The Wave and its effects

[Jakesully]

Here's a very simple question you might want to consider. Why does this Lonetree person think that Sedona is the only place such 'vortexes' exist? It's my understanding that the earth is riddled with electromagnetic abnormalities (so much so that it's a stretch to call them abnormalities).

Also, why is an 'ecstatic state' in meditation perceived as a goal to reach? Can you see how this parallels with 'phenomenon chasing' and that it - in and of itself - means absolutely nothing. What matters here, the way to 'get out alive', to fuse something permanent within that can and will transit 'time' and space if and when the body expires is to Work - very hard - to awaken and leave all that dreaming, all that wishful thinking, illusion and 'narcissistic spirituality' behind? From what you've written here, it sounds like these 'vortexes' (assuming they exist at all in Sedona) are a mighty sleep tonic, pushing all those in that area deeper into the illusion of being a magician. fwiw.

I don't see that Lonetree thinks Sedona is the only place where they occur, but that they are so prevalent in Sedona -- more so than in most other places -- that Sedona has become famous for them, and that they are easier to study when there is a prevalence of all documented types of vortexes; inflow, upflow, balanced, etc.

On this website and it's mirrored site you will find a vast amount of information that relates to natural Geomagnetism and how it effects Human brainwave activity in certain places like Sedona, Arizona.

_http://sedonanomalies.com/

For me, it's not necessarily a goal to reach. I would view such a phenomenon as a possible tool to utilize within a specific circumstance, such as to meditate upon my ego and ask for intuitive guidance as to which facet of my ego I need to confront and do battle with next... or simply to learn the machine better. Of course, this is an example, and seeking such intuitive guidance can be done from practically any location that facilitates concentration and focus.

Moreover, it is a curiosity as well.

 

[Zadius Sky]

For me, it's not necessarily a goal to reach. I would view such a phenomenon as a possible tool to utilize within a specific circumstance, such as to meditate upon my ego and ask for intuitive guidance as to which facet of my ego I need to confront and do battle with next... or simply to learn the machine better. Of course, this is an example, and seeking such intuitive guidance can be done from practically any location that facilitates concentration and focus.

Moreover, it is a curiosity as well.

I can understand your curiosity, Jakesully. However, this "possible tool" that you wish to utilize is still considered to be a "phenomenon chasing." I have been to Sedona once, about a year before I joined the Work, and I don't know for sure whether there's exist an vortex but I felt certain energies there that I couldn't handle and left. For some people, it's like living in a "dream" and they can be quite comfortable, and the fact that there are so many spiritual predators there is rather telling. How do you know that if you plan on "utilizing this tool," it just might "boost" your ego or increase the strength of your narcissistic self and null your focus on doing the Work, on Waking up?

Personally, I wouldn't choose Sedona as an example or a "great opportunity" to do the Work - it's just the opposite, imo.

FWIW.

 

[anart]

I don't see that Lonetree thinks Sedona is the only place where they occur, but that they are so prevalent in Sedona -- more so than in most other places -- that Sedona has become famous for them, and that they are easier to study when there is a prevalence of all documented types of vortexes; inflow, upflow, balanced, etc.

Sedona has become famous for them? With whom? Answer that question and you'll have an answer to a lot of other things as well. Sedona is only 'famous' among newage grifters. Have you read the Newage COINTELPRO section on the forum yet? I'd like to see hard data that proves there are more 'vortexes' in Sedona than any other place on earth, because it sounds like a snake oil salesman line to me - and that's not even delving into the idea that such things would be 'positive' for the human mechanism.

For me, it's not necessarily a goal to reach. I would view such a phenomenon as a possible tool to utilize within a specific circumstance, such as to meditate upon my ego and ask for intuitive guidance as to which facet of my ego I need to confront and do battle with next... or simply to learn the machine better. Of course, this is an example, and seeking such intuitive guidance can be done from practically any location that facilitates concentration and focus.

Have you read any Gurdjieff? It seems like the material on this forum might not really be what you're looking for?

 

[Jakesully]

Myrddin Awyr, anart, I understand what you're saying. The purpose of my previous post was to simply "put it all out there" and get the critical feedback I need as to the validity or invalidity of my approach. You've given me the answers I was looking for, and again I intend to change my approach and understanding based on this feedback.

anart, I have read Gurdjieff -- read ISOTM in its entirety -- and the material on this forum is indeed what I am looking for.

Thanks again.

 

[Buddy]

What matters here, the way to 'get out alive', to fuse something permanent within that can and will transit 'time' and space if and when the body expires...

That's the unified I Self-Rememberer, correct?

 

[cubbex]

What matters here, the way to 'get out alive', to fuse something permanent within that can and will transit 'time' and space if and when the body expires...

That's the unified I Self-Rememberer, correct?

HEHEHE you are really into the matter right???

Maybe the self remembering works to fuse that unified I.

 

[Buddy]

What matters here, the way to 'get out alive', to fuse something permanent within that can and will transit 'time' and space if and when the body expires...

That's the unified I Self-Rememberer, correct?

HEHEHE you are really into the matter right???

Maybe the self remembering works to fuse that unified I.

Awesome! That statement pulled together some pieces of the puzzle a new way for me. I even see my own posts from a new perspective - some noise where I thought there was useful info. :)

 

[Woodsman]

I'd not heard of Sedona AZ before, nor did I have any idea what a "Vortex" is exactly. So I did some hunting about. . ,

According to a standard example of the New Age literature. . . (_http://www.mysticalblaze.com/PlacesSedona.htm)

The Vortices at Sedona

Sedona, Arizona is a scenic place with incredible red rock formations and a stark, transfixing beauty that is replicated nowhere else on earth. It is also, however, a spiritual Mecca and has been a sacred place for the Indians for thousands of years. Indeed, visitors to the huge formations almost always come away with the feeling that the entire area is somehow "different" and almost surreal. Add to that incredible celestial displays, some of the most frequent and convincing UFO sightings on earth, and thousands of reports of many kinds of spiritual and paranormal experiences by visitors, and you have one of the most truly intriguing supernatural places on earth!

The rock formations themselves at Sedona likely play a big part in what is happening in the vicinity. The rock is sandstone that contains iron, granite, and traces of copper, sliver, and gold. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think of them as natural electromagnetic conductors. In simple terms, this is a natural formation that could amplify electricity and then discharge it, creating an electromagnetic vortex that affects the surrounding area in a palpable way. Again, it is not too much of a stretch to imagine that this electrical discharge is of a frequency or resonance capable of affecting the human psyche. Could this configuration possibly opens doors to other dimensions, either physically or mentally?

Sedona is widely considered one of the major power centers on earth, and is listed right up there along with the pyramids in Egypt, Stonehenge, and Easter Island. The major features there include Bell Rock, Cathedral Rock, Boynton Canyon, and Secret Canyon. Bell rock is notable for the belief that it is a portal to other dimensions, and anomalous electrical readings have indeed been scientifically recorded there. The fact that there are four purported vortexes all in close vicinity to each other likely magnifies the entire paranormal phenomena and experience.

To summarize, if you find yourself in the southwest area, do make the pilgrimage to Sedona and find out for yourself. This is old, majestic country revered by everyone who has experienced it for thousands of years, and it is a must-see for anyone interested in spiritual growth, UFO's, other dimensions, or supernatural and paranormal study!

For goodness sake. It's all summed up right there. If that doesn't cry "Phenomenon chasing" I don't know what does.

Things to consider. . .

If Sedona really is one of the most "powerful places on Earth", then it IS without question compromised. The PTB will have their filthy hands all over it, HAARP beams aimed 24/7, and probably an underground base or three in the area. -If it's worth anything of any value whatsoever.

Otherwise, it wouldn't surprise me if the whole zone was pre-ordained as a giant tar-ball for New Agers and interested parties to get sucked into.

"[...]some of the most frequent and convincing UFO sightings on earth, and thousands of reports of many kinds of spiritual and paranormal experiences by visitors, and you have one of the most truly intriguing supernatural places on earth!"

Jeezuz. I didn't realize how dangerous things were down there. UFOs are NOT fun and games.

I remember once visiting a city where certain areas felt very different from others, even during different times of the day. Walking around the downtown core, I would feel a significant shift in whatever was being done to the energy of given section. It was, as others describe Sedona feeling, also "palpable". At certain times of the day, "they" would turn on or off certain fields. I remember hiding in the basement of a building to get away from one particularly nasty frequency; being underground muted it, but it still felt like my whole chest and head was buzzing, and then after three hours, it shut off just as suddenly. After two weeks in this place, I was feeling ragged and exhausted from having my energy pulled and kneeded constantly. My partner was also painfully aware of these same effects, (and thank goodness there was somebody there with me who felt the same things so I didn't feel like I was nuts), but nobody who actually lived there seemed to realize or know what we were talking about. It was a huge relief to finally get out of the place. The whole city was like one big rat maze energy experiment.

Sedona sounds a great deal worse if people who haven't spent the time learning how to listen to their bodies can feel such effects anyway.

 

[Jakesully]

Woodsman:

Yeah, the more I think about it upon reading feedback about it, and thinking about my own experiences being in Sedona for extended periods of time, it really is a horrible place for anyone considering pursuing work on oneself. There may be some gems to be gleaned and hard lessons in the form of mistakes to be gained, but overall it a very reality-distorting place.

For one the people are either obsessed with Native American culture, crystals, meditation, drum circles, medicine wheels, vortexes, the idea of women being goddesses (how narcissistic can ya get, really?), or they are purely materialistic and only see the aforementioned things as a means to make money. In other words, victims and predators.

Now, I can also comment on my own experiences being in Sedona on any given day. Some days, even without having consumed anything with caffeine, I would find myself excessively fatigued and suffering from a severe headache... no doubt due to some heavy duty beaming on top of the abnormal energy already present.

I suppose it would also be useful to note, not that I hold Native Americans to be any great source of wisdom, but that before settlers came, Native Americans wouldn't live near the Red Rocks, apparently because of the unpredictable and draining effects it can have on one's psyche.

Fortunately I've managed to find a place to reside that is not actually in Sedona.

 

[Nienna]

I think that the Native Americans do have wisdom, it's the Native American wannabes that are co-opting this wisdom and twisting it to make themselves New Age Gurus.

That's just my take on it, though.

 

[Buddy]

I think that the Native Americans do have wisdom, it's the Native American wannabes that are co-opting this wisdom and twisting it to make themselves New Age Gurus.

That's just my take on it, though.

My take also. I feel like it's not that that Native American wisdom is missing or suspect, it's that the non-natives generally lack the ability to understand the same way and with the same depth.

 

[StrangeCaptain]

I think that the Native Americans do have wisdom, it's the Native American wannabes that are co-opting this wisdom and twisting it to make themselves New Age Gurus.

That's just my take on it, though.

My take also. I feel like it's not that that Native American wisdom is missing or suspect, it's that the non-natives generally lack the ability to understand the same way and with the same depth.

Well... Some things are missing. A few hundred years of being the target of a genocidal campaign will do that to you. Not to mention whatever discontinuties occurred before that due to planetary catastrophes. But yeah... What white new-agers do to what remains is stomach-churning...

 

[Jakesully]

I guess what I'm saying is, if they (Native Americans) are not talking about a spiritual path as work on oneself and work on the ego, then I don't hold them as any great source of wisdom. There may be some individual shamans here and there (Yaqui Shamans of Oaxaca) who know of this, but by and large, if they as entire peoples and tribes knew it at any time, most tribes have forgotten about it.

 

[agni]

I think that the Native Americans do have wisdom, it's the Native American wannabes that are co-opting this wisdom and twisting it to make themselves New Age Gurus.

That's just my take on it, though.

My take also. I feel like it's not that that Native American wisdom is missing or suspect, it's that the non-natives generally lack the ability to understand the same way and with the same depth.

I do not think it's just native & non-native depth of understanding thing. I'd rather say there is wisdom in Native American line of thought instead. Just because there are ancestors who were perhaps more or less knowledgeable, does not mean later generations posess same type of knowledge/understanding. (I am pretty sure there are exceptions though, can't speak for all). Claiming that someone has knowledge/understanding based on ancestral heritage, i think, same as claiming we are as "smart" as Atlantians or as knowledgeable as pyramid builders. Just not the case :) IMHO

 

[Buddy]

I think that the Native Americans do have wisdom, it's the Native American wannabes that are co-opting this wisdom and twisting it to make themselves New Age Gurus.

That's just my take on it, though.

My take also. I feel like it's not that that Native American wisdom is missing or suspect, it's that the non-natives generally lack the ability to understand the same way and with the same depth.

Well... Some things are missing. A few hundred years of being the target of a genocidal campaign will do that to you. Not to mention whatever discontinuties occurred before that due to planetary catastrophes. But yeah... What white new-agers do to what remains is stomach-churning...

As a (mostly) white man who believes he has a mostly Native American soul, I feel you and agree 100%