The pyramids at Giza

[Ricardo]

( sorry for not being more explicit @axj , timed out to edit it , remember years ago , Mr. Jim Marrs , stating that there were tunnels criss-crossing the plateau , and that the Egyptian military and others had already been through them , they should appear in this , presumably if the tech is sensitive enough )

 

[axj]

Since these claims include structures at the ground level of the Khafre pyramid (similar to several King's chambers), there was actually a muon scan (cosmic rays) that was done in 1970 from inside the only accessible chamber below the center of the Khafre pyramid:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6097071_Search_for_Hidden_Chambers_in_the_Pyramids

Apparently it did not cover much of the ground level though:



While these supposed new findings claim that there are these King's chamber-like structures at the ground level - some of them pretty close to the center apparently:



The 1970s scan found nothing inside the Khafre pyramid in the scanned area.

 

[Cosmos]

The Italian version of the conference will apparently be published in less than 3 hours from now:

While the spokeswoman says in the comment section that the English version will follow after it:

Dear friends,

Thank you for your patience and enthusiasm! We know many of you are eagerly awaiting the English translation of our latest conference on the recent findings at the Khafre Pyramid. We are pleased to announce that the Italian version will be publicly released today, March 23rd, at 21:00 CET. The English version will follow shortly after. We also want to express our sincere gratitude for the incredible support you are giving to the Expedition channel. Your engagement means a lot to us!Stay tuned, and we look forward to sharing this important content with you soon.

Best regards,
Nicole Ciccolo

 

[Martina]

Looking forward to see the conference. I'm not sure how all of this will be accepted in the mainstream archeology, I'm not familiar with the rest of the team but Corrado Malanga was/is a UFO researcher who was investigating and treating people from psychic parasites from hyperdimensional reality.

 

[axj]

The Italian version of the conference will apparently be published in less than 3 hours from now

It looks like the video of the conference was already published yesterday (all in Italian):

The video summary does not add much, especially regarding the question whether they will try to get their research published and peer-reviewed or not:

Innovative Discoveries Beneath the Giza Plateau: A Revolutionary Research Project​

In a recent press conference, Nicole Ciccolo, the communication head of the Kefen research project, welcomed accredited Italian press members to unveil exclusive results from a groundbreaking study. This innovative research was made possible by a collaboration of experts in historical archaeology, science, and technology, including Professor Corrado Malanga, engineer Filippo Biondi, and Egyptologist Dr. Armando Mei.

The Research Team and Technology Used​

The research team utilized Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) technology combined with a new methodology known as Dobler tomography. This advanced technology allows for the conversion of photonic radar information into acoustic signals, enabling the exploration of buried structures deep beneath the Earth's surface. The team has made unprecedented discoveries located under the Vizza Plain, particularly around the Giza Plateau.

Methodology and Findings​

The innovative research began several years ago, focusing on the Great Pyramid of Khufu. The team employed SAR technology from approximately 680 kilometers above Earth, transforming light into sound vibrations. This method allows researchers to visualize ancient monuments in a way that traditional methods cannot, revealing structures that were previously thought to be non-existent.

Key Discoveries​

1. Unprecedented Structures: The research revealed five significant structures beneath the Pyramid of Khafre, previously dismissed by Egyptologists as mere empty stone. These structures include vertical shafts and rooms that suggest complex architectural designs.
2. Three-Dimensional Imaging: By conducting multiple tomographies from various angles, the team constructed a detailed three-dimensional model of the findings. This model illustrates the intricate layout of the structures, including two large boxes measuring approximately 80 meters on each side, located at a depth of 648 meters.
3. Potential for Further Exploration: The findings indicate the presence of a vast underground network, possibly a city, at depths reaching 1200 meters. The research suggests that these structures may have been built long before the commonly accepted timeline of ancient Egyptian civilization.

Implications for History​

The implications of these discoveries are profound. The research challenges the established timeline of ancient Egyptian history, suggesting that the pyramids may not have been constructed as early as previously thought. The presence of sophisticated structures at such depths raises questions about the capabilities of ancient civilizations and their understanding of engineering and architecture.

Theories and Hypotheses​

The researchers propose several hypotheses regarding the purpose of these underground structures. Some suggest they may have served as storage facilities or even as part of a larger industrial complex. Others speculate that they could be linked to ancient myths, such as the legendary Hall of Amenti, which is said to contain knowledge and wisdom from ancient times.

Future Research Directions​

The team emphasizes the need for further exploration of the Giza Plateau. They advocate for a comprehensive scanning of the area to uncover more about the structures and their historical significance. The researchers believe that understanding these findings could lead to a significant rewriting of history.

Conclusion​

The Kefen research project represents a significant advancement in archaeological methods and our understanding of ancient civilizations. By utilizing cutting-edge technology, the team has opened new avenues for exploration and inquiry into the mysteries of the Giza Plateau. As they continue their work, the potential for groundbreaking discoveries remains high, promising to reshape our understanding of the past.

 

[axj]

The Italian version of the conference will apparently be published in less than 3 hours from now:

It looks like this video (published today) is the full video of the conference and is almost 4 hours long, with a lot more graphics in the presentation.

 

[axj]

Another Cayce reading that may be quite relevant to what could be below the Khafre pyramid:

One thing I did not notice before in Cayce's readings is that he talks about a "Pyramid of Records" in Egypt close to the Sphinx, while calling the Great Pyramid the "Pyramid of Initiation". So I though that maybe the "empty" large Khafre pyramid next to the Great Pyramid (and the one closest to the Sphinx) might be the "Pyramid of Records" / "Hall of Records". Except that all investigations so far seem to show that there are no large rooms inside that pyramid, though there seem to be large undiscovered chambers below it.

The last link in the quote is this pretty down-to-Earth video discussing the scan results in and below the Khafre pyramid in the 1970s:

In addition to the muon scan of the Khafre pyramid in 1970s, there were acousitic soundings done below this pyramid by the Standford Research Institute (SRI, famous for its remote viewing history) in the 1970s. They discovered two chambers 20 and 30 meters below the pyramid:



Though both of these scan results (inside and below the pyramid) from the 1970s do not seem to line up well with the new claims:



On another note, even Joe Rogan weighed in on these claims a couple days ago (he is a fan of Graham Hancock, of course). He didn't say much, other than that Graham Hancock told him that Zahi Hawass told him that it is all nonsense.

 

[axj]

Zahi Hawass seems to be lying, which could give more credibility to the claims of this team:

Dr. Zahi Hawass, a renowned archaeologist and Egypt's former minister of antiquities, promptly called the claims "completely wrong" and "fake news."

"The claim of using radar inside the pyramid is false, and the techniques employed are neither scientifically approved nor validated," he told the National.

There's a 'vast underground city' below Egypt's Giza pyramids, scientists' wild theory claims — but experts debunk it as 'fake news'

Researchers claim they've discovered the legendary Halls of Amenti in a "vast city" beneath Egypt's Pyramids of Giza — a wild theory that has perplexed archaeological experts who dismiss the claims as "fake news." Italian and Scottish scientists...

www.sott.net

The team did use the same techniques for their 2022 paper which was peer-reviewed. Zahi Hawass saying that "the techniques employed are neither scientifically approved nor validated" seems to be an outright lie.

The crisp images of what they think is there seem to be an exaggeration though, as it seems impossible to get this kind of detail from those grainy scan images.

 

[Tycho]

He didn't say much, other than that Graham Hancock told him that Zahi Hawass told him that it is all nonsense.

Zahi Hawass is the last person i would trust when it comes to ancient Egypt and the Pyramids. He knows that the official "Khufu" dating is fake.

 

[Windmill knight]

I would so very much like this to be true, but the more I think about it, the more it seems to me that it doesn't pass the "is it too good to be true?" test. (As the rule goes, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.)

I mean, if anyone had developed a technique that allowed to scan underground from a satellite up to 2 kms deep, that would already be mind-blowing - let alone that there are artificial structures going at least 648 m deep! I'm not sure people realize how deep that is, but as irjo showed in a graph, that could hold the entire Empire State building and way more.

I knew there were some techniques used by archaeologists to detect stuff or empty spaces underground, but as far as I know they could 'see' perhaps a few dozen meters or so, and not with great resolution. Here we are talking about 2 km into earth, from space and with great resolution! Really?? That would be the kind of tech that the world secret government would not share and kill for if leaked, I think.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[axj]

The neutral-to-skeptical assessment of the SAR scan claims by the Ancient Architects channel:

Summary:

Analyzing the Khafre Pyramid SAR Scan and Claims of a Lost City Underground​

The recent claims of man-made structures beneath the Khafre Pyramid, based on synthetic aperture radar scans, raise significant scientific and logical questions. While the technology used is credible, the interpretations of the data suggest either noise or natural geological features rather than the existence of a lost city.

The Claims​

The assertion that there are five unopened man-made structures inside the Khafre Pyramid is staggering. These structures are said to resemble the arrangement of the King’s Chamber and relieving chambers found in the Great Pyramid. Furthermore, the claims extend to eight vertically aligned cylinder-like structures that purportedly extend through the limestone bedrock for an astonishing 648 meters each, complete with winding stairways leading to two large cubic structures measuring around 80 meters on each side. To put this into perspective, the Empire State Building stands at 443 meters tall, making these claims seem even more extraordinary.

Initial Skepticism​

Upon first hearing these claims, skepticism is a natural response. The idea of such massive structures existing beneath one of the most studied archaeological sites in the world seems implausible. However, skepticism alone is not a valid argument against scientific claims; thus, it is essential to explore the science behind these assertions.

Understanding the Science: Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR)​

The technology at the center of this discovery is known as synthetic aperture radar (SAR) Doppler tomography. SAR is a real scientific technique used to create 2D and 3D images of objects and landscapes. It operates by sending out pulses of energy and recording the reflected energy to detect unseen features. While SAR has been used in archaeology, its effectiveness in penetrating deep into bedrock is questionable.

Limitations of SAR​

Critics argue that SAR primarily measures surface features and is not designed to detect deep underground chambers. One user on social media pointed out that microwave reflections from SAR can only penetrate about one meter of limestone bedrock. The researchers involved in the Khafre Pyramid study, however, claim they are modeling subsurface voids based on micro-motions detected at the surface level. This raises questions about the validity of their interpretations and the reliability of the software used to analyze the data.

Questions and Concerns​

As the discussion unfolds, several critical questions arise regarding the interpretations of the data:

1. Scientific Transparency: The researchers need to provide detailed information on how they transformed SAR data into 3D models. Transparency is crucial for gaining acceptance within the scientific community.
2. Comparative Studies: It would be beneficial to see comparative studies conducted in similar geological formations without known archaeological features to validate the findings.
3. Geological Context: The researchers must explain how they ruled out natural geological features, such as caves and faults, as explanations for the detected anomalies.
4. Historical Context: The idea of constructing a lost city near the Nile River raises questions about the practicality and historical context of such a project.
5. Previous Scans: The absence of similar findings in past scans, such as those conducted in the 1960s and 1970s, needs to be addressed.

The Interpretation Dilemma​

The leap from detecting micro-motions to concluding the existence of giant man-made structures is significant. The interpretation of the data as evidence of a lost city raises concerns about the scientific rigor applied in this study. The geological conditions at Giza, characterized by faults and fissures, could easily account for the anomalies detected by SAR.

Conclusion​

While the technology behind the SAR scans is credible, the interpretations of the data suggest that we may be looking at noise or natural geological features rather than man-made structures. The extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the scientific community must demand transparency and thorough validation of the findings. Until then, skepticism remains a healthy part of the discourse surrounding this fascinating archaeological inquiry.

 

[axj]

A couple interesting comments under this video:

My problem with the SAR scans is not that they show all these unknown structures...it's that the scans don't show any of the KNOWN structures. Where is the grotto? Where is the well? I'm pretty sure those structures are there because we have detailed drawings and photographic evidence. But they are not detected in any SAR scan I've seen. So that's a big strike against the credibility of these claims.

Someone who watched the full 4 hour presentation in Italian:

I'm kind of in the middle on this one, and awaiting more data. I watched their whole presentation in Italian, which I can understand reasonably well. The basic science behind this seems plausible to me, although there are questions I have about it, like the orbital time needed to generate the synthetic aperture would seem to preclude measuring micromovements. But they seem to have tested this on a few locations, and claim to have been able to find known features, such as a physics lab under the Gran Sasso (1400 meters deep), and a tunnel under the Alps. They also claim to have predicted the presence of the newly discovered "chamber" in the Khufu pyramid, before the Scan Pyramids project did so. So, unless they're just making it all up as a hoax, it seems that the technology has potential for being useful for this kind of exploration.

Having said that, I also got the impression that they're getting a little ahead of their skis. It's a new technology and we don't understand its limitations. In particular, we don't understand what kind of noise it's susceptible to. Given that they're measuring microvibrations, I'd think they'd need long exposures to drown out normal activity like trucks driving by. There's also the problem that each image isn't really interpretable independently. This is something he explained at the conference. The value of each pixel is influenced by what's in front of it, behind it, and even directly beside it. So you need to looks at lots of them, from different vantage points and focal depths, in order to make sense of them. He didn't really go into how exactly they were doing this, although I can speculate on what a software program to do that would look like. But I got the impression that they were doing it manually. Lots of useful technology is susceptible to false-positives and false-negatives, and it generally takes a while to understand how to navigate that.

I tend to think that grandiose announcements like this are two-edged swords. On the one hand, it gets a lot of attention for their work, which poorly-funded independent researches like this would otherwise not be able to generate. On the other hand, it also kind of sets them up for failure, as at least some of their claims are likely to not pan out, which might result in the entire technology being dismissed.

Let's wait and see what they publish next. They're apparently going to make a more thorough presentation in a few weeks. I'm not convinced yet, but I'm also not as dismissive as a lot of people are. I'm more like, we just don't know enough yet to make an informed judgment.

 

[Alejo]

Have not watched it, but I noticed that Redacted was talking about it.

 

[irjO]

Have not watched it, but I noticed that Redacted was talking about it.

I just watch it, the person in the interview doesn’t deny the research discoveries, but he mentions what it’s already discussed before which is that this investigation is already mentioned first time back in 2022, and is not new, he just open the question of why discussing it now?

He also thinks that we won’t get much more information about it or the PTB won’t allow for more information to be out of this, so perhaps this is the only thing we would get about it. He then mentioned the sound waves technology and open the questions about how the world could have been more connected in the past than we thought, and the similarities about different pyramids around the world.
Also that pyramids could have been used for healing, free energy most likely among other faculties.

 

[axj]

I just watch it, the person in the interview doesn’t deny the research discoveries, but he mentions what it’s already discussed before which is that this investigation is already mentioned first time back in 2022, and is not new, he just open the question of why discussing it now?

I think a lot of people confuse their 2022 pyramid scan paper with the current new analysis (I did initially too). The 2022 paper does not include any underground scans and certainly not structures going down 600 meters to 2 km.

Someone who is being interviewed on this topic should at least be aware that these are not 2022 results that are "suddenly being talked about now". And that the 2022 paper was peer reviewed while the new claims are only being presented in conferences so far.