THE WEIGHT OF CHAINS

[Corvus]

Thanks for posting the link for the second part of The Weight of Chains. It explains how Yugoslavia was run into the ground and explains the background for recent events, including


and

And going back to the early 1990'ies there was:

It is not their state ideology, there is no state ideology because Croatia is not a state but a vassal, and he is not even being wrong saying that people fully embrace it because actions of one footballer that does not have brain but only legs can not represent majority. Yes, there are portions like in Ukraine among populace and politicians that have similar sympathies.

And Croatia did not have to pay repartitions because there was strong partisan movement there, that is there were many Croats in it, even Tito leader of partisan movement in whole Yugoslavia and later president was a Croat, and the partisan movement began in Croatia and spread through whole Yugoslavia but the majority fighters in partisans where Serbs(45 per cent, majority of them being from Croatia), Croats(30 per cent) where second and of course there were and Muslims but only 2.5 per cent. Better to say today there is divide between right vs left that have sympathies for nationalists and socialists of the past, but there is no real difference today in how they run puppet show of corruption and greed.

Remnants of Serbian royal army or chetniks after the conquest of Nazi Germany where allies of Nazis and where no different and are no different then Croatian Nazis(ustashe) and did their fair share of butchering and murdering of Croats and Muslims and even Serbs who were against them, and that was why Tito turned against them even if at first they where allies. Their leader Draze Mihajlovic was tried and executed for crimes, nazi collaboration and treason but today Serbia is going toward his rehabilitation, but the reason being that in new Yugoslavia Serbs lost hegemony that was theirs in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and Serbian king lost everything he had prior to war, and stayed in London. At least he stayed while leader of "Independent" Croatia Ante Pavelic left for Argentina. There was and serbian puppet government under Nedic - The Government of National salvation that was pro german puppet regime working with chetniks.

So you see two strongest nationalist movements in Croatia and Serbia where allies of Nazis, and the two sides of same coin.
Those subjective Serbian and Croatian historians or not historians that put the blame against each will never be able to look objectively and see the grey but only black and white because of simple reason they belong to that or other nation, but I do not have that problems because I do not belong to either.

And in the 90-ties war in Croatia both sides did crimes, Croats more so because they where victors in Croatia by the help of US and did ethnic cleansing of Serbs, mostly those pro ustashe nazis and on serbian side modern chetniks, in Bosnia Croats and Serbs where practically allies against Muslims. Those politicians and commanders earned a fortunes for themselves and their children, robbed the economy, it was legal robbery because thief's where in command getting rich overnight, and many of those politicians and generals being in communist party prior to that or in yugoslav national army and being bought to change side, the main problem being national army always had strategy of concentrating on attack on outside enemies, and when they came from inside many deserted not wanting to shoot their own people or people they knew, and avoided civilian targets. Milosevic also had it s part in fall of RSK because he said he will send help, he did nothing and many Croat Serbs felt betrayed, he made a deal with Americans because he was more interested in his chair.

And no, we are not all French because compared those nations are saints when compared with french colonialists, not mentioning British, irony of that being that sons of former slaves are playing for their slavemasters.

 

[thorbiorn]

It is not their state ideology, there is no state ideology because Croatia is not a state but a vassal, and he is not even being wrong saying that people fully embrace it because actions of one footballer that does not have brain but only legs can not represent majority. Yes, there are portions like in Ukraine among populace and politicians that have similar sympathies.
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Better to say today there is divide between right vs left that have sympathies for nationalists and socialists of the past, but there is no real difference today in how they run puppet show of corruption and greed.
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And no, we are not all French because compared those nations are saints when compared with french colonialists, not mentioning British, irony of that being that sons of former slaves are playing for their slavemasters.

Thank you Corvus for your detailed comments on the situation in former Yugoslavia. This discussion of countries and nation status, reminds me of a passage from 97:

Q: Why are all the Russians invited?

A: Their value.
[...]
Q: [...] (Laura) We're buying them to keep other countries from buying them? (Terry R) If we don't...

A: More like "they are being bought to make sure that they are not not bought."

Q: (Terry) All these Russians are now out of work, and they don't want them going to China, they don't want them going to who knows where...

A: No, Terry. There are no countries, only souls.

It appears a lot of souls were bought in the area of the former Yugoslavia, as it collapsed.

 

[Hi_Henry]

I look forward to seeing this documentary. Sounds good.

My introduction to "what happened in Yugoslavia" was a German documentary from (I am guessing) the 90's. It was in German and tried to outline the hand of the BND in igniting the Yugoslav break-up. From my understanding of geopolitics it made a lot of sense. Yugoslavia as an economic power would be a competitor to the German economy when the Wall came down, hence you need to cut it down at its knees. Remember the Yugo? That little car was being sold in the States in those days. Sort of like the VW Beetle that even though ugly had a promising future in the US when it first appeared. Yugo could have been what the little Fiat (Italian) is today or the Mini (British).
German Interests

Another "actor" for me is the UK. They have their dirt hands everywhere the Americans show up. I believe their contribution was in Albania where in the past they made their mark,
Balkan Bedlam

Also it is worthwhile to consider the fact that German colonists over the centuries moved Eastward. In the majority (I am speculating based on how they behaved in a few countries of Eastern Europe) did not fully integrated with the local people. They considered themselves to be German. I'm not saying they are responsible for the breakup of Yugoslavia but I am sure that the BND made good use of them in planning their missions. Sort of like the sayanim for the Israeli Mossad.
German Colonists

 

[thorbiorn]

Channel 1 in Russia reported about the visit to Serbia of the NATO Secretary General. Генсек НАТО цинично посоветовал забыть о погибших в 1999 году в Сербии от урановых снарядов и кассетных бомб. Новости. Первый канал

NATO Secretary General cynically advised to forget about the dead in 1999 in Serbia from uranium shells and cluster bombs

Kirill Kleimenov
NATO Secretary General arrived in Belgrade. NATO with Serbia, that is, the "special relationship". This organization bombed Serbia. Not long ago, less than 20 years ago. Before that, Serbs were bombed by the Germans, a little more than 70 years ago. Well, then we forced the Germans to answer for it. But the second time, NATO, have failed.

And here in a sort of smug Gauleiter, the head of NATO arrives in Belgrade and goes like this statement. A brief meaning of it is this: we, of course, everything here was bombed. You may not like it, it's up, but the main thing is to look to the future.

The last phrase is the key. It is intended — I am personally absolutely confident in it — not for the Serbs. And for us — Russian. For the main and only allies and brothers. They, the Serbs, except for us, nobody else to hope for. The sky — God on earth — Russia. The main Serbian proverb. And now that the Serbs have not hoped to understand that, as with the Germans fail, Stoltenberg says it all. Well, that we knew too.

We understand, Mr. Stoltenberg. Then, in 1999, your organization bombed the television station in Belgrade. Killed our colleagues. And your colleagues in the organization said that journalists engaged in propaganda and that this legitimate purpose.

So you in vain worried. Words spend. We're well aware if it were not for our fathers and grandfathers, who created a nuclear shield, where and what would you gave the interview. Oh, and you, Mr. Stoltenberg, remember why you still have to limit yourself to Serbia. Don't forget.

[Next part, probably by the author listed below the text.]

"I am aware that for many, the bombing of the Serbs associated with bad memories. But I explained that this was done to protect civilians and to stop the Milosevic regime. And my main message is that we need to look to the future," says Jens Stoltenberg.

The cynical statement by the NATO Secretary General, "have been bombed for your own good, so forget the past" came at a meeting with Serbian students. The calculation is clearly that the youth either did not remember 1999 either has about it a poor idea.

Stoltenberg, Frank: like a child in Belgrade, his father was the Ambassador of Norway, as it was in Yugoslavia for the first time in my life tasted ice cream. But something like this has happened.

In 1999, the second day of the bombing, U.S. Secretary of state Madeleine Albright appealed to the Serbs in their language. Also because he talks about his childhood in Yugoslavia, her family lived for some time there, escaping from the Nazis. And the message was the same: we're not your enemies, bombing — for your own good.

"Mr. Stoltenberg did not consider it necessary to somehow take into account the feelings of local residents. From the point of view of the NATO war in Yugoslavia — a brilliant victory, that the unit boasts, one of their stars on the fuselage. For Serbs it is the injury, is still for the vast majority of a very serious insult," — emphasizes the researcher of Department of contemporary history of Central and South-Eastern Europe the Institute of Slavic studies George Engelhardt.

The official reason for the bombing was declared, clashes between Albanians and Serbs in the historically Serbian region of Kosovo. The West has accused Belgrade of ethnic cleansing, as if forgetting the fact that it is not less and even greater cruelty displayed by the Albanians and that the Albanian separatists has provoked itself the Kosovo war.

"For nearly 20 years, NATO leaders are unable to explain to the Serbs why they bombed a European country in such a cruel manner. They have no explanation for why it happened. The Serbs still remember it, 80% of the population want to join NATO, and 60% say they remember the bombing and will not forget them ever," said Director of the Center for the study of modern Balkan crisis of Institute of Slavic studies Elena Guskova.

Operation "allied force" lasted from 24 March to 10 June 1999. US President bill Clinton, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and NATO Secretary General Javier Solana then explained the world what a "humanitarian intervention": the term was invented in order to give the West the opportunity to violate another's sovereignty under the pretext of alleged human rights protection — to act in circumvention of the UN.

Those "bad memories" referred to by Stoltenberg, that cluster bombs unleashed on Belgrade, and armor-piercing ammunition with uranium cores, which many years were radioactive, causing an outbreak of cancer.

NATO troops attacked not only military targets but also those that are a little bit fit the definition of "dual purpose facility". Bombed factories, power grids, district heating. Bombed bridges — one blew up in the moment when it passed the passenger train. Bombed chemical plants and fuel terminals, causing an ecological disaster.

For 48 hospitals, 88 schools and kindergartens. 23 APR bombed the Belgrade television station, killing 16 of its employees. Then NATO claimed that the TV station had supposedly been a legitimate target because it was promoted. During this "humanitarian intervention" has killed several thousand people. Up to 1,700 civilians. About 400 children.

"NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg justify the destruction of several thousand civilians, which NATO undertook in 1999. By the way, I note that they even the Chinese Embassy was screw up from the air. When it refers to some sort of international law. And what he is doing in the country that suffered these attacks, once again shows us with whom we deal", — said the head of the Department of international relations and diplomacy of the Moscow humanitarian University Nicholas Platoshkin.

And that's about it, as well as about his past, whatever was said by the NATO Secretary General should never be forgotten.
Grigory Emelyanov

 

[anka]

As 20 years have passed since the war, some might be interested in watching this documentary sponsored by the Czech state TV. It was later almost prohibited because the local elite realized it did not represent 'politically correct' standpoint as at the time of the war in Yugoslavia we were a fresh addition to NATO and went on to support bombing our long time ally. Serbs were actually the only nation who supported former Czechoslovakia against 1938's Munich agreement (many Serbs assembled in front of Belgrade's Czechoslovakian embassy to join our army in support against Hitler). Similarly, in 1968 it was again people of Serbia who took it to the streets in hundreds of thousands to rally against the Warsaw pact invasion.

Stolen Kosovo
The documentary describes the situation in Kosovo, first in a short overview of the history of the area, followed by the 1990s conflicts and bombing of Serbia by NATO forces in 1999 and ending with the situation after the Kosovo War. The documentary focuses on 1990s in the time of Slobodan Milošević's rule as well as on numerous interviews of Serbian civilians and, less, of Albanian insurgents against the Milošević regime. Although the Czech Television (Česká televize) had been one of the sponsors of the documentary, it delayed broadcasting it several times, claiming the documentary was "unbalanced" and marked with "pro-Serbian bias", and so "the tone of the documentary could cause negative emotions" Václav Dvořák, the director, responded that the same could be said for "Holocaust documentaries, where the Nazi Germany 'side' and 'views' were also appropriately ignored". The documentary producer, Aleš Bednář, additionally stated that it wasn't ruled out that some viewers could feel it was "unbalanced", but only because they had been "lopsidedly informed about Balkan conflicts through years, above all by television, but by other media as well." Its first broadcasting, scheduled for 17 March 2008, on the 4th anniversary of the ethnic clashes in Kosovo in 2004, was postponed until April, and was eventually broadcasted with a follow-up show analyzing the Kosovo conflict from the point of view of the Kosovo Albanians. The creators of the documentary published it on YouTube, where it is still available (as of September 2011). The film isn't listed on IMDb (as of November 2011).

 

[Voyageur]

As 20 years have passed since the war, some might be interested in watching this documentary sponsored by the Czech state TV.

Oh boy, and be warned as it has some very uncomfortable scenes.

SOTT had this up: 20 years on: RT documentary reveals the toxic legacy of NATO's 1999 bombing campaign against Yugoslavia -- Sott.net

which I see used video footage from the Czech version (if that was all original).

And this by Michael Parenti: Parenti: NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999 wrapped up 'rational destruction' of Yugoslavia -- Sott.net

and of course the THE WEIGHT OF CHAINS documentaries.

Couple of things of note in the Czech version - mentions the Brothers Mazreku who (one being asked about killing and raping - in the affirmative) were sentenced and shipped off to the UN mission in Kosovo then freed.

Then there is Hashim Tachi aka the Snake (wanted for bombings then by Interpol) who later becomes Kosovo prime minister in 2008 - you can see him here with Sec. State 1.0 Madeleine Albright, the queen of destruction, and with Hillary Clinton, the Sec. State 2.0 lady in waiting (oh, and Joe Biden is right there with hugs for the Snake): KOSOVO'S "MAFIA STATE": From Madeleine to Hillary: The US Secretary of State's "Love Affair" with the KLA - Global Research

Quoted by a politician in the US:

We do not chose our goals according to our friends, but chose our friends according to our goals.

Yeah, so we see.

The KLM, particularly the Snake (Tachi) had other friends in high places, like General Westley Clark and many others:

Re: Slobodan Milosevic, Clark said:

What we are really talking about is a humanitarian disaster precipitated by the cold political calculus of an autocratic leader who has pursued a political strategy against his own citizens,” said U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark, supreme allied commander in Europe.

This accompanied other Orwellian words such as 'Humanitarian Bombing' they often would say in the press as the reason they wiped out so many citizens.

There is a priest interviewed who discusses the extremists (KLM) going after their churches and monasteries, having stood the test of time for 700 years. They pushed Serbs away - "destroying historical monuments" and the Serbian culture - to "erase them" in Kosovo etc.

Every Westerner born and thinking in those times either avoided it all, did not understand it, or welcomed what their countries were doing via NATO (or a combination therein), arguably the real enemy of our times.

This was another of our Western meddling wars that weighs heavy...



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