, is there any message or recommendation for today that you want or can give me?
Yes

Is it more than one word?
Yes

Ok let me get ready, let me know.
''Take keatine'' [No idea what it meant by that]

What was that? Keatine?
Yes

K e a t i n e? [Spelling the words slowly to make sure I read it correctly]
Yes

Or did you mean Keratin?
No

Creatine?
No

So it's keatine?
Yes [word was 'Keatina' in spanish]

What the hell is keatine? Let me see...

I didn't find anything with that name, is that word in Spanish?
Yes

You got weird already... does it have an English name?
Yes

Tell me the name in English!
''Melatonin''

Ahhh melatonin? [In spanish is melatonina, so still no idea about the other name]
Yes

And where did you get that melatonin is called keatine? But I already take melatonin, you mean take more?
Yes

Increase my dosage?
Yes

I am taking one pill, would it be good to take two instead of one?
Yes

Before going to sleep?
Yes

During the day?
No

Ok... well thanks for the messages and recommendations, you can disconnect now! until next time!

[I followed the advice, I was afraid I was going to feel drowsy the following day, to my surprise I had a really good night of sleep and woke up feeling NOT sleepy at all, which I wasn't expecting at all]

Anyway, thanks for reading all this, that's I'll be posting about my pendulum and sessions I had, so far to this day I don't know what to make about all this experiment, now, do any of you have suggestions? Questions I could do to test it and try it? Like I said; I barely use it now, at least 2 times a month and the sessions I didn't post were kinda not interesting, they are based on dates about past lives and things like that.

One of the experiments I have in mind is to tell one of my friends or family member to hide an object and practice and try to find it with the pendulum or something like that. Also, teach it with the meaning of each Tarot cards to see if I can do a ''divination reading'' with the pendulum pointing to a specific major arcana with the board I have (which contains all major arcana images).

I don't know, I'm open to test a suggestion someone can provide to me and see how it goes. I'm still immersed in new books about it, and the pendulum itself has told me to growth in knowledge or seek more knowledge about this process.

 

[Ketone Cop]

That's interesting, your pendulum told you to exercise too! Now I'm doing yoga and exercises to strengthen my abdomen, and the pendulum also got me off of most dairy and pork. Also getting more roughage. And I've lost 25 pounds, back to my peak weight!

I use the pendulum almost every day to get input on my healing journey, so almost entirely for health reasons. When I try to ask other questions about things going on in the world it often just sits there and does nothing. It does tell me when I need to research more on certain subjects, and it also gives me much better answers if I meditate and exercise first. It has instilled a "routine" for my entire well being so I'm getting clearer on what questions to ask, and also I'm getting much more concise so I don't waste their time or energy.

As for other experiments I'm not sure what else to suggest. I did personally get an answer that I should not answer questions for others. No one beyond this website knows I even have a pendulum; I keep it close to the vest. I can ask about other people though, and using a pendulum I found my best friend has a similar problem as mine (hernia) so my research was useful for him too.

I'm still not beyond yes and no questions; I tried to get answers using a letter board and a tape recorder for me to say the letters that came up but it didn't work - I need a better machine. The way I use the pendulum (with my other hand underneath it) means I can't really write down anything easily. Maybe I'll experiment with single word answers.

BTW sometimes I get a lot of interference and it's hard for the pendulum to move. I've found having orgonite and shungite next to me often helps with the reception. Maybe other crystals will help too.

 

[irjO]

Thank you for sharing Ketone.

That's interesting, your pendulum told you to exercise too! Now I'm doing yoga and exercises to strengthen my abdomen, and the pendulum also got me off of most dairy and pork. Also getting more roughage. And I've lost 25 pounds, back to my peak weight!

Good! As I suspect, this basically could be your deep subconscious telling you what your body needed.

I use the pendulum almost every day to get input on my healing journey, so almost entirely for health reasons. When I try to ask other questions about things going on in the world it often just sits there and does nothing. It does tell me when I need to research more on certain subjects, and it also gives me much better answers if I meditate and exercise first. It has instilled a "routine" for my entire well being so I'm getting clearer on what questions to ask, and also I'm getting much more concise so I don't waste their time or energy.

Here is the thing, and that can be part of the ''be aware'' by the Cs; Using a pendulum to communicate with another part of your mind depending on the intentions you have behind it. Consulting it every day to measure something or just to consult daily, lead to dependency on the medium. For the most, I think here you maybe are not learning more than you already did from the experiment and usage of the pendulum. It could help to assist and clarify our thoughts when in moments of confusion or similar is that is your intention behind. It could help you bring memories or messages from your own mind to the light. But it's our conscious mind that needs to do the work, not the instrument to do it for us.

I'm still not beyond yes and no questions; I tried to get answers using a letter board and a tape recorder for me to say the letters that came up but it didn't work - I need a better machine. The way I use the pendulum (with my other hand underneath it) means I can't really write down anything easily. Maybe I'll experiment with single word answers.

Perhaps is the reason why the results haven't grown bigger than just yes or no, perhaps that's only what you needed as a help or assistance. What I mean by this, is that conscious mind needs to do the observation, in your case could be medical only, and learn from it, not depend on the pendulum to measure it for us.

At some point, pendulum gave me the message that I needed extra help because of my slow learning on things, perhaps is that true? Maybe that's why it moves very easily for me from the beginning? I don't know. Does that mean I have sort of an ability for it? I really doubt it, but if I take into consideration that I needed an ''extra help'' for some things or lessons, then it would make sense, maybe you are better situated to learn things in your life, and are a faster learner than I am, and for that you don't need that ''extra help''? These are speculative questions that I don't have the answer to.

Maybe you might ask what if I want to communicate with my higher self? And that's a valid question, but what have you done about it? Have you been praying, meditating, doing breathing exercises, become more aware of our reality? There is so much implying here. Look how much it took for Laura to connect with the Cs... and yes, I know there are cases where other people connected with higher positive realms easier, but that's rare and not common.

So, am I really connecting with my higher self? Well, I have no idea to be honest. There has been good answers and good advices thorough it, but also our subconscious is really, really smart and maybe that's the link I'm establishing there and nothing more.

So be carefully on the dependency of your pendulum, it is not the object itself, the crystals or anything you could be doing to improve the messages, from what I have learn so far, nothing around would help a pendulum to move faster or be more accurate, but It's you what does that, sometimes one needs to do the work (not saying that you personally need to do it, but I'm referring in general). And if you don't work on yourself or the lessons/programs you might have, diet and grow in knowledge of our reality and what type of information could the pendulum be transmitting to you, then most likely that's all you could get from it. Think about it.

 

[irjO]

Hello, I mentioned before that I wasn’t going to post more type of communication session with the pendulum, however 2 days ago something strange and curious happened.
I was sitting on my chair after having breakfast and I was holding my vape and then I felt like some spasm or pulsations on my hand, more on my fingers, similar to a scene when a person is on a coma and then the person regain consciousness, begins waking up very slowly and the fingers of the hands begin to move.

Something like that was happening, my fingers were like moving because of little muscle spasm. I felt that before but I always thought that’s my nervous system doing something like when you get goosebumps that you move or shake involuntary, so I didn’t give importance.
Anyways this was like 3rd or 4th time happening, but this time around the image of the pendulum came to my mind and I remembered that usually when having a session with the pendulum, that sometimes I feel that pulsation feeling on my fingers and it’s a message about to be given.

So, this time around I felt that in my fingers so I put the vape on the table, grabbed the pendulum and had a little session right immediately:

Hello? Anybody or anything connected?
Yes

Do you have a name?
No

Am I connected to my subconscious?
No

Who or what am I communicating with?
YST (Your Spiritual Teachers) it abbreviates now to waste less energy

Spiritual teachers?
Yes

I know this is weird, but did you somehow call me or my unconscious mind did?
Yes

Is that why I felt pulsations or spasms in my fingers all of a sudden?
Yes

I mean, it happened to me before and I never paid attention to it because I thought it was just something from the nerves in the hand in conjunction with the muscles, you know, a regular spasm, but this time it kind of came to my mind the pendulum all at once, because it was the same feeling when I'm in a session and it wants to give me a message.

Ok so you "called me" is because there's a message I’m guessing?
Yes

Well, tell me!
"You have to exercise." (Again…. With the reminder)

I guess you mean I have to exercise more often, right?
Yes

Hmmm ok ok, anything else?
Yes

Ok.
"Take care of yourself." (I felt a bit guilty)

Was that I need to take care of myself? (I asked to confirm because it can have another meaning in Spanish)
Yes

Okay... well thanks for letting me know!
Now that I'm doing this session let me ask you... (I got interrupted)
"Wait"

What happened?
"Message"

Ok, Tell me
"Stop wasting time." (Ouch)

Oh God ok, today you are nagging me through the pendulum, if I am communicating with spiritual "guides or masters" that is, by the way, I still have questions about that, now that I’m here doing this, but let me ask you another one first, for starters, I have a question about the vaporizer, I have.... (got interrupted again and pendulum started to balance itself to the word ‘wait’)
"Wait"

Wait?
Yes

What happened now?
"Message"

But Jesus!!! Today you really won't let me ask my questions... ok tell me!
"Don't forget to pray"

Ok, about that, is it like you have to repeat over and over again the intentions to the universe?
Yes
(Now reading it back, I think it said that because I didn’t pray right before using the pendulum like I usually do)

Wow, well, ok tonight I’ll do it before I go to sleep with the meditation, I guess that's also includes meditating isn't it?
Yes

Ok fine, I will do the whole thing... this is all weird let me tell ya, can you really do that? like move my fingers or give me signals when you want to transmit something urgent?
Yes

I feel like this is coming directly from my subconscious, are these messages being sent to me by my subconscious? (I think that was the case)
No

Any part of me?
No

Well, this is something new! And I had felt it before like 3 times, I wonder if that would have been what was happening before but this time the idea of using the pendulum kind of "clicked" in my mind. Anyway, can I ask my questions now?
No

Huh? But what... is it because there is another message?
No

So then.. I can't ask questions in this session?
No (this is a first)

Why not? So this session was just to tell me those things?
Yes

What if I ask you a question by force? Will you answer me?
No

(Laughter) This is unheard of. I've been told to exercise in the past but this is another level, well ok I'll do it now as soon as I'm done here, ok? (I did exercise after)
Yes

I guess these are recommendations or suggestions, right?
Yes

Ok, did you see? I asked you questions and you answered me!

No answer * neither any movement

I feel like you're not too amused by that joke right now, well well it's ok, actually I thank you for this reminder and push to get me to exercise! I don't need an Alexa to tell me how that I have my ultra dimensional Alexa.

No movement *

Not a wiggle, definitely no in spiritual fun mood today. Well anyway, if there's no more to ask or pass on, then thanks for everything, happy evening!
"Bye!"

End.

Not much to get from that little sessions besides the fact that it basically “scolded” me and didn’t let me ask questions, although scolding was my interpretation, it could just very well be direct reminders, could be also a indirect way to let me know “not to rely on it much?” When not wanting to answer me my questions, As for the fact of asking about everything? Definitely noted.

Anyhow, I transcribed this session between yesterday and today btw.
The overall information it gives me, it’s leading me to think that perhaps the idea of some people about using pendulums to talk to your guides could be very well valid.
I feel that there is a distinction of different sources, pendulum tells me is “the teachers or masters”, to me masters could be anything from a spirit guide to a 4D or 5D entity, could be an attachment too but somehow I have yet receive a message that could sound suspiciously STS, but I haven’t read anything yet.

I think the only thing was like 2 months ago, I was thinking on what to ask during a practice session and it told me “not to ask the same questions over and over and to have faith” and I was like “I need to know who or what I’m communicating with” and for that, to test the instrument, I from time to time repeat the questions to keep track of it! I mean I could understand its point since I transcribe my sessions but It kinda annoyed me.

I maintain myself on guard for any type of subtle manipulation, I think also that doing EE regularly and praying before using pendulums really can improve the dowsing ability, meaning letting the universe know your intentions.

The only thing or question I always had in my mind was; why a pendulum could be safer than a spirit board if both can work similarly by muscle and subconscious movements?, I said to myself “well why don’t I ask a pendulum directly about it?” to test it and see what can it can answer about that. And I did (part of last month session):

Okay what about a normal spirit can communicate with me through the pendulum?
No

And the spirit guides can?
Yes

Why? Is it because they have some different level of consciousness or ... (interrupted to give me a message)
"Capacity."

That was capacity?
Yes

You mean in the sense that they have the capacity to do it?
Yes

With a pendulum and also through a spiritual board?
Yes

And the normal spirits through a board?
Yes

And the masters or teachers?
Yes

Ok, now I think the question that interests me the most is, if using a spiritual board the subconscious moves the planchette also or at least contributes to it, and the pendulum is also moved by the subconscious to move the muscles and arms, is it the same system behind?
Yes

And yet with one, one can make connection with almost everything of the spiritual and non-visible realm and with the other one you cannot.
Yes

So the million dollar question is, what is it that makes one possible and the other not? Hang on! Before you answer me, let me give you my theory; my theory is that the predisposition is different using one to the other, with the pendulum one is mentally predisposed to communicate either with their spirit guides or with a part of their intuition and ego, with the spiritual board one already has the predisposition by the design of it, to communicate with something outside of oneself, is it something like that?
Yes

Okay is there more to it than my theory?
Yes

Ok tell me.
"Adaptation and dedication"

Anything else?
"Unity"

Well it wasn't the answer I was expecting... but I think I understand what you mean. Let me see if I can figure this since I can’t get paragraphs from a pendulum… By adaptation you mean that the instrument of the spiritual board was adapted and created with precisely that scope no?
Yes

It was originally devised in some hyperdimensional realm and brought to us? (Or at least the inspiration to build it originally)
Yes

Ok, precisely to adapt oneself by using one to establish an easier communication, on the other hand the purpose of the pendulum was not devised for it the same way, it was to be used, at least in many ways, for different purposes, understood.

With dedication it is precisely to be used for their different purposes, and develop it with time, and the use that one gives using one in comparison to the other, something similar to my theory that I told you then.
Yes

Ok now, the unity, that if I don't understand it well, the word unity is subjective to many things, there can be unity between... I don't know how to explain it, let's go to the base of the concept. A unity (in Spanish also could mean unit) is a connection between a factor A and a factor B that produces a kind of synchrony either energetically or physically and also it is a word that indicates something that can be measured, you are referring to the first concept?
Yes

Ok, if we go by that then I understand that it is a unity between the person that starts the communication and that entity that is external to the person, correct?
Yes

The unity is established with the connection?
Yes

Okay I can vaguely make sense of it, anyway let's leave it at that for now.
Can I ask questions of universal type predictions?
Yes

Okay the Yellowstone volcano has a high probability of erupting in the next two years?
Open

Let me ask you this way, can you have a percentage probability that it will erupt in the next two years?
Yes

Ok, what percentage of probability would be?
"46"

Uff almost half, well....
I think that's all for today, ah! And before I say good bye, I wanted to thank you for your accurate answers in the last sessions. (It predicted accurate personal events) Anyway, thank you very much and good night!
"Goodbye"

True or not, it’s interesting. At the end, it all could be only my subconscious mind. Who knows.

 

[nortkee]

I just wanted to express my gratitude for all of your posts about pendulums, irjO. I have always felt drawn to this sort of thing but only very recently have I decided to DO something about it.

I appreciate you describing your process and providing examples. I feel much less overwhelmed by the concept, which is a good start.

So thanks!

 

[irjO]

I appreciate you describing your process and providing examples. I feel much less overwhelmed by the concept, which is a good start.

My advice from what I have learned during all this, is be patient, and don’t rely much of its answers, if you would like to use it for communications purposes that is.
You can get useful answers many times from your intuition and a part of you that is not conscious, but when you think all it can give you is truth, then you are already persuaded by it and there won’t be any useful advancement in practicing dowsing when it comes to asking questions.

Another thing to consider as I mentioned before, although it can work for everyone, it won’t work the same for everyone, for some it works very well as finding tool instead of using it for communications, for others as a quick “decision maker”, and for me so far works well communicating but hasn’t work well finding stuff. That’s why the part of being patient it’s important. Dowsing it’s like exercising a muscle too, it improves when you practice it.

Edit: Wanted to add that while doing this we may always have an open mind to anything, for example that last session I posted when I felt involuntary movements in my fingers, could have been also dehydration symptoms or magnesium deficiency, I disregarded the later since I always take magnesium but I realized I hadn’t drink water on that day so, instead of giving it a “divine” picture it could have been only a body function reacting to something, who knows!!

 

[happyliza]

My advice from what I have learned during all this, is be patient, and don’t rely much of its answers, if you would like to use it for communications purposes that is.
You can get useful answers many times from your intuition and a part of you that is not conscious, but when you think all it can give you is truth, then you are already persuaded by it and there won’t be any useful advancement in practicing dowsing when it comes to asking questions.

Another thing to consider as I mentioned before, although it can work for everyone, it won’t work the same for everyone, for some it works very well as finding tool instead of using it for communications, for others as a quick “decision maker”, and for me so far works well communicating but hasn’t work well finding stuff. That’s why the part of being patient it’s important. Dowsing it’s like exercising a muscle too, it improves when you practice it.

Edit: Wanted to add that while doing this we may always have an open mind to anything, for example that last session I posted when I felt involuntary movements in my fingers, could have been also dehydration symptoms or magnesium deficiency, I disregarded the later since I always take magnesium but I realized I hadn’t drink water on that day so, instead of giving it a “divine” picture it could have been only a body function reacting to something, who knows!!

I think you are maintaining the right attitude and also trating this as an experiment, as Laura did with the C's, keeps you grounded and open to all possible occurances.
You really had me so that I just could not stop laughing, thinking laughing is good for the soul lol. It was when you took the pendulum to your wart and asked IT to 'look' at it,
I just had to let my daughter see the funny side too as we both know my son reads and answers our written questions prior to us even mentioning them.
I was interested in the difference between seance and dowsing because you also use a board. I did buy a different type of board on Amazon, but hope it is not one that has the wrong energies. Without a board it isnt so useful for learning when you need sentances.
Regarding dedication and intention I was thinking that my intention would also be to have a method that I could start understanding and using for if we can no longer have the benefit of the Forum should we all be unable to connect to the Forum for any reason.
I also had my right index finger spasm a lot a few days ago. But I put it down to hitting the 'enter' bar contiually whilst researching on my laptop. But good to know if urgent contact CAN be made if necessary, even if in your case it was because you were not heeding their advice to exercise!
The melatonin also is good advice because DrK says take up to 200-400mg when needed and as protection against these 'viruses'.
I do appreciate you posting your sessions as I learn quite a bit from them too. And it also helps 'solidify' the learning on mothod of questioning (which we have just covered in our Mediumship book studies). Not a bad idea to read the book as part of your experiment either as exceeding good advice given.
Thanks again for sharing x

 

[irjO]

I think you are maintaining the right attitude and also trating this as an experiment

One have to, if you want to engage in any type of communication with something else, even if it could be another part of your mind. But let me tell ya, have I been surprised by its messages many times? Indeed… even with my skepticism.

Let me give you an example: 2 months ago I purchased my vaporizer online and a week after, I received the notification that it was delivered, I went to my mailbox and it wasn’t there!! It was empty. Took a pick on looking some front doors of the neighbors in the building I reside, and nothing.
Waited a day because sometimes it can happen that things gets delivered with a delay, but in this case, nothing.
I went to the post office and they were looking for it for an hour and they said it was definitely delivered, I was frustrated but I thought then either the delivery person somehow kept it, it was stole from him or it was delivered to the wrong mailbox. Since I can’t look into other mailboxes cuz it’s against the law, I only hoped the person who found it would give it to me if that was the case.
I decided to ask the pendulum, on that day it told me it was connected to my unconscious mind and nothing else (not teachers or whatever) I asked if it was really delivered, it says yes, I asked if it was stolen, it said no, asked if it was delivered to wrong mailbox, said yes, then I asked if the person would return it to me and it said yes. I asked if it will be in that night and I said open.
3 weeks after I though pendulum had it wrong all the way since nothing happened, to my surprise someone nocked on my door and it was the neighbor downstairs who said they delivered a little box to his mailbox but it was for me, I thanked him very much for returning it to me, and I was like “damn it the pendulum was right, again!” Lol

So, things like that I have no answer to, it predicted Venezuelan presidential results accurately too. Although I noticed that future predictions are difficult for it since timelines changes constantly and I realize that it’s better to ask in probabilities terms.
I prefer to use the Tarot cards for better advice and representation of future scenarios.

You really had me so that I just could not stop laughing, thinking laughing is good for the soul lol. It was when you took the pendulum to your wart and asked IT to 'look' at it.

Yeah, I felt stupid afterwards, but when I get into “panic” mode for health related things I overthink on stuff too much.
Even if it’s an experiment and I’m asking questions, sometimes I like to joke a bit, and the funny thing is that it responds to my jokes (sometimes), at the beginning, the 3rd month I think I asked, can you make me laugh in any way? I wanted to see the limits of what it can do, the thing started to move in BIG circles than it slowed down then it moved in big circles again, and then I laughed and asked what is it doing?? And I realized it did made me laugh even by doing silly or simple things. Another time I asked to it if I was stubborn, and it answered me with a big Yes!

I was interested in the difference between seance and dowsing because you also use a board. I did buy a different type of board on Amazon, but hope it is not one that has the wrong energies. Without a board it isnt so useful for learning when you need sentances.

If it’s available where you live, buy the boards on Temu, they are the same and you can get them cheaper. At first, didn’t trust on Temu store but so far I haven’t had any issues with them. Regarding the bad energies, don’t rely much on that, unless it has like “satanic” symbols or similar things on it which I saw like a couple of those, and I have no idea if it would influence on something or not, but you never know. I really recommend you to let the universe know or do a pray for that matter so you can voice your intentions before using it.

The melatonin also is good advice because DrK says take up to 200-400mg when needed and as protection against these 'viruses'

And it really helped me, to my mom it recommended her to consume more rosemary for her issues, so far all good, although I’m still curious about one thing, I asked it one day if there was another thing that can help my nervous system or way to improve the communication, it said to use cannabis 2 times a month, I took it as a red flag on that session, because cannabis for me, could be a problematic drug. Then the next session after that, I asked for clarification on that, and the message I got was to not use it or thinking on it as plaster thing or mentally as wanting to be high, but if I get to take it, to mentally see it as imagine it healing my nervous system. I did research and cannabis can do in many cases shut bad neurological connections and help with any depression or cognitive issues. I did not follow this advise however because I don’t think I need to go there. But it stuck in my mind, the way pendulum said it, it was really random and somehow I didn’t like that advise. Even if it can help somehow.

So, it it’s what it is sometimes, that is why I mentioned not to take everything that it says as 100% truth whatsoever. Even if you could be really communicating with your spiritual guides or 5D self in some other cases, we still have to use our critical thinking and do the work ourselves.

 

[happyliza]

Last night I was reflecting, and I thought that if it is higher entities or whatever connecting with you, rather than you being the one evoking, that it was a big red flag to me. As I felt that it was breaking our free will.
However, I dwelt on it a long time and went through my own scenarios with spirit communications and realized that my family in spirit make contact with me and my family alot!
In fact if there is something urgent that we need to be aware of they flash our lights like mad, and I am also aware of dreams and messages I receive mentally that are not of my current thought processes.
So although we need to be aware and mindful of such red flags, I feel it was harmless and about your health anyway.
Plus my spirit family also have fun teasing the cats and giving them house exercise lol. Which I know is my brother.

Plus my son whisked a small box containing a necklace out of my daughter's hand when she was opening it at xmas from her boyfriend. It landed under the xmas tree and she had it on video as he was recording her opening the many layers of the huge parcel. They broke up shortly afterwards quite acrimoniously, as he was so controlling. This wa my son's way of letting her know the gift was not sincere and he was up to no good.

In fact there are many occasions I can recall when we have been contacted, via many many methods. That is - both of my sisters, my mum my daughter and I. We know they look out for us and have said so.
But this has built up over many years.
So at the beginning I would be cautious anyway, though you seem to be having a good rapport. As you noticed not all communications are good, and you are aware of this and take everything with a pinch of salt.

Also re health problems I am sure you are aware that our mind and sub conscious play a huge role in manifesting that which we fear or think about. Especially such illnesses that we fear most! So it is always prudent to keep away from such thoughts. Research and finding remedies etc is a positive path, but dwelling on anything akin to a near phobia is not helpful. I am sure you know this but you mentioned above of this tendency.
Dr Klinghardt:

• Chronic illness can be heald by ~30% with the current available pharma stuff. You can only get 100% healing when you give other energies the permission to to act. Chronic illness is mostly made by your brain.