Benjamin
The Living Force
Ok. I have a real problem.
Here's the time line in question. The first two entries you can kinda skip. I just wanted to note that his first two books have French titles. It would be pretty weird for the rest of the books to be written in anything other then French. Both were published in Belgium. French language and Belgium are what we are introduced with.
1931
1934
1936
Illion announces his trip to Tibet on Apr. 16, 1934, in England (aged one month away from being 36, according to his birthdate). He makes a big show of it with photos, companions and everything. On July 5, he is in Istanbul which supports his story. On Dec. 15, he is in Stockholm, Sweden. That's a 5 month round trip and never goes to Tibet.
I can't find a specific date but also in 1936, In Secret Tibet comes out.
On July 20, 1936, it's mentioned in an interview that Illion has been to Central Asia and Tibet twice. Central Asia consists of the "-stan" countries: Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan, fyi.
Now, the C's say Illion was at the western edges of Siberia around Nov. 11, 1935 - July, 1936. Based on this statement, I can forget all the Tuva and Buryatia work because he never even got as far as Altai; he never saw the monasteries, he never learned the Tibetan language from there, he never met the shamans. He was gone for about 8 months to the western edges of Siberia, comes back and publishes In Secret Tibet in Hamburg.
It's the statement that Illion was in "Central Asia and Tibet twice" that made me theorize he might have been further into Siberia before his trip to the "western edges". I then found the 'Iljin' name, linked it with the Old Believers, found the Tibetan Buddhist and shamanism connections in Tuva and recently Buryatia which houses Lake Baikal and its anomalous magnetism. I can theoretically put the Iljin name into Tuva, but I can't put Illion there learning the Tibetan language and observing the monks and shamans.
The "Altai" question from Altair is based on this session which means Illion got as far as the western edges of Siberia and no further, before, after, anytime. Unless there is more info that puts Illion further into Siberia, that's it. Final.
And yet, the C's answer as "close" is a bit confusing to me. I don't consider Sleeping Sayan or Lake Baikal to be close to the western edges of Siberia.
On the question of knowing the Russian language, he doesn't have to be Russian to know it. He apparently knows so many languages, including Tibetan, that knowing the Russian language is just something he either knows or knows enough to get by. He just says he doesn't know it, and of course, he says a lot of things that seem to be whatever is the most convenient at the time.
The answer: "vague"- The question is vague or the link is vague?
Getting back to Sleeping Sayan and Lake Baikal, I went back into the sessions and pulled this section:
If Illion went as far as the western edges and no further, could this "more then one locator" involve Illion's location? Southern Ural Mountain range?
Ultimately, I just need more information pre-1931. It's that simple. In one sense this guy is a chameleon and a fraud. In another, his work highlighting anti-authoritarianism and 'sinning against the soul' is as disguised as a travelogue as he is.
Here's the time line in question. The first two entries you can kinda skip. I just wanted to note that his first two books have French titles. It would be pretty weird for the rest of the books to be written in anything other then French. Both were published in Belgium. French language and Belgium are what we are introduced with.
1931
- Feb. 23 - Brussels, Belgium - Illion’s first book, En Cacahouetoulanie: reportages sensationnels et inédits (In Cacahouetoulanie: sensational, never-before-seen reports), is published by Esprit Nouveau. The only known copy of which is said to be in Antwerp. He would have to be there to hand over the manuscript. It is noted that one of Illion’s characters says that “Catholicism, Brahmanism, and Lamaist Buddhism are essentially the same thing.” The book did not sell well.
- Belgium - Illion’s second book, La grande guerre entre la Prunanie et la Figoulanie (The great war between Prunania and Figulania), is announced to be published by Maison du Livre Belge. According to Igor Petrov (Darkness Over Illion), it is unknown if it was.
- Nov. - Stockholm, Sweden
1934
- April 16 - England- Illion announces he is taking a trip to Tibet and is looking for companions. There are photos of Illion at this time. He and his two companions can be found here: one, two, three. The two men are eventually found to be inadequate and are left behind.
- July 5 - Istanbul, Turkey. Illion tries to find other companions but none are suitable. From here it is believed he makes his trip into Tibet alone.
- Nov. 26 - Danish newspapers presumably write about Illion (Is he in Denmark?)
- Dec. 15 - Stockholm, Sweden - Illion is in Stockholm and Swedish fans say his trip was “surprisingly fast”.
- Dec. 17 - A Danish newspaper publishes a detailed report of Illion (Igor Petrov mentions he has now also become an expert on South America).
- Feb. 7 - Sweden
- May 3 - Luxembourg
- Aug. - Illion is broadcast on radio in Germany regularly through recordings. No idea if he's actually in Germany.
- Aug. 29 - Iceland
- Sept. 10 - Norway
- Nov. 11 - Unknown until July, 1936. It is in this gap of time that Illion is revealed to have gone to the western edges of Siberia.
Apr. 27, 2024
Q: (Altair) In one of the previous sessions, the C’s said that Theodore Illion (author of 'Darkness Over Tibet') didn't visit Tibet but traveled to Siberia. Was this part of Siberia the Altai region?
A: No. He did not make it that far.
Q: (Altair) If not, what part of Siberia did he travel to?
A: Western edges.
Q: (Altair) When did he do so?
A: 1936 or so.
1936
- Rätselhaftes Tibet: in Verkleidung unter Lamas, Räubern und wahrhaft Weisen (Mysterious Tibet: in disguise among lamas, robbers and truly wise men), Theodore Illion, is published by Uranus Verlag in Hamburg 24.
- July 20 - ‘Baltic Tour’ - Riga, Latvia - In an interview, it is mentioned that Illion has been to Central Asia and Tibet twice.
- Estonia
- Finland
- Oct. 1 - Riga, Latvia
- Nov. - Amsterdam, Holland
- Frequent appearances on German radio. 'Second' book planned to be published in England by winter.
- Oct./Nov. 30 - Norway
- Dec. 16 - Is already in Iceland. Talks about his 8 month trip in Tibet. (Nov. 11, 1935 - July 20, 1936?) Announces a lecture about the mysterious Tibetan “underground city” he visited.
- In Secret Tibet: In Disguise Amongst Lamas, Robbers, and Wisemen, Theodore Illion. A Key to the Mysteries of Tibet, translated into English and published by Rider & Co. (Britain).
- Darkness Over Tibet, Theodore Illion, is also published by Rider & Co.
Illion announces his trip to Tibet on Apr. 16, 1934, in England (aged one month away from being 36, according to his birthdate). He makes a big show of it with photos, companions and everything. On July 5, he is in Istanbul which supports his story. On Dec. 15, he is in Stockholm, Sweden. That's a 5 month round trip and never goes to Tibet.
I can't find a specific date but also in 1936, In Secret Tibet comes out.
On July 20, 1936, it's mentioned in an interview that Illion has been to Central Asia and Tibet twice. Central Asia consists of the "-stan" countries: Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan, fyi.
Now, the C's say Illion was at the western edges of Siberia around Nov. 11, 1935 - July, 1936. Based on this statement, I can forget all the Tuva and Buryatia work because he never even got as far as Altai; he never saw the monasteries, he never learned the Tibetan language from there, he never met the shamans. He was gone for about 8 months to the western edges of Siberia, comes back and publishes In Secret Tibet in Hamburg.
It's the statement that Illion was in "Central Asia and Tibet twice" that made me theorize he might have been further into Siberia before his trip to the "western edges". I then found the 'Iljin' name, linked it with the Old Believers, found the Tibetan Buddhist and shamanism connections in Tuva and recently Buryatia which houses Lake Baikal and its anomalous magnetism. I can theoretically put the Iljin name into Tuva, but I can't put Illion there learning the Tibetan language and observing the monks and shamans.
May 4, 2002
Q: (L) I want to ask about this book I was reading about this guy - T. Illion who traveled to Tibet and found this underground city and interacted with these strange beings, was this an actual trip this guy made in a traditional 3rd density sense?
A: It is a disguise for conveying truths of a spiritual nature as well as a depiction of 4th Density realities.
Q: (L) Did he physically travel to Tibet?
A: No.
Q: (B) Sounds like he gained some inner awareness and used a story to convey it. (L) Did he travel anywhere?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Did he travel somewhere else and get this information and then accurately portray it as being centered in Tibet?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) Were his travels in 3rd density?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) Is it important where he traveled?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) Well you know what the next question is (laughter). What would be his destination? Where did he travel?
A: Siberia.
Q: (B) Does it have anything to do with the spot in Siberia or Russian mountains that has the electromagnetic labs or whatever it was that they were discussing before?
A: Close.
The "Altai" question from Altair is based on this session which means Illion got as far as the western edges of Siberia and no further, before, after, anytime. Unless there is more info that puts Illion further into Siberia, that's it. Final.
And yet, the C's answer as "close" is a bit confusing to me. I don't consider Sleeping Sayan or Lake Baikal to be close to the western edges of Siberia.
Cont...
Q: (A) Well still the question is: in the book he said he knew the Tibetan language.
A: He did.
Q: (A) In Siberia they don't use Tibetan language. (L) He didn't have to be using the Tibetan language. (A) What language is he using in Siberia, probably Russian. (L) I don't know. I've never been there. Well they didn't say he didn't know Russian. (A) That's true. (L) Was the place that he really traveled to a place that was positive that was telling about a place that was negative?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) When you answered 'close' to my question about the electromagnetic thing did you mean close physically or close in concept?
A: Both.
Q: (B) Both are linked then, are you saying there is a link between the two?
A: Vague.
On the question of knowing the Russian language, he doesn't have to be Russian to know it. He apparently knows so many languages, including Tibetan, that knowing the Russian language is just something he either knows or knows enough to get by. He just says he doesn't know it, and of course, he says a lot of things that seem to be whatever is the most convenient at the time.
The answer: "vague"- The question is vague or the link is vague?
Getting back to Sleeping Sayan and Lake Baikal, I went back into the sessions and pulled this section:
Aug. 22, 1998
Q: (A) I want to go back to the previous session when you were trying to point us to a laboratory in Russia and we were unsuccessful in finding the place. First, there was the Russian letter 'b' which didn't fit to anything on the map. My guess was that it could be the initial of a Russian scientist, for instance, Breznev.
A: Clues go step by step.
Q: (A) So I must speak about one letter, that's one step...
A: Prokov.
Q: (L) Well, he did have the idea of following the magnetic meridian of our present locator over the North Pole and this appeared on the other side of the globe in the exact center of the two cities you named. Was that part of the solution?
A: The solution lies in a mountain pass.
Q: (A) A mountain pass?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, there is that magnetic mountain there. Is that the one you are talking about? But that has nothing to do with the two cities?
A: Good start. Remember, there may be more than one locator involved.
If Illion went as far as the western edges and no further, could this "more then one locator" involve Illion's location? Southern Ural Mountain range?
Ultimately, I just need more information pre-1931. It's that simple. In one sense this guy is a chameleon and a fraud. In another, his work highlighting anti-authoritarianism and 'sinning against the soul' is as disguised as a travelogue as he is.
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