This turned me upside down: Making one guy to believe that apocalypse 'happened'

[Ekios]

Here, a very interesting video that started to make me think a lot considering the fact that, the methods employed in here to "prepare" one person would be in fact, a lot easier to set into motion on a global scale (media control & co). This could be an interesting "way" to show what could be currently happening right now on earth. This is for me at the same time very interesting but very disturbing too. I'm having a weird stomach feeling, the one which comes when you are wondering if you are played or not by someone/something.

So, I'm not sure that this is the right section to share it, the reason I post this right now is to have your impressions about the method that has been used here, and how you guys feels about it.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AijnU2-4p-w

Published on Oct 26, 2012

The Master, Derren Brown is back in 2012 - He uses hypnosis on a lad as he unleashes the "Apocalypse" - Derren's most audacious plan yet - to convince one person that the planet has been devastated by a catastrophic meteorite strike, as a lethal infected now roaming the land and he is one of a mere handful of survivors.

Our 'survivor' is someone who takes life for granted, and has yet to truly value what he has. The adventure that awaits him is meticulously crafted to give him the ultimate wake-up call, and teach him valuable life-lessons.

Part 2 on YouTube :

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=camtltmDOiQ

 

[Windmill knight]

My housemates and I watched it the other day. I thought it was fascinating for many reasons: how the human mind works (mechanically), how easy it is to manipulate another person if you know how to (how much this guy Derren Brown got away with), how he did it step by step, how the guy reacted throughout the whole thing, and last but not least, the chosen scenario!! (I wouldn't want to go into much detail just yet so as not to spoil it for people who may want to watch it.)

There is something unsettling about the idea of doing this to another person - but at the same time watching it is so revealing and interesting!

 

[Rich]

Yes, it's an interesting one to watch on many levels.

 

[Bo]

Just watched this as well, very interesting to see and observe. Also very interesting to see how the human behaviour suddenly changes drastically when it is confronted with having lost everything they are so comfortable with, suddenly they are forced to see things from a different perspective.

There is something unsettling about the idea of doing this to another person - but at the same time watching it is so revealing and interesting!

I agree. Maybe if more people watch it we can discuss it. Don't want to spoil it now either.

 

[Nicholas]

As one commenter noted there was some subtle references to "The Wizard of Oz."

Sure confirms the necessity of having shocks to wake up the mechanical machine.

 

[Ekios]

Do you guys wants me to add a "spoiler alert" at the end of my post so people knows that we are discussing the details of the video and won't get spoiled then ? :)

 

[Psalehesost]

Do you guys wants me to add a "spoiler alert" at the end of my post so people knows that we are discussing the details of the video and won't get spoiled then ? :)

Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as spoilers - so no need to bother:
http://www.sott.net/article/233341-Spoiler-alert-Stories-are-not-spoiled-by-spoilers

 

[Iron]

Do you guys wants me to add a "spoiler alert" at the end of my post so people knows that we are discussing the details of the video and won't get spoiled then ? :)

Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as spoilers - so no need to bother:
http://www.sott.net/article/233341-Spoiler-alert-Stories-are-not-spoiled-by-spoilers

Not to derail this thread, but I dont think its that simple. Sure, for some people the same story can be enjoyed over and over again, but for other people they clearly seem to enjoy less if they know the outcome.

 

[dugdeep]

Do you guys wants me to add a "spoiler alert" at the end of my post so people knows that we are discussing the details of the video and won't get spoiled then ? :)

Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as spoilers - so no need to bother:
http://www.sott.net/article/233341-Spoiler-alert-Stories-are-not-spoiled-by-spoilers

Not to derail this thread, but I dont think its that simple. Sure, for some people the same story can be enjoyed over and over again, but for other people they clearly seem to enjoy less if they know the outcome.

Yes, I agree with Iron. I know that I enjoy a movie or a book much less if I already know how it ends. Perhaps this is more of an individual preference. It's also not clear from this study whether this applies to mediums other than books.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Thanks for the link Ekios!

Video is a bit long but I'll watch it as soon as I have a chance. I've seen a lot of Derren Brown's tricks and have always been facinated by his ability to understand the dynamics of the mind and to "read" people as if they are open books. I have often wondered about how much he really knows though (hyperdimensional reality for instance and/or link between matter and consciousness).

Anyhow, no matter what the anwser is, I still find him and his tricks to be very impressive. "The Heist" for instance was really amazing. Directly and obviously seeing how programming can make people react and/or think as if they have absolutely no control over themselves is quite shocking to say the least.

Peace.

 

[Psalehesost]

Do you guys wants me to add a "spoiler alert" at the end of my post so people knows that we are discussing the details of the video and won't get spoiled then ? :)

Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as spoilers - so no need to bother:
http://www.sott.net/article/233341-Spoiler-alert-Stories-are-not-spoiled-by-spoilers

Not to derail this thread, but I dont think its that simple. Sure, for some people the same story can be enjoyed over and over again, but for other people they clearly seem to enjoy less if they know the outcome.

Yes, I agree with Iron. I know that I enjoy a movie or a book much less if I already know how it ends. Perhaps this is more of an individual preference. It's also not clear from this study whether this applies to mediums other than books.

Maybe. Given what is known about the adaptive unconscious, I know I wouldn't trust my own judgment about such a thing - it could simply be a baseless belief picked up as a result of its cultural spread. The only way to know if spoilers actually do spoil things for us would be if an independent observer compared our reactions to stories with and without spoilers, and then presented us with the results.

My own experience has been that re-experiencing a story (re-watching a movie, re-reading a book) generally doesn't have the impact of the first experience. But experiencing the story is also quite different from simply reading a description of it; and some of the stories I have enjoyed the most have been preceded by "spoilers". Still, really, I can't know the impact of "spoilers" on myself, myself.

 

[anart]

Maybe. Given what is known about the adaptive unconscious, I know I wouldn't trust my own judgment about such a thing - it could simply be a baseless belief picked up as a result of its cultural spread. The only way to know if spoilers actually do spoil things for us would be if an independent observer compared our reactions to stories with and without spoilers, and then presented us with the results.

My own experience has been that re-experiencing a story (re-watching a movie, re-reading a book) generally doesn't have the impact of the first experience. But experiencing the story is also quite different from simply reading a description of it; and some of the stories I have enjoyed the most have been preceded by "spoilers". Still, really, I can't know the impact of "spoilers" on myself, myself.

Psalehesost, why did you feel the need to take this thread so far off topic? Your posts have been nothing but noise in this thread, so I'm wondering why.

 

[Psalehesost]

Psalehesost, why did you feel the need to take this thread so far off topic? Your posts have been nothing but noise in this thread, so I'm wondering why.

For the first post, without sufficiently considering context, I thought I was making a valid point in response - but in hindsight, the thinking behind the post was in no way clear.

One thing is now clear: My mind is "off" - foggy - and I'll need to figure out what's wrong and how to deal with it. Until then, I'll be more careful in - and if - posting any further on the forum.

For the second post, the discussion which had followed had got me thinking - though only enough to elaborate what was posted, not enough to realize it didn't fit here in the first place.

Sorry for the noise, and I'll make sure it ends here.

 

[Nook]

Thank you Ekios for posting this for I have never even heard of Derren Brown.

(Spoiler...alert...?)
I found it more fascinating than disturbing but it is both nevertheless. I was disappointed with the 'targeted person', Steve's reactions at times and how oblivious he was to the clues that this whole series of events were fake. Also how selfish he really was. He always thought of himself first, disregarding the 'little' girl, never meaningfully comforting her, - only vaguely when he was prompted to do so - didn't really set out to help her find her mother, when he thought he had to make the video for his family, didn't even calm the little girl down first and finally, he walked off with her towards Wales where he had to go to find his family. Finding the girl's mother first and getting her there never even entered his mind.

Just a typical youth in his 20's, even this attempted wake-up call will probably not have achieved all it set out to do in the long run. For a short time, yes, probably. But then he'll almost be back to his formal days. If he's intelligent enough, he won't. But since his favorite leisure-time activity was watching TV probably all his life, I don't have much hope for him.

Maybe he will feel obligated not to go back to his old ways - or anywhere near that magnitude of time-wasting - because his story was televised. That, if nothing else, should motivate him to make something of his life, appreciate what he has and the people that love him.

 

[Ekios]

Thank you Ekios for posting this for I have never even heard of Derren Brown.

(Spoiler...alert...?)
I found it more fascinating than disturbing but it is both nevertheless. I was disappointed with the 'targeted person', Steve's reactions at times and how oblivious he was to the clues that this whole series of events were fake. Also how selfish he really was. He always thought of himself first, disregarding the 'little' girl, never meaningfully comforting her, - only vaguely when he was prompted to do so - didn't really set out to help her find her mother, when he thought he had to make the video for his family, didn't even calm the little girl down first and finally, he walked off with her towards Wales where he had to go to find his family. Finding the girl's mother first and getting her there never even entered his mind.

Just a typical youth in his 20's, even this attempted wake-up call will probably not have achieved all it set out to do in the long run. For a short time, yes, probably. But then he'll almost be back to his formal days. If he's intelligent enough, he won't. But since his favorite leisure-time activity was watching TV probably all his life, I don't have much hope for him.

Maybe he will feel obligated not to go back to his old ways - or anywhere near that magnitude of time-wasting - because his story was televised. That, if nothing else, should motivate him to make something of his life, appreciate what he has and the people that love him.

I strongly agree on the fact that the "subject" was really typical of what one can found in our Western streets these days. The thing that impressed me the most is about the "methods of control" and, again, the fact that I feel that on a large/global scale this experiment would be far more EASY to reproduce since controlling the news, the informations, the "knowledge" is really easy when everybody is on-board, willingly/consciously or not.

I have read a lot of times that if someone "don't want to be hypnotized" then that someone can't be hypnotized, and if my memory serves me well, even Laura seems to not be able to be so since she has some hard times to let go and keeps analyzing the technique of the person trying to hypnotize her. (heard that on one of her video on youtube I think) Now I wonder : If you don't know that you are going to get hypnotized, would you be still able to fight it ? If the "seduction/suggestion" cames slowly, step by step, would one even realize that he is getting "hacked" ?