Trump Elected: The True MAGA Era Begins, Now What?

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This fans the flames of inflation even more.
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I think they may want higher inflation in order to "inflate away" at least a part of the huge US debt. Plus, a significant "side benefit" is that the richer get richer by holding real assets that appreciate in value, while everyone else gets poorer due to higher prices.

Don't know if Trump is aware of this basic dynamic of higher inflation or if it is again a case of receiving bad advice.
 
Boom! Trump shacks the entire world. Whats going on? Will he change course quickly into something else as we've seen before? Here's another theory, the objective is no tariffs world wide. I'm clueless, wait and see.

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Colonel Towner-Watkins retired is a wealth of information for behind the scenes details. She has studied Operation Gladio thoroughly so a good one if your interested in covert operations conducted around the world. Here is an example of how the tariffs are affecting the stock market. I'm not well informed on economics at all so its an interesting learning experience.

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So you are suppose to believe that Nike had ZERO influence in Vietnam to stop tariffing US goods into Vietnam?
Vietnam tariffs US goods into Vietnam. All the US oligarchs shipped all your jobs over to Vietnam to a protected market. Vietnam won't allow your manufactured goods into Vietnam, but your living wage job at McDonald's, which doesn't allow up to buy Nikes, should continue to be made in sweat shops with slave labor by ppl who live in shacks so the oligarchs can continue to get richer.

Brian is retarded. Don't be a Brian.


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A very quick response from Vietnam.



No tariffs on Russia

All nations are forced to the table for negotiations. The 2nd clip came with the 1st which is what I wanted to post.

 
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Here comes Canada.

Canada says they will take all tariffs off if US will do the same. It sounds like Doug Ford wants to sell Canadas mineral to the US. What a turn around from Canada.....wow! Ford was raving mad the last time I heard him speak on the tariffs. Chrystia Freeland wanted to nuke us.

 
I feel like Jefferson's second inaugural has some influence in this administration. In Jefferson's inaugural address he had commended the practice of funding the government solely through tariffs and no taxes: The Avalon Project : Jefferson's Second Inaugural Address

"The remaining revenue on the consumption of foreign articles, is paid cheerfully by those who can afford to add foreign luxuries to domestic comforts, being collected on our seaboards and frontiers only, and incorporated with the transactions of our mercantile citizens, it may be the pleasure and pride of an American to ask, what farmer, what mechanic, what laborer, ever sees a tax-gatherer of the United States? These contributions enable us to support the current expenses of the government, to fulfil contracts with foreign nations, to extinguish the native right of soil within our limits, to extend those limits, and to apply such a surplus to our public debts, as places at a short day their final redemption, and that redemption once effected, the revenue thereby liberated may, by a just repartition among the states, and a corresponding amendment of the constitution, be applied, _in time of peace_, to rivers, canals, roads, arts, manufactures, education, and other great objects within each state."

And
"The suppression of unnecessary offices, of useless establishments and expenses, enabled us to discontinue our internal taxes."

These are different times given the US dollar's hegemony, so if other countries retaliate the US could see inflation. But other countries, as I understand it, are only seeing reciprocal tariffs, and the effect of inflation would be mitigated by internal projects or investment in the US, which should create jobs. Unless the rich conspire to not invest in the US.

Automation was always an issue. If machines replace workers 100%, then we will either regress into a 2D reality or live in a dreadful utopia.
 
iamthatis said:
Following up on machines replacing human labour... with Trump's tariffs, the plan is to re-shore American industry. Will this benefit the population, in particular his MAGA base? Lutnick, in line with Fink above, says robots will replace cheap labour and American workers will have the task of servicing the new robot class.



So along with Rubio's use of AI to search for 'antisemitism' in America, AI used in strike targeting in the genocide in Gaza, and a whole host of manifestations, yet another technocratic ideal is being pushed - robots to replace human workers. It's already been around the world since the industrial revolution, and I wonder if we may see an explosion of robotics onto the scene in the USA. Maybe not soon, but that's the plan. That might mean that eventually a whole lot of workers will not be needed. So what about those workers to be replace by robots? At the extreme end of the scale, here is what one technocrat envisions:



Jeffrey Sachs wrote a piece on the tariffs themselves. His piece has me thinking that this is a big lie being sold to the American public - the whole 'we are the biggest victims in the world, everyone is ripping us off' narrative. It's being used to justify a new level of technocratic advance into the American body politic and the eventual ruin/humane genocide of workers. And all the while telling Americans/MAGA it's good for them.

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It seems as though depopulation is well underway and the attacks on population numbers are coming from multiple angles. It's possible that the effects will be felt for generations. Perhaps there's a bunch of processes in tension that goes like this:

➡️ Group A: Lets depopulate!
➡️ Group B: Damn, the population is decreasing, how do we stop this? There won't be enough plebs to do our menial work or soldiers to stop Russia and China from eating us alive!
➡️ Group C: I know, lets open the borders and bring in heaps of immigrants. They can vote for us!
➡️ Group B: Damn, these immigrants are stirring up trouble and the natives are getting even more restless. We're not going to have soldiers or police officers to control everything and there won't be anyone to cook my dinner and make sure my pillows are fluffed.
➡️ Group A: Calm down you lot, don't forget robotics.
 
4/5 Saturday day of protest, speaking of George Soros (British agent). Warning: this video is from MSNBC if you have the stomach to watch.
I wonder if they hired some of the actors from rent a protest. Last I checked that company was located in LA I believe
 
Automation was always an issue. If machines replace workers 100%, then we will either regress into a 2D reality or live in a dreadful utopia.
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I don't think its possible to replace workers by 100%. Thinking about this in a different way, perhaps humans are underestimated. If people are freed from tedious work they basically only endure for a pay check then they will be free to find other endeavors that are more creative and fulfilling, a more human society. Someone said recently, people would be forced to find their own value which is more of an internal change. The narrative always falls back onto this dystopian view which we've been programed to think no doubt.

We hear the energies are rising, we're in the Wave and the rays from Galactic Center reach the planet more as we move out of the dark ages of the Kali Yuga. We'll need to move out of the box and think differently. For some reason I always look for the bright side, I don't know why. :-)
 
On April 1 the Houthis claimed to have launched 18 missiles and a drone against the "aircraft carrier USS Harry Truman and accompanying warships" in the Red Sea, in response Trump bombed them and childishly mocked them, as is his style adding "They will never sink our ships again!"

The only US ship to be sunk "recently" was the USS America (2005) and that was by the US itself in a war exercise or simulation. The Houthis have never sunk an American ship, unless Trump knows something we don't.

The responses to Trump's X were like missiles that the MAGA apologists could not overcome. Now war is good.​

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hobnob said:
I feel like Jefferson's second inaugural has some influence in this administration. In Jefferson's inaugural address he had commended the practice of funding the government solely through tariffs and no taxes: The Avalon Project : Jefferson's Second Inaugural Address

"The remaining revenue on the consumption of foreign articles, is paid cheerfully by those who can afford to add foreign luxuries to domestic comforts, being collected on our seaboards and frontiers only, and incorporated with the transactions of our mercantile citizens, it may be the pleasure and pride of an American to ask, what farmer, what mechanic, what laborer, ever sees a tax-gatherer of the United States? These contributions enable us to support the current expenses of the government, to fulfil contracts with foreign nations, to extinguish the native right of soil within our limits, to extend those limits, and to apply such a surplus to our public debts, as places at a short day their final redemption, and that redemption once effected, the revenue thereby liberated may, by a just repartition among the states, and a corresponding amendment of the constitution, be applied, _in time of peace_, to rivers, canals, roads, arts, manufactures, education, and other great objects within each state."

And
"The suppression of unnecessary offices, of useless establishments and expenses, enabled us to discontinue our internal taxes."

These are different times given the US dollar's hegemony, so if other countries retaliate the US could see inflation. But other countries, as I understand it, are only seeing reciprocal tariffs, and the effect of inflation would be mitigated by internal projects or investment in the US, which should create jobs. Unless the rich conspire to not invest in the US.

Automation was always an issue. If machines replace workers 100%, then we will either regress into a 2D reality or live in a dreadful utopia.
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I agree with the policy of tariffs in general because they are much more efficient ways of collecting taxes (i.e. less actual damage done to the economy vs say income taxes). But you do not implement them in a half ass way like Trump just did. You phase them in over time so domestic production can meet domestic demand and you actually target them intelligently. Investments in jobs domestically requires time AND knowledge the tariffs are long term (i.e. not an illegal executive order like Trump's that SHOULD NOT survive any court challenge). What he is doing now is literally going to cause unnecessary pain and suffering short term for the American people. And maybe that actually is the goal for the elites that are advising / puppeting him depending on what one believes about the situation.

These in fact were not "reciprocal tariffs." As Jeffrey Sachs mentions in this interview
, administration officials even ADMITTED they were not reciprocal "because that would take too much time" because they would have to do the analysis to see what each country was doing and target them appropriately. So INSTEAD they used the EXISTENCE of a trade deficit as evidence that the country has unfair trade policies towards the US...so you get a poor country whose main export is diamonds, something the US just does not produce, and has a populace that is so poor that it cannot afford US goods be hit with a 50% + tariff when they had no restrictive trade policies.

The other thing to note on tariffs, is that while the US before 1900 could be funded largely from tariffs, when the US went socialist and also put more money in the military industrial complex in the 20th century there is almost no way the general government could be funded solely through tariffs. You could not fund Medicare with tariffs (they cannot even fund it with premiums and payroll taxes as there are HUGE unfunded liabilities associated with it that ultimately have to be paid out of the general fund). You need to have some other mechanisms of taxation like income taxes, a national sales/VAT tax or an enterprise value tax on public corporations and have massive spending cuts in entitlements that no one wants to touch for the nation to become solvent. The Q people who say Trump will get rid of the income tax just by making government efficient through DOGE or levying all these tariffs are not dealing with reality.
 
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WhiteMountain said:
I agree with the policy of tariffs in general because they are much more efficient ways of collecting taxes (i.e. less actual damage done to the economy vs say income taxes). But you do not implement them in a half ass way like Trump just did. You phase them in over time so domestic production can meet domestic demand and you actually target them intelligently. Investments in jobs domestically requires time AND knowledge the tariffs are long term (i.e. not an illegal executive order like Trump's that SHOULD NOT survive any court challenge). What he is doing now is literally going to cause unnecessary pain and suffering short term for the American people. And maybe that actually is the goal for the elites that are advising / puppeting him depending on what one believes about the situation.

These in fact were not "reciprocal tariffs." As Jeffrey Sachs mentions in this interview
, administration officials even ADMITTED they were not reciprocal "because that would take too much time" because they would have to do the analysis to see what each country was doing and target them appropriately. So INSTEAD they used the EXISTENCE of a trade deficit as evidence that the country has unfair trade policies towards the US...so you get a poor country whose main export is diamonds, something the US just does not produce, and has a populace that is so poor that it cannot afford US goods be hit with a 50% + tariff when they had no restrictive trade policies.
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Jeffery Sachs does a good job of explaining why Trumps approach is harmful. The little I've heard him speak I've found of value. The first time was his talk on how Trump dislikes Netanyahu which went viral and was appreciated by many. But a few things he said sound off the mark to me like Trump cutting taxes for the rich again, maybe for production purposes? I know he raised taxes on the wealthy in some cases in his last term and they worked furiously to get those removed. The middle class had a major decrease like I did by half. Also he says Trumps economy will harm the poorest in the US and people on Medicare will have their benefits removed. That's an old Liberal/Democratic ruse repeated endlessly in many forms. Only fraud will be cut in Medicare hopefully.

Also he's been a professor at Harvard and now long term at Columbia U which is known to be an indoctrination center for the radical left. So, some caution with him for me.
 
SummerLite said:
I don't think its possible to replace workers by 100%.
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I appreciate the optimism. My own thinking from your response went to the fact that powerful people, as quoted here, want humans to be replaced by machines. I don't know how to stop them, and I also don't know if there's a more humane outcome as you foresee or as portrayed in one of Musk's preferred sci-fi novels. There may never be 100% unemployment, but automation is unstoppable, and according to the C's it is predicted to end our society somehow. So, my own vague prediction is the way that will happen is our existence in the matrix (or virtual reality) or else living in one of those dystopias authors seem fond of writing about.
WhiteMountain said:
You phase them in over time so domestic production can meet domestic demand and you actually target them intelligently. Investments in jobs domestically requires time
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I fully agree with that much, that this will lead to shortages in the short term for obvious reasons, because we don't produce or have what other countries provide, because we haven't trained or built the necessary facilities. Beyond that the administration may really be seeking to sell government bonds, increase the money supply, spur investment more as much as they can this way. Whether this will be successful I don't know; I still recall that economic policy is said to be very arbitrary, which I'm sure means the Fed could make things worse if that is their decision, and we can ascribe any reason to it. I still go back to a far-left idea, touted by Jill Stein and Proudhon (the true original communist), that we can really fund whatever we want (though it should be material and specific) and the private banks shouldn't be private. Issues with inflation disappear when the money is used. You are free to tell me that this is too unrealistic.

As for imposing tariffs on countries we're not competing against, we probably shouldn't. But if other countries are complaining when the US's tariffs are lower than theirs, then we should.

It is probably unrealistic to fund the government exclusively with tariffs. I don't mean to make that point, as much as the point that the tariff ideology goes back.
 
I appreciate the optimism. My own thinking from your response went to the fact that powerful people, as quoted here, want humans to be replaced by machines. I don't know how to stop them, and I also don't know if there's a more humane outcome as you foresee or as portrayed in one of Musk's preferred sci-fi novels. There may never be 100% unemployment, but automation is unstoppable, and according to the C's it is predicted to end our society somehow. So, my own vague prediction is the way that will happen is our existence in the matrix (or virtual reality) or else living in one of those dystopias authors seem fond of writing about.

The C's have indicated that their plans for imprisoning us in a digital gulag and ruling us in 4D will fail.

Session 22 October 1994​


Q: (L) Well, if we are sources of food and labor for them, why don't they just breed us in pens on their own planet?

A: They do.

Q: (L) Well, since there is so many of us here, why don't they just move in and take over?

A: That is their intention. That has been their intention for quite some time. They have been traveling back and forth through time as you know it, to set things up so that they can absorb a maximum amount of negative energy with the transference from third level to fourth level that this planet is going to experience, in the hopes that they can overtake you on the fourth level and thereby accomplish several things. 1: retaining their race as a viable species; 2: increasing their numbers; 3: increasing their power; 4: expanding their race throughout the realm of fourth density. To do all of this they have been interfering with events for what you would measure on your calendar as approximately 74 thousand years. And they have been doing so in a completely still state of space time traveling backward and forward at will during this work. Interestingly enough, though, all of this will fail.

Q: (L) How can you be so sure it will fail?

A: Because we see it. We are able to see all, not just what we want to see. Their failing is that they see only what they want to see. In other words, it's the highest manifestation possible of that which you would refer to as wishful thinking. And, wishful thinking represented on the fourth level of density becomes reality for that level. You know how you wishfully think? Well, it isn't quite reality for you because you are on the third level, but if you are on the fourth level and you were to perform the same function, it would indeed be your awareness of reality. Therefore they cannot see what we can see since we serve others as opposed to self, and since we are on sixth level, we can see all that is at all points as is, not as we would want it to be.
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Session 29 December 2009​

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/threads/session-29-december-2009.15338/
Q: (L) Yes... Okay, well, the thing that occurs to me as I observe all of this insanity is that this drive for control results only in destruction. The destruction is of everything that one would think the psychopaths would... I mean, if you wA*** have power over something, what good does it do to have any power if everything's dead and there's nobody there to have power over? They're killing everything! They'll end up in total control of everything, but there'll be nothing there but ashes. It's just insane!

A: Psychopathy is characterized by a supreme lack of insight.

Q: (L) So in other words, when Lobaczewski said that it's like the germs in the body that do not realize that they will be burned in the ground with the corpse...

{Quote from Political Ponerology that is referenced above:

“The following questions thus suggest themselves: what happens if the network of understandings among psychopaths achieves power in leadership positions with international exposure? This can happen, especially during the later phases of the phenomenon. Goaded by their character, such people thirst for just that even though it would conflict with their own life interest... They do not understand that a catastrophe {will} ensue. Germs are not aware that they will be burned alive or buried deep in the ground along with the human body whose death they are causing.

“If such and many managerial positions are assumed by individuals deprived of sufficient abilities to feel and understand most other people, and who also betray deficiencies in technical imagination and practical skills—(faculties indispensable for governing economic and political matters) this must result in an exceptionally serious crisis in all areas, both within the country in question and with regard to international relations. Within, the situation shall become unbearable even for those citizens who were able to feather their nest into a relatively comfortable modus vivendi. Outside, other societies start to feel the pathological quality of the phenomenon quite distinctly. Such a state of affairs cannot last long.”}

A: Yes

Q: (L) And the unfortunate thing is that the masses of people do not realize that they are the body that is being killed by these germs, and they're really, REALLY, not waking up.

A: Don't lose hope for your groups. They will do well if they will follow the STO way set out for them.
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Session 25 February 2023​


(L) ALL are containers. 94% are used. And of course we know they feed on pain and suffering.

(Joe) Maybe the other 6% are pathologicals - psychopaths - that aren't really used in that sense.

(L) No, I don't think that's it.

(Joe) But the 94% are used to create a new race for...

(L) Don't try to get too much sequentiality onto that because it was very choppy and it came through in sharp little bits. I can remember at the time, it was very...

(Joe) Ask them to clarify.

(L) What do you want to ask?

(Joe) Can they clarify what they meant? It's a bit late, 29 years later... What's the significance of 94% of the population being 'used'?

A: Energy consumed and parts being used for new race. But we do not mean that physical bodies are used for parts, but rather that genetics of humanity will be modified.

Q: (Ark) Will this be a hybrid: artificial intelligence with human DNA?

A: Humans wish to do that, but that will not be the outcome since the necessary technological infrastructure will collapse.

Q: (L) So, they're trying to go for these super-humans that they're gonna put electrodes in their brains and all this kinda stuff. But even if they do that, that will fail because...

(Joe) They won't have long enough to implement it before collapse.

(L) Yeah, because remember that other session when they said that all of these big moves were being made for people to be totally, completely controlled... and I mean, ya know, when they said that back... I don't remember when that session was. There was the session about the mark of the beast if anybody wants to pull that up. It was about 666 and "visa". I was complaining at the time, saying, "Oh my god!" And they said, "Why? Change will follow." I think that, put together with the idea that the technological infrastructure will collapse, will mean that the change that will follow will be kind of like a reversion to a more primitive state of existence. Is that...?

A: Somewhat, yes. But it will depend on location. Plus, remember that all these plans of 4D STS are much wishful thinking.

Q: (L) So you're saying that the plan to reduce the population by 94% is not necessarily what's going to happen?

A: Yes

Q: (L) But that is their plan.

A: Yes
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So in some places we can guess that there will be mass deaths due to cataclysms, while in other places there might be a digital gulag that persists after some sort of grand collapse. And there also may be locations the Earth where some live relatively normal lives, and just sit back and enjoy the show.
 
iamthatis said:
The C's have indicated that their plans for imprisoning us in a digital gulag and ruling us in 4D will fail. ...

So in some places we can guess that there will be mass deaths due to cataclysms, while in other places there might be a digital gulag that persists after some sort of grand collapse. And there also may be locations the Earth where some live relatively normal lives, and just sit back and enjoy the show.
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Thank you for compiling that, it's good to read.

I was referring to computers ultimately destroying us (just as Atlanteans' technology was their downfall). If computers destroy us because powerful STS forces control them into creating 'digital gulags,' to use your phrase, then the passages are that much more to the point. If "the technological infrastructure will collapse," as the C's said, then maybe the previous prediction about computers is less relevant now, unless 4D technology is to replace ours? Or the destruction was just of humans' (collective) minds, which I'm sure has occurred to a great extent. Edit: Or else this technological infrastructure only refers to human-AI merging.
 
hobnob said:
There may never be 100% unemployment, but automation is unstoppable
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The thing is, automation of menial tasks could be a very positive thing by providing enough for everyone. It could reduce the amount of work people have to do and everyone could still live good or better lives with more free time.

I suspect that "free time" is something that the PTB want to minimize, since it gives people the opportunity to research more and 'wake up'.
 
axj said:
The thing is, automation of menial tasks could be a very positive thing by providing enough for everyone. It could reduce the amount of work people have to do and everyone could still live good or better lives with more free time.

I suspect that "free time" is something that the PTB want to minimize, since it gives people the opportunity to research more and 'wake up'.
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I was about to say, that automation may become a necessity due to not enough people to perform 'menial' jobs. However, cleaning and tiding up after yourself, physically working to organize the 3d elements in the 3d space around or in a dwelling, or even taking care of plants and animals involve actions which when performed routinely and correctly develop skills and forge personality traits.
It is clear that I have a dilemma which would require external help to resolve.
 
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