This turned me upside down: Making one guy to believe that apocalypse 'happened'

[clerck de bonk]

I have read a lot of times that if someone "don't want to be hypnotized" then that someone can't be hypnotized, and if my memory serves me well, even Laura seems to not be able to be so since she has some hard times to let go and keeps analyzing the technique of the person trying to hypnotize her. (heard that on one of her video on youtube I think) Now I wonder : If you don't know that you are going to get hypnotized, would you be still able to fight it ? If the "seduction/suggestion" cames slowly, step by step, would one even realize that he is getting "hacked" ?

This is where "knowledge protects" comes in.

 

[Nook]

I have read a lot of times that if someone "don't want to be hypnotized" then that someone can't be hypnotized, and if my memory serves me well, even Laura seems to not be able to be so since she has some hard times to let go and keeps analyzing the technique of the person trying to hypnotize her. (heard that on one of her video on youtube I think) Now I wonder : If you don't know that you are going to get hypnotized, would you be still able to fight it ? If the "seduction/suggestion" cames slowly, step by step, would one even realize that he is getting "hacked" ?

This is where "knowledge protects" comes in.

Exactly. Remember what Morpheus said to Neo, even if you don't know much you feel something's not right but this guy was clueless.

 

[Ekios]

This is where "knowledge protects" comes in.

Yes, that's what crossed my mind a hundred of times during that documentary.

Exactly. Remember what Morpheus said to Neo, even if you don't know much you feel something's not right but this guy was clueless.

Indeed. The question i'm asking myself is "how clueless are we still today ?"

Ayayayayaye, this is a big bit to chew ...

 

[clerck de bonk]

This is where "knowledge protects" comes in.

Yes, that's what crossed my mind a hundred of times during that documentary.

Exactly. Remember what Morpheus said to Neo, even if you don't know much you feel something's not right but this guy was clueless.

Indeed. The question i'm asking myself is "how clueless are we still today ?"

Ayayayayaye, this is a big bit to chew ...

Nibble at first ;)

 

[Ekios]

This is where "knowledge protects" comes in.

Yes, that's what crossed my mind a hundred of times during that documentary.

Exactly. Remember what Morpheus said to Neo, even if you don't know much you feel something's not right but this guy was clueless.

Indeed. The question i'm asking myself is "how clueless are we still today ?"

Ayayayayaye, this is a big bit to chew ...

Nibble at first ;)

You just made me laugh behind my desk, thank you ! ;D

 

[Alada]

The thing that impressed me the most is about the "methods of control" and, again, the fact that I feel that on a large/global scale this experiment would be far more EASY to reproduce since controlling the news, the informations, the "knowledge" is really easy when everybody is on-board, willingly/consciously or not.

Yep, just think 9/11.

Now I wonder : If you don't know that you are going to get hypnotized, would you be still able to fight it ? If the "seduction/suggestion" cames slowly, step by step, would one even realize that he is getting "hacked" ?

But we have already been hypnotized slowly, bit by bit – by life itself. All that we identify with, the things we desire, the things we fear, the programs we run in response. I think it adds up to pretty much the same thing, sleep, a state of hypnosis, the ‘terror of the situation’.

 

[Ekios]

The thing that impressed me the most is about the "methods of control" and, again, the fact that I feel that on a large/global scale this experiment would be far more EASY to reproduce since controlling the news, the informations, the "knowledge" is really easy when everybody is on-board, willingly/consciously or not.

Yep, just think 9/11.

Now I wonder : If you don't know that you are going to get hypnotized, would you be still able to fight it ? If the "seduction/suggestion" cames slowly, step by step, would one even realize that he is getting "hacked" ?

But we have already been hypnotized slowly, bit by bit – by life itself. All that we identify with, the things we desire, the things we fear, the programs we run in response. I think it adds up to pretty much the same thing, sleep, a state of hypnosis, the ‘terror of the situation’.

In fact I think that my emotional reaction has been triggered by the fact that I, for the very first time, saw with my own eyes how it "works" all around us. They just showed us how the trick works, how the manipulation is set.

I feel like Gurdjieff's Magician sheep who realized all of a sudden that he is, indeed, a sheep...

 

[Ekios]

Changed my avatar for the occasion

 

[no-mans-land]

Well, the first thing that came to my mind was "that's f**ing brilliant!". How Derren Brown slowly sneaked in and established control of everything is just impressive and in the same time shocking and disturbing.

What was a little bit implausible was the explosions at the beginning to mimic a meteor impact. OK, if the guy was already set up to belief that a meteor strike is imminent, a selective perception of the situation and confusion may explain why he oversaw the misbehavior of the "meteors". I am not sure if the difference would appear to myself if i would be in the same situation, but this was the first big clue that could make him aware that something different was behind the curtain.

Another thing is, as others already mentioned, how long this shock will last? We all know that sleep comes in rather quickly again. I am not even sure if he really grasped what was happening. The impression i had was the he constantly looked overcharged, somewhat disconnected from reality. I think, 2 days are way to less to let such a situation really sink in and cause major changes within the person. He constantly lived a shock and then, before real changes took place, he was released.

I am pretty sure, if he'd got the chance to let the true horror of such situation dawn on him, his true nature would be revealed, not just a person who act out of a shock.

But the theme also was very interesting. Why a meteor shower combined with a zombie apocalypse? Derren Brown sure have a good sense of humor, but how would Steve react, if this happens for real, now that he gone through a similar shock? Will he even belief it? I mean, if real comet fragments are going to hit the ground and explode in the atmosphere, a few fiery gasoline blasts cant keep up with such a kind of cosmic showdance.

All in all, a very revealing experiment on so many levels that show how easy people can be manipulated to belief everything. And if a simple man with a few cameras is capable of such a monstrous manipulation, how much more powerful other beings can be? True horror, even without a zombie apocalypse.

 

[ajseph 21]

Re: This turned me upside down: Making one guy to believe that apocalypse 'happe

I definitely feel where you're coming from no-man's-island. The control of information and the planting of seeds is going on now in this world. Knowlege does indeed protect and this showed me the importance of having a network to help verify what's really going on! The planting of seeds also reminded me of seperating wheat from chaff on a personal level because we've been programmed to act in certain ways to situatins ( 2012 9-11 etc). Burning the chaff of our minds (Sacred cows and prorams) is essential to an objective view of reality.

 

[Soluna]

Another thing is, as others already mentioned, how long this shock will last? We all know that sleep comes in rather quickly again. I am not even sure if he really grasped what was happening. The impression i had was the he constantly looked overcharged, somewhat disconnected from reality. I think, 2 days are way to less to let such a situation really sink in and cause major changes within the person. He constantly lived a shock and then, before real changes took place, he was released.

I am pretty sure, if he'd got the chance to let the true horror of such situation dawn on him, his true nature would be revealed, not just a person who act out of a shock.

I think regardless of how little the explosions might have resembled real meteor impacts - I doubt he would have known what real ones 'would' look like. He also wasn't given a lot of time to analyse the situation, he was in a fast moving vehicle, got a chance to see some people outside who appeared wounded moving away from a burning vehicle - and was promptly 'put to sleep', perhaps for the specific reason that he wouldn't get a chance to inspect the 'reality' of what had (or hadn't) happened. Also you're not told what sort of hypnotic suggestions were given to him at this time (if any were, but it is a possibility). Also the limited time of the 'exercise', and constant 'direction' and confinement would have prevented many cracks appearing in the illusion. Any longer - and I imagine there would be the possibility of planes in the sky and many other possibilities that would possibly cause Steve to have twigged.

I was surprised at Steve's overall 'positive' reaction to the experience - I think many young men today would have punched Derren in the mouth rather than thank him. However I imagine guessing his reaction may have been part of the selection process on Derren's part.

At the end of the day, Derren is a mind-magician and an entertainer. He has come out of this perhaps convincing people that his mind-manipulation and terror-tactics have helped this young man better himself - that 'he' has manipulated the situation to 'help' Steve become a better person, and that he has orchestrated this improvement.

If Steve has truly pulled some insight from his traumatic experience, I hope it truly was positive.


These days - we rely so heavily on virtual communication and instant-information retrieval - televised news and access to the world 'at home' - that any interruption to (for example) electricity would pose a large problem for networking and getting to the bottom of whatever has been fed to us as 'truth'.
If a meteor was to hit the Earth - I wonder if we would be 'fed' warnings through any media, or whether part of the shock and terror will come from unpreparedness, and the sudden cutting off of all news facilities and communication. This definitely brings up thinking about alternative methods of communicating should it be not possible by conventional means - perhaps battery powered radios or something like that.

 

[Renaissance]

I've only watched the first part. So far it looks like a human experiment in traumatic shock therapy made for entertainment (but masked as altruism).

 

[Guardian]

I think it's totally fake. Steven's body language looked completely wrong to me when he thought he was being chased by zombies, and there were none of the normal signs of adrenalin. His voice never changed. and he didn't even break a sweat. If that had been real (to Steven) , all we would have heard was "beep, beep, beep, beep" over and over again as they censored what was coming out of that boy's mouth. Then there's how he just happened to react exactly as Darren wanted him to at every stage of the game.

I could be wrong, but I think it was just another TV show....a really poorly acted one at that.

 

[Cosmos]

I think it's totally fake. Steven's body language looked completely wrong to me when he thought he was being chased by zombies, and there were none of the normal signs of adrenalin. His voice never changed. and he didn't even break a sweat. If that had been real (to Steven) , all we would have heard was "beep, beep, beep, beep" over and over again as they censored what was coming out of that boy's mouth. Then there's how he just happened to react exactly as Darren wanted him to at every stage of the game.

I could be wrong, but I think it was just another TV show....a really poorly acted one at that.

it certainly could be that way IMO

 

[The rabbit]

Very much what V does to Evey. Made me think of the underwear bomber and how a man led him through security.

Choice of how the world ends was interesting.

Maybe to make folks think back to this series when more and more information of NEO´s and dismiss it.

Choosing a stick as a possible weapon on the young girls suggestion ,made me wonder why he had not chosen to have something for his defence when there were zombie like things all over the place earlier.

I think most people would of said something like "bluddy hell its just like a zombie movie" that of course is just my opinion.


Have we been had? Dont know but it is possible , i have been in a small part of the entertainment world where illusions/lies are portrayed as fact to the public.