Trump era: Fascist dawn, or road to liberation?

[bjorb]

[quote author= Niall]I could pretty much understand where Judd was going with this... up until she said 'Hillary'. Right there, a feminist loses me. Clinton is not an 'ideal' - she's a warmongering, people-hating nutcase.

I think it would be more useful if we were to try to understand the perspective of those who feel as Judd does, rather than brush them aside as "mentally retarded freaks."

Me trying to understand her perspective didn't left me with a pretty picture. If I can't describe them as mentally retarded freaks. That really leaves me without options, it's not something I would ever say in person to her. But I would certainly consider her as such.

If I ought to understand her more fully I suppose reading her books would help. But that is never going to happen.

Bjorn I'm sorry to interject, but are you referring to the content of what she said? Or the manner and/or context (anti-Trump march) in which it is delivered?
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Both really. Must I really always use kind words to describe their condition?

I can call them ''troubled souls'' instead. But would that do it any justice?

I don't know those people personally. But they sure have major mental problems. and right now they are inflicting their misery on the rest of us.

And no, I wasn't talking about the full 100% of them. Next time, whenever I talk about Liberals or whatever group. Making that clear obviously prevents confusion.

 

[Charade]

Re: Re: Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

My wife and I watched the inauguration live on RT - one thing we noticed was that Trump's speech was really totally left-wing!

Same here! I thought: "At last, the US has a socialist president!"

Trump's first port of call on Day 1? Langley, Virginia :O

https://www.facebook.com/RTnews/videos/10155142410649411/

Have a listen to the above; he basically had a chat today with the CIA rank-and-file, then left the place to applause.

He's very smart, that Trump.

Yeah. I took that to possibly be symbolic on his part given how the media has been infiltrated.

It looks like he is following the old adage "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer!"

Perhaps President Trump is more like Putin than we think. I consider Putin to be quite smart and difficult to "anticipate".

As this interesting article (not a perfect news source but interesting) tries to estimate his IQ:
Donald Trump is a Genius – But That’s Just His IQ!

I estimate that Mr. Trump has a 156 IQ at the minimum.

I found the article on the psychology of "Self Actualization" very telling.

Thank you for the postings of Trumps CIA conference and to those who posted Sean Spicers press conference. It's been interesting and encouraging to hear what this new administration has to say and gauge what they have in mind for this country. They do come through with strong messages that are intelligent, caring and as having the a plan and the motivation to get them there.

I watched the inauguration and cheered Trump's speech. As I reread it later that night, I was overcome with a sense of the weight he has willingly, and it seems more clear, even has consciously taken upon himself. I can't help but admire that we have such an individual with the intelligence and character necessary to under take the role of POTUS with what appear to be good intentions for his fellow man. I am feeling gratitude towards him and ask for Trump's and Putin's protection and guidance in the coming years. It feels like a window has opened and fresh air of truth is blowing in. I am hopeful at these initial signs but also remaining open to critical interpretation of new developments. I think he has done alot to expose many of the lies and their sources of our "reality" in a very short time to the benefit of us all.

 

[Kawika]

I could pretty much understand where Judd was going with this... up until she said 'Hillary'. Right there, a feminist loses me. Clinton is not an 'ideal' - she's a warmongering, people-hating nutcase.

I think it would be more useful if we were to try to understand the perspective of those who feel as Judd does, rather than brush them aside as "mentally retarded freaks."

I agree, I was just in Northern California and want to relate my experience there that was down right disturbing. I was staying with some good friends of mine that I've known for 30yrs, I would describe them as decent normal people we basically agree on the same things, a more caring just-world.

Normally we can discuss most everything including politics, we might not agree on everything but it's civil. Of course politics came up, I knew they were down on Trump so I was careful with what I said staying neutral. It didn't take much to set them off the edge and they got very angry at me, it caught me off guard and I wasn't expecting such a reaction very out of character for them. It freaked me out so much I almost left.

This same reaction happened with practically everyone I meet on my trip, I wouldn't call these people libtards in the sense of the crazies like we see on the internet, basically caring people. Something very strange is taking place I think it's a type of ponerization. People's critically thinking is gone and they're running purely on fear and emotion.

I think we should be careful just lumping everyone as "mentally retarded freaks."

 

[kenlee]

I think the problem with these kinds of marches is that in the end they null or cancel themselves out to nothing, or even worse then nothing, since they propagate subjectivity leading to 'negative creativity' or violence/destruction (in whatever form it may take).

I could certainly understand the righteous anger, the frustration, the fear of the future and the desire to roar like a lion (or lioness!) much like a kiai yell in the martial arts but, in my view, the problem is that it stops at a feeling level, the feeling itself becomes the reality itself, excluding other source of information input from the greater information field of which feeling is only a part, bringing one further and further away from common sense and impartial reason.

In the case with this march there is 'negative order' which means that this 'ordered' group of marchers is ordered, but ordered in the wrong place. It's out of context, does not fit within the context of the true knowledge of why things are so screwed up for women and men alike including the future of the kids. It's not disorder, it's wrong order or order in the wrong place, out of context with the larger picture due to a lack of willingness to know, reason and understand. These so called 'leaders' of these movements just ride on this wave of soul energy (such a righteous anger), distort it, and redirect it for their on self serving purposes into the negative end of the creative spectrum and the end result is a deflection into nothingness, or worse, into violence (in whatever form it takes).

The problem with 'feeling things only' and believing the feeling to be the reality just because one feels it, and not as a source of information that can tell one things about part of the objective world, has its basis in narcissism. The end result is the movement becomes it's own opposite. In other words the movement believes in itself only as the exclusive reality and lives only in it's own mind and cannot 'see' the actual facts or acknowledge the feelings of others, or think with a hammer on what's going on in the real world and basically just lives in dreams. The real world that's outside of these movements does not exist!

When living in the subjective world the truly important things become unimportant, the unimportant becomes the important, the potential state can be perceived to be an actual state, and what is actual can be perceived/believed to be a potential state, etc . Everything reverses itself and nulls itself out.

 

[SummerLite]

Re: Re: Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

Excuse me for posting this clip again. It is a shorter, cleaner version and Sean Spicer gives the numbers of how many people where at the inauguration and shows pictures. The turn out was huge, the largest in history even for Obama. He calls out the lies put out about the crowd being so small by MSM. In Trumps talk with the CIA, he thought there may have been around 1,000,000,000. The pictures shown, by Spicer, look like that could be correct. 20 blocks of people filled the scene.

Thanks m, thought a saboteur was to blame.

I think Trump was estimating 1,000,000 people. Had it been 1,000,0000,000 (one billion), I think it would have grounded the US. At least it would have been hard to find accomodation or food. ;)

Whoops! It must be The Trump Affect! Ever since I called Michael Moore, Roger Moore I've really tried not to make these mistakes here and kafluey, there it is again. I moved to a apartment building months ago and I'm bombarded with wi-fi, cell phones and satellite dishes now, and I'm concerned about this. Even with the idea I may need to move again soon. So stuff is going on in my brain where I need to concentrate more with certain things including writing here and I wonder about the causes.

Anyway, carry on with all your impressive reflections and information sharing on this topic. Here is my bit of whining and that should take care of it. I deleted the video in this reply.

 

[goyacobol]

[quote author= Niall]I could pretty much understand where Judd was going with this... up until she said 'Hillary'. Right there, a feminist loses me. Clinton is not an 'ideal' - she's a warmongering, people-hating nutcase.

I think it would be more useful if we were to try to understand the perspective of those who feel as Judd does, rather than brush them aside as "mentally retarded freaks."

Me trying to understand her perspective didn't left me with a pretty picture. If I can't describe them as mentally retarded freaks. That really leaves me without options, it's not something I would ever say in person to her. But I would certainly consider her as such.

If I ought to understand her more fully I suppose reading her books would help. But that is never going to happen.

Bjorn I'm sorry to interject, but are you referring to the content of what she said? Or the manner and/or context (anti-Trump march) in which it is delivered?

Both really. Must I really always use kind words to describe their condition?

I can call them ''troubled souls'' instead. But would that do it any justice?

I don't know those people personally. But they sure have major mental problems. and right now they are inflicting their misery on the rest of us.

And no, I wasn't talking about the full 100% of them. Next time, whenever I talk about Liberals or whatever group. Making that clear obviously prevents confusion.
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bjorn,

I don't want to make you feel any worse than you already do. I would just say you have the right to express yourself as best you can. It is just getting caught up in the emotional aspect that seems to be the method used to divide.

And yes, I think the goal of the dark side is " they are inflicting their misery on the rest of us.".

With that being said, in the Judd speech I noticed she had memorized the whole letter. A retard would not take the time to prepare in my estimation. And although the language in the letter was often crude and offensive to many, I think (as Scottie and others have said) it does address some real issues. It speaks of the awareness of the girl who wrote the letter.

The fact that this letter was then used to stir up the emotions of a crowd shows one tactic we are facing and we probably can expect more of it. Sometimes we run out of words to describe what we are seeing. I think we all suffer watching what does look like a mental break down of society but it helps to analyze as accurately as possible without putting more confusing labels on top of the behavior. I have had trouble staying objective and waiting to see how this will all play out as much as anyone. I may not have used the same words that you did but I share your sense of "misery". Hopefully we will have a clearer picture by sharing our collective views.

 

[Seamus]

I found some potentially useful information on the crowd size on the mall at the inauguration yesterday, from CNN of all places:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/

Its an image tool that you can use to pan and zoom. If you pan right you can see that the crowd stretches all the way back to the Washington monument, directly contradicting the MSM narrative. Here's a screenshot:

added: there's lots of discussion about this on Twitter right now. Search for inauguration crowd or go here: https://twitter.com/search?q=inauguration%20crowd&src=tyah

 

[bjorb]

[quote author= Niall]I could pretty much understand where Judd was going with this... up until she said 'Hillary'. Right there, a feminist loses me. Clinton is not an 'ideal' - she's a warmongering, people-hating nutcase.

I think it would be more useful if we were to try to understand the perspective of those who feel as Judd does, rather than brush them aside as "mentally retarded freaks."

Me trying to understand her perspective didn't left me with a pretty picture. If I can't describe them as mentally retarded freaks. That really leaves me without options, it's not something I would ever say in person to her. But I would certainly consider her as such.

If I ought to understand her more fully I suppose reading her books would help. But that is never going to happen.

Bjorn I'm sorry to interject, but are you referring to the content of what she said? Or the manner and/or context (anti-Trump march) in which it is delivered?

Both really. Must I really always use kind words to describe their condition?

I can call them ''troubled souls'' instead. But would that do it any justice?

I don't know those people personally. But they sure have major mental problems. and right now they are inflicting their misery on the rest of us.

And no, I wasn't talking about the full 100% of them. Next time, whenever I talk about Liberals or whatever group. Making that clear obviously prevents confusion.

bjorn,

I don't want to make you feel any worse than you already do. I would just say you have the right to express yourself as best you can. It is just getting caught up in the emotional aspect that seems to be the method used to divide.

And yes, I think the goal of the dark side is " they are inflicting their misery on the rest of us.".

With that being said, in the Judd speech I noticed she had memorized the whole letter. A retard would not take the time to prepare in my estimation. And although the language in the letter was often crude and offensive to many, I think (as Scottie and others have said) it does address some real issues. It speaks of the awareness of the girl who wrote the letter.

The fact that this letter was then used to stir up the emotions of a crowd shows one tactic we are facing and we probably can expect more of it. Sometimes we run out of words to describe what we are seeing. I think we all suffer watching what does look like a mental break down of society but it helps to analyze as accurately as possible without putting more confusing labels on top of the behavior. I have had trouble staying objective and waiting to see how this will all play out as much as anyone. I may not have used the same words that you did but I share your sense of "misery". Hopefully we will have a clearer picture by sharing our collective views.
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Personally, my mental state history isn't robust. Though, I don't care if anyone uses those words I mentioned in a negative way, people could very well describe me in that way in the past. Should I get all sensitive about it? But I suppose it's all about external consideration. I don't want to upset anyone.

She addressed some real issues, and than directed this anger in a misplaced way. That doesn't speak well for her.


I don't feel worse, bad etc. But thanks for taking that into consideration.

 

[Heather]

Re: Re: Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

And the MSM was also ridiculed, which is kind of standard practice these days :

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The Alternative media is getting the upper hand in the information war. OSIT, I mean, what I noticed is that it is overly becoming more difficult for the MSM to even broadcast their fake-news in public appearances without getting ridiculed or confronted by rightfully angry people.

Just a note on Alternative media: I believe there is a thread here devoted to Alex Jones. I don't recall if any consensus was reached, but speaking for myself, I concluded years ago that Jones is a COINTELPRO spinmeister. As is the case with all good COINTEPRO sites, he has some legitimate information to offer; but more important is his divisiveness and endorsement of a survivalist mindset. Also: as per this Prison Planet video, this woman journalist conveys her lack of professionalism and objectivity when she happily conveys her hope that Trump will be in office for the next eight years. I think it important to remember that just being against mainstream media and throwing around the term "fake news" does not substantive journalism make (!)

Actually, Alex Jones' support of Trump is interesting in itself. If Jones is an instrument tied to those in power such an alliance might be something to be skeptical about. "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer," I believe goes the popular expression.

 

[bjorb]

[quote author= Heather]Actually, Alex Jones' support of Trump is interesting in itself. If Jones is an instrument tied to those in power such an alliance might be something to be skeptical about. "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer," I believe goes the popular expression.[/quote]

I think that Jones just saw his chances with Trump of gaining more power, influence. But there is a huge difference between the 2.

Alex Jones = Liberal vs Conservatives. Did Trump ever used the word Liberal when addressing his opponents? I don't believe so. Which is smart move, he doesn't intent to create an Us vs Them paradigm?

Alex Jones on the other hand…

 

[Laura]

Some images of the inauguration crowd that totally contradict the MSM nonsense.

 

[Laura]

And here is the comparison that MSM tried to pass off.

 

[seek10]

I found some potentially useful information on the crowd size on the mall at the inauguration yesterday, from CNN of all places:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/

Its an image tool that you can use to pan and zoom. If you pan right you can see that the crowd stretches all the way back to the Washington monument, direct ly contradicting the MSM narrative. Here's a screenshot:

Thank you seemas for the picture. i never seen picture like this. crystal clear, 360 degree zoomable view. it looks all the area is filled.

 

[Laurelayn]

And what is it with the pink pussy hats?
I do not understand how this can be a statement for furthering womens rights or gaining respect.

 

[Ant22]

Thank you for the photos Laura. I think the ones with Trump in them are the best ones to use as evidence that the MSM is distorting the truth. Or in case someone says photos of the crowd were actually taken on a different occasion, such as the women's protest (I actually heard that from someone).