The Science of Reincarnation

[JeanSchemit]

Robert Monroe never talked about "reincarnation traps" or anything similar, as far as I know. And what he did was not remote viewing, but astral projection (out of body experiences).

You're right, he's having out of body experiences, not RV, but he do mentions rings surrounding earth, these rings are described as energy structures in the nonphysical planes that encircle the Earth and is populated by non-physical entities (my guess the reptilian & co). He also talks about non-physical entities extracting negative energy from human aka "loosh" (those are parts of the reincarnation trap theory) but since he never really mentioned the term "reincarnation trap" I would gladly edit my previous post to remove his name but I can no longer do so due to this forum's limitations, however, even without Monroe's name, the general idea of my previous post remains the same.

Remote viewing itself can be accurate or it can be complete fantasy, eg. the remote viewers see what the 'tasker' who gave them the target expects, believes or imagines.

I agree with you, but we're talking about different groups who don't know each other and yet come to the same conclusion. I think that's food for thought.

The C's also never mentioned anything like "reincarnation traps".

Does somebody asked? Even if someone asked, how accurate will be the answer?

I find that people on this forum are quick to respond “The C's said [...]” as if it were the Ten Commandments written in stone, a final and non-negotiable answer, but do you remember when the C's said the RA material was ~64% accurate and it was considered good, now how accurate are the C's? (and how accurate is that 64% statement). I'm not saying this to discredit the C's, I just think we have to be cautious with channeled sources (even with the C's).

@whitecoast I will read those books, thanks for the suggestion.

 

[axj]

You're right, he's having out of body experiences, not RV, but he do mentions rings surrounding earth, these rings are described as energy structures in the nonphysical planes that encircle the Earth and is populated by non-physical entities (my guess the reptilian & co).

No, what he described was the astral plane of the Third Density here - basically where people go to in the 'afterlife' between incarnations. He never mentioned meeting reptilians as far as I know, but he did meet other non-humans in the astral.

I agree with you, but we're talking about different groups who don't know each other and yet come to the same conclusion. I think that's food for thought.

Are you sure that they don't know each other and that they did not get this idea from the same sources? They could be remote viewing the same fantasy while mistaking it for reality.

I find that people on this forum are quick to respond “The C's said [...]” as if it were the Ten Commandments written in stone

I think you are quick to assume that people here take what the C's said as the "Ten Commandments". I simply pointed out what they said and I am well aware (as probably everyone here) that according to the C's themselves the transcripts are not fully accurate.

There is a small chance in my view that something like these "reincarnation traps" may exist, but I think it is more likely disinformation or fantasy. Neither Monroe (who extensively explored the 'afterlife'), nor Ra, nor the C's ever mentioned anything like this.

 

[axj]

No, what he described was the astral plane of the Third Density here - basically where people go to in the 'afterlife' between incarnations.

Though according to the C's and Ra people eventually go to 5D after death, so it is not quite clear whether Monroe observed only the astral plane of the 3rd density or went above it. Nor is it clear how accurate astral perception is in the first place.

There is something that the C's talked about that may be similar to these "reincarnation traps" (or not), an EM grid that was constructed around the planet by the 3D/4D consortium for various purposes:

July 18, 1998

A: The planet has been enshrouded with EM grid.

Q: (T) Are these the ley lines?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they artificially generated?

A: Contoured.

Q: (L) They are artificially contoured. What is the result of this shrouding?

A: Manipulated for use by 3rd/4th Consortium.

Q: (A) What kind of EM grid? (L) The natural EM grid is being contoured...

A: Like a gently waving geometric "blanket."

Q: (T) Is it on the surface of the planet, through the planet, or where?

A: Above.

Q: (J) Do microwave towers factor into this?

A: Indirectly discovered by same principal. [person?]

Q: (A) Who is this principal? A name? (T) The gravity waves, whether they exist or not, are a controversy, yet they are part of the UFT, and someone already knows how it works. Therefore, it is only controversy to those who don't know what the answer is, and it is not a controversy to those who know. They know what it is and how to measure it and how to use it.

A: Of course.

Q: (T) So, it is only a controversy that is allowed to be. (L) Or created. (A) Some power is used to sustain this grid. What is it?

A: Land and space based generators.

Q: (T) What can it be used for?

A: Multiple uses.

Q: (L) Well, what are the top three, for example?

A: No "top three."

Q: (T) Just an example, give us an idea? How does this affect us?

A: Broaden concept.

Q: (T) Can this grid be used by other objects as a power source? (J) Can it be tapped into?

A: Net.

Q: (L) It is a net that traps things?

A: Broaden.

Q: (L) It is a net that...

A: Calculates...

Q: (J) Internet? (T) Is it like a big fence to keep us in?

A: You are dancing on the 3rd density ballroom floor. "Alice likes to go through the looking glass" at the Crystal Palace. Atlantean reincarnation surge brings on the urge to have a repeat performance.

Q: (T) The Atlanteans who have reincarnated are getting ready to do the same thing they did before with the crystals. So, this is an Atlantean type thing that is being done now? Different equipment, but the same type of thing?

A: All lessons must be learned before you can move onto bigger and better things.

Q: (L) Is that a general statement about the Atlanteans repeating the lessons, or that once we learn this lesson, we can move onto bigger and better things in counteracting this grid?

A: All that is present and future too.

Q: (T) Well, maybe it is a defensive shield that has been put up to protect us since we have monkeyed with the ozone so much...

A: No. Better to contemplate and meditate. No linear thinking please, you know better.

Q: (J) I think they just slapped your hand. (A) I want to ask if there is something that we can and should do about this grid for ourselves?

A: Why? To know was all you need.

Q: (A) Well, it was said that this was for the purpose of control and manipulation. So, knowing is all that we need. Or, we could try to shield... (L) But, to know IS the shield. I don't know how that works, but it seems to be so.

A: Yes.

Q: (A) Now, how did we come to this grid from UFT?

A: Grid construction represents application of...

 

[Weontv]

Reincarnation traps can't exist because the assumption here is that you are able to lie to the universe. The systems of nature that are in place are designed in such a way that they will exist and permeate all of reality regardless of what entities are trying to manipulate them. They exist for all densities as well.

Its like saying these negatively polarized entities somehow "got one up" on the universe and figured out a way for these laws to be bypassed/broken and wound up being able to not only take away someones free will, but also override the universal mechanisms that protect each soul. Absolutely impossible.

What can happen, is you are influenced by forces that make you choose to do X Y or B, and the result of those choices polarize you a certain way, and eventually if you are effected by enough of this influence and make the right configuration of choices, you inevitably wind up recycling back to third density, not in some sort of punishment, but to balance the karmic implications of said choices. Why there are groups of 4th density beings doing this at all times on this planet, and is part of their feeding ritual. All of this is covered quite heavily in the Ra transcripts.

This is why the third density is the density of choice, why every soul has free will, and why the "silver cord" exists, which is a direct connection to the 7th density, which bypasses all other forces involved to protect each soul as it grows through the densities. It is an impenetrable force, and so is free will. These laws are crucial to our experience here.

One of the issues with these kinds of things is that people have their own perception and are trying to relay that. People who know almost nothing about how the universe works can astral project. Then they come back with their interpretations of how things are or what happened.

It is why I always use the transcripts as a foundation for information processing. Anything man-made can be considered a far more corruptible and/or distorted version of information and needs to be cross referenced to what 6th density beings are providing us. It doesn't mean the C's are infallible, but so far we can evidently see that the information in the transcripts lines up to reality quite well and they are certainly on a completely different level.

I think people who have this view of reincarnation traps feel like they are here against their will, which isn't true. The idea that we are all imprisoned here in this endless cycle of suffering completely fails to grasp the actual meaning behind existence. In fact I would say that this alleged phenomenon feeds right in to the STS desire to have us all kept here for eternity and is an example of how they can manipulate information to steer you a certain way.

Why would I actually learn and grow when we are just living in a prison anyways? I am not a distorted being, I was trapped here by an outside force, etc. It skirts personal accountability, which is a very common theme in all of these philosophies and resembles nature of a very human origin.

Thats the way I see it anyways.

 

[JeanSchemit]

No, what he described was the astral plane of the Third Density here - basically where people go to in the 'afterlife' between incarnations. He never mentioned meeting reptilians as far as I know, but he did meet other non-humans in the astral.

Like I said in my previous post, he talks about non-physical entities and it's me who assumes it's the reptilians. I could be completely wrong but at least we agree on the "non-humans in the astral". As for the rest, I'll maintain my point of view.

I also asked Grok about the rings, just for you:

 

[axj]

Like I said in my previous post, he talks about non-physical entities and it's me who assumes it's the reptilians.

Humans after death or between incarnations are also non-physical entities.

I also asked Grok about the rings, just for you

I am well aware what Monroe said about these astral rings around the Earth. And nothing in what he described suggests that there are such "reincarnation traps", more like people getting tangled up in physicality and karma and then needing a lot more incarnations to untangle themselves.

 

[JeanSchemit]

Humans after death or between incarnations are also non-physical entities.


I am well aware what Monroe said about these astral rings around the Earth. And nothing in what he described suggests that there are such "reincarnation traps", more like people getting tangled up in physicality and karma and then needing a lot more incarnations to untangle themselves.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, just step into the light and enjoy.

 

[axj]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, just step into the light and enjoy.

The psyop may be all about getting more people to become earthbound spirits by refusing to step into the light that takes them to 5D. I have no idea why you trust a couple of remote viewing sessions that much, instead of what seem to be much better sources.

And the passive-aggressive tone does not help either.

 

[Nienna]

@JeanSchemit have you read the book Life Beyond the Veils?

In that book, and, actually, some others, about life on the other side of the veil, reveals different spheres of transition from higher forms of awareness. This sounds similar to what Monroe is describing, at least to me it does. And the Cs have said that there are levels of awareness in 5D that we all go through as we expand our awareness and learn our lessons.

As for going into the light; Laura helps souls who have been confused and stayed earthbound, she guides them to the light and helps them transition to 5D. Also, if you read through the sessions, going into the light at death is indicated to be a good thing. The Cs have said that the light we seen at the end of the tunnel is a glimpse of 7D. And the Cs have said that light is a good thing.

So I'll stick with what Laura and the Cs say that we should go into the light at death. Those who are trying to get you to not go into the light may be the ones who have nefarious purposes.

And, yes, being passive-aggressive does not help any conversation along at all.

 

[Wandering Star]

So I'll stick with what Laura and the Cs say that we should go into the light at death. Those who are trying to get you to not go into the light may be the ones who have nefarious purposes.

I think that is the obvious intention.

Because... who searches for and reads this kind of stuff?

Therefore, they are stones in the path, so that the seeker does not advance.

In one session, a question was asked about someone who had died, and the Cs' response was something like "stuck."

Now, if it's about belief, let each person believe what they want. It's their choice.