The Situation In Germany

[Ursus Minor]

We can only hope that the election next year will go in the same direction, unless they ban AfD, but it might be that in that case people might simply switch more to Wagenknecht party? Or perhaps the Germans simply elect CDU again (as they already did, they did score high in local elections), as opposed to SPD, as it usually goes in countries that have 2 longstanding dominant parties. I guess we´ll see.....

Supposing there will be a federal election late next year the results will be nowhere near those we have just had in the East.

Reality will only dawn on the West Germans once they have lost their call money accounts, their jobs, their ability to travel to Spain, and their cars (following a major middle east war with gasoline prices tripling).

Emergency laws could become effective and elections would regretfully have to be postponed.

There is no use in hoping for any outcome in the elections as long as the political system is owned by those behind the curtain.

In a sense there actually are free elections in Germany, but nothing can come of it as long as those casting the ballots are mentally and cognitively unfree...

 

[Nienna]

i would like to emphasize: the utter green nonsense. this is wrecking the country. i am flabbergasted the people do not oppose the green's fantaisies.

It is not just Germany, but the whole world. When you consider that there are still so many people who only watch/read mainstream media you can see how they would support this. They cannot see the lies being said to them because they believe in their chosen authorities. They are the authoritarian followers. They prefer to not think for themselves, but to let their authorities think for them. It's actually very sad, but it is what it is.

 

[Ryan]

It is not just Germany, but the whole world.

Is that really the case, though? Or just in the West? I think the Russians, Chinese, Indians and Iranians, as well as many other countries in the "Global South" are highly skeptical of the 'Green Agenda'. Sure, they have their authorities as well, but they seem to be paragons of wisdom in comparison.

 

[axj]

Is that really the case, though? Or just in the West? I think the Russians, Chinese, Indians and Iranians, as well as many other countries in the "Global South" are highly skeptical of the 'Green Agenda'. Sure, they have their authorities as well, but they seem to be paragons of wisdom in comparison.

Unfortunately, the BRICS seem to be on board the "green" agenda of CO2 reduction and CO2 trading - at least that is what their Kazan meeting manifesto says. It also includes most of the other globalist agendas, so much so that there is hardly any difference to the West.

 

[Nienna]

Is that really the case, though? Or just in the West? I think the Russians, Chinese, Indians and Iranians, as well as many other countries in the "Global South" are highly skeptical of the 'Green Agenda'. Sure, they have their authorities as well, but they seem to be paragons of wisdom in comparison.

I actually thought about just saying it was the West. But, then...

Unfortunately, the BRICS seem to be on board the "green" agenda of CO2 reduction and CO2 trading - at least that is what their Kazan meeting manifesto says. It also includes most of the other globalist agendas, so much so that there is hardly any difference to the West.

I remembered reading about other countries saying things that would put them in the "green" category and put "the world" down.

 

[Cosmos]

Is that really the case, though? Or just in the West? I think the Russians, Chinese, Indians and Iranians, as well as many other countries in the "Global South" are highly skeptical of the 'Green Agenda'. Sure, they have their authorities as well, but they seem to be paragons of wisdom in comparison.

I would say, generally speaking, that the percentage of people in those countries who would also believe pretty much any kind of nonsense might be pretty similar to the west.

There might be a couple of reasons why Russians or Chinese for example currently don’t seem to follow much of the nonsense:

- Many of them have experienced first hand hard times and/or experience it now.
- Maybe connected to the above point: Generally speaking, they seem to be a lot less inclined to believe authorities and/or the government (at least, the Russians).
- The society itself seems to currently favor conditions that somehow produce good leadership.
- A good leadership in government which many OP‘s follow now who would just as easily follow bad people.

 

[Ryan]

Unfortunately, the BRICS seem to be on board the "green" agenda of CO2 reduction and CO2 trading - at least that is what their Kazan meeting manifesto says. It also includes most of the other globalist agendas, so much so that there is hardly any difference to the West.

Here's item 15 of the BRICS Kazan Declaration:

15. We reiterate that the objectives, principles and provisions of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), its Kyoto Protocol and its Paris Agreement, including its principles of equity and common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities (CBDR-RC) in the light of different national circumstances, must be honoured. We condemn unilateral measures introduced under the pretext of climate and environmental concerns and reiterate our commitment to enhancing coordination on these issues. We will strengthen cooperation on a whole range of solutions and technologies that contribute to the reduction and removal of Greenhouse Gases (GHGs). We also note the role of carbon sinks in absorbing GHGs and mitigating climate change, whilst also highlighting the importance of adaptation and stressing the need for the adequate provision of the means of implementation, namely financial resources, technology transfer and capacity building.

What is a carbon sink?

A carbon sink is any natural system that absorbs and stores more carbon from the atmosphere than it releases. The largest carbon sinks on Earth are forests, soil, and the ocean, with the latter already accumulating roughly 30% of the atmosphere's total carbon dioxide emissions.1

Why are they so important? Carbon dioxide (CO2) is released through natural processes, like when animals breathe and during volcanic eruptions, and human activities, such as burning fossil fuels and chopping down trees. Carbon sinks are nature's way of closing the gap between what carbon is released and what is stored.

When taking this into account, along with the context of the BRICS' overwhelming preference for multilateral dialogue, we can see that, compared to nutzoid Western 'greenies' who want to make everyone eat bugs and block out the sun, the BRICS have a completely different approach and worldview to the planet's ecology.

I would say, generally speaking, that the percentage of people in those countries who would also believe pretty much any kind of nonsense might be pretty similar to the west.

How do you square that with the C's statements about the percentages of psychopaths in Western countries such as the USA (23%) compared to China (0.9%)?

Personally, I think Westerner forum members tend to cut the West way too much slack by thinking that "people in other countries are just as bad". They're not, and world events are demonstrating this quite emphatically at the moment.

 

[axj]

Personally, I think Westerner forum members tend to cut the West way too much slack by thinking that "people in other countries are just as bad". They're not, and world events are demonstrating this quite emphatically at the moment.

That is true to some degree, but I actually think that Western forum members tend to view Russia (and China) in a too positive way, especially regarding internal politics and the implementation of many of the globalist agendas in both Russia and China.

I am originally from the USSR and know many Russians who moved away in the recent years. Of course, these are often people with a quite negative view of Russia, but the facts they report speak for themselves: total surveillance, no freedom of speech and getting jailed for 'likes', the digital ruble CBDC already launching next year, etc.

On the other hand, both Russia and China reject 'wokism', the green agenda is not a priority for either of them and of course their foreign politics bring balance to the world and are much more sane than the Western counterparts.

I considered moving to Russia a few years ago but decided against it. In my view, Paraguay with its very small conservative government is probably one of the freest countries in the world - if not the freest one. In some ways it is like the US used to be a long time ago.

 

[Cosmos]

Here's item 15 of the BRICS Kazan Declaration:


What is a carbon sink?


When taking this into account, along with the context of the BRICS' overwhelming preference for multilateral dialogue, we can see that, compared to nutzoid Western 'greenies' who want to make everyone eat bugs and block out the sun, the BRICS have a completely different approach and worldview to the planet's ecology.


How do you square that with the C's statements about the percentages of psychopaths in Western countries such as the USA (23%) compared to China (0.9%)?

Personally, I think Westerner forum members tend to cut the West way too much slack by thinking that "people in other countries are just as bad". They're not, and world events are demonstrating this quite emphatically at the moment.

Taking Israel for example, that the C‘s gave by far the highest percentage of Psychopaths, if I remember correctly.

I do think besides possible genetic predisposition, that a lot of that can probably be explained by Psychopaths naturally gravitating towards wanting to life/be there because they find paradise type conditions there for their kind:

I think it actually makes perfect sense, that in countries like Israel and the US are more Psychopaths (in ratio to the number of normal humans) then in other countries. Further I think it also makes perfect sense that the numbers of psychopaths in those countries will increase the longer those special countries exist in that kind of condition.

If you think about Israel for example:

This "country" exist now for over 50 years. Further this country was brought into being by the forceful displacement, stealing of the land and murder of the actual rightful inhabitants of that place (Palestinians). Thus it has since its beginning evolved through the inhuman treatment of human beings. Further it has and is enjoying "the sympathy" and support of the powerful countries in this world, despite its very inhuman actions that are happening every day and that for over 50 years.

Now suppose you are a Psychopath somewhere else on the planet and you can see/feel that this is the number one country in the world where all your needs are covered and you can do what you like:

You can bully, lie, murder, oppress, manipulate and control a large population of actual human beings (Palestinians), of which a large portion are children, and you don't have to really worry about being punished for those acts. You can do all of that without much serious consequences and thus you can do it over and over again and on top of that, you can blame the victims for it and "the whole world" of normal people believes you!

Think about it: Israel must be the ultimative paradise for Psychopaths in this world! Living in Israel is the ultimative kick and feeding ground for any Psychopath in this world.

Thus it is really not suprising that a lot of them are there and the number is increasing throughout the years... The longer it exists like that, the more Psychopaths will imigrate into that country.

In the US it is similar.

 

[Ryan]

the facts they report speak for themselves: total surveillance, no freedom of speech and getting jailed for 'likes', the digital ruble CBDC already launching next year, etc.

Those reports sound much more the facts in countries like the UK, where people get arrested for praying the 'wrong' sort of prayers. Russia has plenty of freedom of speech, for those who use it responsibly.

You've mentioned your viewpoint about the globalist agenda on other threads. I think there's plenty of evidence to show that Russia and China espouse a completely different form of globalism.

I do think besides possible genetic predisposition, that a lot of that can probably be explained by Psychopaths naturally gravitating towards wanting to life/be there because they find paradise type conditions there for their kind:

Sure, but that only reinforces my point.

 

[Nienna]

Personally, I think Westerner forum members tend to cut the West way too much slack by thinking that "people in other countries are just as bad". They're not, and world events are demonstrating this quite emphatically at the moment.

Even though the governments of other countries may be able to see what is what does not mean that their citizens are all onboard with how their leaders think. Can you say with 100% certainty that no one in these other countries don't believe in the climate scam or the scamdemic? There are political dissenters in every country who don't think the way their leaders do. There are those who are gullible enough to believe the propaganda they come in contact with or are influenced by STS forces. And I'm not, nor was I, talking about psychopaths.

And by saying that authoritarian followers let their authorities think for them, not all authorities they follow are their leaders, as I said in my original post, I said,

chosen authorities

 

[Ryan]

Can you say with 100% certainty that no one in these other countries don't believe in the climate scam or the scamdemic?

C'mon Nienna, you already know the answer to that question.

There are political dissenters in every country who don't think the way their leaders do. There are those who are gullible enough to believe the propaganda they come in contact with or are influenced by STS forces.

And you seriously think those dissenters in Russia and China make up a significant percentage of the population? I think it would be fair to say that far-left green woke liberalism is considered a joke by over 70% of people in Russia.

And by saying that authoritarian followers let their authorities think for them, not all authorities they follow are their leaders, as I said in my original post, I said,

If I remember correctly, Altemeyer surmised that the vast majority of authoritarians follow established power structures, ie. current leadership.

 

[axj]

Those reports sound much more the facts in countries like the UK, where people get arrested for praying the 'wrong' sort of prayers. Russia has plenty of freedom of speech, for those who use it responsibly.

And what is this assessment of yours based on? I speak Russian, know plenty of Russians and am originally from there.

People get arrested for the wrong 'likes' in both the UK and Russia. You could argue that it is more justified in Russia because it is directly at war, and indeed there have been reports that the freedom of speech is supposed to improve after the war is over. Whether that will actually happen, nobody knows.

I think there's plenty of evidence to show that Russia and China espouse a completely different form of globalism.

Their form of globalism is certainly not identical, but it is not completely different either. The Russian central bank is even still part of the globalist IMF and BIS systems and is bringing out the digital ruble CBDC (potentially totalitarian programmable "currency") even ahead of the Western countries. The vast majority of Russians do not want it, so we will see how it goes. It might turn out being a similar fiasco as the CBDC in Nigeria.

 

[Ryan]

And what is this assessment of yours based on? I speak Russian, know plenty of Russians and am originally from there.

I speak Russian (albeit not fluently at this point), have been to Russia, meet regularly with Russian friends and read Russian news and media sources every day, so I consider my opinion on the topic at least partially informed.

I also think that resorting to personal experience or expertise to add gravitas to one's argument is a sign that the argument is inherently weak. Even if you have a PhD in Philosophy, you should be able to defend or advance any position without reference to those credentials.

People get arrested for the wrong 'likes' in both the UK and Russia. You could argue that it is more justified in Russia because it is directly at war, and indeed there have been reports that the freedom of speech is supposed to improve after the war is over. Whether that will actually happen, nobody knows.

True, currently in Russia one cannot criticise the military's efforts in the SMO unjustifiably, or spread LGBT propaganda. Some people might care that those types of speech are suppressed; free speech absolutism is a retarded position, though. From time immemorial there has never been "freedom of speech" on this planet and the current US notion of such is pure idealism used for cynical political motives.

For a good perspective on free speech, I recommend Luc's article The Free Speech Delusion. And for a good example of how not just free speech, but even simply researching the 'wrong' things on this planet can get you killed, see Ark's blog post Dangerous Math: A Tale of Perilous Pursuits.

Anyway, I think it's time we let this thread return to the topic of Germany.

 

[Nienna]

@Ryan the main point I was trying to make is that there are authoritarian followers everywhere. Their authorities can be anyone. You have many who choose to be led by those against the elected government leaders. Or they can be led by popular musicians, movie stars, etc.

C'mon Nienna, you already know the answer to that question.

Yes, i do. I just wanted to make sure you do.